Black people don't like horror movies

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

I want an explanation, why is kemal the only black person on the forum? kemal is pretty awesome and all, but what gives?

we also don't have any asians or mexicans

[Posher778]

Black people usually die first, so they got sick of cheering for their characters for like... ten minutes.

[urgeok2]

we have at least one asian i know of - and our new chatty l. cougar is a black girl.

but it's true that for the most part - horror appeals to white men between 16 and 24 - or something like that.

this is probably a big reason why horror isn't that well appreciated in Toronto despite how huge it is.

i know for a fact that asians (well, Toronto asians anyway) are very into sci-fi and anime.

and Toronto is 50% (if not more) asian..

when the rue morgue horror convention is on - they have to combine it with sci-fi, anime, gaming and comics.

the horror guests (unless they have sci-fi cross overs) hardly have anyone in their lines.

in some ways it's cool - i get some pretty sweet finds re used DVDs. a giallo boxset sat on the shelves for 3 months before i went into the store according to the guy working there.


my buddy is black - and he loves horror movies but he isnt't very typical...
but he tells me that many blacks in the caribbean are extremely supersticious - so it's possible they are uncomfortable with horror on screen.

(his brothers believe their step mother is a jamaican witch and is currently hexing them)

be interesting to hear why from the folks that know though.

[Disease]

How do you know Kemal's really black?

[Vodstok]

How do you know Kemal's really black?
Because he said so. Why would people lie?

[neverending]

We have two Asians and two African Americans who post regularly- out of about 30 regular posters I'd say that's a pretty signifigant percentage.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

We have two Asians and two African Americans who post regularly- out of about 30 regular posters I'd say that's a pretty signifigant percentage.

who is asian?

[neverending]

If you paid attention you would know.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

If you paid attention you would know.

are you one of them?

[Vodstok]

are you one of them?
Sounds like you are arranging a lynching....

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Sounds like you are arranging a lynching....

LOL!

I was actually just trying to reinforce neverending's belief that I'm oblivious to other people on the forum.

[Vodstok]

You came off like an ultra-xenophobic McCarthy.


"You look asian... You Asian? Black maybe? Jewish? No?


Damn. How about your friend?"

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

You came off like an ultra-xenophobic McCarthy.


"You look asian... You Asian? Black maybe? Jewish? No?


Damn. How about your friend?"

I'm making ethnic soup.

[Vodstok]

I'm making ethnic soup.
Use Jack Daniels in it and you can call it "Lynchburg soup"

[bloody_ribcut]

im the hint of hispanic.

[crabapple]

I represent only fifty percent of an Asian person as I am 50% Asian and 50% English. Plus, black people not liking horror movies? I never heard of such a thing.

[Festered]

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[The Flayed One]

Seattle has a pretty large Asian population. I have a lot of Asian friends. Some of them like horror. Same for my black friends.

I think what it comes down to as far as the forums go is this: all races like horror movies. It just seems that for the most part, white people are the only ones nerdy enough about it to join a forum and spend a bunch of time talking about it every day.

[Vodstok]

Yes, it seems we white folk hold the record for nerdlike behavior. YAY us!

Although, if any 1 country gets the gold star for being a bunch of dorks (from an outside perspective, that is), its the japanese. Followed closely by the South Koreans (video game obsession in both countries is borderline psychotic, with Japan winning because of its anime and big boob obsession)

[Posher778]

I'm Norwegian. You know... That country, up there... somewhere?

[Papillon Noir]

I think what it comes down to as far as the forums go is this: all races like horror movies. It just seems that for the most part, white people are the only ones nerdy enough about it to join a forum and spend a bunch of time talking about it every day.

I think you hit the nail on the head.

[Posher778]

Black people around here are too busy begging for money.

[Leprucky Cougar]

I want an explanation, why is kemal the only black person on the forum? kemal is pretty awesome and all, but what gives?

we also don't have any asians or mexicans

*Ahem*

I'm black too. And also a female too, if you're wondering. [Thanks urge for reminding folks.]

I know I'm short and below sea-level and everything but geez! :)

[Despare]

Plus, black people not liking horror movies? I never heard of such a thing.

I know, where the hell do you think the yelling at the screen stereotype came from? Old grindhouse theaters showed horror all the time and were filled with black people.

[Leprucky Cougar]

I think you hit the nail on the head.

Same here. And also considering perhaps there's a certain kind they may like wheras most White people (I assume, not exactly sure) tend to love horror from a holistic point of view and just have favorite kinds. But I agree, wouldn't say they don't like horror (if anything I'd assume we'd be humored by it--when thinking about all the "horrifying" physical and psychological torment endured through slavery and the Jim Crow Laws and discrimination in the 50s and 60s in the U.S, to the covert forms today. But that's another debate.) But often to some Blacks (between the ages of 15-40 maybe) look at satires or remakes of such things as cruel irony that's humorous at the same time.

[Leprucky Cougar]

I know, where the hell do you think the yelling at the screen stereotype came from? Old grindhouse theaters showed horror all the time and were filled with black people.

Yes, the screaming in the theatre, the talking about the movie during the movie, texting or on the cell during a movie, the walking through the aisle while the screen's playing-- so whomever's trying to make a bootleg dvd has images of people walking through because we were too lazy to arrive a half hour early if we wanted to buy stuff at the concession stands.

Now in terms of the making out during the movie? I think that started with White people and it kinda moved to all races. I know one of my friends who's worked in a movie theater for about two years now, got in good terms with the manager so he allows him into a secret back passage of the theater if he wants to have sex. I know.....probably not to your liking.

Sadly though.....VERY TRUE Stereotypes...:D Oh, my people ! :)

[Despare]

Yes, the screaming in the theatre, the talking about the movie during the movie, texting or on the cell during a movie

I'm talking more about the yelling at the characters and getting into the movie. "Don't go in there, he's in there! Ohhhhhh!!!"

[Leprucky Cougar]

I'm talking more about the yelling at the characters and getting into the movie. "Don't go in there, he's in there! Ohhhhhh!!!"

Yeah I know...and this is the other stuff we do.

[Despare]

Yeah I know...and this is the other stuff we do.

Actually it's the teenage girls that have been pissing me off lately.

You're at a movie, turn the cell phone off and quit talking or even texting you dumb hookers! I'm trying to watch a movie!

[Leprucky Cougar]

Actually it's the teenage girls that have been pissing me off lately.

You're at a movie, turn the cell phone off and quit talking or even texting you dumb hookers! I'm trying to watch a movie!

Again....the other stuff we do....of course you'll find the younger ones doing that. The whole phone chat and texting business--there is no racial or gender divide--that's just young people period. But 9 times out of 10, young blacks are doing it maybe a bit more than others---unless the other races were or were raised or around people from urban public areas. Because then sometimes it's a regional thing.

[Despare]

Again....the other stuff we do....of course you'll find the younger ones doing that. The whole phone chat and texting business--there is no racial or gender divide--that's just young people period. But 9 times out of 10, young blacks are doing it maybe a bit more than others---unless the other races were or were raised or around people from urban public areas. Because then sometimes it's a regional thing.

Out here by Detroit and Ann Arbor EVERYBODY does it, no racial difference at all.

[Leprucky Cougar]

Out here by Detroit and Ann Arbor EVERYBODY does it, no racial difference at all.

Exactly what I said....age difference and often regional difference with the phone situation.

[Despare]

Exactly what I said....age difference and often regional difference with the phone situation.

Ummm yeah, and I was agreeing. I guess black people just need to get the last word. ;)

[Leprucky Cougar]

Ummm yeah, and I was agreeing. I guess black people just need to get the last word. ;)

*hmph* Very funny.

And having the last say isn't a black thing....it's a woman thing. Have you ever heard that a woman wins every argument? Whenever a man gets the last say--he doesn't know that all he is doing is starting a new argument. ;)

I know we weren't arguing, I was just saying. :p

[crabapple]

Yeah Desp, you should know the womens win every time :eek: :rolleyes:

[Leprucky Cougar]

Yeah Desp, you should know the womens win every time :eek: :rolleyes:

See? This one was taught well. ;)

[crabapple]

Yeah. Sheesh! I remember what happened the LAST time with that crazy woman. Always agree, you'll have a better day/week/fortnight!

[Leprucky Cougar]

Yeah. Sheesh! I remember what happened the LAST time with that crazy woman. Always agree, you'll have a better day/week/fortnight!


*Ahem*

Crazy? Think you might want to clarify?

[Despare]

*hmph* Very funny.

And having the last say isn't a black thing....it's a woman thing. Have you ever heard that a woman wins every argument? Whenever a man gets the last say--he doesn't know that all he is doing is starting a new argument. ;)

I know we weren't arguing, I was just saying. :p

I don't know... it's an awfully slow day at work today. I may just be up to testing that theory. ;)


*Ahem*

Crazy? Think you might want to clarify?


Women are all crazy. In fact, my buddy asked a few of us married guys if we agreed that all women were nuts but just to different degrees. He wondered if there were some who were at that 18th degree and kind of nutty while others were at some 78th degree of batshit crazy hell. That was his theory anyway. My cousin informed him that his theory was wrong and in fact, while some seem crazier than others they were all super nuts, some just hide it better until they get married. ;)

[Leprucky Cougar]

I don't know... it's an awfully slow day at work today. I may just be up to testing that theory. ;)





Women are all crazy. In fact, my buddy asked a few of us married guys if we agreed that all women were nuts but just to different degrees. He wondered if there were some who were at that 18th degree and kind of nutty while others were at some 78th degree of batshit crazy hell. That was his theory anyway. My cousin informed him that his theory was wrong and in fact, while some seem crazier than others they were all super nuts, some just hide it better until they get married. ;)

So since I'm not married, according to this theory I'm "hiding my craziness" until that happens? :rolleyes:

And to the theories: :mad: :rolleyes:

[Despare]

So since I'm not married, according to this theory I'm "hiding my craziness" until that happens? :rolleyes:

And to the theories: :mad: :rolleyes:

Relax, just pull up your big girl pants and take the joke. :)

[Elvis_Christ]

What film demographic genre-wise do black people fit into?

[Leprucky Cougar]

Relax, just pull up your big girl pants and take the joke. :)

I did take it...this is my way of going on with it.

[crabapple]

*Ahem*

Crazy? Think you might want to clarify?

I didn't mean you, of course; it was the other one, I disagreed with her and wham! she went all cold and weird, said strange things and displayed a cryptic personality. Lasted about a week like that, was real creepy. Haven't disagreed since! Not worth it. Nope, not worth it.

[Psycom5k]

What film demographic genre-wise do black people fit into?

Any crappy movie with a shitty rapper in it. That or something to do with cars. But you can believe if the soundtrack consists of mainly rap, or the movie has anything to do with dancing, thats the kind of film. Though most people these days seem to like those movies better than any actual good movie. At least in my area. Like people around my area all hated Pan's Labyrinth, but loved Step-Up 2: The Street. WHAT THE FUCK?!


By the way if that statement sounded racist, i'm not racist, thats just how I sees it, and I calls em as i sees em.

[Leprucky Cougar]

What film demographic genre-wise do black people fit into?

Well it gets complicated for that type of question because some blacks get offended when asked that question cuz they don't want to be within a "Stereotype" but fail to realize lots of groups are and either way you look at, stereotypes start from true patterns we know about people then turn over time into generalizations about people.


Anyway I would say

1. Comedy (Not so much romance comedy or comedy drama--more like actual shows like Kings of Commedy, Queens of Commedy, Chris Rock Live, BET's One Mic Stand, etc)

2. Movie Comedy (Scary Movie, Soul Plane, etc the typical "comedic/ghetto" stereotype of black stuff

3. Some Profound drama that's historic or relevant to the "comtemporary black community" (Malcolm X (Denzel Washington, SPike Lee, etc), Roots, Selma, Lord Selma, Gangster movies(ATL, Boys in DA Hood, Meance II Society, Poetic Justice, 8 MILE, etc

4. Some though are into to the mindblowing Oscar deserving and winnning things such as Titanic, Monster's Ball, etc

5. ANY TYLER PERRY MOVIE OR STAGE PLAY WHATSOEVER. Just about every black person has seen, heard about, or joked around about Tyler Perry's infamous character : Madea.

6. Urban stuff: dance movies (Step up, Save the LAst Dance, You Got served, Honey, etc

8. Action: Bad Boys, Never 2 Big, etc

Um, I think that gives it justice. Although I might be excluding a few things, I do have a headache by the way.

[Leprucky Cougar]

Any crappy movie with a shitty rapper in it. That or something to do with cars. But you can believe if the soundtrack consists of mainly rap, or the movie has anything to do with dancing, thats the kind of film. Like people around my area all hated Pan's Labyrinth, but loved Step-Up 2: The Street. WHAT THE FUCK?!




Hold up. Don't get me wrong. I do view my self as a young aspiring, female black intellecual who tries her hardest to be as versatile as she can be (hence me joining hdc), but I do love the step up series and those "urban dance movies"--and no not because of the soundtrack--because of the plot ; the soundtrack and the fact that that was filmed in my hometown both times and parts of my high school was just a bonus.

And no biggie on the no attempt at being racist. It's all good. I see your point, but disagree with the delivery.

And by the way, it would be nice if you didn't refer to them as "crappy" or "shitty" rappers--that's a little more than just "dissing." Perhaps something like you've heard other artists with more intriguing and well developed lyrical ability rather than rappers are shitty. Because if anyone were to say that about one of your fav movies instead of explaining what you mean by that you might not be pissed but a little offended.

For future reference by the way. :)

[fortunato]

I'm Norwegian. You know... That country, up there... somewhere?

me too, posher.
my family immigrated over here in the 30s. my dad's side.
the rest of me is irish.

[Leprucky Cougar]

I didn't mean you, of course; it was the other one, I disagreed with her and wham! she went all cold and weird, said strange things and displayed a cryptic personality. Lasted about a week like that, was real creepy. Haven't disagreed since! Not worth it. Nope, not worth it.

I know...thought you were joking...tried to go along with it.

Maybe she had spilt personality disorder or bipolar

Moral of the story: We always win

[Posher778]

me too, posher.
my family immigrated over here in the 30s. my dad's side.
the rest of me is irish.

Nice. I've always wanted to go there.


@Leprucky- All rappers are shitty. All. Of. Them.

[Despare]

And by the way, it would be nice if you didn't refer to them as "crappy" or "shitty" rappers--that's a little more than just "dissing." Perhaps something like you've heard other artists with more intriguing and well developed lyrical ability rather than rappers are shitty. Because if anyone were to say that about one of your fav movies instead of explaining what you mean by that you might not be pissed but a little offended.

For future reference by the way. :)

You have to be honest, most of them ARE crappy rappers. You don't see Rakim, MC Lyte, KRS One, or the like in many of those flicks.


Although I love DMX, in his movies and music.

[Leprucky Cougar]

Nice. I've always wanted to go there.


@Leprucky- All rappers are shitty. All. Of. Them.

No they're not. Not all of them

2Pac, Notorius Big, Nas, Talib Kweli, Jay Z, Mos Def, Eminem, Common, Run DMc, Whodini, Grandmaster Flash, Jadakiss, etc and countless others. Anything from 1998 going forward is mostly garbage besides anything made by some of these people. Not all of their tracks (besides a few) are mindblowing, but from a wholistic standpoint, they are.

[Elvis_Christ]

By the way if that statement sounded racist, i'm not racist, thats just how I sees it, and I calls em as i sees em.

Well it must be hard to see things clearly thru your stupid hat

http://www.hollywoodinterrupted.com/images/mlk-kkk.jpg

[Leprucky Cougar]

You have to be honest, most of them ARE crappy rappers. You don't see Rakim, MC Lyte, KRS One, or the like in many of those flicks.

Well I thought we were talking about the ones in general...not the ones in movies,,,and some of you guys may be suprised...but a few of them are well educated. This new rapper (I don't like him but anyway) named plies graduated from FSU and Paul Wall University of Houston with degrees in business and industrial engineering.

[Elvis_Christ]

Ice Cube and Ice T are solid actors and great "rappers".

[Posher778]

No they're not. Not all of them

2Pac, Notorius Big, Nas, Talib Kweli, Jay Z, Mos Def, Eminem, Common, Run DMc, Whodini, Grandmaster Flash, Jadakiss, etc and countless others. Anything from 1998 going forward is mostly garbage besides anything made by some of these people. Not all of their tracks (besides a few) are mindblowing, but from a wholistic standpoint, they are.

Disagree. I think rap is shit.

[Leprucky Cougar]

Disagree. I think rap is shit.

What is shit? That's it? You offer no premise? No foundation for a logical argument? Just "shit" ? Ok, that's fine. I'll acknowledge your opinion.

However I believe the title of this thread was addressing demographic assertions behind Black people and horror. And in no disrespect to you I think we should go back to that--not positive if the person whom created the thread would appreciate the back and forth tangents.

[ChronoGrl]

I have a theory about all of the "Scary Movie" movies (and even the movies that they have influenced: "Date Movie," "Epic Movie," "Meet the Spartans," etc.):

They're made by black people (the Wayans Brothers) for black people, and not only that, but they make the assumption that the audience is ridiculously stupid. Talk about negative black stereotypes (from black people shouting insipid things at a movie screen in Scary movie to black people "pimping their rides" in the form of remaking Alyson Hannigan in Date movie) perpetuated and expressed in those movies.

I take offense at those movies (their assumption that the audience is a bunch of slack-jawed morons) and I'm not even black.

...

In terms of intellectual African American cinema, I think that Spike Lee is absolutely brilliant (Do The Right Thing being one of my all-time favorite films and what I see as a poignant study of racial relations). Wonder what a Spike Lee horror movie would be like.

[Despare]

No they're not. Not all of them

2Pac, Notorius Big, Nas, Talib Kweli, Jay Z, Mos Def, Eminem, Common, Run DMc, Whodini, Grandmaster Flash, Jadakiss, etc and countless others. Anything from 1998 going forward is mostly garbage besides anything made by some of these people. Not all of their tracks (besides a few) are mindblowing, but from a wholistic standpoint, they are.

Digital Underground, De La Soul, NAS, Wu Tang Clan, Bone Thugs, etc... there's plenty of good rap and hip hop out there but you don't usually see it in the mainstream. Mainstream rap sucks for the most part but to dismiss the genre completely is a bit harsh. Oops, you mentioned Nas...

[ChronoGrl]

No they're not. Not all of them

2Pac, Notorius Big, Nas, Talib Kweli, Jay Z, Mos Def, Eminem, Common, Run DMc, Whodini, Grandmaster Flash, Jadakiss, etc and countless others. Anything from 1998 going forward is mostly garbage besides anything made by some of these people. Not all of their tracks (besides a few) are mindblowing, but from a wholistic standpoint, they are.

Have go agree with LC there. I'd add Kanye West into that bunch, too. I think that 2Pac and Eminem are absolute poets. Watching quality freestyle rapping gives me goosebumps.

[Despare]

Digital Underground, De La Soul, NAS, Wu Tang Clan, Bone Thugs, etc... there's plenty of good rap and hip hop out there but you don't usually see it in the mainstream. Mainstream rap sucks for the most part but to dismiss the genre completely is a bit harsh. Oops, you mentioned Nas...

Oh, and I'm a HUGE KRS-One fan, his music has great beats, lyrics, and can be very inspiring.

[Festered]

Wonder what a Spike Lee horror movie would be like.

Like Summer of Sam, only worse. Lee is one of the most over-rated AA directors around, and his monumental ego is on display constantly. If it wasn't for overly enthusiastic white liberal film critics, his career would have ended 15 years ago.

Unfortunately, really talented directors, like the Hughes brothers haven't been able to get any work, even after their brilliant tour-de-force From Hell.


By the way, does anybody who's responded to this inanely titled thread even remember a classic subgenre known as Blaxploitation. Maybe this guy will jog someone's memory.

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk111/serenacce/poster-blacula.jpg

[Leprucky Cougar]

I have a theory about all of the "Scary Movie" movies (and even the movies that they have influenced: "Date Movie," "Epic Movie," "Meet the Spartans," etc.):

They're made by black people (the Wayans Brothers) for black people, and not only that, but they make the assumption that the audience is ridiculously stupid. Talk about negative black stereotypes (from black people shouting insipid things at a movie screen in Scary movie to black people "pimping their rides" in the form of remaking Alyson Hannigan in Date movie) perpetuated and expressed in those movies.

I take offense at those movies (their assumption that the audience is a bunch of slack-jawed morons) and I'm not even black.

...

In terms of intellectual African American cinema, I think that Spike Lee is absolutely brilliant (Do The Right Thing being one of my all-time favorite films and what I see as a poignant study of racial relations). Wonder what a Spike Lee horror movie would be like.


I agree. Spike Lee's one of my favorite directors and playwrights. Not to mention August Wilson, and Tony Kushner.

Now in terms of the Wayans brothers insinuating their audience is stupid....perhaps that is not the case. But their goal is merely to create satirical pieces to an audience. Now I now many of us here are far too smart to take into account these skits, and feel like your intelligence may be insulted. But speaking in terms of the majority--in a country where the younger generations of your people can't name you all 50 states and capitals (nevermind getting them in order), barely knows what's going on in the political scene and can identify more with current then with the past in order to predict a brighter future something is wrong. The thing is that most young people in America are like this and because they are--are willing to enjoy and economically support it. Here it goes beyond race--it's more of a generation gap if you ask me.

But I don't think that was the goal in a Living Color.

[urgeok2]

In terms of intellectual African American cinema, I think that Spike Lee is absolutely brilliant (Do The Right Thing being one of my all-time favorite films and what I see as a poignant study of racial relations). Wonder what a Spike Lee horror movie would be like.

I do like and respect Spike Lee - a lot ... but man he's a racist SOB himself.

i haven't followed him too closely since Malcolm X, but do the right thing, and she's gotta have it are great films ... not to mention Mo Better Blues - which is hands down my favorite Spike Lee Joint.


as far as what the black demographic supports where i live .. it's mostly urban comedies .. doesnt matter how bad they are...

i have 10,000 movies in my house ... and when our babysitter chose films to watch - the 1st choice was House Party 2.

2 of my best friends (a guy and a girl) are not typical and consider these films to be crap ... but for the most part ...thats what the black folks up here like.

interesting sidenote - the black population is very different in Canada from the USA... unless i'm mistaken, most blacks in the USA have been there for several generations ... while most blacks in Canada (toronto area anyway) are 1st generation west-indian.

not sure if this makes any difference in the movie viewing preferences though.


something else ... there arent that many horror fans - compared to everything else - to begin with ... so maybe as Neverending said near the beginning - maybe there's an appropriate numbers being represented here after all..

[Leprucky Cougar]

Oh, and I'm a HUGE KRS-One fan, his music has great beats, lyrics, and can be very inspiring.

Yeah I love Hip Hop Lives by him and Marley Marl

[Elvis_Christ]

A Spike Lee horror film would be something close to Summer of Sam wouldn't it.

Getting back to the hip hop thing Saul Williams is really impressive and totally kills bullshit paper gangstas like M&M

[ChronoGrl]

Like Summer of Sam, only worse. Lee is one of the most over-rated AA directors around, and his monumental ego is on display constantly. If it wasn't for overly enthusiastic white liberal film critics, his career would have ended 15 years ago.

You're right; He's be a pretty poor horror director.

Over-rated, I disagree with.

Monumental ego, however, I can't argue.

See, I think he's absolutely brilliant. I agree with Urge: Do the Right Thing, She's Gotta Have It, and Mo Better Blues are purely brilliant character studies. Inside Man was a great little film and even Crooklyn was fantastic in its own right. His films are cleanly, deliberately directed and incredibly important to art film as a whole.

That said, I also agree with Urge that he's a racist prick who is ridiculously full of himself... But I don't think that we can ignore his influence in film.

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Re: Blacksploitation cinema... I've never seen a one. :o

[Leprucky Cougar]

Digital Underground, De La Soul, NAS, Wu Tang Clan, Bone Thugs, etc... there's plenty of good rap and hip hop out there but you don't usually see it in the mainstream. Mainstream rap sucks for the most part but to dismiss the genre completely is a bit harsh. Oops, you mentioned Nas...

Yeah most of the good stuff is underground and if you've noticed the ones whom i mentioned who are still considered mainstream are either on the verge of leaving the scene (eminem, Jay Z, etc) or when they did return "crossed over" to sell the image that is constantly portrayed that is delegitimizing it's legacy and foundation.

[Leprucky Cougar]

A Spike Lee horror film would be something close to Summer of Sam wouldn't it.

Getting back to the hip hop thing Saul Williams is really impressive and totally kills bullshit paper gangstas like M&M


I like him too...I took a quiz to see what kind of rapper I was and I got Saul Williams

[Elvis_Christ]

I like him too...I took a quiz to see what kind of rapper I was and I got Saul Williams

Ha, cool :)

[Dante'sInferno]

I like him too...I took a quiz to see what kind of rapper I was and I got Saul WilliamsI like him also.I thought it was cool too how he toured with Trent Reznor.They're real close friends too,which i think is cool.

[Leprucky Cougar]

I like him also.I thought it was cool too how he toured with Trent Reznor.They're real close friends too,which i think is cool.

Yeah things went so well with the tour he announced that Trent Reznor is going to co-produce his next album. I believe it's out now though called: The Inevitable Rise and Liberation of NiggyTardust!. It was available only at the website niggytardust.com until a physical CD of the album was released. Trent Reznor produced it, and Alan Moulder mixed it. Reznor said based off his own recent dealings with record labels, they should release it directly

[novakru]

Yeah things went so well with the tour he announced that Trent Reznor is going to co-produce his next album.

Well, that's something I need to take note.
Trent has the midas touch when producing:cool:

[Elvis_Christ]

I like him also.I thought it was cool too how he toured with Trent Reznor.They're real close friends too,which i think is cool.

Yeh dude the videos on youtube of him playing with Trent are pretty cool. Apart from how the ones I watched were censored

[Nella]

I know...thought you were joking...tried to go along with it.

Maybe she had spilt personality disorder or bipolar

Moral of the story: We always win

It seems to me that many people don't understand mental illness. I think someone can just get offended if another person disagrees with him or her. My dad is a perfect example. He doesn't have a split personality nor does he have Bipolar Disorder. He just thinks he's the only one who knows anything. Back to the point I was trying to make: Not all of us with a mental illness are crazy. :)

I've read posts on here that seemed "off" to me. I think some people just post out of anger or because they are miserable and want to bring others down. I have not done that to anyone here. ;)

[Psycom5k]

Hold up. Don't get me wrong. I do view my self as a young aspiring, female black intellecual who tries her hardest to be as versatile as she can be (hence me joining hdc), but I do love the step up series and those "urban dance movies"--and no not because of the soundtrack--because of the plot ; the soundtrack and the fact that that was filmed in my hometown both times and parts of my high school was just a bonus.

And no biggie on the no attempt at being racist. It's all good. I see your point, but disagree with the delivery.

And by the way, it would be nice if you didn't refer to them as "crappy" or "shitty" rappers--that's a little more than just "dissing." Perhaps something like you've heard other artists with more intriguing and well developed lyrical ability rather than rappers are shitty. Because if anyone were to say that about one of your fav movies instead of explaining what you mean by that you might not be pissed but a little offended.

For future reference by the way. :)

Hmmm, Well you see the only good rappers are dead rappers. And no that doesn't mean I hate the genre, just the crap that comes out these days 'WHAT!!!! YEEEAh!!!!! OKAY!!!! And by dead rappers I mean Biggy and 2Pac, because lets face it, real rap died with them.

Secondly, what plot was in that movie? Hmmm a bunch of street dancers, try to get street cred by street dancing, with some street dancing friends. at the end there is a big street dance off ho down. Mix in some sort of obsticle, a few plot twists that for the most part are useless, and finish it all up by resolving the problem with.... omg dancing(didn't see that one coming). By the way I haven't even seen the movie, how close was I? And its cool and all that it involved your hometown and highschool, but guess what 5-10 years down the line nobody is going to care about it. Ever heard of the movie Ghost Story? It was filmed in a house in my area that I actually drive by all the time, I have a friend who lives next door to the house and guess what they didn't even know about it. I wonder if that little gem of a film is going to follow down the same path. :)

Sorry but when people call that crap a movie I get annoyed.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Just wanted to say that Tupac is the greatest musical artist of all time

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Hmmm, Well you see the only good rappers are dead rappers. And no that doesn't mean I hate the genre, just the crap that comes out these days 'WHAT!!!! YEEEAh!!!!! OKAY!!!!

then rock is dead, punk is dead... hmm what else can we add?

[Ferox13]

Like Summer of Sam, only worse. Lee is one of the most over-rated AA directors around, and his monumental ego is on display constantly. If it wasn't for overly enthusiastic white liberal film critics, his career would have ended 15 years ago.

Unfortunately, really talented directors, like the Hughes brothers haven't been able to get any work, even after their brilliant tour-de-force From Hell.

I wouldn't go as far as MOST overated but he definally i and I'd agree with alot of the rest of the above too. Plus Less definally has a very racist agenda too...

Also Black People make crap serial killers too :-)

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHEvPoX_LWM

[ChronoGrl]

Just wanted to say that Tupac is the greatest musical artist of all time

I concur...

[urgeok2]

Just wanted to say that Tupac is the greatest musical artist of all time


if you knew who Burt Bacharach was, you'd never say such a rediculous thing !

[Vodstok]

Just wanted to say that Tupac is the greatest musical artist of all time
I never bothered to listen to him, but i completely disagree that anyone from a genre that is musically full of "sampling" other people's music could produce the greatest musical artist ever. Maybe the greatest rapper ever, but if he didnt compose music, real music, then no, he isnt. Did he even play an instrument?

Trent Reznor is easily one of the greatest musical artists around. I'm not a big fan of Burt, but you have to admit, the man has a TON of successful music to his name, and not a single song was a hit for Britney or NSync

[Nella]

I'm not saying Tupac wasn't a good rapper but I have to disagree about him being "the greatest musical artist of all time".

Lots of people idolized Jimi Hendrix. He wasn't a personal favorite...

Have any of you ever heard The Red Hot Chili Peppers play? That's real talent...Eddie Van Halen is an awesome guitarist, too. Joe Satriani, anyone? Well, Joe and Eddie don't sing but, as I implied, they're talented.

I know there are more but I can't think of anyone right off hand. Amy Lee? Now, her talent is obvious.

Alicia Keyes? She's black and a talented writer/singer.

How did we end up talking about music in a movie thread? ;)

[Despare]

I'm not saying Tupac wasn't a good rapper but I have to disagree about him being "the greatest musical artist of all time".

Lots of people idolized Jimi Hendrix. He wasn't a personal favorite...

Have any of you ever heard The Red Hot Chili Peppers play? That's real talent...Eddie Van Halen is an awesome guitarist, too. Joe Satriani, anyone? Well, Joe and Eddie don't sing but, as I implied, they're talented.

I know there are more but I can't think of anyone right off hand. Amy Lee? Now, her talent is obvious.

Alicia Keyes? She's black and a talented writer/singer.

How did we end up talking about music in a movie thread? ;)

It's an opinion, you can't argue with an opinion. Just tell us who you like better and get on with it.

[Festered]

if you knew who Burt Bacharach was, you'd never say such a rediculous thing !

Love Bacharach, one of the greatest living songwriters around. His collaborations with Dionne Warwicke, Dusty Springfield and Elvis Costello are fantastic.

[Leprucky Cougar]

It seems to me that many people don't understand mental illness. I think someone can just get offended if another person disagrees with him or her.




Oh, this was meant to joke about a fallacy. Thought that was pretty clear.
But I understand mental illness. I have relatives and friends with all different kinds and overlaps.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

I'm not saying Tupac wasn't a good rapper but I have to disagree about him being "the greatest musical artist of all time".

Lots of people idolized Jimi Hendrix. He wasn't a personal favorite...

Have any of you ever heard The Red Hot Chili Peppers play? That's real talent...Eddie Van Halen is an awesome guitarist, too. Joe Satriani, anyone? Well, Joe and Eddie don't sing but, as I implied, they're talented.

I know there are more but I can't think of anyone right off hand. Amy Lee? Now, her talent is obvious.

Alicia Keyes? She's black and a talented writer/singer.

How did we end up talking about music in a movie thread? ;)

Chili Peppers are AWFUL live.

[Leprucky Cougar]

Just wanted to say that Tupac is the greatest musical artist of all time

I second that. He is/was what Trent Reznor is to industrial metal/rock.

[Leprucky Cougar]

I never bothered to listen to him, but i completely disagree that anyone from a genre that is musically full of "sampling" other people's music could produce the greatest musical artist ever. Maybe the greatest rapper ever, but if he didnt compose music, real music, then no, he isnt. Did he even play an instrument?

Trent Reznor is easily one of the greatest musical artists around. I'm not a big fan of Burt, but you have to admit, the man has a TON of successful music to his name, and not a single song was a hit for Britney or NSync

I think 2pac played music but not as extensively as Reznor. Both had musical backgrounds though. Reznor played in his high school band starting out. 2pac went to this high school called the Baltimore School for the Arts where his majors were music, and acting with primarily an emphasis in writing (hence his poetry in early years propelled his sense of being a lyrical genious later in his career) But I can imagine if you're being a music major they teach you how to compose as well as play.

http://www.imeem.com/nymphowolf/video/lC-8twl5/2_pac_keep_ya_head_up_music_video/

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

I never bothered to listen to him, but i completely disagree that anyone from a genre that is musically full of "sampling" other people's music could produce the greatest musical artist ever. Maybe the greatest rapper ever, but if he didnt compose music, real music, then no, he isnt. Did he even play an instrument?

Trent Reznor is easily one of the greatest musical artists around. I'm not a big fan of Burt, but you have to admit, the man has a TON of successful music to his name, and not a single song was a hit for Britney or NSync

I think lyrics are much more important. Anyone can be a good musician if they play for hours and hours, look at asian people.

[Leprucky Cougar]

How did we end up talking about music in a movie thread? ;)

Because someone criticized the movie Step Up 2 and stated how terrible the soundtrack was to support it; then they went on about criticizing rap as a collective; then I went to distinguish the line between Rap vs. Hip Hop vs. Gangsta Rap and what is seen today; then someone agreed, accused it of dying when he died--but some of us said Saul Willams, Nas, and countless others still exist but are underground becasue what is "selling" seems to matter that what is right or makes sense.

Pretty good summary huh?

[Psycom5k]

I think lyrics are much more important. Anyone can be a good musician if they play for hours and hours, look at asian people.

I agree that Lyrics are important but its both the lyrics and the music, you can't just pick either or, cause you could have awesome lyrics with shitty music and it would be a shitty song and vice versa.

[Leprucky Cougar]

I think lyrics are much more important. Anyone can be a good musician if they play for hours and hours, look at asian people.

I agree with you...the actual composition of the music is great....of course it is--it's the foundation. But the true weapons are your words. :)

[Psycom5k]

Because someone criticized the movie Step Up 2 and stated how terrible the soundtrack was to support it; then they went on about criticizing rap as a collective; then I went to distinguish the line between Rap vs. Hip Hop vs. Gangsta Rap and what is seen today; then someone agreed, accused it of dying when he died--but some of us said Saul Willams, Nas, and countless others still exist but are underground becasue what is "selling" seems to matter that what is right or makes sense.

Pretty good summary huh?

hmmmm Ya know you never did answer my question. was my blind summary of the movies plot correct or not? I just wanted to know.

[Leprucky Cougar]

I agree that Lyrics are important but its both the lyrics and the music, you can't just pick either or, cause you could have awesome lyrics with shitty music and it would be a shitty song and vice versa.

So explain this scenario: So 2pac has great lyrics. But doesn't extensively compose the music for his tracks. Because you said it's not an either or situation, does this mean he isn't talented or can't be compared with other artists? :confused:

Explain please.

[Psycom5k]

So explain this scenario: So 2pac has great lyrics. But doesn't extensively compose the music for his tracks. Because you said it's not an either or situation, does this mean he isn't talented or can't be compared with other artists? :confused:

Explain please.

Answer my question that I asked yesterday and I will answer yours. :)

[Leprucky Cougar]

hmmmm Ya know you never did answer my question. was my blind summary of the movies plot correct or not? I just wanted to know.



"Secondly, what plot was in that movie? Hmmm a bunch of street dancers, try to get street cred by street dancing, with some street dancing friends. at the end there is a big street dance off ho down. Mix in some sort of obsticle, a few plot twists that for the most part are useless, and finish it all up by resolving the problem with.... omg dancing(didn't see that one coming). By the way I haven't even seen the movie, how close was I?"


Not exactly. That's a shallow way of putting it. More like this:


It follows Andie West (Briana Evigan) as she pursues her big dream of becoming a street dancer. Her mother died of cancer when Andie was 16; she now lives with her mother's best friend, Sarah (her guardian), but in reality, Andie feels like she does not belong anywhere. Although she is doing badly at school, it is her passion for dancing that brings something good into her life. She rehearses regularly with her 'crew', the "410", to keep the title of the illegal competition, 'The Streets'. Sarah is tired of the crime and harassment by the 410 and tells Andie she will have to go to live with her aunt in Texas if she doesn't turn her life around.


Tyler Gage (Channing Tatum) meets her at the dance club, The Dragon. Tyler tries to persuade her to audition for the Maryland School of the Arts (MSA), where Andie has to compete for a place, thinking it will help her life as it did his. When Andie refuses, Tyler decides to battle her for it. In a memorable dance scene, Tyler does great moves and wins the battle. The two head back to her place and Tyler convinces Sarah to let her join MSA. She eventually agrees, and Tyler leaves Andie to audition at MSA while he goes on tour with Nora, confident that she can make it. Chase Collins (Robert Hoffman) persuades the school director (his brother) Blake (Will Kemp) to recruit Andie after seeing a spectacular performance. When Andie's studies come before the crew, the members are not happy and decide to kick her out. So Andie and Chase form a new crew with help from many people Chase knows at the school, all of whom are not accepted as who they are.


The 410 doesn't like the fact that they have a new crew to compete with so they warn Andie's group to stay out of The Streets or there will be consequences. When Tuck finds Chase, he assaults him for his prank. Chase comes into school the next day badly bruised and hurt. On top of that, the dance studio has been trashed by the 410 the previous night. Director Collins decides that he will not allow anyone from the school to be involved in illegal competitions. He then decides to expel Andie from MSA because of her involvement with the Streets competition after a tip-off from Sophie. When asked if there were any other students involved, Andie does not tell him about her crew.

When Sarah hears the news of Andie's expulsion, she tells her that she has had enough of her behavior and that Andie now must go to live with her aunt in Texas. Just when Andie is packing her bags to leave for Texas, she receives a text message from Missy that The Streets is on that night - the same night as the MSA fundraiser. Along with Andie, her whole crew gets the text message. They decide to ditch the MSA fundraiser (except for Moose) and instead compete in The Streets. Sarah hears about what Andie did to protect her crew and is proud of her. She allows Andie to compete at The Streets with her crew. The director sees them compete and realizes that the street dancing he has been opposing is in fact a legitimate form of artistic expression. He accepts Andie into MSA again. The film finds its optimistic ending - a passionate kiss between Andie and Chase.


So saying that is just dancing for street cred is a bit of an overstatement. You or anyone could've guessed that without seeing it--just by knowing the title; so being that you haven't seen it wasn't anything special from someone else whom didn't. Sure it has drama/plot--but in it's own respective right. Every film doesn't meet one general criteria to be a movie. That's insane. Otherwise we wouldn't genres and subgenres such as horror, drama, romance-drama, action, documentary and all the various subcategories that exist today.

[Leprucky Cougar]

Answer my question that I asked yesterday and I will answer yours. :)

That's fair. I have. :)

[Psycom5k]

"Secondly, what plot was in that movie? Hmmm a bunch of street dancers, try to get street cred by street dancing, with some street dancing friends. at the end there is a big street dance off ho down. Mix in some sort of obsticle, a few plot twists that for the most part are useless, and finish it all up by resolving the problem with.... omg dancing(didn't see that one coming). By the way I haven't even seen the movie, how close was I?"


Not exactly. That's a shallow way of putting it. More like this:


It follows Andie West (Briana Evigan) as she pursues her big dream of becoming a street dancer. Her mother died of cancer when Andie was 16; she now lives with her mother's best friend, Sarah (her guardian), but in reality, Andie feels like she does not belong anywhere. Although she is doing badly at school, it is her passion for dancing that brings something good into her life. She rehearses regularly with her 'crew', the "410", to keep the title of the illegal competition, 'The Streets'. Sarah is tired of the crime and harassment by the 410 and tells Andie she will have to go to live with her aunt in Texas if she doesn't turn her life around.


Tyler Gage (Channing Tatum) meets her at the dance club, The Dragon. Tyler tries to persuade her to audition for the Maryland School of the Arts (MSA), where Andie has to compete for a place, thinking it will help her life as it did his. When Andie refuses, Tyler decides to battle her for it. In a memorable dance scene, Tyler does great moves and wins the battle. The two head back to her place and Tyler convinces Sarah to let her join MSA. She eventually agrees, and Tyler leaves Andie to audition at MSA while he goes on tour with Nora, confident that she can make it. Chase Collins (Robert Hoffman) persuades the school director (his brother) Blake (Will Kemp) to recruit Andie after seeing a spectacular performance. When Andie's studies come before the crew, the members are not happy and decide to kick her out. So Andie and Chase form a new crew with help from many people Chase knows at the school, all of whom are not accepted as who they are.


The 410 doesn't like the fact that they have a new crew to compete with so they warn Andie's group to stay out of The Streets or there will be consequences. When Tuck finds Chase, he assaults him for his prank. Chase comes into school the next day badly bruised and hurt. On top of that, the dance studio has been trashed by the 410 the previous night. Director Collins decides that he will not allow anyone from the school to be involved in illegal competitions. He then decides to expel Andie from MSA because of her involvement with the Streets competition after a tip-off from Sophie. When asked if there were any other students involved, Andie does not tell him about her crew.

When Sarah hears the news of Andie's expulsion, she tells her that she has had enough of her behavior and that Andie now must go to live with her aunt in Texas. Just when Andie is packing her bags to leave for Texas, she receives a text message from Missy that The Streets is on that night - the same night as the MSA fundraiser. Along with Andie, her whole crew gets the text message. They decide to ditch the MSA fundraiser (except for Moose) and instead compete in The Streets. Sarah hears about what Andie did to protect her crew and is proud of her. She allows Andie to compete at The Streets with her crew. The director sees them compete and realizes that the street dancing he has been opposing is in fact a legitimate form of artistic expression. He accepts Andie into MSA again. The film finds its optimistic ending - a passionate kiss between Andie and Chase.


So saying that is just dancing for street cred is a bit of an overstatement. You or anyone could've guessed that without seeing it--just by knowing the title; so being that you haven't seen it wasn't anything special from someone else whom didn't. Sure it has drama/plot--but in it's own respective right. Every film doesn't meet one general criteria to be a movie. That's insane. Otherwise we wouldn't genres and subgenres such as horror, drama, romance-drama, action, documentary and all the various subcategories that exist today.

Ya know, after reading that whole summary I am totally sure the movie is exactly they way I said it was going to be so I stand with my statement. It's crap. Thats the only genre it deserves to be in.

And to answer your question, No I don't personally think rap is music, but don't get me wrong its not how it sounds. I think of rap as more of a form of poetry with a beat in the background. So I don't really think it falls under the category of music vs lyrics, since rap is mainly lyrics.

[Leprucky Cougar]

Ya know, after reading that whole summary I am totally sure the movie is exactly they way I said it was going to be so I stand with my statement. It's crap. Thats the only genre it deserves to be in.

And to answer your question, No I don't personally think rap is music, but don't get me wrong its not how it sounds. I think of rap as more of a form of poetry with a beat in the background. So I don't really think it falls under the category of music vs lyrics, since rap is mainly lyrics.


1st comment about the film--I still disagree with you

2nd comment is a follow-up question. If it's just poetry with beats in the background, what is any song really? Is it not too poetry--whether it's rhytmic with meter or is a free verse, does it not to have a beat in the background--now that beat many be a complete symphony of instruments or compiled studio and audio beats. But is it not to the same just a different form? I am still perplexed at the moment.

[urgeok2]

since we're talking 'urban' music ..

here's who i can honestly say i like :

Public Enemy
Run DMC
Tribe Called Quest
De La Soul
Jungle Brothers
Black Sheep (my favorite)
Fugees (and the solo efforts)


I prefer Trip Hop and old school.

i dont hear much the kids are playing that i can stand - but i'm told that there is a huge underground scene that is still good music.

[Psycom5k]

1st comment about the film--I still disagree with you

2nd comment is a follow-up question. If it's just poetry with beats in the background, what is any song really? Is it not too poetry--whether it's rhytmic with meter or is a free verse, does it not to have a beat in the background--now that beat many be a complete symphony of instruments or compiled studio and audio beats. But is it not to the same just a different form?

TOO MANY BIG WORDS!!! STOP IT!! MY BRAIN HURTS!!! But no, any other type of music has some actual instrument in it, whereas with rap you could just have a beat machine, or a program making beats.

I am still perplexed at the moment.

Thats just because you're female, don't worry do some dishes and that will go away.



























I KEED I KEED!

http://www.mavericktimes.com/triumph.jpg

[neverending]

1st comment about the film--I still disagree with you

2nd comment is a follow-up question. If it's just poetry with beats in the background, what is any song really? Is it not too poetry--whether it's rhytmic with meter or is a free verse, does it not to have a beat in the background--now that beat many be a complete symphony of instruments or compiled studio and audio beats. But is it not to the same just a different form? I am still perplexed at the moment.

Strictly speaking, from a musicalogical point of view, rap does not contain all the elements needed to comprise what is music. Music must have, in addition to rhythm, melody, harmony and color.

Rap has at most, two of these elements, but not all.

[Leprucky Cougar]

since we're talking 'urban' music ..

here's who i can honestly say i like :

Public Enemy
Run DMC
Tribe Called Quest
De La Soul
Jungle Brothers (my favorite)
Black Sheep
Fugees (and the solo efforts)


I prefer Trip Hop and old school.

i dont hear much the kids are playing that i can stand - but i'm told that there is a huge underground scene that is still good music.


Yes the undergrund scene. That's what I was talking about earlier. Plenty of people like those and 2pac are still around. Nas, Saul Williams, Mos Def, Anthony Hamilton, Common, KRS One, Marley Marl, et al. They refuse to "sell out" and go back to "what simply sells", hence Jay Z retired for a year but went back to the game.

[Posher778]

Strictly speaking, from a musicalogical point of view, rap does not contain all the elements needed to comprise what is music. Music must have, in addition to rhythm, melody, harmony and color.

Rap has at most, two of these elements, but not all.

I second this.

[Leprucky Cougar]

Strictly speaking, from a musicalogical point of view, rap does not contain all the elements needed to comprise what is music. Music must have, in addition to rhythm, melody, harmony and color.

Rap has at most, two of these elements, but not all.

I don't see how they don't have all, even if the form isn't as typical as what you would prefer it being, I still don't see substantial difference; it appears the same but different forms--different styles.

[darkness_falls]

Both music and lyrics is not necessary for good music.
For example you can have just Lyrics, i.e. Are You That Somebody (A-Capella Version) or just Music as in an instrumental, i.e. Jay-Z's instrumentals.
There was a famous pianist who during concert didn't play anything for like 10 minutes and got a standing ovation. Because the music is not voice and instruments but also the silence too.

[neverending]

It's difficult to explain color to the blind.

I didn't make this up. Rap is not sung- it's spoken. Therefore, it has no melody. You're honestly unable to discern this? If so, say so, because you don't have the ability to understand or perceive the differences and I'll bow out of the discussion because I don't like blabbering for nothing.

[bloody_ribcut]

It's difficult to explain color to the blind.

I didn't make this up. Rap is not sung- it's spoken. Therefore, it has no melody. You're honestly unable to discern this? If so, say so, because you don't have the ability to understand or perceive the differences and I'll bow out of the discussion because I don't like blabbering for nothing.

bone thugs n harmony

[Leprucky Cougar]

bone thugs n harmony


Thank You.



http://www.imeem.com/kmbrown/playlist/OaO9NDti/top_back_instrumental_music_playlist/

Although that link isn't Bone thugs n harmny, Can you not also hear other instruments in this besides a mere beat?

[Despare]

I don't know, I think there can be melody in spoken word. Only 5 videos... some decent examples though. You honestly couldn't view these as music? Of course I'm sure most who write off an entire genre will simply not listen and restate their points...

Bone Thugs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLbefwHpaZQ

Nas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWbpmOO9HRA

The Roots
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqi5P4gAvSY

Even Dre...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS8ovxWYvTo

Eminem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS7qqbkBAL0&feature=related



Throw in a bonus video too, well worth checking out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HrSN7176XI

[Leprucky Cougar]

I don't know, I think there can be melody in spoken word. Only 5 videos... some decent examples though. You honestly couldn't view these as music? Of course I'm sure most who write off an entire genre will simply not listen and restate their points...

Bone Thugs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLbefwHpaZQ

Nas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWbpmOO9HRA

The Roots
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqi5P4gAvSY

Even Dre...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS8ovxWYvTo

Eminem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS7qqbkBAL0&feature=related

I agree with you. That's why I said it has all forms as he's mentioned. Now becasue the style or form is different, doesn't mean it isn't there.

[Despare]

I agree with you. That's why I said it has all forms as he's mentioned. Now becasue the style or form is different, doesn't mean it isn't there.

That song from The Roots is awesome... I love when rappers have a band.

It's a shame people just think of this when they think of rap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlbwYBzPXKk

[Elvis_Christ]

Anyone into Immortal Technique? Him and Saul Williams are my favorites at the moment.

I dig a lot of the older shit like NWA, EPMD, Above The Law, Public Enemy, RUN DMC...

Can't go past the mighty Wu either.

[Nella]

I don't know, I think there can be melody in spoken word. Only 5 videos... some decent examples though. You honestly couldn't view these as music? Of course I'm sure most who write off an entire genre will simply not listen and restate their points...

Bone Thugs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLbefwHpaZQ

Nas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWbpmOO9HRA

The Roots
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqi5P4gAvSY

Even Dre...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS8ovxWYvTo

Eminem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS7qqbkBAL0&feature=related



Throw in a bonus video too, well worth checking out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HrSN7176XI

Good Golly, Miss Molly, Despare! Didn't you just post that I couldn't argue with an opinion? What are you doing at this time?: ARGUING :P

LC, I see how your post count is so high. You reply in separate posts to each individual. I do admire you for being able to keep up with it all, though.

[Psycom5k]

I didn't make this up. Rap is not sung- it's spoken. Therefore, it has no melody. You're honestly unable to discern this? If so, say so, because you don't have the ability to understand or perceive the differences and I'll bow out of the discussion because I don't like blabbering for nothing.

Thats exactly what i meant, just in a more intelligent way.

Oh and bone thugs n harmony is more R&B than anything.

[Marley's Ghost]

I'm Rapping Marley
And I'm Here To Say
Seems Like This Thread
Has Gone Astray

Do Black People Like Horror
Was The Original Post
But I Couldn't Tell You
I'm As White As A Ghost

I Guess When It Comes Down To It
The Question Is Kind Of Lame
Be It Black Or White Or Yellow
Underneath We're Just The Same

You Strip Away The Skin
You're Left With Muscle & Bone
Some Internal Organs & Blood
Doesn't Matter The Skin Tone

We Are All Brothers & Sisters
Trying To Make It On This Earth
Shouldn't Matter What Hue
Was Giving To You At Birth

As Far As The Music Goes
Give Me Country,Rap Or Blues
Some Southern Jams Or R&B
A Bit Of Rock & Roll I Choose

Maybe A Little Sinatra
Or Tony Bennet If The Mood Fits
Throw On Some Waylon Jennings
And Eat A Bowl Of Grits

If I Want To Get Good & Funky
I'll Listen To Some Meters
But Its Neverendingwonder Radio
That Will Greet My Trick Or Treaters

[Psycom5k]

I'm Rapping Marley
And I'm Here To Say
Seems Like This Thread
Has Gone Astray

Do Black People Like Horror
Was The Original Post
But I Couldn't Tell You
I'm As White As A Ghost

I Guess When It Comes Down To It
The Question Is Kind Of Lame
Be It Black Or White Or Yellow
Underneath We're Just The Same

You Strip Away The Skin
You're Left With Muscle & Bone
Some Internal Organs & Blood
Doesn't Matter The Skin Tone

We Are All Brothers & Sisters
Trying To Make It On This Earth
Shouldn't Matter What Hue
Was Giving To You At Birth

As Far As The Music Goes
Give Me Country,Rap Or Blues
Some Southern Jams Or R&B
A Bit Of Rock & Roll I Choose

Maybe A Little Sinatra
Or Tony Bennet If The Mood Fits
Throw On Some Waylon Jennings
And Eat A Bowl Of Grits

If I Want To Get Good & Funky
I'll Listen To Some Meters
But Its Neverendingwonder Radio
That Will Greet My Trick Or Treaters

You mean Given right?

Though I know that you won't answer this I'd figure i'd just point it out as the first typo i've seen in any of your poems.

[urgeok2]

I'm Rapping Marley
And I'm Here To Say
Seems Like This Thread
Has Gone Astray

Do Black People Like Horror
Was The Original Post
But I Couldn't Tell You
I'm As White As A Ghost

I Guess When It Comes Down To It
The Question Is Kind Of Lame
Be It Black Or White Or Yellow
Underneath We're Just The Same

You Strip Away The Skin
You're Left With Muscle & Bone
Some Internal Organs & Blood
Doesn't Matter The Skin Tone

We Are All Brothers & Sisters
Trying To Make It On This Earth
Shouldn't Matter What Hue
Was Giving To You At Birth

As Far As The Music Goes
Give Me Country,Rap Or Blues
Some Southern Jams Or R&B
A Bit Of Rock & Roll I Choose

Maybe A Little Sinatra
Or Tony Bennet If The Mood Fits
Throw On Some Waylon Jennings
And Eat A Bowl Of Grits

If I Want To Get Good & Funky
I'll Listen To Some Meters
But Its Neverendingwonder Radio
That Will Greet My Trick Or Treaters

get down with your bad self, cracker !

[Leprucky Cougar]

Anyone into Immortal Technique? Him and Saul Williams are my favorites at the moment.

I dig a lot of the older shit like NWA, EPMD, Above The Law, Public Enemy, RUN DMC...

Can't go past the mighty Wu either.

Yeah, I'm down with Immmortal and Public Enemy, and RUN DMC because :

It's tricky to rock a rhyme
to rock a rhyme that's right on time
it's tricky!
It's tricky! Tricky! Tricky! Tricky!

Hey: You down with OPP?!?!?!

[neverending]

The argument is decades old, and trying to convince someone who can't even understand what the terms mean is futile. So, I'll not even bother.

Calling the color orange blue, does not, in fact turn it blue.

[Leprucky Cougar]

get down with your bad self, cracker !

Yeah, he just spat hot fire !

[Despare]

Definition(s):
Music (noun) - 1. an art of sound in time that expresses ideas and emotions in significant forms through the elements of rhythm, melody, harmony, and color.
2.musical work or compositions for singing or playing.
3.any sweet, pleasing, or harmonious sounds or sound

[Leprucky Cougar]

Definition(s):
Music (noun) - 1. an art of sound in time that expresses ideas and emotions in significant forms through the elements of rhythm, melody, harmony, and color.
2.musical work or compositions for singing or playing.
3.any sweet, pleasing, or harmonious sounds or sound

Very informative, and thank you.

Back to the orginal purpose of the thread people.

[Despare]

Very informative, and thank you.

Back to the orginal purpose of the thread people.

Thread over, black people like horror movies but hide it because they're fly. Didn't we already figure that out?

[neverending]

Definition(s):
3.any sweet, pleasing, or harmonious sounds or sound

That's a very lazy definition by someone who had no musical knowledge. Obviously there's lots of music that's neither sweet nor pleasing.

[Despare]

That's a very lazy definition by someone who had no musical knowledge. Obviously there's lots of music that's neither sweet nor pleasing.

Yeah, the dictionary got it all wrong, why don't you write them and correct them. I don't have Webster or Merriam's address so you'll have to figure that out for yourself. Actually, the Merriam/Webster dictionary varies just slightly...

mu·sic
Pronunciation: \ˈmyü-zik\
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: Middle English musik, from Anglo-French musike, from Latin musica, from Greek mousikē any art presided over by the Muses, especially music, from feminine of mousikos of the Muses, from Mousa Muse
Date: 13th century

the science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity

vocal, instrumental, or mechanical sounds having rhythm, melody, or harmony2

an agreeable sound : euphony <her voice was music to my ears>

musical quality <the music of verse>

a musical accompaniment <a play set to music>

the score of a musical composition set down on paper

a distinctive type or category of music <there is a music for everybody — Eric Salzman>

[neverending]

an agreeable sound : euphony <her voice was music to my ears>


That is obviously an alternate use of the word music and has no bearing on the argument at hand.

[Despare]

That is obviously an alternate use of the word music and has no bearing on the argument at hand.

Whatever, it's your OPINION that rap is not music, not a fact. You can't get pissed that people disagree with you even if they are lazy and know nothing about "music".

[neverending]

Whatever, it's your OPINION that rap is not music, not a fact. You can't get pissed that people disagree with you even if they are lazy and know nothing about "music".

Not MY opinion- the opinion of people who understand the definition of music- as set out even in your dictionary. If it doesn't have all the elements of music, it's not music. I didn't make up the definition.


And who says I'm pissed about anything?

People ascribe a lot of traits to me that aren't very accurate.

[Despare]

Not MY opinion- the opinion of people who understand the definition of music- as set out even in your dictionary. If it doesn't have all the elements of music, it's not music. I didn't make up the definition.


And who says I'm pissed about anything?

People ascribe a lot of traits to me that aren't very accurate.

Really? So professors from Heriot Watt University, Harvard, and Yale who are experts in music are wrong while you are right. Here, write her and tell her she's been wasting her life because rap isn't music.

Gail H. Woldu, Assistant Professor of Music
(Ph.D., Yale University, 1983)

Office: AAC 111
Office Phone: (860) 297-2372
E-mail: [email protected]
Homepage: Not available

Professional Interests:
The music of Black-Americans, the music of Black-American women, rap music, hip hop culture.

Current Research:
Not available

Select Publications:
She has written several articles on rap in the classroom that explore the pedagogical issues unique to teaching rap and other forms of popular black music.

[urgeok2]

i think people can know a lot about music.
trace the history - the lineage.
read about what musicians say about their music..read about or hear the influences ...

but to give it a definition ?

i dont think it's possible .. (despite the fact that some learned people did it)

isn't music whatever you want it to be ?
banging 2 rocks together, hitting a log with a stick ?

how can there be a right or wrong definition of this unless it's so broad it encompases absolutely everything anyone could consider to be music ..

i dont think its a science personally

[Despare]

i think people can know a lot about music.
trace the history - the lineage.
read about what musicians say about their music..read about or hear the influences ...

but to give it a definition ?

i dont think it's possible .. (despite the fact that some learned people did it)

isn't music whatever you want it to be ?
banging 2 rocks together, hitting a log with a stick ?

how can there be a right or wrong definition of this unless it's so broad it encompases absolutely everything anyone could consider to be music ..

i dont think its a science personally

Which is why it's ok to have the opinion that rap isn't music but you cannot say that it's a fact.

[neverending]

Wait a minute- first you were using the dictionary to prove me wrong, and now you're saying not even it is right?????

[Posher778]

Wait a minute- first you were using the dictionary to prove me wrong, and now you're saying not even it is right?????

And the plot thickens :D

[Despare]

Wait a minute- first you were using the dictionary to prove me wrong, and now you're saying not even it is right?????

I'm saying I threw a definition in because you were so intent on defining it. YOU were saying that by definition rap wasn't music so I simply posted the definition, did I say that I adhered to it?

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Wait a minute- first you were using the dictionary to prove me wrong, and now you're saying not even it is right?????

quite correct sir, blather on.

[Despare]

And the plot thickens :D

Your two cents aren't needed here, save it and buy some balls.

:p

[Leprucky Cougar]

Wait a minute- first you were using the dictionary to prove me wrong, and now you're saying not even it is right?????


He was using the dictionary to discredit your belief on the terminology of music and how it is implied and interpreted; merely used to eliminate your claim. That was his weapon of choice. Because you have tended to go on and on about how significant diction and specifically the interpretation of diction. However, his mere point was to reiterate to you that music even when one ponders with words, the more and more life goes on--there will never be any universial definition to define music as a factual entity through one specific and concise mannerism. Because it's impossible because of the many evolutions it is and will take. Just because new genres of music emerge, and it may not be the same way it was 50 yrs ago--or even how you were, it doesn't mean it isn't what it intended to be --which is music. No matter the genre, no matter the type--no matter the form--no matter the style; music is music. And Despare and urge I'm with you on this one.

[Leprucky Cougar]

Your two cents aren't needed here, save it and buy some balls.

:p

Yeah preferably a size that's bigger than this thread. :) :p

[neverending]

He was using the dictionary to discredit your belief on the terminology of music and how it is implied and interpreted; merely used to eliminate your claim. That was his weapon of choice. Because you have tended to go on and on about how significant diction and specifically the interpretation of diction. However, his mere point was to reiterate to you that music even when one ponders with words, the more and more life goes on--there will never be any universial definition to define music as a factual entity through one specific and concise mannerism. Because it's impossible because of the many evolutions it is and will take. Just because new genres of music emerge, and it may not be the same way it was 50 yrs ago--or even how you were, it doesn't mean it isn't what it intended to be --which is music. No matter the genre, no matter the type--no matter the form--no matter the style; music is music. And Despare and urge I'm with you on this one.

Have you read ANY of my posts? I never once mentioned diction or interpretation of diction. Perhaps you have me mixed up with some crazy dialogue inside your head.

And I agree with you- what's music is music. And what isn't, isn't.

[Leprucky Cougar]

Have you read ANY of my posts? I never once mentioned diction or interpretation of diction. Perhaps you have me mixed up with some crazy dialogue inside your head.

And I agree with you- what's music is music. And what isn't, isn't.



Yes I read your posts. You and Despare weren't arguing and comparing each other's definitions? And evaluating and interpreting them?

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

tapping a tune on a tabletop is still music

it's just not the kind of music that people would pay to listen to.

[neverending]

Yes I read your posts. You and Despare weren't arguing and comparing each other's definitions? And evaluating and interpreting them?

Do you know what the word diction means?

[Festered]

It's the friction created by a di......nevermind.

[neverending]

It's the friction created by a di......nevermind.


Hahaha
.......

[Leprucky Cougar]

Do you know what the word diction means?

Yes I do. But instead of going off on this small tangent of a dispute with me, I want to know the response to the counterclaims made by urge and Despare.

[neverending]

Yes I do. But instead of going off on this small tangent of a dispute with me, I want to know the response to the counterclaims made by urge and Despare.

I don't think you do- because you used it incorrectly.

[_____V_____]

And to reply to the ACTUAL topic of this thread...

They do. I have personally met and seen many black people who are into horror. And the initiation started from the 70s exploitation flicks I believe - blaxploitation (sp?) flicks to be exact.

Not to mention the leads of the original Night of the Living Dead and Dawn of the Dead.

But yeah, horror of the 70s shaped their love of the genre. I say at least 65-70% of all black people do love their ample dose of horror, in any way or other.

My 2 cents in.


And now, ladies and gentlemen, back to the "music"al debate...

[Leprucky Cougar]

I don't think you do- because you used it incorrectly.

Perhaps I do. And used it incorrectly intentionally to revert you back to my previous question--concerning your response to the counterclaims of Urge and Despare.

[neverending]

Perhaps I do. And used it incorrectly intentionally to revert you back to my previous question--concerning your response to the counterclaims of Urge and Despare.

I think it's more likely you don't know.

[Leprucky Cougar]

I think it's more likely you don't know.

Are you ever going to readdress the previous claims? Or are you going to "nit-pick" the specificity of everything else?

[neverending]

Spaking or writing with "specificity" is only seen as nit-picking by those who can't think or express themselves with precision or exactness. In fact, if we can't get the details right, the larger picture can never be comprehended. People who are lazy thinkers are always saying things like "oh, you know what I mean," because they don't pay attention to what they are saying.

Speaking and writing with clarity is of utmost importance- it's the only way you can communicate what exactly you mean.

[Leprucky Cougar]

Spaking or writing with "specificity" is only seen as nit-picking by those who can't think or express themselves with precision or exactness. In fact, if we can't get the details right, the larger picture can never be comprehended. People who are lazy thinkers are always saying things like "oh, you know what I mean," because they don't pay attention to what they are saying.

Speaking and writing with clarity is of utmost importance- it's the only way you can communicate what exactly you mean.

I don't refer to or use phrases such as "you know what I mean." I see your point. But it's not with me. Shall we go to back to the previous posts, now? :rolleyes:

[neverending]

No


.................

[Leprucky Cougar]

No


.................

All right then :rolleyes:

[fortunato]

Anyone into Immortal Technique?

yeah, actually.
he's pretty intense.

[darkness_falls]

I think he means he gave up, lol.
If it helps. As I mentioned before music is not just sounds coming from instruments.
"The piece actually consists of the sounds of the environment that the listeners hear while it is performed" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4%E2%80%B233%E2%80%B3 ) 4'33" seconds of silence.

May I also point to, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_music, whereas we are referring to music as in "organized sound."

Originally Posted by neverending http://www.horror.com/forum/ambience/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost.php?p=741067&postcount=104)
Music must have, in addition to rhythm, melody, harmony and color.
Rap has at most, two of these elements, but not all.

Aye, but on the contrary since rap does contain some of the elements defined in set of Music, therefore it must be a subset in Music, therefore rap is music.

And yes Immortal Technique rocks.

[neverending]

Your logic is flawed.

[Leprucky Cougar]

Your logic is flawed.


How so?
Explain

[neverending]

A subset of a does not equal a.

[darkness_falls]

Yes and no. A subset of a <= A.
Therefore if a contains all of elements of A, and it does because that's the definition of a subset, then certainly we can say a = A. Which is the point I was trying to make.
It is like saying a square is a rectangle.
However A = a if and only if for every element in A there is an element in a. But a rectangle is not a square.
You are forgetting in logic = is a bi conditional operator. :p

What my point was that you say that rap has at most two elements of what you called music. But if it has two elements of what you call music then rap is most certainly music. A subset of a set most certainly is within the bounds of said set.

And if you make the counterclaim that rap contains some elements not found in music then we get into probability. However again rap has at least 2 out of 4 elements of what you said are required for music; then at most you can say rap is 50% likely to be music. However you can not say rap is not music, because that is 0% assumption (meaning that rap must have no elements in set of all music); which is impossible in the logic that you presented to us.

My sir your logic is flawed.

I know that I may not dissuade your opinion of rap not being music, but my point is that you can not certainly go around making false statements and using logic to back up an opinion.

[newb]

http://students.signalflare.ca/valdes/uploaded_images/monty-python-my-brain-hurts-4001113-726550.jpg

[Bub the Zombie]

Logic used for defining music? Wonderful.

What's next I wonder - musical logic or logical music? :rolleyes:

[urgeok2]

Logic used for defining music? Wonderful.

What's next I wonder - musical logic or logical music? :rolleyes:

i thought it was analogical or digital ?

[newb]

I thought it was D J LOGIC

http://www.djouls.com/jambands/images/DJ_Logic-Zen_Of_Logic_b.jpg

[neverending]

Yes and no. A subset of a <= A.
Therefore if a contains all of elements of A, and it does because that's the definition of a subset, then certainly we can say a = A. Which is the point I was trying to make.
It is like saying a square is a rectangle.
However A = a if and only if for every element in A there is an element in a. But a rectangle is not a square.
You are forgetting in logic = is a bi conditional operator. :p

What my point was that you say that rap has at most two elements of what you called music. But if it has two elements of what you call music then rap is most certainly music. A subset of a set most certainly is within the bounds of said set.

And if you make the counterclaim that rap contains some elements not found in music then we get into probability. However again rap has at least 2 out of 4 elements of what you said are required for music; then at most you can say rap is 50% likely to be music. However you can not say rap is not music, because that is 0% assumption (meaning that rap must have no elements in set of all music); which is impossible in the logic that you presented to us.

My sir your logic is flawed.

I know that I may not dissuade your opinion of rap not being music, but my point is that you can not certainly go around making false statements and using logic to back up an opinion.

Nope. It's your logic which is flawed. If it takes 4 elements to make music, anything which has less than 4 does not equal music. And it's not MY opinion- I didn't make up the definition. You'll find it taught in any music theory class in the world.

[urgeok2]

Nope. It's your logic which is flawed. If it takes 4 elements to make music, anything which has less than 4 does not equal music. And it's not MY opinion- I didn't make up the definition. You'll find it taught in any music theory class in the world.


so next thing you'll be telling me is that you also believe in the pythagorean theory, the theory of relativity, and the theory of evolution ?

pshhhhh - theory boy

[neverending]

Lol.............

[Bub the Zombie]

i thought it was analogical or digital ?

Apparently they missed quite a few. Its laughable when one thinks of logic and music in the same sentence. Better still, in the same sense.

Try explaining that to the Apaches who beat on logs and wardrums any which way they can. :rolleyes:

[neverending]

If you can read carefully, I have not used the word logic in reference to music itself- only in relation to people's arguments about it.

[Despare]

If you can read carefully, I have not used the word logic in reference to music itself- only in relation to people's arguments about it.

Whatever, I'm tired of arguing the issue, it's just your opinion man... not fact. Now I think I'll go to the music store and buy a rap cd, or maybe in the music section of iTunes, or possibly peruse the "Bestsellers in Music" section on Amazon... oh look "T.I." is number 22, not a big fan. There's not only one definition of music but you go ahead and stick to the only one you've read, I showed you the whole definition because you were stuck on defining it and then you accused me of being the one that needed validation from such definition. Fucking ridiculous, and ignorant to boot. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

[neverending]

You can buy plenty of spoken word offerings at music stores, Amazon & iTunes.

[Despare]

You can buy plenty of spoken word offerings at music stores, Amazon & iTunes.

Not in the bestselling in music section, that's in a different section.


For instance, The Roots - Rising Down is sorted under:


#18 in Music > Rap & Hip-Hop > Experimental Rap
#72 in Music > Pop > Pop Rap

[Leprucky Cougar]

Yes and no. A subset of a <= A.
Therefore if a contains all of elements of A, and it does because that's the definition of a subset, then certainly we can say a = A. Which is the point I was trying to make.
It is like saying a square is a rectangle.
However A = a if and only if for every element in A there is an element in a. But a rectangle is not a square.
You are forgetting in logic = is a bi conditional operator. :p

What my point was that you say that rap has at most two elements of what you called music. But if it has two elements of what you call music then rap is most certainly music. A subset of a set most certainly is within the bounds of said set.

And if you make the counterclaim that rap contains some elements not found in music then we get into probability. However again rap has at least 2 out of 4 elements of what you said are required for music; then at most you can say rap is 50% likely to be music. However you can not say rap is not music, because that is 0% assumption (meaning that rap must have no elements in set of all music); which is impossible in the logic that you presented to us.

My sir your logic is flawed.

I know that I may not dissuade your opinion of rap not being music, but my point is that you can not certainly go around making false statements and using logic to back up an opinion.

Omg.....that was amazing. I fathom and agree with this totally. I feel like reading a math text on Stats and Logistics right now.

[darkness_falls]

Apparently they missed quite a few. Its laughable when one thinks of logic and music in the same sentence. Better still, in the same sense.

Try explaining that to the Apaches who beat on logs and wardrums any which way they can. :rolleyes:

Exactly it is riduculous to assume so otherwise. We can not define such an amorphous subject such as music. Which is my point for making such a logical argument.

Leprucky Cougar Lol, thanks those Discrete Mathematics classes had to be used somewhere. In matter of fact you can have my books they hurt my head. :D

neverending Look up Sets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_(mathematics)) and see that my argument is solid. Also my point is basically this. Rap may not meet all your requirements for music, but since it fulfills two requiremnts, rap is most certainly not "not music".

[neverending]

And your point is invalid. Doesn't matter how many times you repeat the same thing, your point will still be invalid.

[Despare]

And your point is invalid. Doesn't matter how many times you repeat the same thing, your point will still be invalid.

Your opinion is not shared by everybody but there are some who agree.

[newb]

ya know



The Bird.......is the word




Papa-oom-oom-oom-oom-ooma-mow-mow
Oom-oom-oom-oom-ooma-mow-mow
Ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow, ooma-mow-mow
Well, don't you know about the bird
Well, everybody knows that the bird is the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, b-bird's the word

[Despare]

dontch hate it when the picture don't show up :D

Awww it shows up for me... damn angelfire... damn photobucket for blocking it. BAH.

[newb]

I'll edit my post so you don't look foolish.




wait....but then I will have to edit this one

[darkness_falls]

And your point is invalid. Doesn't matter how many times you repeat the same thing, your point will still be invalid.

Damn I do sound like a broken record don't I? Well then disprove it.

But like I said before, I made such an absurd argument to convey how ridiculous this argument is. And if you read my argument carefully it is a "reductio ad absurdum." I was not try to prove you wrong, but merely the negative (of your argument) is impossible :p

[Elvis_Christ]

This pissing contest is getting tired. Does it really matter that much?

[neverending]

LOL... no, it doesn't matter AT ALL.

[Psycom5k]

http://home.cinci.rr.com/l337/your%20thread%20is%20mine.jpg

[Elvis_Christ]

Whatever Mongo

[Psycom5k]

Whatever Mongo

Pfft I totally jacked this thread. You know it.

[Elvis_Christ]

Mmmmoooaaeeeegggggghhhhhhhh

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b32/spiffywonderboy/10182007/mongo.gif

[Psycom5k]

https://www.paganshopping.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/PKISM.jpg

No thanks buddy. I don't do guys, but you can totally go swallow some man meat if you want, thats your life choice not mine. :) I CONTINUE TO DESTROY THIS THREAD HAHA!!

[DraculaInDallas]

who is asian?


http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n20/xavbrav/Television/041212_53404_greenhornet1.jpg

Um.....that would be the little guy on the left my Dear ;) :D

[DraculaInDallas]

Like Summer of Sam, only worse. Lee is one of the most over-rated AA directors around, and his monumental ego is on display constantly. If it wasn't for overly enthusiastic white liberal film critics, his career would have ended 15 years ago.

Unfortunately, really talented directors, like the Hughes brothers haven't been able to get any work, even after their brilliant tour-de-force From Hell.


By the way, does anybody who's responded to this inanely titled thread even remember a classic subgenre known as Blaxploitation. Maybe this guy will jog someone's memory.

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk111/serenacce/poster-blacula.jpg

:D Yes......I guess I'm one of the only people here old enough to have seen it when it first came out. I have it in my Vampire dvd collection also. You have to admit William Marshall was one suave, cool Brother pimp'in around with that Eddie Munster hairdo and that polyester cape!!!!!!! :cool:

[neverending]

You would guess wrong.

[DraculaInDallas]

ya know



The Bird.......is the word




Papa-oom-oom-oom-oom-ooma-mow-mow
Oom-oom-oom-oom-ooma-mow-mow
Ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow, ooma-mow-mow
Well, don't you know about the bird
Well, everybody knows that the bird is the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, b-bird's the word

Thanks alot ya old bastard.....that just reminded me of a Family Guy ep I watched a couple of weeks ago where Peter spent the whole episode singing that song.....that song will be stuck in my head all night!!!!!:mad: :D