Snuff: A Documentary About Killing on Camera

[Ferox13]

Any one see this pretty poor documentry?

Basically it explores the urban legend about the existance of snuff movies where people are killed on camera for the purpose of profit.

It was pretty exploitation stuff - basically showed images that it pretended to condemn in an exploitative manner (the Nick Berg film/Cannibal holocaust animal killings etc).

It finished up with a very phoney tale related by a tearfull producer how he was offered and viewed a 'real snuff film' back in the 80's.

A few other things I though sounded bogus:

They mentioned hours of footage of actual torture/murder found in the Charles Ng+Lake case. I know film was seized but i thought none of the murders were on it.

They said Me Me Lai was the girl on the post in Cannibal Holocaust (she was in Eaten alive and Jungle holocaust not CH) - minior mistake though.

I'm a little sceptical about the Russian Pedo ring selling snuff films - the story got very little coverage in the media and Dmitri Kuznetsov did fuck all jail time.
If this was the discovery of the FIRST EVER REAL SNUFF MOVIE hen surely more would be made of it....

On a similar note any one know the name of those 2 german(or was it Ductch) guys who were caught filming the murder of a prostitute which they intended to sell..

[Disease]

I haven't seen this, but I'm confused as to why you think Snuff films are an urban legend.

[Ferox13]

why you think Snuff films are an urban legend.

Because under the definition (used by the FBI) that a snuff movie is a film of a murder that is done solely for the purposes of destribution for profit there is zero evidence to support the act they exist.

The closest I've seen is that russian case but it recieved such minor coverage for something so important and the actual evidence seems sketchy.

There was also a case of 2 european guys killing a prosititute with the intent to film and distribute it but they were caught and it seemed they had no distribution network..

If you have proof to the contary you should contact Al Goldstein (editor of Screw Magazine) who was offerering a $1,000,000 reward to any one who could prove they exist.

[Disease]

Because under the definition (used by the FBI) that a snuff movie is a film of a murder that is done solely for the purposes of destribution for profit there is zero evidence to support the act they exist.

The closest I've seen is that russian case but it recieved such minor coverage for something so important and the actual evidence seems sketchy.

There was also a case of 2 european guys killing a prosititute with the intent to film and distribute it but they were caught and it seemed they had no distribution network..

If you have proof to the contary you should contact Al Goldstein (editor of Screw Magazine) who was offerering a $1,000,000 reward to any one who could prove they exist.

The thing is, people are not about to come out and admit they are involved in Snuff....... Or that they have one on tape in their draw.

[Psycom5k]

To tell you the truth I really would not be surprised in the least if the stuff actually did exist. THe human race is fucked in the head. Simple as that.

[Ferox13]

The thing is, people are not about to come out and admit they are involved in Snuff....... Or that they have one on tape in their draw.

Obviously no one will come out for no reason and admit something like that but considering the amount of peophile distributors/networks that have been busted and not a single snuff movie has ever been discovered.

I can see the common 'common sense' arguement works and that snuff is a natural extention of hard core BDSM films but i I find it hard to believe that there is a type of crime that a large number of people believe is happening yet there a single tape has yet to be discovered (according to the FBI or Scotlandland yard).

[Psycom5k]

Obviously no one will come out for no reason and admit something like that but considering the amount of peophile distributors/networks that have been busted and not a single snuff movie has ever been discovered.

I can see the common 'common sense' arguement works and that snuff is a natural extention of hard core BDSM films but i I find it hard to believe that there is a type of crime that a large number of people believe is happening yet there a single tape has yet to be discovered (according to the FBI or Scotlandland yard).

It could always be something that the rich and powerful, aka people with ways to hide or deal with things such as this, would indulge in. I mean, if you wanted one made, it seems like it would cost you a whole lot of money anyways. SO that might be a reason, though this is just my thoughts on it.

[AmericanManiac]

I have been interested in this topic for awhile now. Although I am sure they probably do exists, like most of you said people are not going to come forward. I my self would probably wanna check one out.

[Ferox13]

I my self would probably wanna check one out.

I hope that was a typo...

It could always be something that the rich and powerful, aka people with ways to hide or deal with things such as this, would indulge in.

Yeah - I think alot of people invision the Ilsa harem Keeper/white slavery type scenario when it comes to the snuff film.

I think Henry Lee Lucas claimed at one time to work for THE HAND OF DEATH - an organized cult of Satanists who made snuff movies. I also remember an inview with a hooker in Fatal Visions who claimed to be involved with them too. And of course the Manson Family were also alleged to be involved in the making of them - infact I think thats where the term was first coined.

[Elvis_Christ]

Fatal Visions

Damn that was a great 'zine.

I haven't seen the documentary yet because I've read nothing but poor reviews.

What actually constitutes a snuff film? There's a lot of real life shootings, beheadings and shit on the internet that could be considered snuff.

I'm dubious of anything Henry Lee Lucas said, him and the truth have a shady relationship.

[Disease]

Damn that was a great 'zine.

I haven't seen the documentary yet because I've read nothing but poor reviews.

What actually constitutes a snuff film? There's a lot of real life shootings, beheadings and shit on the internet that could be considered snuff.

I'm dubious of anything Henry Lee Lucas said, him and the truth have a shady relationship.


I think what constitutes a snuff film is death in the sexual act.... not what you see on youtube.

[neverending]

Damn that was a great 'zine.

I haven't seen the documentary yet because I've read nothing but poor reviews.

What actually constitutes a snuff film? There's a lot of real life shootings, beheadings and shit on the internet that could be considered snuff.

I'm dubious of anything Henry Lee Lucas said, him and the truth have a shady relationship.

Well, as has already been mentioned in this thread, it's when someone is killed specifically to be filmed- with no other reason. Films of executions, beheadings etc. by groups for any other reason, and the filming was incidental to the act, would not be snuff. The only reason for the death is so that it could be filmed.

[Ferox13]

What actually constitutes a snuff film? There's a lot of real life shootings, beheadings and shit on the internet that could be considered snuff.

I'm dubious of anything Henry Lee Lucas said, him and the truth have a shady relationship.

There is no 'official meaning' but the one most used is as Neverending said ' some one killed solely for the purpose of the film' and I'd also included 'with the intention to supply for profit..'

Yeah I used to love Fatal Visions - that was from your neck of the woods too :-)

And yeah LOL@Henry Lee Lucas - what did he kill like 300 people. Some of which he killed in states at opposite ends of the country at almost the same time..I wonder how many killers are free because of his convienant confessions.

I think what constitutes a snuff film is death in the sexual act.... not what you see on youtube.

Never heard that one before..

[Elvis_Christ]

Yeah I used to love Fatal Visions - that was from your neck of the woods too :-)

And yeah LOL@Henry Lee Lucas - what did he kill like 300 people. Some of which he killed in states at opposite ends of the country at almost the same time..I wonder how many killers are free because of his convienant confessions.


I've still got a few issues of Fatal Visions great reading for sure.

Didn't Ted Bundy try to pin a bunch of murders on Lucas at one point?

I'm guessing a lot of people who claim to have seen snuff film get all the mondo flicks confused with snuff films.

[Ferox13]

I've still got a few issues of Fatal Visions great reading for sure.

Didn't Ted Bundy try to pin a bunch of murders on Lucas at one point?

I'm guessing a lot of people who claim to have seen snuff film get all the mondo flicks confused with snuff films.

I have a few too but it was kinda hard to get in Ireland - could u check to see if you have that one with the porn star/hooker who claims to be involved with the RED HAND. I'd love a scan of it...

Never heard the BUndy thing but i wouldn't be suprised..

Defianally true about the Mondo Stuff but I did work with a guy who claimed to have seen a few Snuff films and tolf me that the people in it had terminal diseases..lol

[Elvis_Christ]

I have a few too but it was kinda hard to get in Ireland - could u check to see if you have that one with the porn star/hooker who claims to be involved with the RED HAND. I'd love a scan of it...


I'll have a look for you mate and scan it up if I've got it.