how do you think women are represented in slasher film

[keiner]

how do you think that women represented in the slasher?

[Sam The Egg]

the survivor is always a woman, so I'd say pretty damn good

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Sam The Egg
the survivor is always a woman


That is so true, Sam...Art imitates life...Women are survivors...We have to be, in order to live in a "man's world"... :)

[Haunted]

While I agree that women are survivors and the fact that they're the only ones left at the end of the film may indicate the primordial sense that women will prevail.

However,

The social and physical rammifications and implementations forced upon women by the popular patriarchy are the deplorable. The media is the greatest enemy woman has ever had to face. Note that I said media, not art. The media has been unkind to art as well but at the same time created new outlets for artistic minds. So the media is a tricky entity.

Lets look, though, at the other role of women in horror: the domineering and often insane mother.

Psycho
Friday 13th (to a small degree)
Aliens (even)

Those are only three, but there countless others. The role the mother plays is that she creates the flawed son, sons, or offspring. She's the greatest threat and monster in the film although she's seldom really apart of the movie or whatever.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I could add "The Ring" to that too. I'm not going to, because I'm unsure. Someone tell me why or why not, if you don't mind.

[meetthecreeper]

Come on Bloodrayne without woman there would be no man. Women are my reasons for living, I love them all

[Sam The Egg]

there are plenty of evil/domineering fathers too, ya know

[Haunted]

True, but we're talking about women.

[Sam The Egg]

sure, it's always the arguments that support the other side that get ignored

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by meetthecreeper
Come on Bloodrayne without woman there would be no man. Women are my reasons for living, I love them all


I love you, Creeper...:)

[meetthecreeper]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
I love you, Creeper...:)

right back at ya sis.

[nightbreed]

to be honest i always viewed the entire slasher sub-genre as throw away to begin with. when i rent a slasher film im pretty sure i'm not going to be seeing a whole lot of in depth character development. Lets be honest here, we all watch slashers to see people die, and its my opinion that because of this 90% of the charactors are throw away to begin with. So if your just going to kill somone why not up the anty and make her a permiscuios teenager with a great rack? I mean really on their most basic level, slasher films are little more than exploitation flicks and the charctors (especially women) are depicted in such a manner.

[Arioch]

Women have it better than men these days i think.


"Women have half the worlds money, and all of its pussy":D

[Haunted]

Originally posted by Arioch
Women have it better than men these days i think.


"Women have half the worlds money, and all of its pussy":D

What? Look at women's roles globally and then tell me we've got it better.

[Arioch]

What? Look at women's roles globally and then tell me we've got it better.

Im not saying that at all, equality still (and probably will always) have a long way to go. But you gotta admit, your a hell of alot better off than you were 40 years ago.

[Haunted]

That's for damn sure. Hell, we're better off then we were 20yrs. ago. It's due to our insistence on human rights that allows for a more global perspective on women's rights.

I didn't understand what you were saying. Sorry about that.

[Arioch]

I didn't understand what you were saying. Sorry about that.

Its alright, its a very heated subject. But anytime you want a political discussion about the inequalities of male vs. female in the social arena im game;)

[StepfatherFan]

Originally posted by Haunted
While I agree that women are survivors and the fact that they're the only ones left at the end of the film may indicate the primordial sense that women will prevail.

However,

The social and physical rammifications and implementations forced upon women by the popular patriarchy are the deplorable. The media is the greatest enemy woman has ever had to face. Note that I said media, not art. The media has been unkind to art as well but at the same time created new outlets for artistic minds. So the media is a tricky entity.

Lets look, though, at the other role of women in horror: the domineering and often insane mother.

Psycho
Friday 13th (to a small degree)
Aliens (even)

Those are only three, but there countless others. The role the mother plays is that she creates the flawed son, sons, or offspring. She's the greatest threat and monster in the film although she's seldom really apart of the movie or whatever.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I could add "The Ring" to that too. I'm not going to, because I'm unsure. Someone tell me why or why not, if you don't mind.

I like you, Haunted. You and I think on the same wavelength. :)
I do agree with Sam about the "evil daddy" thing. hehe Stepfather, right? My favorite evil Daddy. and in the end, it is his stepdaughter who kills him, but up until that point, he does a good job of beating the fuck out of her mom. I have a bit of a different view on physical contact between men and women than other females do. Since I want to be treated equaly, I'm willing to scrap with a guy and NOT start all of that "OMG you hit me and I'm a woman" crap. I support the idea of women becoming physicaly stonger in order kick men's asses, when needed. Taking a few punches is the price of being equal, and I'm not afraid to pay it. :cool:

[Sam The Egg]

EXACTLY! If someone deserves a punch in the face, they should get a punch in the face, penis or not.

[StepfatherFan]

Originally posted by Sam The Egg
EXACTLY! If someone deserves a punch in the face, they should get a punch in the face, penis or not.

Well, I never hit ANYBODY unless they assault me first. I'm strictly a defensive fighter. Oh, well, there was that time I ripped my ex's shirt off of his back. Actualy, I did that quite a few times. Anyway, I wasn't afraid to scrap with him, and he was SIGNIFICANTLY bigger than me. Size doesn't matter though. Its all about your mentality.

[Sam The Egg]

ah...an ex...and why exactly is he an ex?

[StepfatherFan]

Originally posted by Sam The Egg
ah...an ex...and why exactly is he an ex?

He is an Ex because I dumped him like the sorry sack of shit he was. He was an alchoholic, plus he was mean to our son. I knew I had to get rid of him before I really snapped and did something that would send me to prison for many years.

[Sam The Egg]

and did you hate men before all of this?

[StepfatherFan]

Originally posted by Sam The Egg
and did you hate men before all of this?

I don't hate men, I love them. I just hate their attitudes.

[fluffho]

here is equality

officer: ok what is going on here

gent: well see me and my girlfriend were arguing. so she hit me in the back with a baseball bat, so i slapped he..

officer: you slapped her?!

gent: well yeh but first she hit me with the base ball bat so ..

officer: but you slapped her

gent: BECAUSE SHE HIT ME WITH THE BASEBALL BAT SO I

officer: you slapped her? ALRIGHT HANDS OVER YOUR HEAD

:D

<~~cop in training

[Sam The Egg]

that men are bad is your primary topic of conversation

[StepfatherFan]

Originally posted by Sam The Egg
that men are bad is your primary topic of conversation

No, they themselves arent bad, but the way that some of them think is bad.

[Sam The Egg]

and you make generalizations on account of that. I would like to know if you thought this way before all the stuff with the ex happened.

[fluffho]

Originally posted by StepfatherFan
No, they themselves arent bad, but the way that some of them think is bad.

people are never bad. its their thoughts and actions that can be. men women black white or candy striped

[Sam The Egg]

candy striped people suck ass

[bloodrayne]

Stereotypical generalizations...Guess what...


ALL men are NOT the same...

ALL women are NOT the same...

THE END

[StepfatherFan]

Originally posted by Sam The Egg
and you make generalizations on account of that. I would like to know if you thought this way before all the stuff with the ex happened.

Yes, because I had seen my Mother's expieriances with men, and knew how sleazy they could be. I saw lots of times where she was taken advantage of by them. A lot of her boyfriends would actualy try to get me to have sex with them while she was in the bathroom, in the kitchen, busy or whatever. And I was only 14 or 15 at the time too. Of coarse, when I told her, she would dump them, only to find another one who seemed to think in the same disgusting way as the last. 98% of them were sleazy like that. She was always saying "Are there no decent men in this world who wont try to screw my daughter when I'm not looking?" I must say that is the reason I choose to be celibate.

[fluffho]

so lets say all of these men were black

would you then make these generalizations about black people?

[fluffho]

you also have to ask yourself..

what sort of people are you and your mother attracting?

there is a reason why you these guys are magnetized to you/her... ... YOU... HER...

[StepfatherFan]

Originally posted by fluffho
so lets say all of these men were black

would you then make these generalizations about black people?

Of coarse not. Because race has nothing to do with biologics. Racial discrimination is based on their physical appearence. Men are men, regardless of race, but men and women are different for MORE THAN OBVIOUS REASONS.

[StepfatherFan]

Originally posted by fluffho
you also have to ask yourself..

what sort of people are you and your mother attracting?

there is a reason why you these guys are magnetized to you/her... ... YOU... HER...

Attracting? What do you mean? Most of them were business men. One was an insurance salesman, the other was a mortician. So, exactly what are you trying to imply?

[StepfatherFan]

Originally posted by fluffho
you also have to ask yourself..

what sort of people are you and your mother attracting?

there is a reason why you these guys are magnetized to you/her... ... YOU... HER...

PS You sound like one of those people who are into blaming victoms for a criminal's actions towards them.

[fluffho]

well there is a reason why we get along with certain people..

there are cliques in high school, there are people you are drawn to and people you arent

all im saying, is if this is all you came across. it makes me wonder. i attracted all sorts of guys, dumb smart, kick ass, losers.. everything

and when you say all youve been in contact with were pigs makes me wonder

dont sit there and talk so badly of men and remember every man was once a female (back in the womb) and dont even bring biology into it.

racism, sexism, generalizations do us no good doesnt matter if bio is involved or not.

[StepfatherFan]

Originally posted by fluffho
well there is a reason why we get along with certain people..

there are cliques in high school, there are people you are drawn to and people you arent

all im saying, is if this is all you came across. it makes me wonder. i attracted all sorts of guys, dumb smart, kick ass, losers.. everything

and when you say all youve been in contact with were pigs makes me wonder

dont sit there and talk so badly of men and remember every man was once a female (back in the womb) and dont even bring biology into it.

racism, sexism, generalizations do us no good doesnt matter if bio is involved or not.

Well, I CERTAINLY do commend you for knowing about how all babies are females when first developing. BUT The things I have said are true, in my expieriance. You can't dictate to me what I have expierianced, and what I have not, and how I should feel about those situations. I'm entitled to my opinion and I plan to keep it.

[fluffho]

well. if you really want to be a man hater then fine

i personally have better things to do than to be angry at people just for being who they are

not to mention i have a great bf that loves me very much :D

Hi DIZZLER

[StepfatherFan]

Originally posted by fluffho
well. if you really want to be a man hater then fine

i personally have better things to do than to be angry at people just for being who they are

not to mention i have a great bf that loves me very much :D

Hi DIZZLER

How many times must I say this in order to get it through you people's thick skulls?

I DO NOT HATE MEN I hate some men's attitudes and the way they behave. If I hate men so much, then tell me this, WHY am I constantly talking about Terry O'Quinn and posting his naked ass pics on this site? Yeah Ho', that really makes sense. By the way, I was disscusing this with Sam, not you. PS As for your boyfriend who "loves" you so much, I'm sure that if saaaay......Angelina Jolie walked up to him and offered to give him a blow job, he would scarf up on the oppertunity without even thinking twice about how much damage it would do to your relationship with him. That is, if he would even tell you he did it. A lot of guys like to lie about that shit. They firgure that your better off not knowing about it. Don't tell me about men, I'm older than you and have more expieriance with the subject. I used to think like you, then I woke up and started living in REALITY.

[fluffho]

... yuo are a very angry person. but if thats how you wanna be fine

all i can say is i have a great bf and my greatest friends ive ever had were guys

and no, hes not the one that cheated on me. it was the opposite actually

but hey.. more guys for me!! MUAHHAHAHAAHAA

anyways.. im gorgeous so who else would he need?

[StepfatherFan]

Originally posted by fluffho
... yuo are a very angry person. but if thats how you wanna be fine

all i can say is i have a great bf and my greatest friends ive ever had were guys

and no, hes not the one that cheated on me. it was the opposite actually

but hey.. more guys for me!! MUAHHAHAHAAHAA

anyways.. im gorgeous so who else would he need?

Honey, Uma Thurman is gorgous too, but that didn't keep Ethan Hawke out of another woman's bed.

[fluffho]

well many think jennifer aniston is beautiful

and she and brad have been together for quite some time now..

jada and will have beeen goin strong.. lots of couples

anyways u cant compare celebrity couples
theres lots more than looks that breaks them up they have hectic schedules and hardly see each other and thats hard on ANY relationship no matter how ugly, beautiful, loyal

[StepfatherFan]

Originally posted by fluffho
well many think jennifer aniston is beautiful

and she and brad have been together for quite some time now..

jada and will have beeen goin strong.. lots of couples

anyways u cant compare celebrity couples
theres lots more than looks that breaks them up they have hectic schedules and hardly see each other and thats hard on ANY relationship no matter how ugly, beautiful, loyal

Yes, those are 2 good examples. But men like Brad and Will are hard to come by.

[Arioch]

I DO NOT HATE MEN I hate some men's attitudes and the way they behave. If I hate men so much, then tell me this, WHY am I constantly talking about Terry O'Quinn and posting his naked ass pics on this site? Yeah Ho', that really makes sense. By the way, I was disscusing this with Sam, not you. PS As for your boyfriend who "loves" you so much, I'm sure that if saaaay......Angelina Jolie walked up to him and offered to give him a blow job, he would scarf up on the oppertunity without even thinking twice about how much damage it would do to your relationship with him. That is, if he would even tell you he did it. A lot of guys like to lie about that shit. They firgure that your better off not knowing about it. Don't tell me about men, I'm older than you and have more expieriance with the subject. I used to think like you, then I woke up and started living in REALITY.

You know what?THats really sad. The fact that youve had problems with guys so you think they are all not loyal and would cheat on you and break you in a heart beat. I understand you point of view and felt the same way about women (still do sometimes)

Ive been nothing but the nice guy, who treats women like princesses every day. Only to be cheated on and broken more times than i can count. Believe me nice guys ARE out there. And they WOULD treat you like you deserve to be treated. But youll never notice them becuase they're not the bad boy, the attention getter, they are the quiet guys in the corner worshiping you from afar and youll probably go through your whole life never knowing it.

[Mr_Dizzle]

No, Stepfatherfan, I wouldn't do anything like that.

Sorry, I don't cheat on the girl I love.

Even if they do cheat on me.

[StepfatherFan]

Originally posted by Arioch
You know what?THats really sad. The fact that youve had problems with guys so you think they are all not loyal and would cheat on you and break you in a heart beat. I understand you point of view and felt the same way about women (still do sometimes)

Ive been nothing but the nice guy, who treats women like princesses every day. Only to be cheated on and broken more times than i can count. Believe me nice guys ARE out there. And they WOULD treat you like you deserve to be treated. But youll never notice them becuase they're not the bad boy, the attention getter, they are the quiet guys in the corner worshiping you from afar and youll probably go through your whole life never knowing it.

Well, thank you for your response. What you say makes a lot of sense and all. If women have done you like that, then you are entitled to hold some resentment towards them. THAT is a real reason for a guy to have problems with women, not because he feels them to be inferior. I'm sorry that your girlfriends have cheated on you. Ive never actualy had a guy cheat on me, but Ive seen them do it to my friends or family. Your right about the "bad boy" thing. It seems that no matter how much I would like to be with a good guy, they never seem to have any appeal to me. I don't know, maybe I'm just a masochist. Maybe your the same because you seem to always get involved with the bad girls. Who knows. I'm pretty happy with being celibate and drooling over famous men. LOL Besides, my son is the focas of my life, not some guy. Anyway, you really said some meaningful things. I can tell that you have a good head on your shoulders. :)

[Haunted]

Listen, I know where SFF is coming from. I've had some SERIOUSLY bad situations with men (nuff said). The reaction is almost a type of shock. It just takes a breakthrough. Yelling at her is not going to change anything. In fact, it's just going to make it worse.

Sometimes it just takes someone. My ex was great. He was wonderful. We're not together any more because he lived very far away. For awhile I was really angry at him, but then I realized how great he was. My point is, you can't be told that men aren't all evil. You have to see it.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Haunted
My point is, you can't be told that men aren't all evil. You have to see it.

I used to think that all men were the same...I was recently proven wrong...

Oh man, was I proven wrong!...LOL;) :)

[StepfatherFan]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
I used to think that all men were the same...I was recently proven wrong...

Oh man, was I proven wrong!...LOL;) :)

hehe Sounds like it was an enjoyable expieriance. :D

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by StepfatherFan
hehe Sounds like it was an enjoyable expieriance. :D


Still is...:)

[Dr.Kelvinstein]

There's a book that deals with this topic that's somewhat of a classic in horror film theory; it's called Men, Women, and Chain Saws, by the feminist Carol Clover. She's also a talking head in a lot of horror documentaries, especially that great one called American Nightmares IFC did two Halloweens back.

She's the one who coined the term "Final Girl" to describe the last girl in every slasher movie, and now it's used in every serious book about horror. Definitely worth checking out.

[Sam The Egg]

I'm reluctant to read anything by a feminist, lest I be told I'm evil for having a penis

[StepfatherFan]

Originally posted by Sam The Egg
I'm reluctant to read anything by a feminist, lest I be told I'm evil for having a penis

I understand, Sam. Which is the same reason why I am reluctant to watch shows like The Supranos, or movies like Raging Bull, where women are treated like garbage cans and slapped and called whore or bitch every five minutes. I don't like movies which suggest that women are evil because they want to get through one day without being discriminated against.

[Sam The Egg]

have you even seen either of those things? I shouldn't even have to bother with the Sopranos, and Raging Bull was a character study, not a glorification. Get a sense of context for the love of God

[StepfatherFan]

Originally posted by Sam The Egg
have you even seen either of those things? I shouldn't even have to bother with the Sopranos, and Raging Bull was a character study, not a glorification. Get a sense of context for the love of God

Oh, I guess I'm not entitled to my opinion. As you so often say "lighten up." :cool:

[Sam The Egg]

You're entitled to your opinion on things you've seen, but you haven't answered the question.
Have you even seen either of those? The actions aren't glorified.

[Sam The Egg]

As you so often say "lighten up."
Difference is, 99% of the time I am lightened up.

[Dr.Kelvinstein]

I think horror needs more women writers and directors; Anne Rice has moved further and further into fantasy, and Poppy Z. has never had any of her works translated into film.

I LOVE exploitaion, don't get me wrong, but for too long horror has had a "boys only" attititude---most of the titilation has dealt with women in peril, or worse (branded, whipped, etc). I think it's wrong to blow this up and say all horror movies humiliate and degrade women, but I think it does reflect the twelve-year-old boy mentality of the genre as a whole.

[donniedarko3]

blah blah blah...



there are two types of women in the slasher. theres the slut with the big boobs and cut off jean shorts that does the majority of the screaming (in bed and while being chased by the killer); and then there is the intelligent, strong-willed survivor that ends up either escaping the killer or kicking his ass and then escaping him.
I feel its a good representation of how women are in society too. There are the ones that dont bring any respect to themselves and endure degradation for attention and survival. Then there are the ones that endure all opposition and prevail in situations the may be difficult using their intelligence and other capabilities. And who knows, she might have big boobs too. Who says that the intelligent survivor cant be attractive?

I actually respect women far more than I respect men just because most of them that I have encountered have used their brains more than men ever will. Unfortunately there are also those "bimbos" out there that give other women bad names.

Im tired as hell right now, does any of this make sense?

[Dr.Kelvinstein]

So your argument is that life breaks down into a slasher movie. I'm sure Ed Gein would agree. Too bad he's not alive, you could go over to his house and drink Kool-Aid from skull-cups.

[avenged_soul]

Originally posted by keiner
how do you think that women represented in the slasher?


like scared little girls who always run to their mommies!!!! or was that the men......???????:p -hehe- im a girl and i find myself to be very intimidating!!!!!! FEAR ME ONE AND ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or pretend im not even here. w/e i dont care.

[nightbreed]

Originally posted by Dr.Kelvinstein
So your argument is that life breaks down into a slasher movie. I'm sure Ed Gein would agree. Too bad he's not alive, you could go over to his house and drink Kool-Aid from skull-cups.

lol!

[StepfatherFan]

Originally posted by donniedarko3
blah blah blah...



there are two types of women in the slasher. theres the slut with the big boobs and cut off jean shorts that does the majority of the screaming (in bed and while being chased by the killer); and then there is the intelligent, strong-willed survivor that ends up either escaping the killer or kicking his ass and then escaping him.
I feel its a good representation of how women are in society too. There are the ones that dont bring any respect to themselves and endure degradation for attention and survival. Then there are the ones that endure all opposition and prevail in situations the may be difficult using their intelligence and other capabilities. And who knows, she might have big boobs too. Who says that the intelligent survivor cant be attractive?

I actually respect women far more than I respect men just because most of them that I have encountered have used their brains more than men ever will. Unfortunately there are also those "bimbos" out there that give other women bad names.

Im tired as hell right now, does any of this make sense?

That actualy made a LOT of sense. We need more guys like you on the board. ;) Good post.

[Sam The Egg]

I actually respect women far more than I respect men just because most of them that I have encountered have used their brains more than men ever will.
Funny, most people I know (I know a lot of women, too) don't have any brains to use in the first place.

95% of the people in the world are idiots, no matter the gender.

[StepfatherFan]

Originally posted by Sam The Egg
95% of the people in the world are idiots, no matter the gender.

Does this percentage include or exclude yourself?

[Sam The Egg]

I have personal bias, but the people who know me personally have put me in the 5%

And before anybody says anything about it, yes, women make up the majority of the 5% by virtue of the fact that women make up the majority of the population.

[fluffho]

i too am in the 5%

[StepfatherFan]

Originally posted by Sam The Egg
I have personal bias, but the people who know me personally have put me in the 5%

And before anybody says anything about it, yes, women make up the majority of the 5% by virtue of the fact that women make up the majority of the population.

Yes, there ARE more women than men in the world, and yet its still a man's world. Go figure.:rolleyes: You know, I almost had a cow last night when I checked out your profile for the first time and realised that your birthdate is the same as mine.

PS Terry O'Quinn's is the 15th of July. Heh You certainly don't behave like the typical Cancer. Then again, neither do I. Probably because of the Leo rising.

[Sam The Egg]

Astrology horrorscope stuff = ZZZZZzzzzzzzzz

[StepfatherFan]

Originally posted by Sam The Egg
Astrology horrorscope stuff = ZZZZZzzzzzzzzz

Well, I LOVE astrology. Its one of my favorite hobbies. Its surprisingly accurate.