9/11 - 7 years later

[MisterSadistro]

I just looked at the time on my comp and realized today is now the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. I was curious to what other HDC members feel or remember about it.
It seemed like the media was clamoring about it over the last few years and now it's just a byline about another small memorial stone somewhere. How far behind us have we put that day ? Personally, I remember seeing footage of people jumping from the towers and that stuck with me the most. I have a huge fear of heights and had nightmares for weeks afterwards of being in that horrible situation. All the talk of hunting down bin Laden seems to have faded into a not so pleasant memory and all is forgotten. Have we become so complacent or is waiting to see who will win the next 'American Idol' become so much of a distraction that nobody cares about closure because we can't see past the last commercial break ?
CK

[The Flayed One]

Sadly enough, it seems to be quickly slipping into the annals of history, ala Pearl Harbor Day. I remember where I was, what I was doing and how it affected me, as most people do. However, (and I can't claim to have been around for Pearl Harbor, so I can't make the comparison) this date has become so politically charged with the Bush administration that the date will most likely lose its meaning for decades.

I did this thread I think about two years ago. I'll see if I can dig it up to compare thoughts from then and now.

Thanks for starting this, though. It's always appreciated to me when people like to discuss life changing moments in history, especially the ones we've lived through.

[MisterSadistro]

It seems like many of us get caught up in whatever new DVD has the most horror to it, yet sadly enough we have become desensitized to real life horror in our every day lives.
I remember exactly what was going on that day. My alarm went off because I had to pick up my kids from school that morning and since I always woke up to the Howard Stern Show, I thought it was some kind of gag at first. It was dragging on and never an indication of being "funny" that I figured I had set the wrong station when I was going to sleep because none of it was settling in when I was waking. On a side note, Chicago was the only market that went to local news rather than broadcasting the Stern show that day. I've downloaded it since and as an avid listener, it is truly scary to listen to in retrospect.
I watched the second tower collapse on tv as I was getting dressed to pick up the kids. There was almost a stunned silence in the schoolyard because all the parents knew what had happened, but kept their thoughts to themselves. I told my oldest at the time (who was 6) about what had happened. She asked "why did they do that ?". It was one of the few times I was at a loss for words. The best I could tell her was "there are some people in the world that really hate us that much". That's when I finally felt mad and hurt because it was suddenly real to me.
CK

[Abominus]

What Bush turned the 9/11 tragedy into trivialized what happened. The war seems to be what people remember because they continue to deal with it 7 years later and the 2700(?) or so people become a monument and an afterthought.

[novakru]

My family is still deeply affected by it.
And just because I do not celebrate this horrible day, does not mean I am just waiting for the newest DVD's.


When we were in NYC , we wanted to visit Ground Zero.
They are building Freedom Tower over thousands of dead people.
I find that barbaric and disrepectful on a monumental scale.
And I do not CARE what kind of fucking memorial you put in the new building.

The whole point of moving on is not lost on me but to just build over?
Um, no, sorry- that's really fucked up.IMHO.

[urgeok2]

I remember i like it was yesterday - almost every detail.
It's something i still think about constantly.
(in fact - i dont refer to it as 911 - as to me that's like a trivializing nickname.
(like referring to Phantom of the Opera : Phantom ... or Les Miserable : Les Miz)

The overall impact for me was horror - and the realization that it was something that changed the world. And that it was something that could reoccur at any time.


but the point form items that stood out in my mind :


1) my disgust at the media - it was clear that to many of them - it was an event they had been waiting for their entire careers - there was almost a glee on the faces of these reporters - thrilled to be included and in the front lines of something so important. It made me want to puke.

2) the human race is extremely resilient. At the time i thought there was no way people would ever get past this - but they did. Not in a cold way - but a survivalist way.

3) Despite how i feel about the human race in general (a blight upon the planet) i was actually proud of the way the potential for an anti-muslim reaction was avoided.
Had this happened 40 years ago - interment camps would have set up everywhere full of muslims dragged from their homes... Like the japanese in WWII. Instead a lot of effort went into fighting this.

Part of me (i dont believe the conpiracy theorists) always felt that the only motivation for the attack was to promt an anti-muslim movement - giving the muslims all over the world cause to unite - triggering a large scale holy war.- based on what some expected would be the reaction of the americans. but it didnt come and i was suprised - and proud at how far we've come. (even though there's stilla long way to go)

it was something i'll never forget. the most horrific aspect - the unexpectedness of it.

[ferretchucker]

I remember coming back from school and seeing on the TV. My mum said this was one of the worst things I'd ever hear about in my life. I didn't understand how bad it was when it happened.

I've never forgotten it and I don't think anybody has. They just don't like to dwell on the bad past, but instead look forward to a better future. I was thinking about it often today and did my minute of silence. It's a terrible event that may seem to have died down, but certain things, a good example being you making this thread, show people still think about it. But as I said, if we spoke about it too much it would lose it's effect on us, and though I'm not saying it's a good thing to be sad, I think some things need to provoke emotion.

I too hate refering to it as 9/11. I find it makes it just a date instead of an event.

[Vodstok]

I still remember it all vividly, when i do think about it. How you view it depends largely on how it affected you. i rarely ever think about it, and when I do, it is just an unpleasant memory. There is no disrespect in this, i was not directly affected in any way, so its like Hurricane Katrina and the indonesian tsunami a few years back; it was horrific, but it changed nothignin my day to day life, so while i am aware of it, it doesnt hold any special meaning for me.


Pearl harbor, the holocaust, hell WW2 in general, cahnged the world, and there are people who still walk around with it every day, but for most of us, its just history, another event in a series of events that make up our lives. Its important to remember the lessons (if there were any), and to be sensitive of those who it IS a big deal for, but beyond that... I dont know.


Fo rthe record, I made a point to tell my family I loved them when i stopped by after work (mom, dad, sister) that day, and not one o fthem said anythign back. 7 years later, i dont speak to them any more. THAT is the one thing that sticks with me most.

[ferretchucker]

Fo rthe record, I made a point to tell my family I loved them when i stopped by after work (mom, dad, sister) that day, and not one o fthem said anythign back. 7 years later, i dont speak to them any more. THAT is the one thing that sticks with me most.


That sucks. Is that a reason you don't speak to them anymore or something else happened, you just remember this?

[Ferox13]

I too hate refering to it as 9/11. I find it makes it just a date instead of an event.

It make you sound American too.

[Vodstok]

That sucks. Is that a reason you don't speak to them anymore or something else happened, you just remember this?
I just remember it. i have plenty of other reasons to not speak to them. :)

It make you sound American too.
Go forbid! Jeez, you make it sound like we're "dirty". I mean, in a bad way.


i can understand it though/ Aside from the fact that most everybody has at least some loyalty to their home country and a little patriotism, of all the countries in the world to NOT get mixed up with, i would say America is the topper. in a crowd of thousands, of multiple nationalities, who is the one who most likely has a big bullseye painted on him?

its not the canadian, thats for damn sure. Hell, the only person from there that could close to offending someone is MD and she is a girl. Even terrorists dont pick on girls.

[Papillon Noir]

I thought these were interesting. It's amazing how one event can change so much.

Unfortunate Old World Trade Center Ads: http://www.oddee.com/item_96465.aspx

[The Mothman]

They are building Freedom Tower over thousands of dead people.
I find that barbaric and disrepectful on a monumental scale.
And I do not CARE what kind of fucking memorial you put in the new building.



I didnt even know they were building something there, i guess im pretty oblivious. i think its a good idea though, it's symbolic of how America can bounce back from tragedies, and i know if i had died there, i would have been perfectly happy about a skyscraper being built in my memorial. do you know if its going to be as high/higher than the twin towers?

[ferretchucker]

I didnt even know they were building something there, i guess im pretty oblivious. i think its a good idea though, it's symbolic of how America can bounce back from tragedies, and i know if i had died there, i would have been perfectly happy about a skyscraper being built in my memorial. do you know if its going to be as high/higher than the twin towers?

1,776 feet. Because of 1776 when the declaration of independence was signed.


And Vod, you're right. In the last few years America seems to be hated simply because of Bush. Yeh, the stereotypes were around long before him but really, he has pretty much stuck a sign to his back saying hate me. Best thing for the representative of the US to do. And it's rubbed off on England. There was a competition called the Eurovision song contest. England, Germany, Spain and France paid the most into it. But the trouble is, it is all politics. Greece votes for cyprus. Every ex soviet country vote for russia and others.

England last year came dead last with only one vote and that was from Ireland. Shows how well liked we are. If our governments would just stop to think about the effects of their intervention in other countries maybe we wouldn't be hated!

[Festered]

I was in the middle of remodeling a house, that morning, when a helper came in to tell me a plane crashed into the building. I thought he was joking, until I heard the reports on the radio. I lived about 5 minutes from the job, and took the morning off to rush home and see what was going on. I thought we were being invaded by another country. I got home in time to see the second plane hit the other tower, live. Needless to say, my jaw had dropped down, somewhere around my feet. I spent the rest of the day, just shaking my head in amazement.

Ironically, my birthday is Sept. 12. If this had happened one day later, everyone would remember my birthday....for a change.:rolleyes:

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

time to move on and stop having 9.11 anniversaries :rolleyes:

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

oh and we ARE just that complacent

[ChronoGrl]

I thought these were interesting. It's amazing how one event can change so much.

Unfortunate Old World Trade Center Ads: http://www.oddee.com/item_96465.aspx

I love irony - Thanks for the link.

time to move on and stop having 9.11 anniversaries :rolleyes:

I ALSO love MD. I feel the same way.

[Phalanx]

I remember being woken up and shown the footage as it played for the first time over here (AUS), and I actually thought (and asked which) I was being shown a movie...Yeah, I found it shocking and fucked up...but always had in mind that the people that did it weren't representative of a large number of the nationality, or even the religion...and yeah, I figured things would turn out a lot worse in that respect, I am honestly surprised they didn't.
7 years on, yeah I still remember it - I still think it was fucked up, but it doesn't play on my mind all that often. Had any of my family been effected remotely, might've been different. I don't watch the movies that will no doubt be played year in, year out, in fact I don't even try to think about it - it's just depressing.

[MisterSadistro]

Stumbled upon this today by accident. Makes sense.
BIN LADEN IS DEAD (http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/osama_dead.html?q=osama_dead.html)

[newb]

Stumbled upon this today by accident. Makes sense.
BIN LADEN IS DEAD (http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/osama_dead.html?q=osama_dead.html)

wouldn't surprise me

[Festered]

Actually, Bush has got him in a box(like the Gimp). They plan on "capturing" him a day and a half before the election.

[illdojo]

time to move on and stop having 9.11 anniversaries :rolleyes:
Yep.

Actually, Bush has got him in a box(like the Gimp). They plan on "capturing" him a day and a half before the election.
Shit....It "seriously" wouldn't shock me.

[ChronoGrl]

Actually, Bush has got him in a box(like the Gimp). They plan on "capturing" him a day and a half before the election.

Thought crossed my mind, too. I'm WAITING for the Republicans to pull something...

[urgeok2]

time to move on and stop having 9.11 anniversaries :rolleyes:



i think people have moved on - but i think it's important to remember.
not to obsess over or dwell on - just remember.

it''s nothing we want repeated ever again on any scale, anywhere - and there are thousands of people who's job it is to make sure it doesn't.

I didnt even realize it was the anniversary to be honest - until i saw the thread. it's just something that is never far from my mnd.

[ferretchucker]

I would be willing to put £100 on the fact that Binladen is dead, and has been for a long time.

[illdojo]

*Thread Derail*

So... who likes ice cream?

[Vodstok]

"ties everything back together, because I'm a writer and I do that"


I love ice cream, and I would like to have a patriotic Red White and Blue sunday in Bin Laden's empty skull. Because he's dead. He must be, the internets I found on the Google said so.

[illdojo]

"ties everything back together, because I'm a writer and I do that"


I love ice cream, and I would like to have a patriotic Red White and Blue sunday in Bin Laden's empty skull. Because he's dead. He must be, the internets I found on the Google said so.

:D ......................

[urgeok2]

i cant eat icecream - one teaspoon of it would wreck my next 3 days.

i like several of the lactose free substitues though

[illdojo]

i cant eat icecream - one teaspoon of it would wreck my next 3 days.

i like several of the lactose free substitues though

Sorry to hear that, bro.....Hooray for substitutes.

[Vodstok]

i cant eat icecream - one teaspoon of it would wreck my next 3 days.

i like several of the lactose free substitues though
Here in the land of LIBERTY, we hate terrorists like bin laden, who may be dead, and we have Lactaid pills that suppress lactose intolerance abd allow us to eat all kinds of dairy products, Like ice cream with apple pie, and a chocolate milk shake with our Freedom Fries.

You socialist commie pinkos in Canada must not have the freedom to not get the bends from milk products. At least you can go to the mergency room for next to nothing. :)

[urgeok2]

Sorry to hear that, bro.....Hooray for substitutes.


i deal with it ok ... the only problem somes when i eat something milk based accidentally - because i didnt know or was careless and forgot to check.

the smallest amount gets immediate results.

a whole lifetime drinking milk (with cereal) every morning, then a year ago - bang - instant intolerance..

[urgeok2]

and we have Lactaid pills that suppress lactose intolerance abd allow us to eat all kinds of dairy products,


fuck that crap - i tried it and it did nothing.

plus - i cant eat french fries either - lactose is in the darkening agent.
found that out the hard way.

[illdojo]

a whole lifetime drinking milk (with cereal) every morning, then a year ago - bang - instant intolerance..

Damn dude...that's harsh.
I fucking love cereal and I definitely love ice cold 2% milk.

[Vodstok]

fuck that crap - i tried it and it did nothing.

plus - i cant eat french fries either - lactose is in the darkening agent.
found that out the hard way.
Lactose is made by the terrorists. Its more subtle than Anthrax; its part of their attempt to make the western world consume itself in its own waste.

If you had BLUE in your flag like Old Glory, you would be safe. :)

What do you call your flag in Canada? Its got a big leaf on it. A tree leaf. Would that make it "Old Woody"?

And your national symbol is the beaver.

Hmm...


"Beaver and Old Woody". Mounties.



OK, Canada seems way cooler suddenly. :)

[urgeok2]

i think we just call it The Maple Leaf.

but yeah, i'd rather get me some beaver then some eagle anyday.

canada was/is always cooler ... sadly, in every sense of the word.


we legalized gay marriages
we have no bible belt
we are cool with nudity (its legal for women to be topless)
we have free medicare
our leades are quiter, smarter, and under better control

sure, we arent big, bad, and dangerous ... but we're cool.

[Vodstok]

i think we just call it The Maple Leaf.

but yeah, i'd rather get me some beaver then some eagle anyday.

canada was/is always cooler ... sadly, in every sense of the word.


we legalized gay marriages
we have no bible belt
we are cool with nudity (its legal for women to be topless)
we have free medicare
our leades are quiter, smarter, and under better control

sure, we arent big, bad, and dangerous ... but we're cool.
Other cool things about canada:
One of the few places on earth with wolverines
They bleed maple syrup
American currancy is worht more than their children.


Dont ask me why i pick on canada so much....


I think its like picking on the Amish. Its not like they are going to hit back. And you can pick on america all you want, thats like beating up a retarded kid. Its too easy. :)

[urgeok2]

Dont ask me why i pick on canada so much....




because you want to live here and your american blood is screaming bloody traitor at you ..

it's like the homosexual that hates gays :D

[Vodstok]

because you want to live here and your american blood is screaming bloody traitor at you ..

it's like the homosexual that hates gays :D
so... Im a self-loathing closet canadian?

hah!

My mother's side of the family comes from canada. My grandmother is from Quebec and my grandfather is first generation American from canada. And my mother's family sucks... So maybe its not that after all...