View Full Version : Sept 10 Hadron Collider whatsis?
Phalanx
09-08-2008, 07:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-8DKeXi32U
Can't say I'd even heard of the thing, seems a few freakouts about it.
Can't see it doing much - a project conducted on the basis of replicating the event of a theory of what "may have been".
That said looks like a big enough machine to fuck something up...reminds me of the dealy in terminator 3...ha.
Anyone bothered by this?
I recall humans went ahead and tested an explosive device they theorised might burn up the entire atmposphere before, this doesn't surprise me.
ferretchucker
09-08-2008, 07:11 AM
We spoke about this in Philosophy and Ethics class today. The Hadron Collider is meant to spin two particles (i think) around the 17 mile circuit under the city. Evetually, when they get to nearly the speed of light, completeing the circuit with about 7,000,000 of a second, they'll let them touch. This should recreate the environment instantly after the big bang. Literally, about 10,000 of a second after. Then they'll observe it.
POSSIBLE BAD THINGS
1. It will make several mini black holes that within four years can expand to eat the Earth.
2. It makes strangelets. They will proceed to turn the Earth into grey goo. (Seriously).
3. It will make another big bang, blowing up the earth from the inside.
So. Who's looking forward to Wednesday?
Papillon Noir
09-08-2008, 07:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-8DKeXi32U
Can't say I'd even heard of the thing, seems a few freakouts about it.
Can't see it doing much - a project conducted on the basis of replicating the event of a theory of what "may have been".
That said looks like a big enough machine to fuck something up...reminds me of the dealy in terminator 3...ha.
Anyone bothered by this?
I recall humans went ahead and tested an explosive device they theorised might burn up the entire atmposphere before, this doesn't surprise me.
Yeah, I heard about this. Check out this cracked.com article about it: http://www.cracked.com/article_16583_5-scientific-experiments-most-likely-end-world.html They want to recreate the Big Bang Theory. So, yeah, this could turn out really bad.
Abominus
09-08-2008, 01:02 PM
I'm not concerned and believe it will be really interesting to see the results no matter what. I think the worst possible result would be nothing, or very little in the way of new information after the billions of dollars spent and the thousands of physicists involved.
bloody_ribcut
09-08-2008, 01:33 PM
that sucks. i get paid on the fourteenth, that means i have to die sober.
X¤MurderDoll¤X
09-08-2008, 02:44 PM
that sucks. i get paid on the fourteenth, that means i have to die sober.
LOL
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ChronoGrl
09-08-2008, 03:39 PM
We spoke about this in Philosophy and Ethics class today. The Hadron Collider is meant to spin two particles (i think) around the 17 mile circuit under the city. Evetually, when they get to nearly the speed of light, completeing the circuit with about 7,000,000 of a second, they'll let them touch. This should recreate the environment instantly after the big bang. Literally, about 10,000 of a second after. Then they'll observe it.
POSSIBLE BAD THINGS
1. It will make several mini black holes that within four years can expand to eat the Earth.
2. It makes strangelets. They will proceed to turn the Earth into grey goo. (Seriously).
3. It will make another big bang, blowing up the earth from the inside.
So. Who's looking forward to Wednesday?
Good God.
I wish that I had a Philosophy and Ethics class when I was in Middle School. *jealous*
Anyway.
The chances of those Possible Bad Things are actually very, very slim, but I LOVE it when the "caveats" come out, like, "Oh, well, this COULD happen." ha
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I'm actually pretty much geeking out over the results. Can't wait.
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And if it destroys the world...
I'LL SEE YOU ALL IN HELL
X¤MurderDoll¤X
09-08-2008, 03:57 PM
who cares? what are we going to gain from this? someone explain why I should care.
ChronoGrl
09-08-2008, 04:03 PM
We can see what the universe was like just moments after the Big Bang. Essentially the Beginning of Life.
(yes, I am a tool)
http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/gallery/images/ProfessorFrink2.gif
X¤MurderDoll¤X
09-08-2008, 05:06 PM
this is important why though? I mean nerd orgasms aside.
cool.....I was looking for a reason to drink on a Tuesday night.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/rockinmule/abale.jpg
ChronoGrl
09-09-2008, 05:13 AM
this is important why though? I mean nerd orgasms aside.
Because, essentially, while scientists have theorized about the Big Bang, there is still some uncertainty as to the initial development of lifeforms as we know it.
The Hadron Collider should hopefully fill the gap in the study and analysis of Origin.
Then again, there's this base part of me that's geeking out about the fact that we can replicate the Big Bang at all... That's just absolutely fascinating to me and I can't wait to see the findings.
ferretchucker
09-09-2008, 07:03 AM
Yeh. What they're doing happens all the time in nature and it does make black holes which do fizzle out. Only now, they can control and study it. It'll be a bit interesting. I don't know if they'll find anything from it. I don't think it was the big bang that made life. I think the big bang possibly made the universe as we know it, but not life. I think some other thing to do with particles did that.
Oh and apparently, there's a 1 in 50,000,000 chance we all die. This means you have more chance of being sucked into a black hole/ blown up/ made into grey goo than you do of winning the lottery.
missmacabre
09-09-2008, 10:34 AM
My one friend is physics major, and she explained months ago about what could theoretically happen as a result of using this hadron collider. I can understand black holes and shit but when she said the world could turn into grey goo I laughed so hard.
Pretty excited about the results though.
bloody_ribcut
09-10-2008, 05:17 AM
HEY.....We're still here
maybe in the late afternoon....
Papillon Noir
09-10-2008, 05:41 AM
It only started today, but it may be a few weeks before they will get to the point where black holes would form.
X¤MurderDoll¤X
09-10-2008, 09:27 AM
Because, essentially, while scientists have theorized about the Big Bang, there is still some uncertainty as to the initial development of lifeforms as we know it.
The Hadron Collider should hopefully fill the gap in the study and analysis of Origin.
Then again, there's this base part of me that's geeking out about the fact that we can replicate the Big Bang at all... That's just absolutely fascinating to me and I can't wait to see the findings.
They won't discover anything. ;)
Disease
09-10-2008, 09:29 AM
So that was today and we are still here. Maybe I should go get some booze though just in case there is a delayed reaction...
ferretchucker
09-10-2008, 12:33 PM
They turned it on today and put it up to speed but they didn't let the HAdrons collide. That's in a few days/ weeks I think.
Vodstok
09-10-2008, 07:00 PM
I read the cracked.com article last week about this :)
I love that they point out that the scientists who are running the LHC, when confronted with the question of "what about the possibility of destroying all life as we know it?" their response was essentially "We wont know until we switch it on. Duh."
And to answer MD: they are eggheads. For many of them, they want to know, that is it. Although, if they do make some major and practical breakthroughs in quantum science, and learn how to make it useful to us, you can throw all the rules that govern society out the window, because the quatum world doesnt beleieve in them. It opens the possibilty of dimensional travel, teleportation and things like that.
Just remember, if a portal is opened, and you runout of gas, JUST WAIT A FEW FUCKING MINUTES. Godamn... 4 bullets kills monsters. Granted, old people and a kid in a car make easier targets....
MisterSadistro
09-10-2008, 10:23 PM
Is it just me or do actual experiments like this end up getting thwarted when they go bad by Spiderman ? The last I remember, experiments like this and Spiderman were only in the comics/movies so when eggheads are saying it might possibly end life as we know it/ turn the earth into goo and seriously MEAN end all life as we know it/ turn the earth into goo when we don't really have Spiderman seems, well, FREAKIN' INSANE !
I never thought I would agree with fascism and support killing off scientists for our own good until I read this thread. Suspecting the outcome of an experiment and saying something like "we don't know yet until we do it" is ridiculous. If I thought lighting an M-80 in my hand would blow my fingers off because I suspected it, but wouldn't actually know until I did it seems like a decent example of Natural Selection (tm), because I'd be pretty damn stupid to do that when that was the likely conclusion. The difference is these guys are lighting M-80s in everyone's hands. They couldn't have used their time, knowledge and money to work on something a little more worthwhile like making plant life survive in deserts, curing cancer or shutting Rosie O'Donnell up after she is no longer on tv ? We're stuck here now so work on those problems.
CK
Vodstok
09-11-2008, 07:07 AM
Is it just me or do actual experiments like this end up getting thwarted when they go bad by Spiderman ? The last I remember, experiments like this and Spiderman were only in the comics/movies so when eggheads are saying it might possibly end life as we know it/ turn the earth into goo and seriously MEAN end all life as we know it/ turn the earth into goo when we don't really have Spiderman seems, well, FREAKIN' INSANE !
I never thought I would agree with fascism and support killing off scientists for our own good until I read this thread. Suspecting the outcome of an experiment and saying something like "we don't know yet until we do it" is ridiculous. If I thought lighting an M-80 in my hand would blow my fingers off because I suspected it, but wouldn't actually know until I did it seems like a decent example of Natural Selection (tm), because I'd be pretty damn stupid to do that when that was the likely conclusion. The difference is these guys are lighting M-80s in everyone's hands. They couldn't have used their time, knowledge and money to work on something a little more worthwhile like making plant life survive in deserts, curing cancer or shutting Rosie O'Donnell up after she is no longer on tv ? We're stuck here now so work on those problems.
CK
I think they are continuing on basically because everything that has been said to date is hypothetical at best, and the doomsday scenarios are so infintesimally unlikely that they are not considered actual concerns. Reading through the cracked.com lists also mentions that there is a theory that by observing dark matter, you begin its decay, which would begin an unstoppable chainreaction of matter simply destroying itself, and that we did in fact observe some in a far off nebula a few years back, so we may have already triggered the end ofall existance simply by looking at the stuff. And if not us, some aliens might have done it. We cant bury our heads in the sand simply because we fear what the quest for knowledge might bring.
I think the end of the world is probably about as likely as an egg sudddenly appearing in the head of every living thing on earth, instantaneaously killing everyone and everything. According to Douglas Adams, in an inifinite universe, its possible; Its just not very likely.
Also, i get a kick out of the "why couldnt these scientists do something more useful with their genius brains like cure aids or cancer?"
Honestly, I dont think the physicists have the experience necesarry :)
Edit: And who says the LHC wont bring about the existance of spiderman? Ever think of that?
I wonder if Peter Parker would actually look like Toby McGuire....
ferretchucker
09-11-2008, 07:09 AM
I doubt anything will happen. They've been doing this for decades. Just not on this scale.
Vodstok
09-11-2008, 07:23 AM
I doubt anything will happen. They've been doing this for decades. Just not on this scale.
Exactly.
:)
The Mothman
09-11-2008, 09:11 AM
If it could seriously end the world..somebody would do something to stop it...probably not our country though.:)
this stuff bothers the fuck out of me for weeks. rather just not know about it.
X¤MurderDoll¤X
09-11-2008, 12:39 PM
It opens the possibilty of dimensional travel, teleportation and things like that.
well we're all dead in one of those dimensions now.
Like I said before, they won't discover anything by doing this. It's just a gigantic waste of time and money.
fix problems we have, invent some shit we need... that's what we pay you nerds for.
ferretchucker
09-11-2008, 01:17 PM
well we're all dead in one of those dimensions now.
Like I said before, they won't discover anything by doing this. It's just a gigantic waste of time and money.
fix problems we have, invent some shit we need... that's what we pay you nerds for.
But the idea is that this makes something completely new. Something unheard of. A new material. And who knows. Maybe it will be a great source of unharmful, renewable energy. Or something to stop the ice caps melting. Something to get rid of Celine Dion once and for all.
Vodstok
09-11-2008, 03:21 PM
well we're all dead in one of those dimensions now.
Like I said before, they won't discover anything by doing this. It's just a gigantic waste of time and money.
fix problems we have, invent some shit we need... that's what we pay you nerds for.
Sadly for you people, we nerds have our own wants, and if that includes 17 mile around universe destroying colliders, then too fucking bad for you people.
:p:cool:
what the fuck....I've been drinking beer everynight, waiting for the world to implode.....and nothing....oh well...A MANS GOTTA DO...WHAT A MANS GOTTA DO.
http://www.animationplayhouse.com/beer_drinking.gif
The Mothman
09-11-2008, 05:13 PM
from cnn.com
"Black hole fears are "baloney"
Fears have emerged that the collider could produce black holes that could suck up anything around them -- including the whole Earth. Such fears prompted legal actions in the U.S. and Europe to halt the operation of the Large Hadron Collider, alleging safety concerns regarding black holes and other phenomena that could theoretically emerge.
Although physicists acknowledge that the collider could, in theory, create small black holes, they say they do not pose any risk. A study released Friday by CERN scientists explains that any black hole created would be tiny, and would not have enough energy to stick around very long before dissolving. Five collider collaborators who did not pen the report independently told CNN there would be no danger from potential black holes."
Despare
10-24-2008, 09:23 AM
Don't worry, the end is still coming.
"Problems with a magnet quench on 19 September 2008 caused a leak of six tonnes of liquid helium, and delayed the operation for several months. Since the repairs are scheduled to be finished around late November 2008, this conflicts with the winter shutdown, meaning initial experiments will not take place until Spring 2009."
Vodstok
10-24-2008, 09:28 AM
I love their response. it reads like "Oh, you silly retards... The black holes are just a theory, and theoretically, they are so small that they will, in theory, dissolve on their own very quickly. In theory."
To be honest, though, most people's fears about this thing equate to the scientific version of "God will reach out of the clouds and squish you." Which, while theologically possible, is very very unlikely.
Despare
10-24-2008, 09:32 AM
I love their response. it reads like "Oh, you silly retards... The black holes are just a theory, and theoretically, they are so small that they will, in theory, dissolve on their own very quickly. In theory."
To be honest, though, most people's fears about this thing equate to the scientific version of "God will reach out of the clouds and squish you." Which, while theologically possible, is very very unlikely.
Yeah, you're more likely to be hit by a bus on any given day, but I do want to see what does finally come of this machine once it's switched on.
Vodstok
10-24-2008, 09:34 AM
Yeah, you're more likely to be hit by a bus on any given day, but I do want to see what does finally come of this machine once it's switched on.
that would be funny if it turned out all the delays were actually God trying to stop mankind from destroying all reality. They finally get it working, and just as they flip the switch, God shows up and says "No! cant you idiots take a hint?!
Wait, where'd everybody go?":D
Kemal
10-24-2008, 11:06 AM
This sounds like the plot to one of those sci fi channel original movies.
neverending
10-24-2008, 11:20 AM
This sounds like the plot to one of those sci fi channel original movies.
No- there's no giant creature.
And there's actual science involved.
kpropain
10-24-2008, 11:36 AM
This sounds like the plot to one of those sci fi channel original movies.
No it just sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me, plain and simple bullshit, you don't need a big fancy fucking contraption to figure that out.