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urgeok2
05-28-2008, 08:51 AM
Finally - i'm ready to tackle the greatest topic of all.

I've been doing a lot of thinking - since i can remember - and the older i get - the more i reflect on the human condition in general, and my personal condition in particular.

recently - largely because of my age - i've been experiencing death - death of friends/family, etc ... far more than any other point in my life and it's accelerated the thinking process. Recently i had about a 2 month period where i looked hard into the abyss (the reality of my mortality) and was close to losing my mind. Had some long scary panic-y moments that almost made me go mad. (this happened quietly at night or any time i was alone - and thinking ... i didnt go running down the halls at work naked and setting fires or anything like that) Came out of it as if a key had been turned and opened a door into a whole other part of my mind.

I feel a lot of truths becoming crystal clear (which i suppose - is something other crazy people feel when they think they've become enlightened) but it's really not all that dramatic for me ... and i'm not going to start preaching.

i wouldnt mind sharing what i've come back with though - (instead of going completely batshit - i decided to concentrate on the positives i could take away from the experience)


first and formost - the ever elusive "meaning of life"

there is no meaning. we're just here. smarter and more destructive than any other animal (that ccertainly seems like a contradiction in terms) but without any purpose.

i suppose that news - if one chose to believe it - would be devastating to many - but not to me.

just because there is no grand scheme - it doesn't mean we cant make the most of our 'stay'

My philosophy is this :

- enjoy your life - find joy - or at least a positive experience in every second of every day - if possible - BUT not at the expense of anyone elses enjoyment of their life.

- avoid negativity. (but not your responisibilities)

- take chances, but not stupid risks. (look before you leap)

i'm not saying i've been brilliant up to now with these things - but i certainly have them as my goal now.

i dont believe in anything supernatural .. no gods or ghosts.
i believe in society - teamwork - achieving harmony together

i believe that when you die - you die. end of story.
so enjoy your time here - why waste it ?
squeeze the most out of every second you can.

a lifetime of being happy and doing the best i can, and leaving behind good memories with other people is the comfort i'll be looking for at the end of my days .. not the belief that i'll be going 'somewhere else'

more than anything else - once i came out of this thing - i realized acutely how much i loved life. something i took for granted all this time....
I really do love being alive ... i want to have a million more great experiences before i'm gone.

THE core part of this is balance. the toughest thing in the world to do - find balance in your life. Part of that is luck, or bad choices realized too late - but another large part of balance is within your control - your mind to achieve. It might require a change in perspective, expectations ... for some people - medication. If you're unhappy - your goal should be to become happy again as soon as possible ... dont wallow in misery or it will swallow you up.
get help if you need it ..

there is no need to be unhappy .. no reason to worry about things beyond your control. fix what's broken and move on. if you cant, get help.

i was recently commenting about how fast life goes ...

i figured out why that was - at least for me :

i was always waiting for the future to arrive.

waiting for the lunch break
waiting for the work day to end
waiting for the weekend
waiting for the next pay check
waiting for the next long weekend
waiting for the next vacation ..

essentially rushing through life to get to some next goal or milestone ..

fuck me i was wasting weeks to get to a couple of days. wishing them away in autopilot.

the hell with that - that was the 1st thing i fixed. no more waiting .. i just want to live each day - look for pleasant experiences all day long.

by talking to people - sharing a laugh at work
achieving goals at work - (find ways to enjoy what i do all day)
play sports at night
reading
hang out with my family
watch a movie
play a game
joke around with folks at HDC
etc etc etc .. cram as much stuff into every day i can .........................

........................with balance.

i still need to sleep - rest the body to ensure the enjoyment of all the other activities. i still need to spend time cleaning the house- or the mess will impact my enjoyment of those other things.

some folks would say that living a hedonistic lifestyle would be the ultimate way to spend a life - but this is without balance as well.
you still need to pay the bills, respect others feelings, stay in decent physical shape to ensure some degree of quality of life.

so - who knows what i'll be thinking 10 years from now .. but my life has changed for the better recently because i was able to put these things into practice - and it wasnt that hard. the benefits are immediate.


sorry about the long ramble by the way - i wonder if anyone will read this mess (i probably wouldnt have myself)

Posher778
05-28-2008, 08:58 AM
I think the "meaning of life" is different for each individual. I'll be searching for my place soon enough. Your goals are very good Urge.

urgeok2
05-28-2008, 09:10 AM
I think the "meaning of life" is different for each individual. .

i think thats true ... but there are some universal truths ..

everyone wants to be happy and have fun..

unfortunately more often than not - thats at the expense of someone else

Despare
05-28-2008, 09:13 AM
i think thats true ... but there are some universal truths ..

everyone wants to be happy and have fun..

unfortunately more often than not - thats at the expense of someone else

Not if they're goth. Then being happy is out of the question. Anyway, insightful stuff but fairly predictable from you as you've said most of that before in different places here. It was only a matter of time before you put it all together. :)

PS: Is it bad that I thought this was about the movie?

urgeok2
05-28-2008, 09:16 AM
PS: Is it bad that I thought this was about the movie?

i figured someone would - i forgot my disclaimer :)

_____V_____
05-28-2008, 09:52 AM
Pretty much sums up what should be every person's ideals at living a near-perfect life.

A very practical view of it too, and very illuminating. Good stuff.

newb
05-28-2008, 09:56 AM
Oh WTF.....I thought this was going to be a Monty Python thread!:mad:



We share pretty much the same philosophy.....well said.



the only thing missing was the part about BEER.


http://www.united-nations-of-beer.com/images/einstien.jpg

novakru
05-28-2008, 03:22 PM
They have pills for this, you know:D

Roderick Usher
05-28-2008, 04:36 PM
I enjoy leaping without looking... spontaneous cross-country moves, diving headlong into new projects with strangers, taking jobs in fields in which I have no experience, hell I evengot married without really thinking twice about it - and we're 11 years into it already.:D

Kemal
05-28-2008, 04:41 PM
My, aren't we feeling philosophical today...

urgeok2
05-28-2008, 05:25 PM
I enjoy leaping without looking... spontaneous cross-country moves, diving headlong into new projects with strangers, taking jobs in fields in which I have no experience, hell I evengot married without really thinking twice about it - and we're 11 years into it already.:D



i was taking a safety approach - your talking about taking chances - i'm all for that ...

i was meaning - dont drive like an asshole...etc...

urgeok2
05-28-2008, 05:26 PM
My, aren't we feeling philosophical today...


it's my mid life crisis ..

i decided not to go the earing, teenage girlfriend, and convertable route.

Zero
05-28-2008, 05:32 PM
42


don't you all read


it is

42

novakru
05-28-2008, 08:03 PM
I keep thinking I get it..the whole big picture thing, and I am moving along through life, trying very hard to forgive the bullshit and doing my part to smile and recycle when out of nowhere my depression shatters me into a million pieces and I realize I know nothing, I am nothing, nothing I do makes a damn bit of difference and I wish I could just lay down on something soft and fade away.
Not even looking at my beautiful children sleeping can take it away tonight.
Not even the best fucking anti-depressant can save me from this suffering that I'd rip off an arm to escape from.

So, I don't know...if there's nothing after life? I don't think at this point it sounds so bad.

crabapple
05-28-2008, 09:29 PM
My philosophy is this :

- enjoy your life - find joy - or at least a positive experience in every second of every day - if possible - BUT not at the expense of anyone elses enjoyment of their life.



Oh yeah. In our basic interactions with the world--with people, with the air, the trees, the animals, the ground, the street, the sky, in these everyday experiences is the chance to feel joy, pain, enlightenment, harmony, disillusionment, hope, despair, happiness, the spectrum of emotions and feelings that we feel. And it's only by going out there and seeing what's out there that we can experience these things.

GorePhobia
05-29-2008, 12:52 AM
I have had those moments a few times where you think about it when you are alone and what not and have like a panic attack because of it. After thinking long and hard and becoming scared and upset because I am still young and don't want to leave this Earth until I feel I have fullfilled my dreams and help others fullfill theirs I have come to the conclusion that it must not be THAT bad. If you don't remember what you were before you were alive for all those years then after won't be as bad also.

I just hope that time doesn't come until I am ready fully and that is like 50-60 years from now maybe hopefully longer if I am lucky. I am a big kid, over weight with some issues so I know if I don't change soon then my time will come quicker then it should but life is a series of moments and those moments can end at a blink of an eye. Live life to the fullest and just have fun doing it.

Ferox13
05-29-2008, 04:45 AM
what is best in life?


To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women!

urgeok2
05-29-2008, 05:35 AM
I keep thinking I get it..the whole big picture thing, and I am moving along through life, trying very hard to forgive the bullshit and doing my part to smile and recycle when out of nowhere my depression shatters me into a million pieces and I realize I know nothing, I am nothing, nothing I do makes a damn bit of difference and I wish I could just lay down on something soft and fade away.
Not even looking at my beautiful children sleeping can take it away tonight.
Not even the best fucking anti-depressant can save me from this suffering that I'd rip off an arm to escape from.

So, I don't know...if there's nothing after life? I don't think at this point it sounds so bad.

i know depression is a very real thing ... but i cant get my head around it.
i get pleasure from so many things that the month of introspective soul searching didnt leave me feeling empty at all ... it made me realize that there was still so much to do - tons of fun still to be had.
I want to do and see and experience everything possible before i run out of steam.

and at that point, i'll catch up on my reading and movies, and grabbing the asses of any pretty nurse i can reach. and if i cant reach, i'll just lie back and admire the view :D

crabapple
05-29-2008, 05:38 AM
You are a dirty bastard. ;) :eek: :cool: :o

urgeok2
05-29-2008, 05:39 AM
You are a dirty bastard. ;) :eek: :cool: :o


it keeps me moving forward

ferretchucker
05-29-2008, 08:29 AM
The meaning is what you make it. It can mean live for others, it can mean live for yourself. I just sit back and enjoy the ride. The past is gone and future will come in its own time.

novakru
05-29-2008, 07:49 PM
i know depression is a very real thing ... but i cant get my head around it.

Depression for me is from severe childhood trama...I remember having so many natural gifts as a kid and then had someone twist the world into something my mind couldn't handle...after years of therapy and now meds, I can cope very well...it's just at times my world tilts no matter what I do to prevent it.
Most of the time I am pretty happy and I laugh alot (This is something I completely forget about when I am in my blackness)

Think about someone telling you the sky is green and everytime you say "but it's blue" you get seared with something very hot ..eventually you start seeing the sky turn green.

That's how my depression sneaks up on me... I just forget the sky is Blue.

stubbornforgey
05-29-2008, 11:08 PM
Well wat can i say on this topic.
One day i woke up and took a good look around at my surroundings and all i felt was displeasure at wat i felt inside my heart.
I knew exactly wat i had to do each day..
5.30 am ..wake up..shower..change..get kids breakfast ready
wake them up at 7 for thier showers..get them ready for school then head off to wrk myself.
walk into my office and wait.
8.am the secretary walks in and turns on her comp n tells me about her life story ..
AGAIN.!!
6.30 ..The rest of the staff came in and laughed about things that make no sense at all.
9 pm ..work n study ..take morning coffee..same ole same ole crap..
lunch break...again same ole same ole crap
ring my baby in egypt ..talk love talk ..hang up an work the rest of the day off.
3 pm would find me in the bank..3.15 buying food...3.45 waiting for bus home loaded down with shopping.
4.pm walk in my house ..start cooking tea
Family members come over ..bitching n moaning about god knows wat..!!
borow money from me then leave.
4.30..dinner is coking ..help kids with homework
eat dinner..shower..watch t.v ..ring egypt again..go to bed
start again tomorrow doing the same thing.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOO ..without even a second thought i finally decided i wanted a change...i now live in Egypt with my Lord...my drac..my precious silly egyptian.. i feel like i have just been reborn.

urgeok2
05-30-2008, 05:39 AM
Depression for me is from severe childhood trama...I remember having so many natural gifts as a kid and then had someone twist the world into something my mind couldn't handle...after years of therapy and now meds, I can cope very well...it's just at times my world tilts no matter what I do to prevent it.
Most of the time I am pretty happy and I laugh alot (This is something I completely forget about when I am in my blackness)

Think about someone telling you the sky is green and everytime you say "but it's blue" you get seared with something very hot ..eventually you start seeing the sky turn green.

That's how my depression sneaks up on me... I just forget the sky is Blue.


i hope there's a way to undo the damage...
i had a pretty shit childhood (mental anguish - not physical) but i always held fast to the belief that things would get better.


as corny as this is - i always thought of it as my personal coat of arms :

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll37/robyn738/nevergiveup.jpg

wildfire
05-30-2008, 12:09 PM
Dam, There's a Meaning to life??? Who Knew!! LOL
Still searching.............................

stubbornforgey
05-30-2008, 08:28 PM
When you open your eyes
take a good look outside
the worlds still turning
while your trying to hide,
the sun maybe shining or maybe theres rain
no matter the weather..
forget all your pain..
try not to question what tomorrow brings
be happy with now and everything,
go greet a neighbour a lover or friend
for who knows now..could see your whole life end.



stubbs

Roderick Usher
05-30-2008, 08:33 PM
SOOOOOOOOOOOOO ..without even a second thought i finally decided i wanted a change...i now live in Egypt with my Lord...my drac..my precious silly egyptian.. i feel like i have just been reborn.


That is sooooooo amazing. I love you for following your heart, Forgey:D :D :D

You are fantastic!

stubbornforgey
05-30-2008, 08:34 PM
[QUOTE=Roderick Usher;702678]That is sooooooo amazing. I love you for following your heart, Forgey:D :D :D

You are fantastic![/QUOTE


awwwwwwwwwwww fanks..
i wuv o0 too :o