Psychological Disorders

[Posher778]

Anybody got one? What's your take on them? Discuss :)

I have Schizotypal disorder, as well as Bipolar disorder.

[Doc Faustus]

I have rapid cycling bipolar. It gives me some trouble now and again, but I'm grateful I'm not like my grandfather who was cyclothymic. It stayed dormant for years then carjacked him for months. It was terrifying. I never got over visiting him in the psych ward, especially since the neighbor that brought me left me alone there.

[Freak]

I to am bi-polar.It's caused me to ruin alot of good things in my life.I should be taking medicine for but for some reason I refuse to take it.

[Posher778]

I to am bi-polar.It's caused me to ruin alot of good things in my life.I should be taking medicine for but for some reason I refuse to take it.

I won't take meds either.

[Freak]

I dont like the fact that I should have to take something to make me feel normal.I have some other issues but they haven't been diganosed yet.I also have severe anxiety attacks.

[Doc Faustus]

I've been off the leash for six years now and I'm doing much better emotionally then I was while on the meds, particularly when it was Lithium. Lithium wrecked me. Especially during the Summer. If you're responsible and vigilant with bipolar and you have someone supportive around, you can live with it pretty well without medicine.

[Dante'sInferno]

I'm bipolar and OCD.I take medication though.So i'm doing better I guess.

[pinkfloyd45769]

I think i have ocd,cause i want everything to big in order by size,if its the same size by alike colors.It just has to be in a particular order.I wash my face every time i go into the bathroom.I also brush my teeth constantly.I carry a little toothbrush and toothpaste with me always.What do u guys think?

[newb]

I have a bad case of NMB.

[neverending]

need more beer?

[newb]

need more beer?

damn...you're good....are you a doctor?

[newb]

I don't get all this Bi-Polar and OCD....its like every third person you meet has some "Psychological Disorder" and is on meds.


back in my day if somebody acted "different" we would call them a witch and burn them at the stake.

[Dude Guadalupe]

I'm willing to bet that if anyone here were to get checked we'd all be diagnosed with something. Hell, I'm half tempted to do it just to see.

[newb]

I'm willing to bet that if anyone here were to get checked we'd all be diagnosed with something. Hell, I'm half tempted to do it just to see.

I can already diagnose you...You have a severe case of PAD.

Thats "Pigment Aversion Disorder"....A predisposition to only wear black.

[_____V_____]

I don't get all this Bi-Polar and OCD....its like every third person you meet has some "Psychological Disorder" and is on meds.

back in my day if somebody acted "different" we would call them a witch and burn them at the stake.

Even when "different" meant having a severe addiction to beer?

[neverending]

What's different about that?

[newb]

What's different about that?

exactly.....seems pretty normal to me.

[_____V_____]

exactly.....seems pretty normal to me.

On weekends, yes.

But not 24/7. :p

[Despare]

On weekends, yes.

But not 24/7. :p

Must be a boring 24/5 ;)

[newb]

On weekends, yes.

But not 24/7. :p

I'm pretty much a Weekend Warrior nowadays.


speaking of Warriors.....when the hell is the remake coming out?...That was supposed to be a couple of years ago!

[_____V_____]

Must be a boring 24/5 ;)

On and off, baby...on and off...;)

[ChronoGrl]

I've been diagnosed with different things over time from depression to bipolar disorder to dissociative disorder.

I'm taking Cymbalta for the depression and Seroquel for the rage (uncontrollable anger - also helps me sleep at night). I used to suffer from anxiety and panic attacks (most likely a byproduct of PTSD), but I've been doing significantly better lately.

Diagnosing mental/emotional disorders are definitely a tricky business; what's really difficult is that this is not an exact science. Your biology and hormones are always changing and it's difficult to tell which medication will work for you. It took me a long time to get to the medications that I am on now and, believe me, there is a significant change in me for the better.

I honestly think that medication is a good thing, but not for everyone. If someone wants to commit to taking meds and be patient enough to work with their doctor, then power to them. If someone had a bad experience with meds (and there are a LOT of them out there that can fuck you up), then stay the hell away.

My only problem with meds is that I feel as though people are over-medicated and that doctors are more willing to medicate as opposed to find root cause. Then again, a lot of people aren't willing to honestly find rout cause in themselves; it's not easy. Hell, I know I should be seeing a therapist... But I... just... don't.

but anyway

My biggest problem with mental/emotional disorders are that there is a social sigma attached to them and, quite frankly, a lot of people simply do not believe that they exist (you're not "depressed"... you're "just sad" and you should "be happy"). I found it really alienating growing up with depression, though I can honestly say that it's great to be with someone who is empathetic and supportive. My current boyfriend helps me keep myself together and I help him. That is the MOST important thing about an emotional disorder; having people around you who care about you and support you.

Also - It's good to have a thread to talk about it openly. I'm doing a lot better now than I have in a long, long time.



Edit: Incidentally, I am now watching the episode of South Park where all the kids are prescribed Ritalin. ha

[urgeok2]

uhmmm...

i got nothing ...


funny - i started a thread like this waaaay back in the day when i was starting to wonder if i was the only person on the forum who wasnt medicated or a candidate for medication.

it wasnt to be a mean superior prick - it just seemed crazy disproportional - i know these kinds of mental illnesses are pretty common ... but why all in one place - a horror forum ? does that strike anyone else as kind of odd ?

then i saw another forum and it was similar.

one thing made sense to me - if the kind of illness resulted in a difficulty in dealing with people or makes the person a shut-in) - i think a forum provides an outlet - a way to reach out to people without having to really be with them.

like DG said above - everyone has something ...

taking a closer look at myself i know i can be a compulsive eater if i dont take measures to prevent it.
(keep junk food out of the house..etc)

i'm a completist - if i collect something i find i have a driving need to get all of that thing - but thats tempered by being aware of the realities of having a morgage to pay and the other financial responsibilities of life.

i hate arguing - (i love discussing) but pointless angry arguing makes me fall asleep. by brain shuts right down. i remember how mad my ex-wife would get - she'd be bitching about some stipid shit and i'd fall asleep in the middle of her sentance. obviously an subconcious self perservation technique.


i'm still alarmed by the number of more serious afflictions though - and wonder if there's a relationship between that - and loving horror movies.

[Rayne]

uhmmm...

i got nothing ...


funny - i started a thread like this waaaay back in the day when i was starting to wonder if i was the only person on the forum who wasnt medicated or a candidate for medication.


Well..I just can't buy into it all...I mean, doesn't anyone find it odd that every single person who goes to a psychiatrist thinking they might have a problem, ends up having a problem?

Maybe it's because I can attribute pretty much everyone's 'personality disorders' to aspects outlined in Astrology (Of course, you have to factor in environmental influences and upbringing, too)...Most people don't buy into Astrology either, but at least I'm not trying to make a profit off of someone's problems.

Libras and Geminis are bi-polar/manic depressive
Cancers are codependent (to one person, while trying to shut out everyone else), insecure and usually depressed...When they're 'up' they're hyper and way up, when they're down, it's almost impossible to reach down far enough to pull them out.
Leos are overly aggressive and thrive on attention
Libras, Cancers and Leos tend to be hypocondriacs, largely due to paranoia...They read the symptoms of a disease and end up convincing themselves that they have it, to the point of physically manifesting the symptoms
Aries are generally aggressive and end up with quite a few 'issues', most of their own making (purposely or otherwise)
Tauruses have codependency issues and and insecurity (they need something or someone outside of themselves to make them feel secure)
Virgos are obsessive/compulsive and worry themslves too much
Pisces have incredibly addictive personalities...They can create an addiction out of just about anything, but they have to have SOMETHING

Libras, Geminis, Aries and Pisces are statistically the most 'medicated' signs

I can give you the psychological profile for every sign...And as ridiculous as you may think it is, I'm just as accurate as your 'psychiatrists'...I can also find anomalies within your Astrological charts for the uncommon ailments that may not be typically associated with your sun sign (emotions are usually controlled by your moon sign anyway...Especially Cancers...Changing moon phases can make them manic (full moon), depressed or somber (waning or 'weak' moon), irritable, etcetera).

Between psychiatrists with all their mind-altering chemicals and Astrology with all of its nonsense...Astrology is much safer.

Are people aware that EVERY kid so far who has been associated with school shootings has been taking these prescribed drugs?..I don't think the pills were helping, do you?...In fact, those types of incidents NEVER happened before these things became widely used...Maybe it's a bad idea to screw with a kid's brain that way.

Basically...I just don't think people need all these damned pills...Most of these drugs cause more problems than they supposedly solve...How did society ever make it before 'doctors' started throwing this shit at everyone?...It also upsets me that people are medicating their children instead of disciplining them...But, aren't the adults also medicating themselves rather than taking control of their lives and working out their problems?

So, you have a problem...Do you want to add dependancy on chemicals to that problem, along with feeling like you're too weak to handle things on your own?...What exactly does THAT do for your insecurity, self-esteem and dependency issues?...Wouldn't that kinda make you depressed?

I just happen to think that people are much stronger than they realize, and that 'psychiatrists' feed off of their weaknesses rather than help them realize their own strengths...Because, they can't make money if they tell people they're 'okay'.

And consider this...What IS a real 'mental disorder'?...in the 1700s, I would have been burned as a witch for liking sex as much as I do, only females who consort with satan would like sex, right?...In the 1800s, I would have been lobotomized for nymphomania, because only males are supposed to enjoy sex, true?...But now, well, I'm just sexually aggressive...

We ALL get depressed sometimes...We all get stressed sometimes to the point that we feel like we're gonna lose our minds...We all have to face problems and tragedies at some point...We all have our good days/moments and bad ones...We all get lonely sometimes and need someone to talk to...We all get sad sometimes...We all get angry occasionally...We are HUMAN, so we naturally have emotions...The key is to learn to CONTROL those emotions, which usually comes with maturity, experience and information...NOT drugs...You can't learn to control the emotions if you depend on drugs to do it for you.

And those who seem like they don't have emotions, well they've got pills for THAT, too...Even though that type of thing is generally the result of severe psychological abuse, torment or trauma to the point that someone has simply shut themselves off (it happens normally, it's a mental defense mechanism to preserve our sanity...Have some faith in human biology, we are amazing creatures)...Basically, we're all pretty 'normal'...I just truly think that some people have a self-serving agenda to try to make us believe otherwise.

Like Urge said, I don't mean to offend anyone (which is why I was reluctant to even respond to this thread), and every adult has the right to make their own decisions...I'm just throwing my own personal opinion out there...And I apologize if I HAVE offended anyone, it's just that this topic seriously upsets me.

[urgeok2]

well, i do believe that there are disorders that definately warrant medication.

i think less severe ones can be helped without drugs .. there are other tools, strategies, and support that could be employed.

but there are some people who just cant cope without medication .. their brains are lacking the chemical balance that should be able to tell them that suicide isnt the answer - or deep depression. I've known people like this - medication is absolutely neccessary (but it isnt an exact science - so it doesnt always work without some other complications)

my kid is legitimately ADHD .. no two ways about it.
unable to focus or sit still - he would fail miserably in school - no matter how bright he is. the cascading impact of this could easily be failing at life.
now he's succeeding - and he's no zombie .. he just has a better ability to focus.

i dont suffer depression - but i understand it.
it's easy for people who dont experience it to say 'suck it up - get over it" but if your brain doesnt have the chemical ability to do these things - your words have all the effect of some other unintelligible language..

these folks need some kind of medicine if they are going to be able to work, have relationships ..etc. everyone deserves a chance to have a healthy productive life... if drugs can get them there - then i'm all for it.

but like i said - it's not an exact science.

there has to be the right balance for each individual... it's like playing with fire.
a lot of trial and error. still - if it were me - i'd prefer that to the alternative.

[Rayne]

well, i do believe that there are disorders that definately warrant medication.


I agree with this...Not everyone is CAPABLE of handling things by themselves.

But, as a whole, I believe that there is far, FAR too much unnecessary medicating going on...It's the unnecessary cases (which I truly believe have become the majority), that I have a problem with.

EDIT: You have outlined pretty much every exception to what I've said (you're good at that :p)...And YOU are an excellent parent, you're there for your son, it's obvious how much you love him...You spend lots of time with him, you do what you know is best for him, you take a VERY active role in his life, and you are very protective of him.

But, you can't ignore the fact that not all parents are like you...Many choose pills as an easy alternative to parenting (I've seen it, it's disgusting and sad)...There are so many 'parents' these days who just don't have the time or the patience to take care of their children properly...These are the same parents who blame horror movies, video games, society, etcetera for their children's bad behavior, while accepting no fault themselves.

[Zero]

ok - i'll admit it



i'm on frontline for my fleas & ticks --- you all just don't know how itchy it gets

oh & my shrink keeps asking why i think i'm a monkey - but i just fling pooh at her and she shuts up about it!

[ChronoGrl]

Well..I just can't buy into it all...I mean, doesn't anyone find it odd that every single person who goes to a psychiatrist thinking they might have a problem, ends up having a problem?

Maybe it's because I can attribute pretty much everyone's 'personality disorders' to aspects outlined in Astrology (Of course, you have to factor in environmental influences and upbringing, too)...Most people don't buy into Astrology either, but at least I'm not trying to make a profit off of someone's problems.

Libras and Geminis are bi-polar/manic depressive
Cancers are codependent (to one person, while trying to shut out everyone else), insecure and usually depressed...When they're 'up' they're hyper and way up, when they're down, it's almost impossible to reach down far enough to pull them out.
Leos are overly aggressive and thrive on attention
Libras, Cancers and Leos tend to be hypocondriacs, largely due to paranoia...They read the symptoms of a disease and end up convincing themselves that they have it, to the point of physically manifesting the symptoms
Aries are generally aggressive and end up with quite a few 'issues', most of their own making (purposely or otherwise)
Tauruses have codependency issues and and insecurity (they need something or someone outside of themselves to make them feel secure)
Virgos are obsessive/compulsive and worry themslves too much
Pisces have incredibly addictive personalities...They can create an addiction out of just about anything, but they have to have SOMETHING

Libras, Geminis, Aries and Pisces are statistically the most 'medicated' signs

I can give you the psychological profile for every sign...And as ridiculous as you may think it is, I'm just as accurate as your 'psychiatrists'...I can also find anomalies within your Astrological charts for the uncommon ailments that may not be typically associated with your sun sign (emotions are usually controlled by your moon sign anyway...Especially Cancers...Changing moon phases can make them manic (full moon), depressed or somber (waning or 'weak' moon), irritable, etcetera).

Between psychiatrists with all their mind-altering chemicals and Astrology with all of its nonsense...Astrology is much safer.

Are people aware that EVERY kid so far who has been associated with school shootings has been taking these prescribed drugs?..I don't think the pills were helping, do you?...In fact, those types of incidents NEVER happened before these things became widely used...Maybe it's a bad idea to screw with a kid's brain that way.

Basically...I just don't think people need all these damned pills...Most of these drugs cause more problems than they supposedly solve...How did society ever make it before 'doctors' started throwing this shit at everyone?...It also upsets me that people are medicating their children instead of disciplining them...But, aren't the adults also medicating themselves rather than taking control of their lives and working out their problems?

So, you have a problem...Do you want to add dependancy on chemicals to that problem, along with feeling like you're too weak to handle things on your own?...What exactly does THAT do for your insecurity, self-esteem and dependency issues?...Wouldn't that kinda make you depressed?

I just happen to think that people are much stronger than they realize, and that 'psychiatrists' feed off of their weaknesses rather than help them realize their own strengths...Because, they can't make money if they tell people they're 'okay'.

And consider this...What IS a real 'mental disorder'?...in the 1700s, I would have been burned as a witch for liking sex as much as I do, only females who consort with satan would like sex, right?...In the 1800s, I would have been lobotomized for nymphomania, because only males are supposed to enjoy sex, true?...But now, well, I'm just sexually aggressive...

We ALL get depressed sometimes...We all get stressed sometimes to the point that we feel like we're gonna lose our minds...We all have to face problems and tragedies at some point...We all have our good days/moments and bad ones...We all get lonely sometimes and need someone to talk to...We all get sad sometimes...We all get angry occasionally...We are HUMAN, so we naturally have emotions...The key is to learn to CONTROL those emotions, which usually comes with maturity, experience and information...NOT drugs...You can't learn to control the emotions if you depend on drugs to do it for you.

And those who seem like they don't have emotions, well they've got pills for THAT, too...Even though that type of thing is generally the result of severe psychological abuse, torment or trauma to the point that someone has simply shut themselves off (it happens normally, it's a mental defense mechanism to preserve our sanity...Have some faith in human biology, we are amazing creatures)...Basically, we're all pretty 'normal'...I just truly think that some people have a self-serving agenda to try to make us believe otherwise.

Like Urge said, I don't mean to offend anyone (which is why I was reluctant to even respond to this thread), and every adult has the right to make their own decisions...I'm just throwing my own personal opinion out there...And I apologize if I HAVE offended anyone, it's just that this topic seriously upsets me.

This is the most ignorant piece of tripe that I have read in a very, very long time.

I agree with this...Not everyone is CAPABLE of handling things by themselves.

But, as a whole, I believe that there is far, FAR too much unnecessary medicating going on...It's the unnecessary cases (which I truly believe have become the majority), that I have a problem with.

EDIT: You have outlined pretty much every exception to what I've said (you're good at that )...And YOU are an excellent parent, you're there for your son, it's obvious how much you love him...You spend lots of time with him, you do what you know is best for him, you take a VERY active role in his life, and you are very protective of him.

But, you can't ignore the fact that not all parents are like you...Many choose pills as an easy alternative to parenting (I've seen it, it's disgusting and sad)...There are so many 'parents' these days who just don't have the time or the patience to take care of their children properly...These are the same parents who blame horror movies, video games, society, etcetera for their children's bad behavior, while accepting no fault themselves.

Of course there are exceptions. :eek:

You are entitled to your own opinion, Rayne, but to ignore those exceptions has absolutely nothing to do with simply "being offensive." It's just entirely two-dimensional, vain, short-sided, judgmental, and perpetuates the philistine social stigma that I alluded to above.

[Posher778]

This is the most ignorant piece of tripe that I have read in a very, very long time.





If she's entitled to her own opinion then why lash?

[Despare]

I was taken to a few psychiatrists when I was younger and they tried to medicate me for ADD, social anxiety, and a few other things. I refused to be medicated and dealt with things myself... it just takes a lot of effort and self control. I did try a couple meds for a week at the most but I felt like I didn't have total control over myself on them. My techniques worked better anyway.

[ChronoGrl]

If she's entitled to her own opinion then why lash?

Opinions I'm fine with. It's ignorance that I can't stand.



Opinion: But, as a whole, I believe that there is far, FAR too much unnecessary medicating going on...It's the unnecessary cases (which I truly believe have become the majority), that I have a problem with.


Ignorance: So, you have a problem...Do you want to add dependancy on chemicals to that problem, along with feeling like you're too weak to handle things on your own?...What exactly does THAT do for your insecurity, self-esteem and dependency issues?...Wouldn't that kinda make you depressed?... The key is to learn to CONTROL those emotions, which usually comes with maturity, experience and information...NOT drugs...You can't learn to control the emotions if you depend on drugs to do it for you.


Making a ubiquitous judgment of an entire population segment based on the mistakes and foibles of a few individuals is ignorant.

But Rayne knows that. The concession was made in her second post, so I'll give her that.

[Posher778]

Opinions I'm fine with. It's ignorance that I can't stand.



Opinion:

Ignorance:


Making a ubiquitous judgment of an entire population segment based on the mistakes and foibles of a few individuals is ignorant.

But Rayne knows that. The concession was made in her second post, so I'll give her that.

Maybe what *you* just said was ignorance instead of opinion

[ChronoGrl]

Maybe what *you* just said was ignorance instead of opinion

lol

Yup - You got me.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/Chronogrl/ignorance.jpg

[Doc Faustus]

Overmedication is a big problem. More holistic means need to be found for dealing with psychological disorders, which are very real. Yes, other factors can affect a person's personality, but it's about degrees. Talking too much doesn't make you manic. Talking for twelve hours straight to different people as they walk in and out of the room does. Sulking and eating ice cream doesn't prove you're depressed. Sulking and carving "Monster" on your arm does. Some people have mood swings. My grandfather needed to be wrestled down by three cops after pulling a knife on the priest who was trying to convince him to go in for help. He recieved electroconvulsives for it. What does this prove? Mental illness is more than the tides or the stars, but it is not treated right. I'm happier meditating, having regular, healthy monogamous sex, working out, reading tarot, interpreting my dreams and praying for guidance than I was on Lithium. I still know that I'm bipolar and I have to watch out for it. The carjacking can happen. It's a fact of life, but just because you might get carjacked doesn't mean you shouldn't ever be the one that's driving.

[_____V_____]

Let me see if I can put this in common and easy, understandable terms...


- I am a compulsive eater, and stuff myself a lot. This happens: 1) when I am bored, or have nothing else to do, and 2) sometimes, after sex...I get the munchies.

- I am a very short-tempered individual. Push one wrong button of mine and I go ballistic. It has happened very frequently with me, especially after I started my job. I vent out on my wife, my stepmom, even my dog...I just have to get it out. Afterwards, I think back and feel bad...and try to make it up to all of them.

- I d rather punch a wall than confront anyone higher in status, position, authority or power above me. Someone above me ribs me, pulls my leg...I just smile and take it in my stride. But any junior does it, I give them a full blast.

- I am often irritated very easily and quickly. If I am watching a movie and am asked to do something, it makes me irritated to no end. Same goes for when I am sitting on the comp and doing something important.

- My violent temper has resulted in me throwing 3 comps, 2 cellphones and 2 televisions down by now. Not to mention breaking a few DVDs and cassettes, even a mirror once.

- When I am relaxed and relieved, you wont find a more funnier person with a huge sense of humor. The whole atmosphere in my home changes, and everyone is in high spirits.

Until my next mood-swing.



And, till now, I haven't gone to any shrink or doctor even once. I am dealing with it, and trying to improve on my in-house and on-job behaviour.

Do I need medication and expert advice?

If you ask me, I will tell you this..."Nope, because I have learnt to live with it. And I will improve, no matter what."

[urgeok2]

Someone above me ribs me, pulls my leg...I just smile and take it in my stride. But any junior does it, I give them a full blast.

."



heh, i'm the complete opposite :)

i'll take a shot at a 'superior' any day - often have.

i'll do it in a way thats hard to get me back for it though ..
there are smart and funny ways to nail a guy without giving them opportunity
to do anything back (especially if they're dumb as shit)

they might not like me - but screw it - i do good work... i've survived where those guys didnt :)

[newb]

I am so laid back it ain't even funny.

[_____V_____]

heh, i'm the complete opposite :)

i'll take a shot at a 'superior' any day - often have.

i'll do it in a way thats hard to get me back for it though ..
there are smart and funny ways to nail a guy without giving them opportunity
to do anything back (especially if they're dumb as shit)

they might not like me - but screw it - i do good work... i've survived where those guys didnt :)

Thats what I lack. (and my superiors are usually very smart and haughty, arrogant numbfks)

When the moment comes, I am at a loss for words. The reply would come to me later, much later...when I replay the situation in my mind.

Introverted? Nope.

Lack of presence of mind? Definitely.

[pinkfloyd45769]

Rayne,i totally agree with parents over medicating their children.When my sons doctor put him on Adderall and Clonidine i was outraged.I found out later that almost all of his patients are being treated for all different diorders.,as young as age 2.I took him off the meds and got a new doc.I know plenty of parents that have their kids on meds just because they can't/don't want to deal with them.I think its crazy and also i believe it is dangerous to have kids on such addictive drugs for no real purpose.

[urgeok2]

I am so laid back it ain't even funny.


i had a guy at work tell me just a few days ago that i was a contradiction ..

on one hand i'm friendly - i can get along with anyone - in any circumstance .. guys like coming into my area to shoot the shit and do so on a regular basis ...

but i also give the appearance of having no tolerance for stupid people - people who have really disappointed the hell out of me.

I dont think thats different for a lot of people - it's just that i'm vocal about it.


but on the whole ... i think most people think i'm pretty laid back as well ..

hell i'm completely horizontal compared to when i was an angry young guy in my late teens and 20's. as life goes on, you either figure out some answers and find a way to deal, or you go batshit and lead a very miserable life. i naturally chose the former.

[_____V_____]

In time, I might learn that too...eventually.

Life can be pretty two-sided for a 24 year old in a pressure-cooker job. :rolleyes:

[newb]

i had a guy at work tell me just a few days ago that i was a contradiction ..

on one hand i'm friendly - i can get along with anyone - in any circumstance .. guys like coming into my area to shoot the shit and do so on a regular basis ...

but i also give the appearance of having no tolerance for stupid people - people who have really disappointed the hell out of me.

I dont think thats different for a lot of people - it's just that i'm vocal about it.


but on the whole ... i think most people think i'm pretty laid back as well ..

hell i'm completely horizontal compared to when i was an angry young guy in my late teens and 20's. as life goes on, you either figure out some answers and find a way to deal, or you go batshit and lead a very miserable life. i naturally chose the former.

yeah.......you definitely mellow with age.

[Zero]

i recommend frontline - it keeps things nice and itch-free

[ChronoGrl]

In time, I might learn that too...eventually.

Life can be pretty two-sided for a 24 year old in a pressure-cooker job. :rolleyes:

You're only 24? :confused:

[urgeok2]

yeah.......you definitely mellow with age.

you mellow with wisdom.

wisdom doesnt always come with age :)

[_____V_____]

You're only 24? :confused:

Duh.


you mellow with wisdom.

wisdom doesnt always come with age :)

True.

I dont think I have truly "wise"-ened for my age.

[urgeok2]

it doesnt happen overnight ..

simple rules :

- dont sweat the small stuff
- dont worry about things you have no control over
- no matter how bad something seems at the time - know from experience that in a day or 2 it'll be nothing more than a memory (and a lesson learned ?)


not just quaint lip service - i live by those 3 things..

[Doc Faustus]

- no matter how bad something seems at the time - know from experience that in a day or 2 it'll be nothing more than a memory



If you get old enough, it won't even be that.

[_____V_____]

simple rules :

- dont sweat the small stuff
- dont worry about things you have no control over
- no matter how bad something seems at the time - know from experience that in a day or 2 it'll be nothing more than a memory (and a lesson learned ?)


not just quaint lip service - i live by those 3 things..

Pretty much definitive guidelines for a contented and happy daily life. I need to learn to live by those too.

Thanks, Dave. :)

[urgeok2]

If you get old enough, it won't even be that.


what were we just talking about ?

and where are my pants ?

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[Rayne]

So, you have a problem...Do you want to add dependancy on chemicals to that problem, along with feeling like you're too weak to handle things on your own?...What exactly does THAT do for your insecurity, self-esteem and dependency issues?...Wouldn't that kinda make you depressed?... The key is to learn to CONTROL those emotions, which usually comes with maturity, experience and information...NOT drugs...You can't learn to control the emotions if you depend on drugs to do it for you.

This was aimed at the people who have been convinced that they need chemical assistance, when they DON'T and I firmly believe in it, despite your opinion.

You are entitled to your own opinion, Rayne, but to ignore those exceptions has absolutely nothing to do with simply "being offensive."

I wasn't ignoring any exceptions, hence all of the "many"s, and "most"s, rather than "all"s and "every"s

The only time I was all-inclusive was in mentioning the school violence incidents, and my statement concerning THAT is accurate and easily verifiable

Ignorance springs from lack of information...I have been stockpiling information about this since before you were born...From psychology classes to hands-on experience.

20 years ago I knew exactly ZERO people on these drugs...NOW, over 90% (and that's NOT an exaggerated figure) of the people I know have been on one form of these drugs or another...To date, I do not know ONE person who has actually been 'helped' by any of these things...I know several who have been harmed by them, and none of them continued to take them for more than a few months...Except one:

Mabel (Girl who lived up the street from me for 8 years...moved 2 years ago, I have no idea where she ended up) - Had left her family in another state to marry young and have a baby (looking for a better, more 'normal' life, attempting to escape from abusive parents)...Got a divorce, was left alone with her son, couldn't cope...Went to a psychiatrist...To date, has been on 6 different medications (sometimes 2 and 3 at a time) which caused her to go from bad to worse...Hallucinations, depression, attempted suicides (I helped mop up the blood from one of them), rages, extended hospitalization and stays in the psych ward, all of which eventually caused her to lose her son.

Brandon (Mabel's son) : With the personal problems his mother was dealing with, she couldn't handle him, so when he was only 2 years old, he was diagnosed with ADHD and also bipolarism (yes, a 2 year-old...You can also read the news story that I posted about a year ago concerning the little girl who was diagnosed with the exact same things at the age of 2, was put on many different medications, and was found dead on a pile of clothes in her parents' bedroom floor wearing nothing but a diaper at the age of 4...Cause of death: overdosed on medications prescribed to her by a psychiatrist, given to her by her parents who according to relatives kept the girl sedated because she was easier to manage that way...Relatives called authorities several times over that 2 year period, but authorities did nothing because the parents were giving her medications that were prescribed to her)...When Brandon was 6 years-old, his mother was awakened at 3am by movement on her bed...Brandon was standing over top of her with a steak knife...His eyes were glazed and he didn't seem to hear her screaming...Ambulance arrived, Brandon was hospitalized...His psychiatrist determined that either one or all of his medications (he was on 3 different ones at the time), were either too weak or two strong...He told her to cut them in half for a week and if that didn't work (I guess if Brandon actually succeeded in killing her), they could try DOUBLING them instead...If THAT didn't work, they would play with the dosages of each, one at a time, until they figured it out...Meanwhile, this kid's brain is frying...At the age of 8, after his suicide attempt, he was made a ward of the state and placed in a mental facility...After 6 months, he was determined to be 'well', was given to a foster family, was given NO drugs, and last I heard was doing well in school and turned out to be a perfectly normal kid...As of 2 years ago (last I heard), Mabel was unable to regain custody of him because of psychological problems she was still having...She was also still on various medications.

Dustin's mother (Drug-addicted, alcoholic, uneducated drama queen) : Thought perhaps all of her problems (caused by her own actions) could be solved by a psychiatrist, most likely prompted by the fact that everyone she knew kept telling her that she "needed some serious help"...I don't remember all of the different medications they experimented on her with, I could ask Dustin but I'm not waking him up...I remember that one of them was Wellbutrin, and that all of them made her "crazy", angry, abusive...Basically, just worse...Fortunately, she didn't take them long because she didn't like the way they made her feel, and friends and family kept telling her that she was much worse...After about a week without the drugs, she reverted back to her 'self', but everyone decided she was much more easily manageable that way, and she felt better, too.

Paula Jo (My cousin) : After her third child, she was "stressed, depressed, having a hard time coping"...Was diagnosed with post-partum depression and given drugs...These drugs made her feel like crying all the time (not good for 'depression', huh?), and at times made her feel 'out of it', not good when you've got 3 small kids to take care of and your husband is always working...Ater a couple of months, when she started to feel suicidal, was irritable with the kids, and family members were telling her that the drugs were making her "different" and causing her to act strangely (that and the fact that she seemed to be unable to keep her thoughts straight, and just generally felt bad), she stopped taking the pills, her husband cut back his hours and her sister came to stay with her for a while to help with the kids...Turns out taking care of 3 small kids by yourself is a bit stressful...All she needed was some help and a break...She was perfectly fine after that.

Jennifer (My sister) : As a teenager, was unable to deal with the normal teenage problems, was depressed and insecure, diagnosed as bi-polar, was given Prozac...Seemed kinda loopy to the rest of us during the month that she was taking it...After the first month, when she got her refill, she broke up with her boyfriend because they were fighting all the time, and she decided to swallow the entire bottle of Prozac along with a bottle of Ibuprofen for good measure, in my guest room...Where Seri found her, weakly banging on the floor and I took her to the emergency room and watched her gag and cry as they pumped her stomach...She never took another pill (except for the occasional migraine pill), and she has been fine ever since...Dustin hired her to work at the hotel about 6 months ago, in fact Seri hung out with her at the hotel just last night...She's still a pain in the ass, but she's not 'psychologically impaired'.

Terry David (My uncle; Mother's brother) : Had heart surgery after which he developed a staph infection while still in the hospital and nearly died...For some reason (upon his release from the hospital), a doctor felt it would be difficult for him to deal with the trauma he had just experienced without some sort of 'temporary help', so he prescribed him Paxil along with his heart medication...After one week, and a terrifying incident in which my uncle said he felt like he was fighting with himself to keep from killing himself, "I was going to kill myself, I have no idea why, but I was going to do it, I HAD to do it, and it took all my strength to stop myself because I did NOT want to die", he called the doctor to find out what the hell was going on...Turns out it was just the Paxil, dose must have been too high, no big deal...Doctor told him to cut it in half for about a week, as it would be dangerous to just abruptly stop taking it altogether, and see if he felt any better...So, my uncle hung up the phone and flushed the pills down the toilet...And that Vietnam Vet who had been more traumatized by the ordeal caused by those drugs (none of which he had ever taken at any time before), has never taken any since, and has been well, healthy and perfectly sane.

Vera (My ex sister-in-law) : Was told by teachers in her kids' public school, in the state of Texas that all 3 of her kids should be tested for ADHD and possibly medicated...She said "no way" and was informed that it wasn't merely a suggestion...She was threatened with charges of "medical neglect" if she refused to take action and "meet her children's needs"...She was properly intimidated, and of course, the kids were promptly put on medication, all 3 of them, isn't it amazing?...Perhaps teachers are getting really good at diagnosing these sort of 'illnesses'...In less than two weaks, the kids weren't the same, their behavior (and their complaints of feeling "weird", "wrong", "always tired" and "out of it") scared Vera enough to remove all 3 of her kids from public school and teach them at home, without medication...The school board no longer seemed interested in the kids' "medical needs" after they were removed from their system, and the kids are now all above the age of 18, working, living on their own and doing just fine without any medicinal aid.

[Rayne]

In the last 5 years, EVERY person that I know who has children, has been given the suggestion by teachers at their public schools (in Texas, Ohio, Indiana and Kentucky), to have their children tested for ADHD...The kids say that several times a day, several students in their classes have to go to the nurse's station to "take their meds"

I know these kids...Most of them aren't half as hyper as mine...But, mine have never been in a public school...

I have over 10 years of stories like these, involving friends and family members (and endless amounts of news articles, including episodes of school violence, involving these types of drugs), but they are all very similar and I doubt that ANYONE would read all of this anyway, so I'll stop here.

The point is...I form my opinions carefully, with much thought...I firmly believe in them, and I stick to them...I would think that most people base their opinions on personal experiences, as I'm sure you have, too.

[ChronoGrl]

This was aimed at the people who have been convinced that they need chemical assistance, when they DON'T and I firmly believe in it, despite your opinion.

Ah HA. See, you came across as though you were passing judgment on everyone who is medicated for mental and emotional disorders. I definitely agree with you that people are over-medicated. But it cannot be argued that medication is right for some people. But, as I expressed earlier, it's a tricky and unfortunately non-exact science, which is why, even if someone may need meds, they can be easily be put on the wrong meds (boy oh BOY did that happen to me once... Was put on Abilify and nearly went blind. That was a fun Senior Year in College).

In the last 5 years, EVERY person that I know who has children, has been given the suggestion by teachers at their public schools (in Texas, Ohio, Indiana and Kentucky), to have their children tested for ADHD...The kids say that several times a day, several students in their classes have to go to the nurse's station to "take their meds"

I know these kids...Most of them aren't half as hyper as mine...But, mine have never been in a public school...

I have over 10 years of stories like these, involving friends and family members (and endless amounts of news articles, including episodes of school violence, involving these types of drugs), but they are all very similar and I doubt that ANYONE would read all of this anyway, so I'll stop here.

The kid argument is different. You want to make the argument that kids, specifically, are over-medicated, I am absolutely with you on that one. It's like television, except in pill-form.

My problem was that you seemed to paint people (adults) who are currently taking medication as having a weakness or forcing a dependency, which is an ignorant statement to make ubiquitously. Sure, there are some that might find it an easy way to cope, but those who are responsible for their emotional and mental health are perfectly capable of balancing mental, physical, and emotional health alongside medication management shouldn't be subject to your criticism.

Also, it's obvious that you're speaking from personal experience. Well, so am I. As one who has observed bipolar disorder in others who were on and off meds as well as myself, I know that medication is dangerous to play with, but can honestly help those who need it. For me, well, let's just say the straight razor isn't my best friend anymore. And it wasn't just the medication that got me out of the abyss, no, but there is a significantly change between me now and then and I can honestly say that I am taking care of my self a lot better than I was in the past.

The point is...I form my opinions carefully, with much thought.

I know! Which is why I was surprised that it seemed as though you were suddenly becoming short-sighted. Just be careful with the blanket statements. While everyone speaks from their own experience, they have to realize that there are other experiences outside of their own sphere.

[AUSTIN316426808]

I've been diagnosed as bi-polar, schizophrenic, ocd, adhd, and sociopathic behavior.

I'm mildly ocd.. My temper's quick on the trigger sometimes.. That's all.

Never taken any of the meds I've been prescribed.

[Dude Guadalupe]

I just want to add a something to Rayne's post that she may have forgotten.

My cousin Jeremy was diagnosed with Multiple Personality Disorder, Rage, Bipolar Disorder. He would have blackouts and wreck the whole house, wake up the next day with no idea what happened. I used to spend a lot of time with my cousin and I came to know all of his personalities pretty well. He was prescribed various medications all of which made him worse. When they gave him prozac he became a completely different person. He was a lot meaner and even his own sister (who is closest to him) didn't want to be around him. He quit the meds and got better on his own.

My cousin Richelle used to be cool. She was diagnosed as Bipolar and started taking meds. She isn't so cool anymore, she is a lot less normal than she used to be (I use normal loosely). She, however, hasn't stopped taking her meds.

I know one person that has been helped. His name is Luke and he is the smartest person (IQ wise) that I have ever met. I'm talking off the damn charts smart. He's on Lithium, it helps him. I remember one day he brought his guitar over and we jammed all day. The next day he didn't take his meds and he came over looking for a place to hide. He was convinced the government was after him, convinced that they had captured him and he had escaped. His neighbors ended up calling his parents who had to fly in from Florida to make him take his meds.

That's the only one I know personally.

[novakru]

I've only read the last page of this, fascinating debate here.

Here's one I was wondering about: vaccinations...are they the link to children becoming autistic??

My pediatrician just did a huge article in our local paper about autism and he says there is NO evidence of this link.
But I wonder why after every vaccination my son recieves, I have to fill out a questionaire that is Obviously trying to find out if my son has autism?

I really don't know if I should allow my son to have any more vaccinations-there are just too many 'maybe' .
And the more I read and see on TV, the more nervous I get.

[Dante'sInferno]

I just want to add a something to Rayne's post that she may have forgotten.

My cousin Jeremy was diagnosed with Multiple Personality Disorder, Rage, Bipolar Disorder. He would have blackouts and wreck the whole house, wake up the next day with no idea what happened. I used to spend a lot of time with my cousin and I came to know all of his personalities pretty well. He was prescribed various medications all of which made him worse. When they gave him prozac he became a completely different person. He was a lot meaner and even his own sister (who is closest to him) didn't want to be around him. He quit the meds and got better on his own.

My cousin Richelle used to be cool. She was diagnosed as Bipolar and started taking meds. She isn't so cool anymore, she is a lot less normal than she used to be (I use normal loosely). She, however, hasn't stopped taking her meds.

I know one person that has been helped. His name is Luke and he is the smartest person (IQ wise) that I have ever met. I'm talking off the damn charts smart. He's on Lithium, it helps him. I remember one day he brought his guitar over and we jammed all day. The next day he didn't take his meds and he came over looking for a place to hide. He was convinced the government was after him, convinced that they had captured him and he had escaped. His neighbors ended up calling his parents who had to fly in from Florida to make him take his meds.

That's the only one I know personally.I would black out like that too.I would awake the next day not knowing what I did.

[Dude Guadalupe]

It's scary as hell to see someone else do it, I couldn't imagine being the one waking up the next day wondering what happened.