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05-14-2008, 09:04 PM
9-6, Seven Samurai makes a comeback out of nowhere to beat The Silence of the Lambs.
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05-14-2008, 09:08 PM
Round 2 Match 31
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Citizen Kane (1941)
Director - Orson Welles
vs.
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The Shining (1980)
Director - Stanley Kubrick
AUSTIN316426808
05-14-2008, 09:09 PM
The Shining
GorePhobia
05-14-2008, 09:26 PM
The Shining for me as well.
neverending
05-14-2008, 09:41 PM
Citizen Kane.
It's CITIZEN KANE.
fortunato
05-14-2008, 09:55 PM
Citizen Kane.
It's CITIZEN KANE.
...........................
ManchestrMorgue
05-15-2008, 12:05 AM
Citizen Kane
roshiq
05-15-2008, 12:18 AM
citizen Kane
Geddy
05-15-2008, 01:52 AM
Citizen Kane.
Disease
05-15-2008, 04:30 AM
The shining
jaybomb
05-15-2008, 05:45 AM
the shining
urgeok2
05-15-2008, 06:12 AM
again - i know citizen kane is the better film - and why ...
but due to my age and timing, the Shining had a far greater personal impact.
i can still remember my stomach dropping in the opening credit sequence where the airplane/camera was soaring over the car on the way to the Overlook, and veered off..to that haunting Wendy Carlos/Rachel Elkind score.
Dante'sInferno
05-15-2008, 06:19 AM
The Shining
Sorry Alky
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05-15-2008, 06:32 AM
6-5, The Shining makes a true comeback and pips Citizen Kane to the winning post by an inch.
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05-15-2008, 06:38 AM
Round 2 Match 32
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One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest (1975)
Director - Milos Forman
vs.
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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly (1966)
Director - Sergio Leone
urgeok2
05-15-2008, 06:42 AM
cuckoo's nest all the way
Dante'sInferno
05-15-2008, 06:56 AM
cuckoo's nest all the way
This is getting really difficult.
ferretchucker
05-15-2008, 07:24 AM
the good, the bad and the ugly.
neverending
05-15-2008, 07:43 AM
Good god- even Kubrick would have voted for Citizen Kane.
Fucking rediculous.
Bub the Zombie
05-15-2008, 08:47 AM
Good, Bad & Ugly by a mile
Citizen Kane.
It's CITIZEN KANE.
lol....you crack me up
:D
urgeok2
05-15-2008, 09:18 AM
Good god- even Kubrick would have voted for Citizen Kane.
Fucking rediculous.
i dont think most people here have seen it.
Papillon Noir
05-15-2008, 09:43 AM
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. Probably the best western ever.
illdojo
05-15-2008, 10:15 AM
The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
Kane_Hodder
05-15-2008, 10:59 AM
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. Probably the best western ever.
Word.
Couldn't agree more.
fortunato
05-15-2008, 11:07 AM
the good, the bad, and the ugly
AUSTIN316426808
05-15-2008, 11:08 AM
The Good, The Bad and The Ugly
GorePhobia
05-15-2008, 11:17 AM
The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly for sure.
pinkfloyd45769
05-15-2008, 11:21 AM
One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
Geddy
05-15-2008, 12:30 PM
One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest.
Despare
05-15-2008, 12:32 PM
One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest easily for me.
neverending
05-15-2008, 12:36 PM
Cukoo's Nest, while a very good film just does not measure up to the book, or even the play.
The Good, the Bad & the Ugly for me.
Disease
05-15-2008, 04:03 PM
One flew over the cukoos nest.
alkytrio666
05-15-2008, 04:55 PM
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. Probably the best western ever.
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. Probably the best movie ever.
And how in the name of Jesus H. Christ did Kubrick's weakest film beat out Welle's most inventive?
Despare
05-15-2008, 05:04 PM
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. Probably the best movie ever.
And how in the name of Jesus H. Christ did Kubrick's weakest film beat out Welle's most inventive?
That's your opinion, I like One Flew Over... more than most of Kubrick's films. Movies are subjective Alky, you know that, you shouldn't get so pissed off ALL the time when people don't share your view. Sergio Leone isn't perfect but at least he was able to create a masterpiece like The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly to make up for ripping off Yojimbo. ;)
Roderick Usher
05-15-2008, 05:04 PM
The Good, The Bad and The Ugly
_____V_____
05-15-2008, 06:38 PM
11-6, The Good, The Bad and The Ugly waltzes over One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest into the next round.
Which is coming up...
...next.
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05-15-2008, 06:43 PM
Round 3 Match 1
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Taxi Driver (1976)
Director - Martin Scorcese
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Grindhouse (2007)
Directors duo - Robert Rodriguez & Quentin Tarantino
neverending
05-15-2008, 06:45 PM
Here I am voting the underdog again- Taxi Driver.
GorePhobia
05-15-2008, 06:50 PM
Taxi Driver easily the better of the two.
Freak
05-15-2008, 07:15 PM
Taxi Driver
AUSTIN316426808
05-15-2008, 07:24 PM
Taxi Driver
cactus
05-15-2008, 08:34 PM
Taxi Driver
Dante'sInferno
05-15-2008, 08:35 PM
Taxi Driver,easily.
fortunato
05-15-2008, 10:05 PM
unabashedly, taxi driver.
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05-15-2008, 11:35 PM
Don't want my favorite post-2K horror movie to go vote-less so I ll toss it one.
8-1, Taxi Driver beats the sh** out of Grindhouse.
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05-15-2008, 11:40 PM
Round 3 Match 2
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No Country For Old Men (2007)
Directors duo - Joel Coen, Ethan Coen
vs.
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Dawn of the Dead (1978)
Director - George A. Romero
neverending
05-15-2008, 11:44 PM
People are going to hate you for this one, V.
But I vote for No Country for Old Men.
GorePhobia
05-16-2008, 01:28 AM
I have to agree with you neverending.
Geddy
05-16-2008, 02:57 AM
Dawn Of The Dead for me.
Disease
05-16-2008, 04:33 AM
Dawn of the Dead
urgeok2
05-16-2008, 04:40 AM
dawn of the dead
had more impact for me than almost any other film i've ever seen.
Bub the Zombie
05-16-2008, 04:40 AM
sweet jesus!
No Country For Old Men.
Dante'sInferno
05-16-2008, 05:37 AM
No Country For Old Men
I would love to see Anton kill some zombies.
Freak
05-16-2008, 07:30 AM
Dawn of the Dead
damn - damn - damn ---
Dawn of the Dead
ferretchucker
05-16-2008, 07:40 AM
Dawn of the dead.
Despare
05-16-2008, 09:14 AM
Dawn of the Dead easily, not only is it a great horror movie but I have a few memories attached to it as well.
Rayne
05-16-2008, 09:23 AM
Dawn Of The Dead
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05-16-2008, 09:45 AM
8-4, Dawn of the Dead puts its foot firmly down on No Country For Old Men.
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05-16-2008, 09:53 AM
Round 3 Match 3
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The Wild Bunch (1969)
Director - Sam Peckinpah
vs.
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The Shawshank Redemption (1994)
Director - Frank Darabont
urgeok2
05-16-2008, 09:58 AM
The Wild Bunch
fortunato
05-16-2008, 10:03 AM
the wild bunch.
ferretchucker
05-16-2008, 10:05 AM
The shawshank redemption.
pinkfloyd45769
05-16-2008, 10:12 AM
The Shawshank Redemption,i've never watched the other one.
jenna26
05-16-2008, 10:17 AM
The Wild Bunch
AUSTIN316426808
05-16-2008, 12:28 PM
Tough one for me...
The Shawshank Redemption
Papillon Noir
05-16-2008, 12:51 PM
The Wild Bunch
ManchestrMorgue
05-16-2008, 12:52 PM
The Wild Bunch
Despare
05-16-2008, 02:09 PM
Tough one for me...
The Shawshank Redemption
Couldn't have said it better.
Rayne
05-16-2008, 02:13 PM
Gotta go with Stephen King :cool:
alkytrio666
05-16-2008, 02:13 PM
The Wild Bunch.
Freak
05-16-2008, 02:40 PM
The Shawshank Redemption
GorePhobia
05-16-2008, 03:28 PM
Shawshank for sure.
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05-16-2008, 09:01 PM
7-6, The Shawshank Redemption just about barely edges out The Wild Bunch.
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05-16-2008, 09:11 PM
Round 3 Match 4
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Goodfellas (1990)
Director - Martin Scorcese
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Halloween (1978)
Director - John Carpenter
pinkfloyd45769
05-16-2008, 09:13 PM
Halloween ,for sure
neverending
05-16-2008, 09:16 PM
Goodfellas.
Fer sure.
AUSTIN316426808
05-16-2008, 09:21 PM
Goodfellas
GorePhobia
05-16-2008, 09:52 PM
Goodfellas please.
Bub the Zombie
05-16-2008, 09:58 PM
Toughest choice of the tournament so far.
Goodfellas.
alkytrio666
05-16-2008, 10:19 PM
Goodfellas.
ManchestrMorgue
05-16-2008, 10:39 PM
Goodfellas for me.
One of my all-time favourites.
IMO one of the best soundtracks ever.
Despare
05-16-2008, 10:40 PM
Halloween .
roshiq
05-17-2008, 01:38 AM
Carpenter's Halloween
Disease
05-17-2008, 04:05 AM
Halloween...........
urgeok2
05-17-2008, 04:13 AM
halloween.......
Kane_Hodder
05-17-2008, 04:38 AM
Tough, tough, tough.
Goodfellas, only for DeNiro and Scorcese.
Geddy
05-17-2008, 04:42 AM
Goodfellas.
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05-17-2008, 05:07 AM
8-5, Goodfellas shows Halloween the exit from the tournament.
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05-17-2008, 05:11 AM
Round 3 Match 5
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Unforgiven (1992)
Director - Clint Eastwood
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The Shining (1980)
Director - Stanley Kubrick
GorePhobia
05-17-2008, 05:23 AM
The Shining.
Bub the Zombie
05-17-2008, 07:24 AM
Unforgiven
Disease
05-17-2008, 07:51 AM
the shining
Dante'sInferno
05-17-2008, 08:02 AM
The Shining
Despare
05-17-2008, 08:09 AM
Unforgiven
Kane_Hodder
05-17-2008, 08:24 AM
Unforgiven.
I hated Kubrick's Shining.
neverending
05-17-2008, 09:16 AM
The Shining.
crabapple
05-17-2008, 09:22 AM
The Shining. Tough choice there.
alkytrio666
05-17-2008, 09:23 AM
Unforgiven.
The_Raven
05-17-2008, 09:32 AM
The Shining.
_____V_____
05-17-2008, 09:38 AM
The Shining. Tough choice there.
Yay! Crabby voted!! :D
6-4, The Shining just about manages to cross the winning line ahead of Unforgiven.
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05-17-2008, 09:43 AM
Round 3 Match 6
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Once Upon A Time In The West (1968)
Director - Sergio Leone
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The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (1974)
Director - Tobe Hooper
Dante'sInferno
05-17-2008, 09:48 AM
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
Disease
05-17-2008, 09:57 AM
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, my horror fan side is out right now...
X¤MurderDoll¤X
05-17-2008, 10:06 AM
Texas Chainsaw
fortunato
05-17-2008, 10:53 AM
once upon a time in the west.
cactus
05-17-2008, 10:54 AM
Once Upon a Time in the West
alkytrio666
05-17-2008, 11:08 AM
Once Upon a Time in the West.
AUSTIN316426808
05-17-2008, 11:08 AM
Once Upon a Time in the West
I agree
....
Geddy
05-17-2008, 01:44 PM
Once Upon A Time In The West.
Psycom5k
05-17-2008, 01:58 PM
Once Upon A Time in the West.
GorePhobia
05-17-2008, 03:33 PM
Once Upon a Time in the West.
That's what I'm saying.
ManchestrMorgue
05-17-2008, 03:38 PM
I am going to vote for the Saw.
Freak
05-17-2008, 04:49 PM
Once Upon A Time In The West
jenna26
05-17-2008, 07:57 PM
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
The_Return
05-17-2008, 08:49 PM
....I'll hate myself either way. I'm shooting down one of the greatest film of all time no matter how I vote.
I have to go with Texas Chainsaw on this one, I guess.
Despare
05-17-2008, 09:46 PM
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
roshiq
05-17-2008, 11:04 PM
Once Upon A Time In The West
ferretchucker
05-18-2008, 07:32 AM
Tcm.......................
_____V_____
05-18-2008, 08:58 AM
9-8, Once Upon A Time In The West scores the win despite a valiant fight put up by The Saw.
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05-18-2008, 09:03 AM
Round 3 Match 7
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Fight Club (1999)
Director - David Fincher
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Metropolis (1927)
Director - Fritz Lang
ferretchucker
05-18-2008, 09:04 AM
Metropolis...
neverending
05-18-2008, 09:14 AM
Metropolis.....
for decades it stood above anything else done in science fiction.
alkytrio666
05-18-2008, 09:15 AM
Metropolis.....
for decades it stood above anything else done in science fiction.
In many ways it still does.
Metropolis.
illdojo
05-18-2008, 09:17 AM
Both are great....but I choose Fight Club.
Dante'sInferno
05-18-2008, 09:26 AM
Metropolis.
GorePhobia
05-18-2008, 10:50 AM
Fight Club.
cactus
05-18-2008, 10:50 AM
Metropolis
AUSTIN316426808
05-18-2008, 12:23 PM
Fight Club
fortunato
05-18-2008, 12:25 PM
several times, metropolis.
Psycom5k
05-18-2008, 01:01 PM
Fight Club
Disease
05-18-2008, 02:19 PM
Fight club
ChronoGrl
05-18-2008, 02:31 PM
I still have yet to see Metropolis. :(
Fight Club by default.
GorePhobia
05-18-2008, 03:36 PM
Hmmm all tied up 6-6!!
Wonder who is gonna win!
Freak
05-18-2008, 06:30 PM
Fight Club
_____V_____
05-18-2008, 07:41 PM
7-6, Fight Club just about manages to squeeze past Metropolis.
(Thanks for the initial count, Gore)
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05-18-2008, 07:48 PM
Round 3 Match 8
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Pulp Fiction (1994)
Director - Quentin Tarantino
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Frankenstein (1931)
Director - James Whale
Freak
05-18-2008, 07:49 PM
Frankenstein
Despare
05-18-2008, 07:51 PM
Pulp Fiction
I sooooooooo would have voted Metropolis. :(
Bub the Zombie
05-18-2008, 07:52 PM
Pulp Fiction
cactus
05-18-2008, 07:57 PM
Pulp Fiction
AUSTIN316426808
05-18-2008, 07:58 PM
Pulp Fiction
neverending
05-18-2008, 08:03 PM
FRANKENSTEIN!
A landmark & trend setter.
The_Return
05-18-2008, 08:23 PM
I cant.
No vote from me this round...sorry.
_____V_____
05-18-2008, 08:37 PM
I cant.
No vote from me this round...sorry.
You do realise matchups will get increasingly more tougher as we progress, right? ;)
The_Return
05-18-2008, 08:38 PM
You do realise matchups will get increasingly more tougher as we progress, right? ;)
Denial is a wonderful thing:)
fortunato
05-18-2008, 09:22 PM
ugh, i can't believe metropolis lost out to fight club...FIGHT CLUB.
alkytrio666
05-18-2008, 09:39 PM
ugh, i can't believe metropolis lost out to fight club...FIGHT CLUB.
I know.
...wow...
...I know I've been chastised for critisizing some of these results, but come on...
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I'm gonna go with Pulp Fiction for its originality.
roshiq
05-18-2008, 09:50 PM
FRANKENSTEIN!
A landmark & trend setter.
.....Ditto
neverending
05-18-2008, 09:53 PM
I know.
...wow...
...I know I've been chastised for critisizing some of these results, but come on...
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I'm gonna go with Pulp Fiction for its originality.
FRANKENSTEIN wasn't original?
alkytrio666
05-18-2008, 10:13 PM
FRANKENSTEIN wasn't original?
In some ways it was- but in most ways it wasn't.
It took its main ideas from Shelley's novel and then produced the most basic presentation of them possible. Most of this had to do with budget/studio restrictions, but anything that wasn't taken directly from Shelley's book was some kind of simplification of it.
So if we're speaking in terms of sheer for-the-screen originality, I've gotta go with Tarantino's mothership.
neverending
05-18-2008, 10:21 PM
In some ways it was- but in most ways it wasn't.
It took its main ideas from Shelley's novel and then produced the most basic presentation of them possible. Most of this had to do with budget/studio restrictions, but anything that wasn't taken directly from Shelley's book was some kind of simplification of it.
So if we're speaking in terms of sheer for-the-screen originality, I've gotta go with Tarantino's mothership.
Humbug!
Pierce's makeup was one of the most original creations on film, ever- certainly back then! The lab created by Strickfaden was the blueprint for mad doctor's labs for 30 years. And certainly Clive's portrayal set the template for mad scientists for... forever. And the biggest inovation- playing the monster for sympathy broke tradition. The film created an entire HORROR FILM INDUSTRY. This one film, because of being such a trend setter and for capturing the audience's heart so decisively assured that horror films as a genre would enjoy a long life.
FRANKENSTEIN'S influence cannot be overestimated.
alkytrio666
05-18-2008, 10:28 PM
Humbug!
Pierce's makeup was one of the most original creations on film, ever- certainly back then! The lab created by Strickfaden was the blueprint for mad doctor's labs for 30 years. And certainly Clive's portrayal set the template for mad scientists for... forever. And the biggest inovation- playing the monster for sympathy broke tradition. The film created an entire HORROR FILM INDUSTRY. This one film, because of being such a trend setter and for capturing the audience's heart so decisively assured that horror films as a genre would enjoy a long life.
FRANKENSTEIN'S influence cannot be overestimated.
Yes, it did do all that. However, it also obliviated an originally humanistic and mature commentary on mankind and replaced it with a monster movie armed only with the intention of a "monster bad, man good" mindset.
Well, this complete mis-translation was an enormous success, and one that may have been responsible for an immediate stereotype that horror movies could not bare any kind of morale on life but instead were only created with the intention of showering their audiences with an appropriate amount of shock value followed by an inevitable victory by man.
I sincerely enjoy James Whale's Frankenstein, but its complete disregard for the intention of its source material has always been a turn-off for me, and when it is pitted against a movie like Pulp Fiction, it falls short.
If this were King Kong, things would be different.
neverending
05-18-2008, 10:41 PM
Yes, it did do all that. However, it also obliviated an originally humanistic and mature commentary on mankind and replaced it with a monster movie armed only with the intention of a "monster bad, man good" mindset.
Well, this complete mis-translation was an enormous success, and one that may have been responsible for an immediate stereotype that horror movies could not bare any kind of morale on life but instead were only created with the intention of showering their audiences with an appropriate amount of shock value followed by an inevitable victory by man.
I sincerely enjoy James Whale's Frankenstein, but its complete disregard for the intention of its source material has always been a turn-off for me, and when it is pitted against a movie like Pulp Fiction, it falls short.
If this were King Kong, things would be different.
With all due respect, I belive you have completely misread the film. Karloff's monster is clearly shown as a tortured soul and a sympathetic character. We are not lead to root for the lumbering mob, but for the poor confused creature who has no idea how to function in the world.
I'm sorry, but I COMPLETELY disagree with your analysis and the legacy the film left us with. In fact I find it to be exactly OPPOSITE what you say. In later Universal Frankenstein films the creature was demoted to a mere thug, but in the first three, it's the monster we root for. The Dr. even says this- that he considers the creature to be a man.
In the book Frankenstein hates his creation and wants only to kill it. He never sees his creation as a man. This is, indeed a basic difference in the book, but I believe it results in exactly to opposite effect on the audience than you describe.
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05-19-2008, 01:28 AM
Very interesting discussion.
5-3, Pulp Fiction leads over Frankenstein.
ManchestrMorgue
05-19-2008, 01:47 AM
Frankenstein .
Kane_Hodder
05-19-2008, 01:48 AM
Pulp Fiction.
neverending
05-19-2008, 03:32 AM
To clarify my point- I'm not arguing that Frankenstein is a great adaptation of the book- of course it is not. But I AM arguing it's a GREAT movie, an iconic horror film which stands as a landmark in film history which had a great influence on the film industry. The sequel was better, but Frankenstein paved the way.
In the same way One Flew Over the Cukoo's Nest is an AWFUL, AWFUL adaptation of the book. It dumbs down the story, radically changes the focus and lacks both the subtelety and impact of the novel. Kesey hated it so much at the time he demanded his name not be used in any way in conjunction with the film. Yet it's a great movie that stands on its own and deserves its place in film history.
Disease
05-19-2008, 04:04 AM
Frankenstein
The_Raven
05-19-2008, 04:36 AM
Pulp Fiction.
No denying Frankenstein's status, but Pulp is the more complete entertainer of the two.
_____V_____
05-19-2008, 05:02 AM
7-5, Pulp Fiction just about manages to speed past the finish line at the final moments.
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05-19-2008, 05:08 AM
Round 3 Match 9
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Die Hard (1988)
Director - John McTiernan
vs.
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Apocalypse Now (1979)
Director - Francis Ford Coppola
hammerfan
05-19-2008, 05:21 AM
Apocalypse Now
jaybomb
05-19-2008, 05:56 AM
die hard..
neverending
05-19-2008, 07:10 AM
7-5, Pulp Fiction just about manages to speed past the finish line at the final moments.
@#%$$$@%$^@#^$!!!!!
neverending
05-19-2008, 07:11 AM
Apocalypse Now
missmacabre
05-19-2008, 07:15 AM
apocalypse Now
Disease
05-19-2008, 08:11 AM
Apocalypse now
Bub the Zombie
05-19-2008, 08:12 AM
Die Hard
GorePhobia
05-19-2008, 08:18 AM
Apocalypse Now.
alkytrio666
05-19-2008, 08:49 AM
Apocalypse Now.
With all due respect, I belive you have completely misread the film. Karloff's monster is clearly shown as a tortured soul and a sympathetic character. We are not lead to root for the lumbering mob, but for the poor confused creature who has no idea how to function in the world.
I'm sorry, but I COMPLETELY disagree with your analysis and the legacy the film left us with. In fact I find it to be exactly OPPOSITE what you say. In later Universal Frankenstein films the creature was demoted to a mere thug, but in the first three, it's the monster we root for. The Dr. even says this- that he considers the creature to be a man.
In the book Frankenstein hates his creation and wants only to kill it. He never sees his creation as a man. This is, indeed a basic difference in the book, but I believe it results in exactly to opposite effect on the audience than you describe.
How are we supposed to relate Karloff's monster to a human being when it functions so blatantly as a monster? In the novel, the creature has a drive to be a free spirit, and goes about learning language and studying human function and family relation.
A perfect example is the scene in which the monster kills a child. In the book, it is out of frustration; he siezes the child and begs him to help him, but is only jabbed at with monster remarks and hideous screams of detestation. Out of panic and pure, spur-of-the-moment anger, the monster murders the child. Afterwards, he experiences sensations of power but also, later, guilt, a feeling of absolute humanity. In the movie, the victim is a little girl (of course, it's much more shocking!), and, as Mel Brooks pointed out years later in his comic spoof, throws the girl in the water because he can- they are out of flower petals, and he realizes he has the strength to drown the poor being. There is no call for the murder, and we, as an audience, are given no post-murder scenes of remorse or feeling at all. The creature simple bumbles onward.
In Shelley's novel, the monster can think for himself, and obviously adapts humanistic emotions; in the movie, there is NO transformation between the creation of the monster and the death of him. Think of the most iconic screen capture from the film; it is Karloff emerging from his dungeon with a horrifying look of murder in his eyes- this is right before he murder's the doctor's assistant. And this image, this iconic, monsterous Karloff look, is the image that every person knows when the word Frankenstein is mentioned. This image. Not the image from the book where the monster pours out his guilty sins to a ship captain while tears literally stream down his face, not the scene from the book where he watches a family for a year and a half, dreaming of one day joining that family and living in peace.
I guess I may have watched the film with different eyes, but when I see the ending I am left with a barbaric feeling of relief when the monster is destroyed and Dr. Frankenstein (thank God!) is returned to his rich household and beautiful, longing wife. There is no push for sympathy- instead, there is the idea that man created monster, man destroyed monster, man shouldn't play God- but if we do, we can handle it.
Note that I am not speaking of Bride of Frankenstein, only the first installment.
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05-19-2008, 08:52 AM
7-2, Apocalypse Now sweeps over Die Hard.
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05-19-2008, 08:56 AM
Round 3 Match 10
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Blade Runner (1982)
Director - Ridley Scott
vs.
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Battle Royale aka Batoru Rowaiaru (2000)
Director - Kinji Fukasaku
neverending
05-19-2008, 09:00 AM
He doesn't throw the girl in- he gently places her in the water out of sheer dumb innocence- he sees her as a pretty flower.
And the look on the creature's face is desperation.
He murders Fritz to end his own torment, unable to deal with Fritz's torture any longer.
alkytrio666
05-19-2008, 09:05 AM
He doesn't throw the girl in- he gently places her in the water out of sheer dumb innocence- he sees her as a pretty flower.
And the look on the creature's face is desperation.
He murders Fritz to end his own torment, unable to deal with Fritz's torture any longer.
Well, agree to disagree. Still friends? :)
Blade Runner.
neverending
05-19-2008, 09:12 AM
Well, agree to disagree. Still friends? :)
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Naturally!
GorePhobia
05-19-2008, 09:17 AM
Blade Runner.
hammerfan
05-19-2008, 09:18 AM
Blade Runner
Despare
05-19-2008, 09:19 AM
I couldn't choose, I love both films so much for such different reasons. I will stop the slaughter with a vote for Battle Royale.
neverending
05-19-2008, 09:20 AM
Blade Runner
Disease
05-19-2008, 09:27 AM
Blade Runner
Papillon Noir
05-19-2008, 09:41 AM
Battle Royale. Tough choice though, but it just had so much originality and satire.
Geddy
05-19-2008, 10:39 AM
Bladerunner.
AUSTIN316426808
05-19-2008, 10:47 AM
Battle Royale
The_Return
05-19-2008, 10:51 AM
Battle Royale
Blade Runner was fun, but it didnt really blow me away.
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05-19-2008, 10:59 AM
6-4, Blade Runner stops a late comeback by Battle Royale.
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05-19-2008, 11:06 AM
Round 3 Match 11
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Seven Samurai aka Shichinin No Samurai (1954)
Director - Akira Kurosawa
vs.
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Night of the Living Dead (1968)
Director - George A. Romero
fortunato
05-19-2008, 11:11 AM
holy mustard!
this one's going to take me some time.
alkytrio666
05-19-2008, 11:21 AM
Yeesh!
Seven Samurai.
GorePhobia
05-19-2008, 11:28 AM
Yeesh!
Seven Samurai.
My exact same thought process.
Psycom5k
05-19-2008, 11:49 AM
Night Of the Living Dead.
illdojo
05-19-2008, 01:15 PM
Romero's 1968 masterpiece.
Freak
05-19-2008, 01:16 PM
Night of the Living Dead
ferretchucker
05-19-2008, 01:30 PM
Night of the living dead.
hammerfan
05-19-2008, 01:33 PM
Night of the Living Dead
missmacabre
05-19-2008, 01:42 PM
night of the living dead
The_Return
05-19-2008, 02:40 PM
Night of the Living Dead for me, as well.
I really need to check some of Kurosawa's work...haven't seen any:(
Despare
05-19-2008, 03:12 PM
Night of the Living Dead for me, as well.
I really need to check some of Kurosawa's work...haven't seen any:(
Yes you do, he is incredible. Drunken Angel, Rashômon, Seven Samurai, Ran, The Hidden Fortress, Yojimbo, Kagemusha... I could pretty much list any of his films here. Hidden Fortress inspired Lucas with characters in Star Wars, Yojimbo was pretty much recreated by Leone with A Fistful of Dollars, Drunken Angel is a beautiful noir picture... I could go on and on. Such an influential director with such amazing pieces.
Night of the Living Dead
AUSTIN316426808
05-19-2008, 04:20 PM
Night of the Living Dead
Dante'sInferno
05-19-2008, 04:31 PM
Night of the Living Dead
cactus
05-19-2008, 07:36 PM
Night of the Living Dead
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05-19-2008, 09:31 PM
11-2, Night of the Living Dead whoops Seven Samurai's collective butts.
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05-19-2008, 09:35 PM
Round 3 Match 12
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Blazing Saddles (1974)
Director - Mel Brooks
vs.
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Rosemary's Baby (1968)
Director - Roman Polanski
Psycom5k
05-19-2008, 09:42 PM
Rosemary's Baby for me please.
GorePhobia
05-19-2008, 09:54 PM
Blazing Saddles.
alkytrio666
05-19-2008, 10:07 PM
Hmmm.
Blazing Saddles.
neverending
05-19-2008, 10:34 PM
Blazing Saddles
AUSTIN316426808
05-19-2008, 10:35 PM
Rosemary's Baby
roshiq
05-19-2008, 11:18 PM
Rosemary's Baby
ManchestrMorgue
05-19-2008, 11:39 PM
Rosemary's Baby
Geddy
05-20-2008, 03:37 AM
Rosemary's Baby.
hammerfan
05-20-2008, 06:30 AM
One of my favorite movies: Rosemary's Baby
ferretchucker
05-20-2008, 07:31 AM
Rosemary's baby.
missmacabre
05-20-2008, 07:54 AM
Rosemary's Baby
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05-20-2008, 07:59 AM
8-3, Rosemary's Baby kicks Blazing Saddles off its mighty horse.
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05-20-2008, 08:07 AM
Round 3 Match 13
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Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
Director - Steven Spielberg
vs.
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Casablanca (1942)
Director - Michael Curtiz
neverending
05-20-2008, 08:08 AM
Casablanca
alkytrio666
05-20-2008, 08:08 AM
This one's easy. Casablanca.
hammerfan
05-20-2008, 08:11 AM
Absolutely Casablanca
Dante'sInferno
05-20-2008, 08:27 AM
This one's easy. Casablanca.What he said.
Bub the Zombie
05-20-2008, 09:25 AM
Casablanca
urgeok2
05-20-2008, 09:27 AM
oh once again i'm going to take shit for this ..
but Raiders had a far greater impact on me than Casablanca did.
(not sure if thats the criteria for voting or not - but it's been what i've been using.
hammerfan
05-20-2008, 09:32 AM
oh once again i'm going to take shit for this ..
but Raiders had a far greater impact on me than Casablanca did.
(not sure if thats the criteria for voting or not - but it's been what i've been using.
That's what I've been using, too.
Despare
05-20-2008, 09:47 AM
oh once again i'm going to take shit for this ..
but Raiders had a far greater impact on me than Casablanca did.
(not sure if thats the criteria for voting or not - but it's been what i've been using.
I've been switching my criteria around but for this one I'm choosing fun and Raiders was one hell of a ride. At my young age, I hadn't seen a movie like it.
fortunato
05-20-2008, 09:50 AM
casablanca.
Papillon Noir
05-20-2008, 10:29 AM
Casablanca
_____V_____
05-20-2008, 10:43 AM
7-2, Casablanca absolutely waltzes all over Indy and the Raiders of the Lost Ark.
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05-20-2008, 10:53 AM
Round 3 Match 14
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Star Wars V: The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
Director - Irvin Kershner
vs.
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American Psycho (2000)
Director - Mary Harron
Despare
05-20-2008, 10:53 AM
Star Wars
hammerfan
05-20-2008, 10:56 AM
The Empire Strikes Back
AUSTIN316426808
05-20-2008, 10:58 AM
American Psycho
Doc Faustus
05-20-2008, 10:59 AM
Empire. American Psycho pales in comparison to the book and was a disappointment to me. Plus, it almost completely stole a sequence from Night Train to Terror aesthetically.
illdojo
05-20-2008, 11:22 AM
The Empire Stikes Back.
Despare
05-20-2008, 11:24 AM
American Psycho pales in comparison to the book and was a disappointment to me.
I loved the movie and the book, but I felt they told two completely different stories. Empire had such an impact and told such a fantastic story, I may have to watch it again soon. :)
Papillon Noir
05-20-2008, 11:50 AM
American Psycho
neverending
05-20-2008, 11:55 AM
American Psycho
I just hate Star Wars.
Dante'sInferno
05-20-2008, 11:56 AM
American Psycho
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05-20-2008, 11:58 AM
4-4, anyone's match.
alkytrio666
05-20-2008, 12:20 PM
American Psycho.
fortunato
05-20-2008, 12:26 PM
american psycho.
Freak
05-20-2008, 01:46 PM
American Psycho
GorePhobia
05-20-2008, 02:00 PM
American Psycho
Disease
05-20-2008, 02:55 PM
American Psycho
jaybomb
05-20-2008, 03:11 PM
the empire strikes back
Geddy
05-20-2008, 03:40 PM
American Psycho.
_____V_____
05-20-2008, 09:32 PM
:eek:
10-5, American Psycho beats the pants off The Empire Strikes Back. (:confused: )
Wtf...
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05-20-2008, 09:38 PM
Round 3 Match 15
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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly (1967)
Director - Sergio Leone
vs.
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To Kill A Mockingbird (1962)
Director - Robert Mulligan