Zombie Vs Shark

[ChronoGrl]

So I just watched the vernerable Fulci's Zombie (http://imdb.com/title/tt0080057/) for the first time and was witness to quite possibly the best showdown in horror movie history ever: SHARK VS ZOMBIE.

For those who haven't seen the movie, I found the scene on YouTube here:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hSPG9QQg4C0

Essentially, the crew takes a real shark, dopes it up, and sends a crazy stuntman dressed in zombie garb to wrastle it.

Aside from this scene being amazing, it brought up a few questions:


After the shark chews off the zombie's arm, does it now become a zombie shark?
If the shark is, indeed, a zombie shark, does it go after other sharks and thus perpetuate the subversive zombie agenda underseas?
Could a bite from this zombie shark spread the zombie virus back to people?



Or, more importantly, let's talk about Fulci's movies. This is the firs and only Fulci that I've seen. What do people think about Zombie (Zombie 2), and Fulci's work in general? I figure since we have 2 Argento threads, we might as well spread the Giallo Love (or Hate as it may be).

[fortunato]

So I just watched the vernerable Fulci's Zombie (http://imdb.com/title/tt0080057/) for the first time and was witness to quite possibly the best showdown in horror movie history ever: SHARK VS ZOMBIE.

ah! mazel tov! mazel tov!

Aside from this scene being amazing, it brought up a few questions:

After the shark chews off the zombie's arm, does it now become a zombie shark?
If the shark is, indeed, a zombie shark, does it go after other sharks and thus perpetuate the subversive zombie agenda underseas?
Could a bite from this zombie shark spread the zombie virus back to people?


let's see:

sharks have incredible immune systems: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/427504/is_the_shark_immune_to_all_diseases.html
so they'd at least have a way better chance of not turning (or a chance, period).

if a bite from a zombie human turned the shark into a zombie shark, i don't see why it wouldn't perpetuate the zombie virus underseas. after all, brain activity in human zombies is reduced to something primal. only the need to satisfy hunger drives them. it'd be the same in a shark, i guess.

i don't see why not.

Or, more importantly, let's talk about Fulci's movies. This is the firs and only Fulci that I've seen. What do people think about Zombie (Zombie 2), and Fulci's work in general? I figure since we have 2 Argento threads, we might as well spread the Giallo Love (or Hate as it may be).

i really enjoy fulci's work (mostly). he's made quite a few duds, too, of course. i really enjoy the beyond (http://imdb.com/title/tt0082307/), the house by the cemetery (http://imdb.com/title/tt0082966/), don't torture a duckling (http://imdb.com/title/tt0069019/), lizard in a woman's skin (http://imdb.com/title/tt0067361/), and he's even made some spaghetti westerns.

[DarkWanderer]

if a bite from a zombie human turned the shark into a zombie shark, i don't see why it wouldn't perpetuate the zombie virus underseas. after all, brain activity in human zombies is reduced to something primal. only the need to satisfy hunger drives them. it'd be the same in a shark, i guess.

Isn't that pretty much what sharks are about anyway...eating and making baby sharks? As a zombie they would be reduced to just the eating piece.

Hey, what happens to those little sucker fish that cling to the shark? Do they also become zombified?

[ChronoGrl]

if a bite from a zombie human turned the shark into a zombie shark, i don't see why it wouldn't perpetuate the zombie virus underseas. after all, brain activity in human zombies is reduced to something primal. only the need to satisfy hunger drives them. it'd be the same in a shark, i guess.


So the first thing that I thought of when I read this comment:

Crossover.

Good point - For zombies, brain activity is reduced to something primal, similar to a shark. But what if these are super-brain-shark zombies.

DEEP BLUE SEA II, anyone?!?!?!?!

I think we have a pitch here, Fortunado.


i really enjoy fulci's work (mostly). he's made quite a few duds, too, of course. i really enjoy the beyond (http://imdb.com/title/tt0082307/), the house by the cemetery (http://imdb.com/title/tt0082966/), don't torture a duckling (http://imdb.com/title/tt0069019/), lizard in a woman's skin (http://imdb.com/title/tt0067361/), and he's even made some spaghetti westerns.

I currently have Don't Torture a Duckling and Lizard in Woman's Skin next on my Netflix queue. Unfortunately, The Beyond wasn't available, which... Just doesn't make sense to me.

I'll check out The House by the Cemetery too - Thanks for the rec. I honestly thought that his direction was really well done (the shower to the eye-gouging scene was simply beautiful, creepy, and well composed). I thought that Fulci handled his limited budget excellently and balanced the right amount of gore and gratuitous nudity, and wraps things up in a nice bleak ending. It was honestly a 4-star for me.


Hey, what happens to those little sucker fish that cling to the shark? Do they also become zombified?

Depends. I'd imagine that the undead sharks would suffer from the same dead skin issues that human zombies have, so their shark skin would peel, and it would come off on the suckers' lips and its ingestion would most likely spread the zombie virus.

[Zero]

zombie monkey sharks - - - - damn that's cool

[newb]

The zombie vs shark scene was very cool.


almost as cool as Batman vs shark.

http://thomaswood.blogsome.com/images/shark.JPG

[fortunato]

So the first thing that I thought of when I read this comment:

Crossover.

Good point - For zombies, brain activity is reduced to something primal, similar to a shark. But what if these are super-brain-shark zombies.

DEEP BLUE SEA II, anyone?!?!?!?!

I think we have a pitch here, Fortunado.

ooo, yes. i'd say we do!
let's see...

government experimentation on sharks (perhaps they're trying to figure out what makes their immune systems so awesome so that they may harvest something to use in humans) leads to a freak accident, releasing a horde of super-brain sharks in the ocean (right near a heavily-populated shore, of course). then, when some sort of radioactive freak chemical also gets dumped into the water (somehow...), the sharks become super-brain shark zombies. this heavily-population shore town has no idea what they're in for. it's...

megalodamnation: attack of the super-brain shark zombies!!!

sweet, now if only we could get a horror legend to direct it... (where's rod?)

zombie monkey sharks - - - - damn that's cool
actually, this is a good idea too. maybe we can incorporate this into the inevitable sequel. zero, we'll definitely need you to help as a monkey consultant. they only problem is: how might a zombie monkey shark fling poo with only a fin?

almost as cool as Batman vs shark.

oh that scene is sooo hilarious.

"robin, hand me the bat-shark repellent!"

*batman sprays shark vigorously whilst kicking it in the face*
*shark falls and explodes*

[ChronoGrl]

The zombie vs shark scene was very cool.


almost as cool as Batman vs shark.

http://thomaswood.blogsome.com/images/shark.JPG

Now my second favorite SHARK BATTLE scene of all time (followed by Mr. LL Cool J of course). I simply had to YouTube it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=X0UJaprpxrk

Newb - Will you be the Robin to my Batman? I want to see you in those green bikini bottoms.

ooo, yes. i'd say we do!
let's see...

government experimentation on sharks (perhaps they're trying to figure out what makes their immune systems so awesome so that they may harvest something to use in humans) leads to a freak accident, releasing a horde of super-brain sharks in the ocean (right near a heavily-populated shore, of course). then, when some sort of radioactive freak chemical also gets dumped into the water (somehow...), the sharks become super-brain shark zombies. this heavily-population shore town has no idea what they're in for. it's...

megalodamnation: attack of the super-brain shark zombies!!!

sweet, now if only we could get a horror legend to direct it... (where's rod?)

megalodamnation - I think I love you.

Could this cinematic zombie-infested shore be host to a nudist paradise? Oh, I think so too.

AND as a byproduct of this freak radioactive chemical, the sharks suddenly... GROW LEGS!

*envisions super-brain shark zombies running on two legs through a beachside nudist colony*

Beautiful.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/Chronogrl/shark_web_feet.gif

Holy shit! So I just google image-searched "shark candygram" so as to get a really cheesy image of a guy dressed up as a shark to prove my point... But instead I found Malaysian Fisherman Reels in Shark with Webbed Feet (http://www.underwatertimes.com/news.php?article_id=73210864950)!

My GOD, they're already here.

[Bub the Zombie]

To me, Fulci as a filmmaker held a lot of potential. His early gialli, Una Lucertola con la Pelle di Donna (A Lizard in a Woman's Skin) and Non si Sevizia un Paperino (Don't Torture The Duckling) showed intelligence, eyes for details and a swarthy outlook for the plots he constructed.

Even when he achieved much critical and popular success for Zombi 2, E tu Vivrai nel Terrore - L'aldila (The Beyond) and Lo Squartatore di New York (The New York Ripper), his vapid sense of adding sensationalism to gore affected his genius in film-making. He was great at utilising a film budget, and often got the best out of the meagre resources at hand, but overall, Fulci remains a pale shadow of a brilliant self - much like Dr Freudstein of his trademark film, Quella villa accanto al cimitero (The House by the Cemetery). He will always be remembered as someone who delivered much lesser than what he had potential for.

[fortunato]

Could this cinematic zombie-infested shore be host to a nudist paradise? Oh, I think so too.

AND as a byproduct of this freak radioactive chemical, the sharks suddenly... GROW LEGS!

*envisions super-brain shark zombies running on two legs through a beachside nudist colony*

Beautiful.

oh, perfect!
so it'll actually be: super-brain shark zombies running on two legs through a beachside nudist colony, tearing through beautiful nude women, flinging gore all about as everyone else panics, running into each other.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/Chronogrl/shark_web_feet.gif

Holy shit! So I just google image-searched "shark candygram" so as to get a really cheesy image of a guy dressed up as a shark to prove my point... But instead I found Malaysian Fisherman Reels in Shark with Webbed Feet (http://www.underwatertimes.com/news.php?article_id=73210864950)!

My GOD, they're already here.

ah! it looks like megalodamnation just got scarier!

beachside nudist paradises beware!

[Zero]

actually, this is a good idea too. maybe we can incorporate this into the inevitable sequel. zero, we'll definitely need you to help as a monkey consultant. they only problem is: how might a zombie monkey shark fling poo with only a fin?



simple = projectile pooping through the blow hole (ok i know shark's don't have blow holes, but zombie monkey sharks might!)

[Despare]

When you think about it the shark swimming is a beautiful thing, very fast and very fluid. I really don't think a zombie shark or fish would be capable of swimming and can only picture it hungrily twitching on the ocean floor until the end of time.

[Elvis_Christ]

I really should rewatch some Fulci flicks I'm just so far behind with shit I haven't seen...

The New York Ripper is my favorite of his a totally brutal trash/slashfest.

[fortunato]

simple = projectile pooping through the blow hole (ok i know shark's don't have blow holes, but zombie monkey sharks might!)

perfect! i think you're definitely right about zombie monkey sharks having blowholes. i mean, i'm no scientist, but...

those nudists will never know what hit them...until it's too late!

[ChronoGrl]

To me, Fulci as a filmmaker held a lot of potential. His early gialli, Una Lucertola con la Pelle di Donna (A Lizard in a Woman's Skin) and Non si Sevizia un Paperino (Don't Torture The Duckling) showed intelligence, eyes for details and a swarthy outlook for the plots he constructed.

Even when he achieved much critical and popular success for Zombi 2, E tu Vivrai nel Terrore - L'aldila (The Beyond) and Lo Squartatore di New York (The New York Ripper), his vapid sense of adding sensationalism to gore affected his genius in film-making. He was great at utilising a film budget, and often got the best out of the meagre resources at hand, but overall, Fulci remains a pale shadow of a brilliant self - much like Dr Freudstein of his trademark film, Quella villa accanto al cimitero (The House by the Cemetery). He will always be remembered as someone who delivered much lesser than what he had potential for.

So I just saw Lizard in a Woman's Skin (http://imdb.com/title/tt0067361/) and I have to say that I agree with Bub - I thought that Fulci's direction and eye for detail and color was absolutely stunning. The dubbing was significantly better than Zombie, and I thought that his use of sound was both interesting and successful at creating mood (the detective's eerie whistle was well-placed and not annoying, as I worried it would be at first). I also thought that he handled the Acid House aspect to the film quite well, without letting it get too overwrought or too distracting.

HOWEVER, I ultimately thought that the film was a little flat and dry. I felt as though there should have been... more to it , either through gore or horror or emotion... But something felt flat to me. Of course, that could have been the point (this was, after all more of an investigative thriller than a horror/slasher movie), but I honestly felt, at the end that something was ultimately missing.

My favorite set of scenes was most definitely the chase in the old Church. It felt obviously reminiscent of Vertigo and successfully built mood and suspense (though the end I thought was rather anticlimactic and too much deus ex machina).

Overall, while I felt the movie was flat, it was absolutely compelling. There wasn't a single moment that I wanted to turn it off and give up, which was impressive. I actually cared about the characters, was impressed by direction, and wanted to know what would happen next... And that, afterall, is part of The Point.

I give it 3 out of 5 stars.

Any other thoughts on Lizard in Woman's Skin?

[jenna26]

As I mentioned before, somewhere, Woman in a Lizard's Skin is one of the few Fulci films I REALLY like. I think the film has fantastic atmosphere, is often very strange, and it kept me intrigued throughout the whole film. This is usually not the case when I am watching a Fulci film, I often find myself bored for some reason.
The only Fulci film I like more, of the ones I have seen, is Don't Torture A Duckling.

[ChronoGrl]

As I mentioned before, somewhere, Woman in a Lizard's Skin is one of the few Fulci films I REALLY like. I think the film has fantastic atmosphere, is often very strange, and it kept me intrigued throughout the whole film. This is usually not the case when I am watching a Fulci film, I often find myself bored for some reason.
The only Fulci film I like more, of the ones I have seen, is Don't Torture A Duckling.

I definitely agree - I was riveted throughout the film, which is impressive especially since I am fluish and have very little attention span.

And I have DTaD on my Netflix queue at position 1. However, for whatever reason, there is a "Very Long Wait." :(

[urgeok2]

not a fan of Fulci

not by lack of trying - i have a big bunch of his movies and have watched several of them ... but i just can't get into this guy ...

the reasons i don't like him are the reasons other people do ..

i think he's like a raw choppy hack .. but that's endearing to others ..

i'm an argento guy through and through.

[zwoti]

not a fan of Fulci


http://www.iheartpaws.com/forums/images/smilies/2141.gif

[urgeok2]

[IMG]movie


i was sure you'd respond with :

"2 in the stomach, 1 in the head,
2 in the stomach, 1 in the head"


;)

[zwoti]

i was sure you'd respond with :

"2 in the stomach, 1 in the head,
2 in the stomach, 1 in the head"


;)

i'll save that arguement for when i ready need it :cool:

[crabapple]

Perhaps you can imagine a zombie shark flopping around on the ocean floor, swimming in search of food and then going right into a rock...wondering "what the heck was that" and then doing it again, swimming head first right into the rock, then wandering away (although it might swim into the rock a third time, just for fun)...sharks do not have voices, so a shark cannot go "Uhhhhhh....uhhhhhhhhhhh!" but it could certainly gurgle or make shark sounds that would be the shark equivalent of a zombie's moan.

[The Mothman]

Or, more importantly, let's talk about Fulci's movies. This is the firs and only Fulci that I've seen. What do people think about Zombie (Zombie 2), and Fulci's work in general? I figure since we have 2 Argento threads, we might as well spread the Giallo Love (or Hate as it may be).

The New York Ripper has some rather nsaty scenes, however its pretty slow...and the killer make quaking noises, kinda kills the atmosphere.
House By The Cemetery is a good one. not one of his more well made films, however is a good late night watch.
City of The Living Dead is great. good sountrack, well directed, some rediculous gore scenes.
Zombie 3, it pretty bad, but is a decont watch if you like that kinda stuff.
ive been wanting to see Four of The Apocolypse, a western-horror type movie.

Zombie is the best one by far.

[ChronoGrl]

Honestly, I just watched House by the Cemetery the other night and I found it incredibly... overrated.

I thought that the story was incongruent and misleading; this film definitely had more of the surreal incongruent and abstract qualities of typical Giallo than his other film has, but to me, I just thought that it did not make sense.

What confused me more than anything else: This is a haunted house/zombie movie; it should have been a softball.

Yet I thought that the story was definitely waffling when reaching for reasons and backstory. Whereas I was captivated with "Women in Lizard's Skin," I found myself wondering with this movie, "Geez, what's the goddamn point?!"

After watching House in the Cemetery, I definitely agree with Bub: Fulci is definitely a brilliant director; there's no question about that. But he is not living up to his potential. He should have focused less on insipid plot and more in fear and splatter-punk. It's obvious that this is the beginning of splatter punk, but not really enough to qualify wholly.

Needless to say, I was incredibly disappointed.

Anyone else want to comment on House by the Cemetery? How about in the zombie genre? I found it incredibly lacking; it could have been so much better.

[Despare]

I enjoyed House by the Cemetery but Fulci's stuff is pretty hit or miss. He's one of the few directors I know of that horror fans are so divided over. Some people think he's a genius and others feel he's a hack. I may watch this one again soon just to make sure I still like it as much but my transfer is pretty shoddy.

[Bub the Zombie]

Most fans adore his later work, but Fulci's early gialli were the high points of his career. He also made a handful of westerns which were pretty good. You might want to check them out too.

[ferretchucker]

It's a bit of a slow paced fight but I still think it's better (and more realistic in the way they'd act) than if it was all done on CGI and the shark would be super fast and strong etc.


Good film though and I love the splinter scene. Still makes me shudder.

[jenna26]

Honestly, I just watched House by the Cemetery the other night and I found it incredibly... overrated.


I think most of Fulci's films are overrated myself. I find his zombie films pretty bland for the most part. Good gore, for sure. But otherwise, not too interesting and I really, REALLY dislike The Beyond. I do like City of the Living Dead pretty good. As for House by the Cemetery, not sure if I even saw it, it sounds familiar but if I did, I don't remember it all that well. Not shocking.