My Beef with Return of the Living Dead

[nightbreed]

Ok heres my complaint about the series that kinda kills it for me. If the Trioxin has the ability to re-animate the flesh of the dead, and it is a chemical agent- then it must fallow the laws of physics and science. You can reanimate a skeletal arm all you want, but there is no scientific way that it would be able to move on its own without muscle contraction, and theres no way you can get muscle contraction without brain activity. So if i dip a severed leg in Trioxin, physically theres no way in blue hell that its going to be able to hop around or move because there is no nerve connection and the muscles cannot contract.

See this is why i like the Romero Trinity. because they made sense giving their criteria. If it was a virus in Romeros film it would make sense that you could take down a zombie by distroying the brain, or seperating the central nervous system.

In ROTLD they directly attribute the reanimation of corpses to Trioxin, a chemical compound, yet fail to fallow up with simple common sense rules that would apply to it. Unless there is some magical force animating the flesh, theres no way a hand could just get up and walk off, theres no way a decapitated corpse would get up and run around trying to strangle people.

I mean if we're dealing with some kind of magical reanimation thats one thing, but if were going with science then there a re some basic rules that need o be fallowed. And ROTLD walks all over them.

[avenger00soul]

I don't think they cared about all that when they made it. It's just a fun, popcorn movie. I'm sure it doesn't stand up to many analyses. I really don't have a good explanation.

[mudsliptones]

and how about that skeleton with eyes that pops out of the ground.......
lol
you are right, there are allot of movies wich such mistakes, just go with the flow I say

[cheebacheeba]

My beef with ROTLD: It ripped off (or whatever the fans'll no doubt say it did) a far SUPERIOR series, and turned it into a comedy....that is all.

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by cheebacheeba
My beef with ROTLD: It ripped off (or whatever the fans'll no doubt say it did) a far SUPERIOR series, and turned it into a comedy....that is all.

I don't think you can call it a rip-off. If several key people who worked on NOTLD are involved (co-writer and producer), it's not a rip-off. You can't rip-off yourself.

[crazy clown]

i never would have thought of that, but now that you break it down to me then i guess it makes since.

[cheebacheeba]

avenger..."(or whatever the fans'll no doubt say it did)"
u know, didn't mean exactly rip off, as I figured some of the same ppl were involved, but....u kinda know what I mean? I myself woulda loved those efforts to go towards continuing the original trilogy instead...ROTLD just seemed so...Troma when I saw it...

[avenger00soul]

I'm a big fan of both series. I'm glad they took it in a different direction, but wouldn't mind seeing some more serious zombie flicks made.

[cheebacheeba]

here's my "HELL YEAH!" to that....

[avenger00soul]

Cheeb, I know we discussed this before, but have you seen Undead? I remember us talking about it b/c you live in Australia but I haven't seen it yet. Is it serious, or comical?

[cheebacheeba]

I actually just saw it about a week ago....I know Ive probably said this b4, but I hate "aussie" kinda aussie films, yknow?
Its a very good effort, it's comical, yet slightly serious, nowhere near as comical as say "dead alive" (braindead here), has quiet a cool twist to the conventional zombie flick...there's like, alien involvement to that end, but I won't say how, but I feel as though this part of the movie points to sequel potential (whatevers really going on between the zombies and the aliens) Overall I'd say worth a watch, I mean, U get to see zombies chopped in half, missing half their head, getting legs blown off....and get this...zombie fish!!! heh-heh
they supposedly had a higher budget on special fx that any other australian film ever, and that, for one, very much shows.
I think you'd like it.

[avenger00soul]

Cool. I have no idea when it will be released over here, but I'll be looking forward to it.

[cheebacheeba]

***sorry***

[avenger00soul]

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[cheebacheeba]

so...back to zombie film then....definately see undead, one way or another.....even if only for the fx.... just wondering, out of the notld series, ur favourite would be??? I have a feeling I know the answer on the basis or like, EVERYONE, but I'll ask all the same.

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by cheebacheeba
so...back to zombie film then....definately see undead, one way or another.....even if only for the fx.... just wondering, out of the notld series, ur favourite would be??? I have a feeling I know the answer on the basis or like, EVERYONE, but I'll ask all the same.

Dawn is my favorite. Ken Foree is one of my favorite horror veterans. Tom Savini also kicks alot of ass in it too. It's always been a fantasy of mine to live in shopping mall and just take whatever you wanted. That probably has something to do with it too.

And on another boyhood rant. I would always play Dawn/Day of the Dead with my G.I. Joes. I would never have them at war with Cobra, just fighting zombies all the time. Anyone else do that?

[cheebacheeba]

No, but I did more than a few (sisters) barbie death scenes....heh-heh-heh.....I mean, u could only paint em red, burn 'em, dismember 'em or decapitate 'em...but it was still fun...my sister never understood my "art",..

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by cheebacheeba
No, but I did more than a few (sisters) barbie death scenes....heh-heh-heh.....I mean, u could only paint em red, burn 'em, dismember 'em or decapitate 'em...but it was still fun...my sister never understood my "art",..

Funny story. Also, I got a chance to meet Savini and Foree last year and that clenched it for me. Savini was cool and Foree was super-nice. Just another reason why Dawn is my favorite.

[cheebacheeba]

awesome man, where'd that happen?
hey, while on zombies,, dont suppose uve played zombies ate my neighbours...? thoughts?

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by cheebacheeba
awesome man, where'd that happen?
hey, while on zombies,, dont suppose uve played zombies ate my neighbours...? thoughts?

It happened at the Horrorfind Weekend con.

I LOVE zombies ate my neighbors. It was one of my favorite Sega games. I could play it for hours b/c it's the only game I had where two people could play at the same time. Great fun.

[cheebacheeba]

I think it hadda be my favourite 16-bit game of all, close runners up : shining force, streets of rage 3.

[avenger00soul]

The only game I played as much as ZAMN was Castlevania Bloodlines, those Desert Strike games, and Eternal Champions. That's all I can remember right now anyway.

[cheebacheeba]

ph yeah, thje strike games were pretty cool....also liked earthworm jim.....man, how this thread has lost it's way....anyone can feel free to bring up the original topic again...if they want, Im quiet happy remeniscing....

[avenger00soul]

I always get sidetracked in my posts. There's just too much cool shit to talk about. Earthworm Jim was never my thing but I used to play the hell out of Sonic 2.

[cheebacheeba]

Yeah, I think part 2 was about the high point for the sonic games (well the 16-bit, not the godaweful 8-bit version)
worst 16bit sega game?
mine is - OUTLANDER
WELL, as long as u dont mind getting sidetracked, I gives no fuck either...

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by cheebacheeba
Yeah, I think part 2 was about the high point for the sonic games (well the 16-bit, not the godaweful 8-bit version)
worst 16bit sega game?
mine is - OUTLANDER
WELL, as long as u dont mind getting sidetracked, I gives no fuck either...

Outlander--That fucking game ruled! Was it the Mad Max game? I loved that shit, used to rent it all the time b/c I could never find it to buy.

[cheebacheeba]

I just thought it coulda been so much better....
u ever play skitchin? like roadrash on bladez....and another I just remembered I liked - Zero tolerance.

[avenger00soul]

Originally posted by cheebacheeba
I just thought it coulda been so much better....
u ever play skitchin? like roadrash on bladez....and another I just remembered I liked - Zero tolerance.

You just named two of my forgotten faves. Road Rash 3 was completely awesome and Zero Tolerance was my first ever 1st person shooter. I always wanted to buy that cable so you could have two people playing at once. The only problem with that is you must have two tv's, two segas, and two zero tolerance games!!!

[xshiny_demonx]

...zombies dude...zombiesssss

[Ritualistic]

I like ROTLD .. But out of the series my favorite is NOTLD..

[cheebacheeba]

yeah, I feel ya on the xero tolerance thing....the game hadda be the best on megadrive for first person, but then again, the others were pretty suckfull...cant even remember their names...