View Full Version : Freddy V's Jason
Disease
10-08-2007, 10:33 AM
Who Do you like better, not as in who would win in a fight , because that's just silly..
Jason would kick Freddy's butt, any day, any time, any how and anywhere
Disease
10-08-2007, 10:40 AM
Sorry changed the wording, I had a mind eruption and didn't realy get my point across at first, I edited it now though....
Vote for you're faveorite and also if you think they would kick the others ass....
Jason
Like I said he would kick Freddy's butt, any day, any time, any how and anywhere.
jenna26
10-08-2007, 10:47 AM
I like Freddy better, because he has personality....and I just prefer the NOES films.
As far as who would win, I think Freddy has some advantages, and Jason has some. But since neither can truly die apparently (already being dead and all :rolleyes: ), then neither could ever really win. Depends on who is having the better day I guess.....;)
Dante'sInferno
10-08-2007, 11:06 AM
Freddy,he has personality.
The only reaction you would get out of jason,was if,his penis fell off.
OH!It already did!No wonder he's always pissed off.
chainsaw charlie
10-10-2007, 04:17 AM
jason is da badman of the 2 blatently freddys a joke all ud have 2 do is wake up fuc that any way leather face would fuc both them up:eek:
AUSTIN316426808
10-10-2007, 04:27 AM
Freddy, basically because there's nothing to like about Jason, he's a zombie with a machette who drowned.
As for who would win in a fight, apparently they're both immortal so neither.
And concerning..''leather face would fuc both them up'', like I just said they're immortal, leatherface isn't, end of story.
the_real_linda
10-10-2007, 04:31 AM
freddy.... funny ass........ jason is soooooooooooo boring.... like seriously michael has more personality than him
alkytrio666
10-10-2007, 05:38 AM
Well, neither of them ever die, so I thought the whole idea has been pretty silly from the start.
ferretchucker
10-10-2007, 06:59 AM
I prefer Freddy for his charisma but the f-13 films were better for me.
Don't like Freddy, never have, and A Nightmare on Friday the 13th :rolleyes: was just the final nail in the coffin.
Disease
10-10-2007, 08:36 AM
Jason is hella more scary than cheesy old Freddy, even when I watched the origanal nightmare again the other week he just seemed cheesy...
jenna26
10-10-2007, 09:25 AM
That's how I feel about Jason, I find nothing scary about him at all. The movies are entertaining enough I guess, but never been a huge fan.
paws the great
10-10-2007, 09:27 AM
Jason Voorhees!
jaybomb
10-10-2007, 01:25 PM
my vote goes to freddy...love the nightmare movies... not a big a fan of the friday the 13th movies
Dante'sInferno
10-10-2007, 01:33 PM
Seriously?Who would win?
New Line Cinema
jaybomb
10-10-2007, 02:08 PM
they tried to give us an answer once, and failed...maybe they will try to answer that a second time:mad:
ferretchucker
10-15-2007, 12:36 PM
Jason in f-13 P2 was great. Especially seeing his face.
The Vault of Horror
10-15-2007, 01:11 PM
Freddy's a more interesting character, but he got bastardized (pardon the pun!) after Part 3.
GorePhobia
10-19-2007, 11:50 AM
Freddy just makes me smile.
Perceiver
10-26-2007, 06:52 PM
Jason would win in a fight because even if he couldn't kill him, he could tear him apart.
I have always been a big fan of the friday the 13th movies but to tell you the truth, none have ever been able to rival the 3rd Nightmare on Elmstreet (The best of the Elmstreet movies) . The closest they came was friday the 13th part 7, the best of the Jason movies in my opinion. Oh and in response to something said earlier about json just being a zombie; he is not just a zombie, he is a manifested curse (the curse of his mother upon camp crystal lake).
Phalanx
10-26-2007, 07:02 PM
Yo' mommas a curse.
ENTITY2000
10-29-2007, 07:37 PM
emily (my 3yr old) loves horror movies as a matter of fact we r watching freddy vs jason right now! but her fave movie now is the grudge, she wants to watch it atleast once aday and i gladly oblige!!!!!!
Disease
10-29-2007, 08:00 PM
This is getting close, Jason is on the comeback, and the good thing is it will go on forever, and ever and ever and ever.....
Elvis_Christ
10-31-2007, 05:10 PM
I've got a soft spot for both of the fuckers so I can't decide
Disease
10-31-2007, 05:15 PM
I've got a soft spot for both of the fuckers so I can't decide
Shit or get off the pot!
Freezing Moon
11-09-2007, 12:13 AM
LOL at Jason: he gets killed by a girl with an axe in the 3rd, by a 12 yo child in the 4th, by an even younger kid in the 5th, etc.
He is not immortal, because the film ends when he dies. Then in the next episode he's still there, like Kenny in South Park.
Freddy has his powers, his world in which he is pretty much invincible.
Jason is like a normal human being, big but dumb. He just have the luck to always fight against idiots. And yes, he comes back in every film with no reason at all.
Disease
11-09-2007, 05:06 AM
LOL at Jason: he gets killed by a girl with an axe in the 3rd, by a 12 yo child in the 4th, by an even younger kid in the 5th, etc.
He is not immortal, because the film ends when he dies. Then in the next episode he's still there, like Kenny in South Park.
Freddy has his powers, his world in which he is pretty much invincible.
Jason is like a normal human being, big but dumb. He just have the luck to always fight against idiots. And yes, he comes back in every film with no reason at all.
He didn't die in Pt 3 and he wasn't in Pt 5.. It is always explained how he comes back, maybe you should pay more attention when you watch a movie.
Tim Rhoades
11-10-2007, 11:15 AM
Jason all the way Baby!!!
missmacabre
11-10-2007, 12:23 PM
Freddy is so much fun, and the idea that he can get you in your nightmares makes for more original deaths than just getting hacked to pieces.
Who would win in a fight doesn't really matter as stated a million times but in the scenario in Freddy vs. Jason.... Jason has a serious handicap due to the fact that Freddy has already caused all the victims to be sleep deprived. So Freddy is still better.
parusa619
11-13-2007, 10:51 AM
They both rock, but I would rather choose Jason than Freddy...
Phalanx
11-14-2007, 12:03 AM
Because you want his maggot ridden dick dontcha
Disease
11-14-2007, 05:13 AM
Because you want his maggot ridden dick dontcha
Stay off the liquor son. :p
ecmulder
11-21-2007, 10:39 PM
I think Jason had an edge over Freddy. No amount of super natural powers can beat a guy who can comeback to life over and over and over again.
ferretchucker
11-22-2007, 08:38 AM
He didn't die in Pt 3 and he wasn't in Pt 5.. It is always explained how he comes back, maybe you should pay more attention when you watch a movie.
I can't remember which one, it was one of the later ones where they don't explain how he came back
massacre man
11-22-2007, 08:46 AM
I can't remember which one, it was one of the later ones where they don't explain how he came back
I'm going to work by memory.
Jason Lives-Brought back by lightning after Tommy stabs him.
New Blood-Girl tries using telekenetic powers to bring her dad back but accidently revives Jason
Jason Takes Manhattan-Some kids snag a line or something in the water and shock Jason back
Jason Goes To Hell-I haven't seen this one in a while
Jason X-Supposed to take place after Freddy vs Jason
Freddy vs Jason-Freddy revives him.
Disease
11-22-2007, 02:31 PM
I'm going to work by memory.
Jason Lives-Brought back by lightning after Tommy stabs him.
New Blood-Girl tries using telekenetic powers to bring her dad back but accidently revives Jason
Jason Takes Manhattan-Some kids snag a line or something in the water and shock Jason back
Jason Goes To Hell-I haven't seen this one in a while
Jason X-Supposed to take place after Freddy vs Jason
Freddy vs Jason-Freddy revives him.
In Jason goes to Hell he was dead but his soul was passed on through people eating his heart .... basically...
massacre man
11-22-2007, 02:33 PM
In Jason goes to Hell he was dead but his soul was passed on through people eating his heart .... basically...
All I remember from the movie was Jason's head looking like a toe, Kane Hodder playing someone besides Jason, and the black dude talking about hot dogs and donuts.
ChronoGrl
11-22-2007, 02:37 PM
Freddy is so much fun, and the idea that he can get you in your nightmares makes for more original deaths than just getting hacked to pieces.
Who would win in a fight doesn't really matter as stated a million times but in the scenario in Freddy vs. Jason.... Jason has a serious handicap due to the fact that Freddy has already caused all the victims to be sleep deprived. So Freddy is still better.
Yeah, but my key point in this debate is... Jason doesn't dream... Didn't they have to completely sedate him in the movie to make Freddie take him on?
Or am I remembering incorrectly?
I still maintain that Jason won - Freddy's weakness: Must use sleep to get victims.
Jason has no such weakness.
massacre man
11-22-2007, 02:41 PM
Yeah, but my key point in this debate is... Jason doesn't dream... Didn't they have to completely sedate him in the movie to make Freddie take him on?
Or am I remembering incorrectly?
I still maintain that Jason won - Freddy's weakness: Must use sleep to get victims.
Jason has no such weakness.
But wasn't Jason dreaming at the beginning? Even if he was dead, he couldn't have been in Hell, because I'm sure if a Hell exists you won't be allowed to do the thing you love most all the time.
Disease
11-22-2007, 02:42 PM
What was he doing again?
I'm pretty sure he was in Hell....
massacre man
11-22-2007, 02:44 PM
What was he doing again?
I'm pretty sure he was in Hell....
He was killing naked ladies. But they said "You can never die" which I do believe means he was still alive, just not moving, so I guess it meant Freddy was cruising the dream world while he was "Searching for someone who'll make 'em remember"
ChronoGrl
11-22-2007, 02:47 PM
But wasn't Jason dreaming at the beginning? Even if he was dead, he couldn't have been in Hell, because I'm sure if a Hell exists you won't be allowed to do the thing you love most all the time.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/Chronogrl/Jason9.jpg
Ring a bell?
massacre man
11-22-2007, 03:06 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/Chronogrl/Jason9.jpg
Ring a bell?
The subtitle is also "The Final Friday" but that wasn't exactly true, was it?
ChronoGrl
11-22-2007, 03:15 PM
The subtitle is also "The Final Friday" but that wasn't exactly true, was it?
The movie ends with Jason's mask on the ground (presumably after being sucked into Hell), and then Freddy's claw reaching out to grab it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/Chronogrl/final-friday2.jpg
So, obviously, like many movie one-line teasers... This tagline is purely ironic.
Disease
11-22-2007, 03:16 PM
Yeah man, he went to Hell, obviously.....
massacre man
11-22-2007, 03:21 PM
Yeah, I don't think Jason went to Hell, he just got up and went to Springwood, if Freddy doesn't have the power to kill people he most likely doesn't have the power to revive the dead. Jason was just lying there, sleeping/unconscious/in a sex coma/whatever until he was told his task by his mother (Freddy) in his dream.
ChronoGrl
11-22-2007, 03:28 PM
Yeah, I don't think Jason went to Hell, he just got up and went to Springwood, if Freddy doesn't have the power to kill people he most likely doesn't have the power to revive the dead. Jason was just lying there, sleeping/unconscious/in a sex coma/whatever until he was told his task by his mother (Freddy) in his dream.
DAMN MISNOMERED MOVIE TITLE! WHY MUST YOU TURN HOLLYWOOD INTO A WOOD - OF LIES?!
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Whether or not he actually went to Hell was really inconsequential to me... Then again, If he went to space...
I like this point:
Even if he was dead, he couldn't have been in Hell, because I'm sure if a Hell exists you won't be allowed to do the thing you love most all the time.
So true.
It now has me thinking... What would Jason's Hell BE like?... If he did go to Hell?
A Hell of Crystal Lakes?
Mayhaps...
hee hee
Disease
11-23-2007, 12:21 AM
DAMN MISNOMERED MOVIE TITLE! WHY MUST YOU TURN HOLLYWOOD INTO A WOOD - OF LIES?!
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Whether or not he actually went to Hell was really inconsequential to me... Then again, If he went to space...
I like this point:
So true.
It now has me thinking... What would Jason's Hell BE like?... If he did go to Hell?
A Hell of Crystal Lakes?
Mayhaps...
hee hee
Well I think he was in hell, and since when doesn't Freddy have the power to kill people?
JAson would have a job in Hell, to make it hell for everyone else their ....;)
ChronoGrl
11-23-2007, 06:01 AM
Well I think he was in hell, and since when doesn't Freddy have the power to kill people?
I didn't say that... The point that I was making was that Freddy's weakness (when he DOES kill) is that he has to do so through the dreams of his victims... If Jason doesn't dream (or if he's in Hell instead of some plane of reality that allows dreaming - that's to assume that Hell doesn't allow dreaming - but who knows), then Freddy would have an immediate weakness against Jason in a battle... But at the beginning of the movie (from my recollection), Freddy came to Jason in his (dream?) to make him kill again (because Freddy could not become a physical manifestation).
Which brings another question... If Freddy originally awakens Jason to kill teens in this plane of reality (as opposed to the dreamscape), doesn't that imply Freddy's innate weakness from the onset? How could he possibly win against Jason?!
JAson would have a job in Hell, to make it hell for everyone else their ....;)
So it would be a reward for him... So Jason's demise would contradict the ultimate purpose of Hell (to punish the wicked)... Would that make Jason greater than Heaven, Hell, and Everything? Would that make him some kind of God? :p
massacre man
11-23-2007, 06:23 AM
since when doesn't Freddy have the power to kill people?
The first 45 minutes or so of Freddy vs Jason.
Disease
11-23-2007, 08:20 AM
The first 45 minutes or so of Freddy vs Jason.
but that was only because no one was dreaming of him and he was alone...
I see your point.
massacre man
11-23-2007, 09:14 AM
but that was only because no one was dreaming of him and he was alone...
I see your point.
What about Blake? Freddy emerged and put his claw into Blake's chest in an attempt to kill him but nothing happened, wasn't until Mark that Freddy got his groove back.
The STE
11-23-2007, 09:32 AM
Freddy vs. Jason never really happened (within the cannon of the story. Obviously it never REALLY happened). The whole thing was Jason in hell. He was killing because of his mother, not because he got a kick out of it. If not for her and the events of the first F13 movie, he wouldn't be killing anybody. So he goes to hell and ends up having to kill for someone else and is basically powerless to fight against it.
Either that or it did happen, and Jason was given a more tangible, waking hell. Remember, Freddy apparently became some kinda demon (or was always a demon if FvsJ is going by the New Nightmare cannon) so it's not out of the question that he'd have some power in hell.
Disease
11-23-2007, 09:57 AM
So what if his mum just died in a car crash before she took her revenge, what do you think Jason would have done?
Gone and got a job at the local tourist bureau... I think he would have ended up going physco anyway.
The STE
11-23-2007, 11:47 AM
So, what, we just disregard what is arguably the central event in the history of the character? Who cares what would've happened if she didn't die the way she did? That's the way it was written. It's the motivation given for the character's actions, regardless of what Dumb Fuck Aussie thinks about it.
Disease
11-23-2007, 12:02 PM
So, what, we just disregard what is arguably the central event in the history of the character? Who cares what would've happened if she didn't die the way she did? That's the way it was written. It's the motivation given for the character's actions, regardless of what Dumb Fuck Aussie thinks about it.
Hey, I just don't like you that way, ok...
And if your a racist why don't you take it out on someone who might give a shit...
i voted for jason. i never really got into the freddy films - the first just seemed silly and the rest just got sillier, even cartoonish. now f13 was always a bit silly but somehow i liked jason and prefer his lack of dialogue.
maybe the better question would be - which franchise got stupider - or, for that matter, maybe a good contest would be when did each franchise 'jump the shark' - oooo i like it - i'm going to start htis in the general forum!!
The STE
11-23-2007, 04:31 PM
And if your a racist why don't you take it out on someone who might give a shit...
Racist? Since when is Australian a race? Unless Australia, Ireland, and Scotland got together and decided to make "Alcoholic sloppy seconds from England" a race.
But I have nothing against the fact that you're Australian. I take offence to the fact that you're an idiot.
Disease
11-24-2007, 03:11 AM
Racist? Since when is Australian a race? Unless Australia, Ireland, and Scotland got together and decided to make "Alcoholic sloppy seconds from England" a race.
But I have nothing against the fact that you're Australian. I take offence to the fact that you're an idiot.
So you have re-written your country's history so that it wasn't discovered now? That's interesting coming from an inbreed hick such as yourself, It's clear who the idiot is here.
Phalanx
11-24-2007, 05:09 AM
But I have nothing against the fact that you're Australian. I take offence to the fact that you're an idiot.
Yknow...that might've held more water if you didn't bring race/nationality into it in the first place, in an attempt to make some kind've an accentuation on your attack towards one of my own.
Racist? Since when is Australian a race? Unless Australia, Ireland, and Scotland got together and decided to make "Alcoholic sloppy seconds from England" a race.
I would expect more than that from you, but hey.
So, not racist, just ignorantly following your own preconceptions about things and people you've no first hand experience with? We're are little past Crocodile Dundee; perhaps you should educate yourself on the culture before ripping it to shreds, so that you're qualified to back up any such statements.
That's all I have to say and won't be engaging you any further on the matter.
You're smart enough to know to expect some kind've reaction when you throw an ignorant blanket statement out there about somebodies people, so I know you won't even pretend to take this personally.
Have a good 'un, Sam.
The STE
11-24-2007, 08:23 AM
So you have re-written your country's history so that it wasn't discovered now? That's interesting coming from an inbreed hick such as yourself, It's clear who the idiot is here.
No, I just differentiate between the miscreants from England who got sent to your continent and the prudish religious nuts who colonized this place.
And, yes, it is clear who the idiot is here. I'm glad to come to terms with the fact that you've got shit for brains.
PR3SSUR3
11-24-2007, 08:36 AM
Without England, none of you cunts would be here anyway so STFU.
:D
Disease
11-24-2007, 09:03 AM
No, I just differentiate between the miscreants from England who got sent to your continent and the prudish religious nuts who colonized this place.
And, yes, it is clear who the idiot is here. I'm glad to come to terms with the fact that you've got shit for brains.
You have shit for brains?
So You have no point as you are not a native American I take it...
The STE
11-24-2007, 09:13 AM
Playing dumb and pretending that you can't read does nothing but prove my point. Although I'm open to the possibility that you're neither playing nor pretending.
Disease
11-24-2007, 09:16 AM
Playing dumb and pretending that you can't read does nothing but prove my point. Although I'm open to the possibility that you're neither playing nor pretending.
You Lose! ! !
BLAdams
11-24-2007, 10:36 AM
I'd have to go with Freddy.He can at least talk and tells it like it is.Like someone else said Jason is boooorrrring.Freddy all the way baby he's my kinda man .... LOL :D
ChronoGrl
11-24-2007, 07:02 PM
No, I just differentiate between the miscreants from England who got sent to your continent and the prudish religious nuts who colonized this place.
And, yes, it is clear who the idiot is here. I'm glad to come to terms with the fact that you've got shit for brains.
In your profile you describe yourself as "not a pretentious twat."
Looks like Disease isn't the only one who's full of shit*.
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*brings thread back to topic*
i voted for jason. i never really got into the freddy films - the first just seemed silly and the rest just got sillier, even cartoonish. now f13 was always a bit silly but somehow i liked jason and prefer his lack of dialogue.
I definitely agree. As much as the Jason movies lampoon the slasher franchise, I believe that they do so much more effectively than the Freddy movies do. Freddy began as a purposefully ridiculous gorefest while Jason attempted to create an actual twist...
I still maintain that the two would never be able to compete... I believe that Jason's dreams would be so incredibly twisted (if, in fact, he DID dream), that Freddy would still be on Jason's turf, not his own.
This is all purely speculative, however... :p
*Disease - I've got your back on this one. And you're not that full of shit. :p
The STE
11-24-2007, 11:04 PM
In your profile you describe yourself as "not a pretentious twat."
Looks like Disease isn't the only one who's full of shit*.
It's good of you to come out as being full of shit and all, but it seems a bit out of nowhere.
Disease
11-25-2007, 06:18 AM
It's good of you to come out as being full of shit and all, but it seems a bit out of nowhere.
You are simply going no where... give up now!
PR3SSUR3
11-25-2007, 07:41 AM
Everyone goes a bit mental sometimes.
This thread is the Lulz :D
ChronoGrl
11-25-2007, 09:13 AM
It's good of you to come out as being full of shit and all, but it seems a bit out of nowhere.
Oh, clever. And to that I retort:
Playing dumb and pretending that you can't read does nothing but prove my point. Although I'm open to the possibility that you're neither playing nor pretending.
AKA: You're a moronic hypocritical douche.
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And I still maintain that Jason would win against Freddy (and that he DID win in the movie).
The STE
11-25-2007, 03:26 PM
Oh, clever. And to that I retort:
AKA: You're a moronic hypocritical douche.
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And I still maintain that Jason would win against Freddy (and that he DID win in the movie).
Yes, one is me intentionally ignoring an implication and one is someone either totally misunderstanding a blatantly worded part of a post or just ignoring a blatantly worded part of a post.
"You have shit for brains."
"Huh? You have shit for brains?"
does not equal
"Someone here is full of shit."
"Yes, you are full of shit."
Is this clear enough for you? I'm not sure I can dumb myself down to your level, so I hope that will suffice. But may I advise you that in the future, when you want to post something like that, think really hard about it. And then don't post it. You're only making yourselves look worse. No wonder most of the posters worth anything left a while ago. You people are the reason this board is a joke.
Disease
11-25-2007, 04:18 PM
Yes, one is me intentionally ignoring an implication and one is someone either totally misunderstanding a blatantly worded part of a post or just ignoring a blatantly worded part of a post.
"You have shit for brains."
"Huh? You have shit for brains?"
does not equal
"Someone here is full of shit."
"Yes, you are full of shit."
Is this clear enough for you? I'm not sure I can dumb myself down to your level, so I hope that will suffice. But may I advise you that in the future, when you want to post something like that, think really hard about it. And then don't post it. You're only making yourselves look worse. No wonder most of the posters worth anything left a while ago. You people are the reason this board is a joke.
Just keep blaming your self..
PR3SSUR3
11-25-2007, 04:20 PM
One wonders what Thich Qang Duc would have made of all of this.
ChronoGrl
11-25-2007, 04:36 PM
Yes, one is me intentionally ignoring an implication and one is someone either totally misunderstanding a blatantly worded part of a post or just ignoring a blatantly worded part of a post.
"You have shit for brains."
"Huh? You have shit for brains?"
does not equal
"Someone here is full of shit."
"Yes, you are full of shit."
Is this clear enough for you? I'm not sure I can dumb myself down to your level, so I hope that will suffice. But may I advise you that in the future, when you want to post something like that, think really hard about it. And then don't post it. You're only making yourselves look worse. No wonder most of the posters worth anything left a while ago. You people are the reason this board is a joke.
hee hee... Oh, the thin splitting hairs of a meticulously semantic argument.
Both comparative insults could be inferred to be ironic attempts at sardonic ignorance, which was my point. But really, miscommunication is truly a part of the joy of the anonymity and ambiguous nature of posting on a forum...
But that's ok, I like it when you back pedal. :)
One wonders what Thich Qang Duc would have made of all of this.
VERY well played, Sir.
The STE
11-25-2007, 07:33 PM
"hee hee... Oh, the thin splitting hairs of a meticulously semantic argument. "
If you make a statement that is completely and utterly wrong, don't blame me for explaining why you're an idiot.
"Both comparative insults could be inferred to be ironic attempts at sardonic ignorance, which was my point. But really, miscommunication is truly a part of the joy of the anonymity and ambiguous nature of posting on a forum... "
One was "feigning" ignorance in response to a completely blatant statement. The other was taking advantage of the vagueness of a statement. Do I need to make a chart or something? I could have the Muppet Babies come in and explain it to you if you think you could understand them better.
"But that's ok, I like it when you back pedal. :) "
Well, I'm sorry* to have disappointed you thus far. I'll try to do more backpeddling and less being right in the future.
*-I'm not really sorry. Also, you're still an idiot. But mostly the lack of being sorry.
EDIT: By the way, who are you again?
ChronoGrl
11-26-2007, 05:22 AM
"hee hee... Oh, the thin splitting hairs of a meticulously semantic argument. "
If you make a statement that is completely and utterly wrong, don't blame me for explaining why you're an idiot.
"Both comparative insults could be inferred to be ironic attempts at sardonic ignorance, which was my point. But really, miscommunication is truly a part of the joy of the anonymity and ambiguous nature of posting on a forum... "
One was "feigning" ignorance in response to a completely blatant statement. The other was taking advantage of the vagueness of a statement. Do I need to make a chart or something? I could have the Muppet Babies come in and explain it to you if you think you could understand them better.
hahahaha... I think you just made my morning. And I haven't even had coffee yet.
You are making a semantic argument and both "insults" were feigning ignorance by blatantly ignoring the intent of the initial statement, though using different means ("insults" being in quotation marks as neither of them were particularly effective, yours or Disease's).
But I don't think that it even matters. This thread has gotten WAY off topic.
I actually think that you made an interesting analysis here:
Freddy vs. Jason never really happened (within the cannon of the story. Obviously it never REALLY happened). The whole thing was Jason in hell. He was killing because of his mother, not because he got a kick out of it. If not for her and the events of the first F13 movie, he wouldn't be killing anybody. So he goes to hell and ends up having to kill for someone else and is basically powerless to fight against it.
Either that or it did happen, and Jason was given a more tangible, waking hell. Remember, Freddy apparently became some kinda demon (or was always a demon if FvsJ is going by the New Nightmare cannon) so it's not out of the question that he'd have some power in hell.
However, just because someone on this forum disagrees with your film analysis, doesn't mean that you should be an asshole, i.e.:
So, what, we just disregard what is arguably the central event in the history of the character? Who cares what would've happened if she didn't die the way she did? That's the way it was written. It's the motivation given for the character's actions, regardless of what Dumb Fuck Aussie thinks about it.
If the purpose of your joining this thread is to argue that Freddy Vs. Jason only happens on the plane of Jason's Hell, then do it. That's interesting and well thought-out. Let's go back there. And stop being a douche about it.
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If Freddy Vs. Jason is Jason's Hell... Does that mean that killing for him is eternal suffering? And his mom is a sort of surrogate Devil that he serves? Or is she just a manifestation of the Devil (if there is a Devil that presides over Hell)?
Yellow Jacket
11-26-2007, 10:39 AM
Freddy Krueger. Freddy had personality, Jason just walked and killed people. At least for NOES's sake, the sequels could be inventive. Friday the 13th sequels were pretty much the same. Not that I didn't like some of the sequels (part 6 is my favorite of the sequels), but it was same old, same old. The only thing going for F13 is that you can pop any of them in and get the same thrill.
The STE
11-26-2007, 01:09 PM
hahahaha... I think you just made my morning. And I haven't even had coffee yet.
You are making a semantic argument and both "insults" were feigning ignorance by blatantly ignoring the intent of the initial statement, though using different means ("insults" being in quotation marks as neither of them were particularly effective, yours or Disease's).
But I don't think that it even matters. This thread has gotten WAY off topic.
I actually think that you made an interesting analysis here:
However, just because someone on this forum disagrees with your film analysis, doesn't mean that you should be an asshole, i.e.:
If the purpose of your joining this thread is to argue that Freddy Vs. Jason only happens on the plane of Jason's Hell, then do it. That's interesting and well thought-out. Let's go back there. And stop being a douche about it.
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If Freddy Vs. Jason is Jason's Hell... Does that mean that killing for him is eternal suffering? And his mom is a sort of surrogate Devil that he serves? Or is she just a manifestation of the Devil (if there is a Devil that presides over Hell)?
I didn't say that in reference to him disagreeing, I said it in reference to the logic he was using. Ignoring central and shaping events in a character's cannonical history is stupid. Slash Writers stupid.
Anyways, killing isn't necessarily the suffering for Jason, it's the manipulation and powerlessness. His mother is the motivation for his actions. Take away that, then there's no reason for him to be doing it. And just because he kills for one reason doesn't necessarily mean he's gung-ho to do some twat's dirty work.