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07-20-2007, 06:24 AM

If this has been done before, sue me.:p

Its common to see hate towards a particular movie. Sometimes a favorite of one person turns out to be hated by another.

Here we will feel free to dissect a movie.

- Why didnt you like it? (or) What part of it wasnt good?

- What movie makes you turn the TV/DVD player off?

- What pisses you off about it?:mad:

- (do you quietly watch it afterwards, when your hateful peers are gone or snoring in bed? Is it a guilty pleasure for you?;) )

Bash the movie, as much as you want. But dont take it personal, please. This will be healthy/unhealthy criticism of the movie ONLY, not the people who like it for some reason.:)

Ok...lets have the first one, which shares a love/hate relationship a lot around these parts...

Halloween 3: Season of the Witch.

Bring it on, folks.....:cool:

alkytrio666

07-20-2007, 07:28 AM

Ooh! Cool thread idea, V.
I've yet to see Halloween III, so I can't participate. The damned DVD has been sitting on my shelf for ages...perhaps it's all the bad things I've heard that pushes me away from it.

But you haven't told us...do you like it?

swiss tony

07-20-2007, 07:43 AM

i agree. a great new idea for a thread. it seems like ages since one came along. lets hope they're like buses. oh yeah, almost forgot, haven't seen halloween III. sorry:) . if this was a sticky it's exactly the type of thing i come here for.

Roderick Usher

07-20-2007, 09:13 AM

I'll go...

the fucking song!

Jesus H Tap-dancing Christ...that song works it way into your brain until you want to claw your ear drums out.

To the tune of "London Bridge is Falling Down" - and with an Alvin and the Chipmunks voice
"Happy, Happy Halloween
Halloween, Halloween,
Happy, Happy Halloween,
Silver Shamrock"

_____V_____

07-20-2007, 09:21 AM

But you haven't told us...do you like it?

I dont hate it. But it isnt in my list of favorites anyway.

First of all, like Rod said, that annoying song. Everytime it played in the movie I was literally close to pulling my hair off. Then the stupid make-up effects, which was totally lame.

Sure, the plot was decent...but wtf were they thinking borrowing the Halloween name for? Only to rake in the money IMO.

I had remarked once in another thread that IF Halloween II hadnt followed the story of Myers, and this one was touted Halloween II, then Season of the Witch COULD HAVE been a mild success.

Making an independent movie separate from the Myers storyline and calling it Halloween 3...it was the biggest mistake in its downfall, among a hoard of others.

(No comparison to Friday the 13th pt. V here, at least the killer in that one imitated and copied Jason's M.O.)

Thats my view.

Doc Faustus

07-20-2007, 09:45 AM

I like the idea that they wanted to mix up the franchise. But, if you're going to mix up a franchise and you don't want to alienate its viewers don't say "okay, you can have Michael Myers or you can have an ass sundae made with a low fat ass substitute that we synthesized in a lab so that it would taste only slightly worse than ass and have half the fat content. C'mon people, try our low fat ass substitute!" While the other Halloween movies often leave the taste of rancid ass in your mouth, at least it's actually the taste of rancid ass and stale creativity, instead of an anemic substitute for it. If it weren't a Halloween movie, people would be to this day asking "what's the name of that terrible, meandering, lameass movie with the masks that make people's head explode for no good reason?" And we'd be telling them "the Gate." If they wanted to make a set of Halloween films not directly connected to Michael Myers, why not make movies in which Doctor Loomis solves other macabre crimes and make the franchise "Donald Pleasence Adventures"? That way, following the death of Donald Pleasence, people wouldn't have continued to make paper-thin and stupid entries about Jamie Lee Curtis' slide into mental illness. The more I think about Halloween 3, the less I like it and the more I dig the original. And Halloween 5. Halloween 5 was pretty sweet.

Roderick Usher

07-20-2007, 09:48 AM

If it weren't a Halloween movie, people would be to this day asking "what's the name of that terrible, meandering, lameass movie with the masks that make people's head explode for no good reason?" And we'd be telling them "the Gate."

:D :D
Sweet
:D :D

_____V_____

07-20-2007, 09:58 AM

Excellently dissected, Doc. Thats what is true movie-bashing.:D

(btw once you feel a movie has been bashed enough, any of you may go on to suggest a movie...which shares such love-hate relationships with its viewers)

Who knows, tony, maybe we might make this thread good enough to be stickied.;)

Moving on to our next "victim", some of you LOVE it, some of you HATE it...but whats actually wrong with

Event Horizon?

Bring in the bashings, folks!

Doc Faustus

07-20-2007, 10:42 AM

Nothing's "wrong" with Event Horizon. It's just ideologically charged. If there is a non-existentialist bone in your body, then Event Horizon can be a croquet mallet to the kidneys. Lots of people like Nekromantik 2 for example, but I think it contradicts the first one's sense of affirmation too much, and Event Horizon's the same way. It's a cold , vicious environment and it has a cold, vicious message attached to it. It gets right in there and targets one's sense of existential fairness. Everybody's floating in raw, angry space. If you can dig the effects and ignore the fact that it is made to feel claustrophobic and it is made to be an assault on the senses, then you can have a good time . If you're a Nekromantik 2 fan, you can have a good time. But for the film to be enjoyable, there's a certain amount of tune-out and tune-in required at the same time and that's a challenge for a lot of people. And it's a little longwinded. Like my deconstruction thereof.

alkytrio666

07-20-2007, 10:45 AM

It just tried to be too shiny. It had this kind of simple, fucked up, psychological ghost story premise, but then there were these weird CGI tricks that detracted from the scares.

All in all, though, it really ain't bad.

Unaboner3000

07-20-2007, 12:36 PM

I actually liked Event Horizon. I have a soft spot for good space horror.

novakru

07-20-2007, 03:35 PM

I can not bash this movie, it's in my top 10.
Can't even think up one wrong move with this flick:)

Roderick Usher

07-20-2007, 03:40 PM

I fucking hated it - but haven't seen it since it came out. I just dropped it into the top of my Netflix queue to see if I got it wrong, but I found it nonsensical, not at all scary and boring as shit.

A plenty good set-up that falls into really stupid behavior and wretched acting.

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07-20-2007, 06:51 PM

I really love EH...I thought the premise and story were excellent and Sam Neill with Fishburne really delivered. It was pacy, had taut and creepy atmosphere throughout...and there was this lingering feeling that something really bad was gonna happen any minute...an "Alien"-esque feeling which I didnt have for a long, long time. Maybe the climax wasnt upto the movie's standards, but the story was solid, and the movie excelled.

Doc summed it nicely. Rod still hates it with a passion. Alky is sorta in the middle. Guess we will leave this one for awhile. (Maybe pick it up later)

This thread is getting more and more interesting...and thats good.

Many of you love it, but many of you bash it for some reason. So haters, why is there no love for

House of 1000 Corpses?

Bring on the bashing, folks!:cool:

newb

07-20-2007, 07:02 PM

TCM rip off.......but a good one.....kinda fell apart at the end.

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07-20-2007, 07:10 PM

TCM rip off.......but a good one.....kinda fell apart at the end.

Exactly my thoughts too, bro.

But many out there dont give it more than a 5 out of 10.

Any other reason for the movie failing to deliver where The Devil's Rejects, its sequel, scored?

newb

07-20-2007, 07:15 PM

Exactly my thoughts too, bro.

But many out there dont give it more than a 5 out of 10.

Any other reason for the movie failing to deliver where The Devil's Rejects, its sequel, scored?

Rejects was more grounded in reality.....that shit could and does happen....much more frightening IMO.

jenna26

07-20-2007, 07:48 PM

Exactly my thoughts too, bro.

But many out there dont give it more than a 5 out of 10.

Any other reason for the movie failing to deliver where The Devil's Rejects, its sequel, scored?

I am one of those that loves The Devil's Rejects, and doesn't care for House of 1000 Corpses.
I felt House of 1000 Corpses was generic, the characters were more annoying than frightening (particularly Baby), or they just weren't terribly memorable, and the end just killed it for me. Overall, it was just.....forgettable. So it was very disappointing.
The Devil's Rejects was actually surprisingly well-written, darkly funny at times while also being a brutal film. In my opinion it just had smarts that the first film lacked.

X¤MurderDoll¤X

07-20-2007, 08:18 PM

House of 1000 corpses was just horribly average.

Unaboner3000

07-20-2007, 08:21 PM

Corpses was not so good, IMO. Although Zombie definitely grew as a filmmaker between films. Rejects was much better.

Roderick Usher

07-20-2007, 09:17 PM

Felt like a music video that went on too long and had no purpose

X¤MurderDoll¤X

07-20-2007, 09:22 PM

I watched Rejects once and enjoyed it, but I have never felt like rewatching it.

massacre man

07-20-2007, 09:29 PM

I liked House, not nearly as good as Rejects, but anyway, I enjoyed the movie, particularly Otis and Spaulding.

swiss tony

07-20-2007, 11:21 PM

this movie lost it's way half way through. i didn't find it gripping over the duration of the movie which is an absolute crime in a slasher. TCM, haute tension, halloween etc. all build a little story and a lot of tension. i guess the directing and writing fall down here. what it lacks in story and tension it more than makes up for in it's characters. it's one redeeming feature is, IMO one of the great horror characters, capt. spaulding. i would've prefered it if he'd been one of those bad goodies like william muni or T2:D ps. glad to see EH didn't take too much of a beating.

Kane_Hodder

07-21-2007, 04:52 AM

I thought House of 1000 Corpses was just an over-dramatization of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Most of the characters were too loud and simply annoying.

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07-21-2007, 06:55 AM

newb

07-21-2007, 07:25 AM

No hatred here.

NO BEER,NO TV, MAKE HOMER...SOMETHING,SOMETHING.

http://entretenimento.globo.com/Entretenimento/Tv/foto/0,,6326886-NDP,00.jpg

massacre man

07-21-2007, 07:37 AM

No hatred here.

NO BEER,NO TV, MAKE HOMER...SOMETHING,SOMETHING.

http://entretenimento.globo.com/Entretenimento/Tv/foto/0,,6326886-NDP,00.jpg

Exactly, on spot, sir.

jenna26

07-21-2007, 07:55 AM

I do agree with most of the points raised. Excellent bashing, folks!!:D

Ok, many of you absolutely LOVE it, but some of you HATE it and call it over-rated...but why does

The Shining

share such bipolar attitude with the audiences?

Bring on the bashing!

I don't hate it, I have lots of love for Kubrick as a filmmaker and it is a solid, smart horror film. BUT it is definitely not my favorite Kubrick film. Its just because the book is so well loved. And it was very much Kubrick's The Shining, and not King's. Normally, I wouldn't have had a problem with that, I want directors to put their own spin on things......but in the novel, Jack seemed like a regular guy that had anger management problems, and a drinking problem, but he wasn't crazy.....it was a slow descent into madness, and the problems that he already had made him particularly susceptible to the evil of the place. In the movie he just seemed to start out nuts and he was hard to identify with. In the novel, Jack was very easy to identify with (you didn't always like him, but you "got" him), which made it all the more frightening. It just wasn't as scary or as effective as the book was, in my opinion.

Doc Faustus

07-21-2007, 08:15 AM

Watching a crazy man going crazy is not an exciting passtime for me. Jack Torrance has shreds of normalcy that Nicholson doesn't pull off. And of course, Kubrick, consummate auteur, consummate egotist decided that an artist going mad was much more interesting than a child exploring a world of danger created by a parent's loss of sanity and grounding. I definitely agree with Jenna that the book worked better. It was also too sterile for me. The Overlook felt like a hospital.

The_Return

07-21-2007, 08:21 AM

It's a great movie, just not as great as it's reputation would dictate. The book was far better (though the movie has a better ending)

Unaboner3000

07-21-2007, 11:43 AM

I love Jack Nicholson's performance in the Kubrick film. One of the best "crazy" performances in cinematic history. However, as an avid reader and a fan of Stephen King's book, the film just doesn't do the book justice. Kubrick took ALOT of liberties with the storyline, but I can understand why he did this.

King wrote about Kubrick's film:

"There's a lot to like about it. But it's a great big beautiful Cadillac with no motor inside, you can sit in it and you can enjoy the smell of the leather upholstery - the only thing you can't do is drive it anywhere. So I would do every thing different. The real problem is that Kubrick set out to make a horror picture with no apparent understanding of the genre. Everything about it screams that from beginning to end, from plot decision to the final scene - which has been used before on the Twilight Zone"

alkytrio666

07-21-2007, 01:08 PM

It was also too sterile for me. The Overlook felt like a hospital.
Yep, that was my biggest beef (though I enjoy The Shining): The Overlook just wasn't the monsterous, horrifying dungeon it was described as so beautifully by King.
Plus, even though it may have turned out looking awful, the exclusion of Danny's voyage into the garden of the hedges was a big no-no...one of the books most tense scenes would have made a creepy escape from what starts to get monotonous.

_____V_____

07-21-2007, 09:16 PM

Kubrick made it all his own...it stopped being King's Shining the moment Kubrick's Jack Nicholson alienated Torrance from the audiences.

Granted, the descent into madness was portrayed brilliantly, but we felt one with the character of the book, not the movie.

And of course, the Overlook and its scares werent so scary in the first place. There wasnt much creepiness in it, cept for what Nicholson showed on-screen. All being said, Kubrick made one hell of a movie adaptation, and Nicholson's portrayal still stands as one of the best performances so far.

Excellent...this is getting better and better as we go along...

Speaking of bipolarity, why do many of you feel no love for

Land of the Dead

while some of you speak of it with much fondness?

Bring on your bashings!!

massacre man

07-21-2007, 09:25 PM

I liked it... John Leguizamo and Dennis Hopper in the same movie reminded me of my childhood. (Did anybody get that?)

My favorite part of the movie was Robert Joy, I knew he would kick some ass one day since I saw him on Malcolm In The Middle.

Unaboner3000

07-21-2007, 09:25 PM

For me, this movie seemed very "rushed." The acting (in general) kinda sucked. And there was not nearly enough character development. I didn't even care if the main characters lived or died. And on top of that, Romero even tried to "humanize" the zombies so we sympathize with them. Blah!

Also, the film did nothing that the previous films hadn't already done.

Despare

07-21-2007, 09:46 PM

If Land of the Dead was judged on the basis that it was just another zombie movie it would garnar a lot of praise I think. It's a great zombie film. Unfortuanatly it doesn't live up to the other films in Romero's Dead franchise but maybe it's because we've seen so much with zombies now. I liked it much better than the Dawn remake (which I thought was pretty decent).

Oh, and I love Hopper in this one too, what an ass.

swiss tony

07-22-2007, 12:52 AM

i felt a bit disappointed after watching this movie. it just doesn't feel like a romero. good cast, good story and decent script but not as raw and edgy as the previous installments. i can't put my finger on it but it was just a little hollywood. maybe my expectations were too high.

Roderick Usher

07-22-2007, 08:13 AM

No scares - none

The other movies had jump-out-of-your-seat scares...this one was dull and uninspired. Sure the subtext is solid, but who goes to see a movie's subtext?

I wanted more Asia and more terror.

illdojo

07-22-2007, 08:23 AM

Jeepers Creepers
This movie is complete shit. The creature is stupid, the story is stupid, the acting was shit, and I can't believe they made a sequel. :rolleyes:
I DO NOT understand why so many people @ HDC like this waste of time and film.

_____V_____

07-22-2007, 11:45 AM

Nice bashing of Romero's Land of the Dead folks!

It was a bigger budget addition to the Dead franchise but did little in way of critical and commercial appreciation for Romero's famous trio. Most of us keep it apart from Night/Dawn/Day and from the looks of it, we have valid reasons for it too.

Excellent addition, illdojo. Why is there so much hatred towards

Jeepers Creepers

while I know some of you absolutely adore it? Since it gave the horror genre a new, terrifying and ruthless "creature" killer, and the Hansel & Gretel situation at the end was stupefying...

Here comes the bashing!!:D

zwoti

07-22-2007, 01:13 PM

If this has been done before, sue me.:p

Its common to see hate towards a particular movie. Sometimes a favorite of one person turns out to be hated by another.

Here we will feel free to dissect a movie.

- Why didnt you like it? (or) What part of it wasnt good?

- What movie makes you turn the TV/DVD player off?

- What pisses you off about it?:mad:

- (do you quietly watch it afterwards, when your hateful peers are gone or snoring in bed? Is it a guilty pleasure for you?;) )

Bash the movie, as much as you want. But dont take it personal, please. This will be healthy/unhealthy criticism of the movie ONLY, not the people who like it for some reason.:)

Ok...lets have the first one, which shares a love/hate relationship a lot around these parts...

interesting thread,

for the record

halloween 3 - liked
event horizon - liked
house of 1000 corpses - pish
the shining - liked
land of the dead - meh
jeepers creepers - pah

just wait till someone mentions blair witch project :mad:

_____V_____

07-22-2007, 09:29 PM

just wait till someone mentions blair witch project :mad:

I was actually thinking of that one after the bashing of Jeepers Creepers was over.;)

(get ready with your knives, forks and razors, Z):D

Kane_Hodder

07-23-2007, 02:11 AM

The characters were not upto par in Jeepers Creepers. The killer was great, but some of the acting was either too annoying or too bad.
I did not hate the film though. I thought it was good.

jenna26

07-23-2007, 09:44 AM

I find Jeepers Creepers more amusing then anything. I was certainly entertained by it, but I don't think it was all that well done. I didn't really care about the characters, and while I kind of liked the idea, and the creature, I didn't find much scary about it.
But again, I was entertained. Can't expect much more than that. ;)

_____V_____

07-23-2007, 10:26 AM

It was an entertainer, no doubt about it. But there wasnt much sympathy generated for the lead characters, and the supporting cast got skewered before audiences could identify with them. The Creeper is a good addition to the killers of yore though. I thought "he/it" was very creative.

Righto...I see this movie in many people's top 10 lists, yet many other members get a bitter taste in their mouths when it is mentioned. Why do the haters dont like

The Blair Witch Project?

Let the bashing commence!! (that means you too, Z):D

massacre man

07-23-2007, 10:41 AM

The Blair Witch Project... the only good thing I think came of it was the "Scooby Doo Project" thing that came on Cartoon Network during promotion for the movie (Keep in mind I was 8).

Roderick Usher

07-23-2007, 10:51 AM

Doc Faustus

07-23-2007, 11:58 AM

I'm going to be honest. I laughed my ass off. If the kids weren't so damn histrionic, it might have been believable, but as is, they were just plain funny.

alkytrio666

07-23-2007, 12:56 PM

I think it's an example of brlliant and unique filmmaking, and I have an immense amount of respect for the makers. I own the DVD, have watched it several times, and it still manages to send a shiver to the spine.

I will support the BWP any ol' day.

Zero

07-23-2007, 01:23 PM

I feel sorry for those too young (or whatever the reason) to have seen this in the theaters the opening weekend.

It was an event that I thoroughly enjoyed. Sure there are holes in it, but I look past them completely because the vibe in the theater was one of apprehension and very palpable fear. The finale is chilling and people screamed their heads off in the cinema.

i agree with rod - maybe its a generational thing. i saw this in a packed theater and i think i was the only person who knew it was not real. still, even though i had read trade mags talk about the sundance deal - i still thought (and still think) it was a great film.

i also, for that matter, love land of the dead and think people didn't give it a chance because they were hoping for some speedy-zombie splatter fest.

but what would i know - after all i'm a monkey

X¤MurderDoll¤X

07-23-2007, 07:16 PM

I liked the Blair Witch Project. :)

Despare

07-23-2007, 07:30 PM

I feel sorry for those too young (or whatever the reason) to have seen this in the theaters the opening weekend.

It was an event that I thoroughly enjoyed. Sure there are holes in it, but I look past them completely because the vibe in the theater was one of apprehension and very palpable fear. The finale is chilling and people screamed their heads off in the cinema.

The theater I was in was semi full and a couple people walked out half way through but nobody seemed afraid. Me personally, I grew up camping and was in the woods all the time so the movie didn't really scare me a bit. I didn't even get the willies. I'll have to give it another shot but really the only thing that stood out for me was jumping in the wrong girl's lap in the theater and the part where the one guy says he punted the map into the river.

illdojo

07-23-2007, 09:29 PM

I also saw it in the theater. I have nothing negative to say about BWP. :cool:

Except for the sequel. :rolleyes:

swiss tony

07-23-2007, 09:36 PM

i think the most important thing this movie demonstrated was that there are still directors and writers out there that can come up with a novel concept. i watched in the cinema the first weekend it came out and the movie put me on edge for a few days. it was also the first and only movie i've seen at the cinema where the audience didn't stampede out as the first hint of credit appeared, they just sat transfixed for maybe 10 seconds then slowly filed out in utter silence. i think it's a great movie but not rewatchable. which in itself makes it pretty individual. it also has one of THE great finishes

The STE

07-23-2007, 10:55 PM

I'm torn on the Blair Witch Project. On one hand, it's a good concept that, at the time, hardly ever got used. They did it right, and they made a metric shit-ton of money on a movie that cost, by industry standards, next to nothing to make. There are valid reasons to show love for the Blair Witch Project.

On the other hand, it's just so fun to make fun of it. There are environments in which it's an effective movie, but in any other environment, it's just goofy. And I loved the joke about it on Family Guy. "Ok, they're in-they're in the woods...the camera keeps on moving...uh, I think they're-they're looking for some witch or something, I-I don't know, I wasn't listening. Nothing's happening...nothing's happening...something about a map...nothing's happening...it's over. [looks around] A lot of people in the audience look pissed."

Kane_Hodder

07-24-2007, 02:07 AM

I was not scared much through it, unlike a few other viewers.
I thought it was a bit over-dramatized, rather than touching on the raw emotions of the viewers.
It was engrossing to watch, but did not have much fizz to make things captivating.

_____V_____

07-24-2007, 07:20 AM

Excellent bashing. Hopefully Z will put in his two cents later too.

All the points covered nicely. There isnt much for me to add or subtract so we ll move on...

Over the years I have noticed that one movie is spoken of with a lot of fondness by a select group of members here, but a bigger group dont like it for some reason...

Will the haters stand up and say why they hate/dont like

Friday the 13th as much?

Here comes the bashing!!

zwoti

07-24-2007, 07:24 AM

Excellent bashing. Hopefully Z will put in his two cents later too.

its a fucking twig

woooohoooo.........scary...

_____V_____

07-24-2007, 07:26 AM

its a fucking twig

woooohoooo.........scary...

So you DID like the Blair Witch Project, after all.;)

:D

zwoti

07-24-2007, 07:41 AM

So you DID like the Blair Witch Project, after all.;)

like hell,

too much hype before watching the film.

"scariest movie ever made" - like fook.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Qyfz2DFZ9OA

massacre man

07-24-2007, 08:08 AM

Whenever I'm near Burketsville there's a fucknut of people around the woods.

About Friday The 13th, it overused the killer's POV way too much, I mean it's cool for a small bit every now and then, but every time Pamela was around it was her POV until the end, that's what killed it for me. That and it was basically "Halloween" without the effort and with a vagina. The sequels I didn't mind so much (namely 2, 3, 4 and 6).

_____V_____

07-24-2007, 10:56 AM

Hmm to an extent I agree with massacre man's point there.

The climax was a bit of a downer...although the "second" climax was a sort of hint for things to come...

Any more bashings guys?

jenna26

07-24-2007, 12:31 PM

My main issue with Friday the 13th was that I just didn't buy it; I didn't like Alice as herione, she annoyed the hell out of me. The story was bland and not very scary. The only thing it had going for it was there was some blood, some really good death scenes. I have always thought this film was overrated. Halloween, the rules of which this movie was obviously following, had a far better build up of suspense, and much better characters, was just all around a far better film. Friday the 13th just pales so much in comparison. But admittedly, this movie's influence on the horror genre is undeniable, so many horror fans love it, I often wonder what is wrong with me...lol.

illdojo

07-24-2007, 12:45 PM

Betsy Palmer was great in her role, and it was the franchise that brought us Jason. I am a much bigger fan of parts 2-5.
IMO, You gotta tip your hat to the Slasher that started the 80's off right. ;)

The_Return

07-24-2007, 01:58 PM

Friday the 13th is a good movie that spawned one of my favourite franchises, but it really doesnt hold up to multiple viewings. Really enjoyed it the first two times out, but when I popped it in for a 3rd time I ended up fast forwarding alot.

That said, it really served to cement slashers into the public consciousness. Nowhere near as influential as Halloween of course, but it still deserves some respect.

Doc Faustus

07-24-2007, 05:05 PM

I have no issues with Friday but the kids. Betsy Palmer is amazing. I only wish Jason could have been as scary.

_____V_____

07-24-2007, 11:10 PM

Its true. Somehow most of Jason's kills make for enjoyable viewing, rather than creeping the audiences out. More often than not, we find ourselves cheering for him.

Maybe Jason could not fit the exact bill of a creepy, psychotic deranged killer like Norman Bates or Henry, or even Michael Myers to an extent. But then, in the original, mama Voorhees was the killer, although it was a bit hard to digest. (They could have shown that Jason was still prowling in the woods, and mama was puppeting him around...it could have brought an interesting angle to the whole franchise)

Once again, very nice bashing, folks!

This is getting really good...and most of us are good at grinding a movie to a pulp!!:D

Okay, how often have I read around these parts from members that they didnt find this movie scary? Especially when it has been touted as one of the most scariest movies ever made?

After all...it did make a whole lot of people afraid of going into the water for a long, long time...yet, why doesn't

Jaws

click with many die-hard horror fans?

Bring on your views, haters!!

swiss tony

07-24-2007, 11:44 PM

a bit of a tall order to ask people to criticise jaws but i don't understand one thing: where did the shark learn to play the cello?

Unaboner3000

07-25-2007, 07:57 AM

a bit of a tall order to ask people to criticise jaws but i don't understand one thing: where did the shark learn to play the cello?

Yea...and couldn't they teach him more than those same two notes. :p

Anyways, Jaws is a great film. I can't imagine anyway claiming this movie sucked. Now the sequels....that's another story.

newb

07-25-2007, 08:26 AM

love Jaws.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92yHyxeju1U

alkytrio666

07-25-2007, 09:47 AM

I never understood how anyone would have a bad thing to say about Jaws. It's an epic adventure-horror movie, something we don't see very often. If the fresh excitement wasn't enough, it's got an unbelievably believable cast and directing style galore thanks to Mr. Spielberg.

I mean, really, what's there to dislike about it?
(...and if somebody says "the shark looks fake" I'll tweak...)

_____V_____

07-25-2007, 10:57 AM

I personally love it...the sheer terror and the really creepy and electrifying atmosphere of the movie gives me chills just to reminiscence about it...

But, it was surprising to see that some of our members regard Jaws as over-rated and over-hyped for some reason. I read lines on the same in some threads, hence Jaws is up here.

But maybe they dont know the movie is up for them to bash...lets give them some more time to chance upon it and give us their views on why they think so.

jenna26

07-25-2007, 11:46 AM

Jaws is one my of my favorites, one of the few movies I never get tired of, not matter how often I watch it. I can recite most of the dialogue I have watched it so much. Its a very well made film; the writing is soild, and it is one of the few movies that I found to be far superior to the book it was based on.

But fear is very subjective; what scares one person makes another giggle. The Exorcist is the perfect example of this, a lot of people I know were pretty freaked out by it the first time they watched it, but I also have a friend that finds it hilarious. I suspect that most that didn't like Jaws just do not get why so many claim that it is so scary. Many don't even seem to consider it a horror film.

Despare

07-25-2007, 01:05 PM

I liked Jaws a lot, I think the setting is a little foreign to me since I'm far from the ocean but the movie was really well done. I just don't think it's really a horror flick...

Roderick Usher

07-25-2007, 02:36 PM

I just don't think it's really a horror flick...

I gotta disagree with you on that one. It has a near-unstoppable killer that takes out a naked chick, a kid, a couple of old men, the tough-as-nails fisherman and nearly eats our hero.

There are jump scares, lots of creepy mood, a chilling soundtrack and tons of suspense.

And there are people who were so traumatized by the film (both my wife & my mother fall ionto this category) that they will not set foot in the ocean for fear of being eaten.

Any film with all these elements is a horror film.

Doc Faustus

07-25-2007, 03:46 PM

It's one of the great man vs. nature movies. I like early Spielberg much better than I like late Spielberg, actually. Duel and Jaws are both amazing.

illdojo

07-25-2007, 05:16 PM

alkytrio666

07-25-2007, 05:23 PM

Ditto....Thanks for writing mine for me, Alky. :D
I'm here for ya, ill!

We gotta get Return in here- I know he wasn't as fond about Jaws as others are, and he's good at making valid arguements.

novakru

07-25-2007, 07:23 PM

Thanks to that movie, I have been afraid of getting more than 2 feet in the ocean for 30 years now.
Thanks, you fucking mechanical fish:D

The_Return

07-25-2007, 07:44 PM

I'm here for ya, ill!

We gotta get Return in here- I know he wasn't as fond about Jaws as others are, and he's good at making valid arguements.

Heh, that's actually why I haven't chimed in yet - I tried to convincingly rip apart this movie, but it just wasnt coming out right.

Basically, I find it to be really slow and poorly written...suspense falls flat and turns to tedium. The actors are good, but with few exceptions the characters are empty. The final confrontation with the shark is awesome, but otherwise I didn't find much to like about it.

swiss tony

07-26-2007, 12:28 AM

i disagree. i thought the two ultimate victors were very likeable. even robert shaws character was charasmatic. there was also a nice little thread of humour running through it.

Kane_Hodder

07-26-2007, 02:16 AM

I think the central part of Jaws was a bit tedious and stretched for some reason. It starts off brilliantly and ends in a great thrilling climax sequence, but in-between it drags a bit. Of course the suspenseful moments are aplenty, and they carry it forward.

swiss tony

07-26-2007, 07:01 AM

just cause it's technically a horror doesn't mean there shouldn't be significant sections of story telling and character development. i just wish there was more horror containing quality acting/drama/plot. maybe the genre would be more credible if it did so. don't forget, the exorcist also had large sections seemingly innocuous drama.

_____V_____

07-26-2007, 07:32 AM

I dont think Jaws ever let up on the atmosphere for one bit, whether it be the beginning, middle or end...each part was laced with plenty of pacy atmosphere which keeps the overall movie quite pacy and relentless.

Spielberg did really good to stick to his script, and Benchley wrote one hell of a story. No complaints there.

Its a great movie, and of course, one of the most scariest movies ever made.

Nice bashups there, Vamp and Kane. Although we have more Jaws lovers here, it was a good buildup. This is becoming great...

Okay we have seen a fan favorite of many horror fans out there get plenty of ridicule and hate here in HDC. But, guys, why dont most of you like

Child's Play?

Chucky is regarded as somewhat of a cult horror icon in his own right. There are plenty of creepy slasher moments in the franchise, and Brad Dourif has gathered quite a fan following after the movie...

So...what actually doesnt tick in it for you? Bring it on!!:D

massacre man

07-26-2007, 07:51 AM

I love Child's Play, maybe because it scared the hell out of me when I was little and I'm proud I'm not scared anymore. I think Chucky would probably be the most popular horror icon in terms of being well-known behind Michael, Jason, and Freddy, maybe Leatherface. I liked the sequels too, Don Mancini is cool in the fact he kept the series and wrote every installment (unless I'm mistaken). Plus, the sequels are also personal favorites of mine, I'm glad they realized it couldn't stay a serious series for more than 3 movies, Bride and Seed are the two most entertaining in the series, the first 2 are good horror movies. I think I'm the only one who liked Child's Play 3.

newb

07-26-2007, 08:26 AM

I dont think Jaws ever let up on the atmosphere for one bit, whether it be the beginning, middle or end...each part was laced with plenty of pacy atmosphere which keeps the overall movie quite pacy and relentless.

Agreed

Child's Play?

Chucky is regarded as somewhat of a cult horror icon in his own right. There are plenty of creepy slasher moments in the franchise, and Brad Dourif has gathered quite a fan following after the movie...

So...what actually doesnt tick in it for you? Bring it on!!:D

Not a bad flic but c'mon.....its a fucking doll. I'de punt the little fucker with no problem.

massacre man

07-26-2007, 08:41 AM

Not a bad flic but c'mon.....its a fucking doll. I'de punt the little fucker with no problem.

Come on, it's a mom and her kid, and most footballs don't swing knives or bite, I'd rather run than lose some toes.

Unaboner3000

07-26-2007, 08:57 AM

Not the worst movie ever...BUT there is just something very corny about a killer doll. In a horror flick, the killer/monster is what makes the movie. Chucky was pretty medicore IMO.

Doc Faustus

07-26-2007, 08:58 AM

Good premise. Good acting from Brad Dourif. It's really scary if you're a kid. Child's Play gave my brother nightmares for months, but he was five. The problem with Child's Play is it can be very scary for kids, but they're not the target audience, in fact, it's far too scary for them in their context. For adults, it's not so scary. The only Child's Play I really liked is Bride of Chucky, because it's smarter, funnier and sexier. All the others are good for traumatizing and boring or getting uncomfortable laughter out of grownups.

novakru

07-26-2007, 10:42 AM

Taking something that has so many emotional connections as a doll and turning it into this horrid lil killing machine.....strikes too close into my sense of balance... of what I will always see as soul comfort.

I will not re-watch this flick and I will never watch the sequals.

swiss tony

07-26-2007, 11:05 AM

extremely average slasher that had an original gimmick which seems to have struck a chord with many, but not i. if it comes to picking a movie character that gives you a false sense of childhood security i'll go for pennywise. i just didn't buy into him. there are so many better baddies to choose from. even as a comedy its a million miles away from the bench mark that shaun... made.

Despare

07-26-2007, 05:54 PM

I gotta disagree with you on that one. It has a near-unstoppable killer that takes out a naked chick, a kid, a couple of old men, the tough-as-nails fisherman and nearly eats our hero.

There are jump scares, lots of creepy mood, a chilling soundtrack and tons of suspense.

And there are people who were so traumatized by the film (both my wife & my mother fall ionto this category) that they will not set foot in the ocean for fear of being eaten.

Any film with all these elements is a horror film.

Or just a scary adventure film. Either way I liked it.

Child's Play did nothing for me except give me hours of fun torturing my little sister with my little bro's "My Buddy".

jenna26

07-27-2007, 10:53 AM

I actually really like Child's Play, and a couple of the sequels, but at the same time I have never understood why it is as popular as it seems to be.
For what it is, it is pretty well done. But as others have said, I just can't find a doll all that scary, its just not that effective in that way. Its entertaining enough though, and Chucky moved very well. And I have to admit, there is one very good scare scene here.

megamoviejohn

07-27-2007, 12:00 PM

I was about 6 or 7 when I saw childs play, it was pretty scary to me. And I actually still enjoy it now, even some of the sequals were enjoyable.

_____V_____

07-27-2007, 09:39 PM

Nicely covered, guys. Of course it scared the bejesus out of us when we were kids, but now...nah it feels like one swift kick to Chucky's head and we get rid of the annoyance forever. Parts II & III and Son were extremely annoying btw. Bride was good because it FELT mature, so was the original.

Hmm...we have watched it, loved it, adored it...and some of us have hated it.

It was such a trendsetter of its time, and yet...some of us feel that it didnt quite live upto expectations...but why has

The Amityville Horror

not been a regular in the choices of anyone's list? Its rare to see the name come up in anybody's top 20...let alone a top 10.

Bring on the bashings, folks!!

Unaboner3000

07-28-2007, 09:17 AM

Haunted houses are alot like killer dolls. Might be scary when your 8 years olds, but as an adult all you can think is, "Damn, this is stupid. George and Kathy, pack your shit and move already!"

massacre man

07-28-2007, 09:39 AM

I thought it was cool when I was a kid, I don't know if I outgrew it or saw it too many times, but it's just boring to me now.

paws the great

07-28-2007, 12:14 PM

The Shining (1980)- 8/10

Land of the Dead - This flick should have never been made.It almost gives Remero's Dead films a bad name!:) 3/10

Jeepers Creepers - 8/10

House of 1000 Corpses - 6/10

Halloween 3- 6/10

Event Horizon - 7/10

Friday the 13th - 10/10

Jaws - 6/10

Child's Play - 5/10

The Blair Witch Project - I like the first ten minutes.....but the rest of the flick is HORRIBLE!! 1/10

The Amityyville Horror - 6/10

novakru

07-28-2007, 12:33 PM

This was a solid horror movie, nothing to bash from my end.

_____V_____

07-28-2007, 08:59 PM

Yes it is almost equivalent to Child's Play. Back in its day it created some big spooks and jitters but today it doesnt scare much. Of course the franchise and the remake did nothing to its reputation either.

There has been some argument over this movie...some hail it as a new dimension in horror...yet others say it wasnt anything great...can anybody elaborate why

The Burning

isnt regarded too highly in every horror fan's book?

Here it comes....!!!

newb

07-28-2007, 09:17 PM

The Burning was good.......actually a bit underated. Great Tom Savini effects.....plot was a bit lame, but most 70's slashers were.

X¤MurderDoll¤X

07-28-2007, 09:34 PM

it was pretty lame but it gets points for showing a Jason Alexander with hair.

megamoviejohn

07-28-2007, 10:25 PM

i watched it after the remake, I enjoyed the remake better, I guess because it actually made me jump a little.

paws the great

07-29-2007, 12:32 AM

The Burning is one of my favorite 80's slashers.Awesome flick!

paws the great

07-29-2007, 12:34 AM

i watched it after the remake, I enjoyed the remake better, I guess because it actually made me jump a little.

Remake??:confused:

megamoviejohn

07-29-2007, 01:40 AM

Remake??:confused:

sorry, I was talking about Amityville Horror remake, I saw that before I saw the original, didnt really like either one, but if I had to pick I'd watch the remake over the original.

_____V_____

07-29-2007, 09:43 AM

Remakes are a totally different track. Of course we will eventually run into them, but for now lets stick to the originals...largely those which have shared love-hate relationships with the audiences over the years.

Speaking of love-hate...a very recent movie has had mixed reactions from the audiences...here at HDC, most of us have loved it...yet I usually come across some negative vibes towards it too...usually from over-critical members and newbies...

The accusations of ripping off a video-game's atmosphere shot-for-shot, and stretched use of characters...why do the critics not like

Silent Hill?

Roderick Usher

07-29-2007, 02:20 PM

I seriously wouldn't know...I don't watch movies adapted from video games

massacre man

07-29-2007, 02:23 PM

I seriously wouldn't know...I don't watch movies adapted from video games

Yeah.

Except for Super Mario Bros., but I was little.

X¤MurderDoll¤X

07-29-2007, 03:18 PM

Silent Hill was like watching someone play a video game, the characters were pretty horrible and the acting was pretty bad for a big budget movie.

illdojo

07-29-2007, 07:09 PM

Silent Hill was like watching someone play a video game, the characters were pretty horrible and the acting was pretty bad for a big budget movie.

On the subject of video game based movies.....House of the Dead was equally as worthless. :rolleyes:

jenna26

07-30-2007, 08:24 AM

For what it is, I don't think Silent Hill is bad at all. Not brilliant by any means, but entertaining enough. But yes, it did have that video game feel, which just doesn't work very well in films. And even though I don't, I can understand why others would dislike it.

The_Return

07-30-2007, 08:33 AM

I thought Silent Hill was pretty good...nothing mindblowingly amazing, but it was a fun way to kill a couple hours.

swiss tony

07-30-2007, 11:47 AM

if its as bad as doom or resident evil i'll just stay clear.

Doc Faustus

07-30-2007, 02:30 PM

I liked Silent Hill. Not too much, but I liked it. The monsters were cool, the atmosphere was interesting and Alice Krige did a good job. I wish the story were more substantial, but I still think it worked. Especially for a videogame movie.

paws the great

07-30-2007, 05:43 PM

I thought Silent Hill was okay.

_____V_____

07-30-2007, 08:41 PM

if its as bad as doom or resident evil i'll just stay clear.

Absolutely not. When compared to those two, Silent Hill would be a masterpiece. But its a good entertainer, a fun way of killing off 2 hours.

The atmosphere may be video-gamish, but thats what makes it entertaining...because it sustains the stuff from the most chilling video-game ever made, I dare say. I would recommend it.

Righto...this is getting good. People coming forward all keen to bash a movie, others to defend it. I must commend the bashers for putting forward very frank views.

I have read comments made that this movie helped kick a failing genre back into some hyper-activity in the 90s, but others say they found it obnoxious, annoying and boring. What is the real reason behind the haters giving

Scream

such a hard time?

massacre man

07-30-2007, 08:43 PM

Not a big fan of Scream, I'll watch it when it's on but I won't choose to watch it. The only character I really liked was Jamie Kennedy's.

illdojo

07-30-2007, 09:27 PM

I actually like Scream. Very refreshing at the time of it's release. Wes Craven brought life back to the Slasher genre in the mid 90's with that film. I liked the old school Horror film stereotypes.
The only thing I hate about Scream is that fuck Skeet Ulrich. That Depp wannabe is a terrible actor. :rolleyes:

Dante'sInferno

07-30-2007, 09:29 PM

Erm.....Scream?It's alright.I'm glad Drew Barrymore's character died,like in the first 10 minutes.YEY!

jaybomb

07-30-2007, 10:01 PM

i think scream was over rated, there was alot of hype about this movie bringing back the horror genre. It was a good slasher movie but it brought us other movies like I know what you did last summer, and the summer after that, and the summer after that, and oh yes scream 2 and 3 which i don't care for

megamoviejohn

07-31-2007, 09:44 AM

I really liked Scream, and watch it every halloween along with the 2 and 3. But I agree with the illdojo talking about Ulrich, he isnt very good.

Doc Faustus

07-31-2007, 10:06 AM

Bad metafilm is infinitely worse than bad film, and Scream is loaded with bad metafilm. If you go by Scream, Wes Craven knows about slasher movies as Kevin Williamson knows about teenagers. Not scary, not funny, too dialogue heavy, smells like an elephant, propositions your sister, eats all the ice cream sandwiches, borrows your car without telling you, constantly plays Warrant albums really loud all the time, insists that Megablox are superior to Legos and constantly votes Republican. Goddamn Scream. Don't get me started. To quote Billy Crystal "Feh!"

Roderick Usher

07-31-2007, 10:40 AM

I really enjoyed SCREAM and thought it reinvigorated the genre. I saw it the day it premiered with a packed theater and people screamed their heads off. Fun stuff.

megamoviejohn

07-31-2007, 06:11 PM

I really enjoyed SCREAM and thought it reinvigorated the genre. I saw it the day it premiered with a packed theater and people screamed their heads off. Fun stuff.

I saw it the day it came out out as well. I was 8 yrs old and my dad was going on a date and he couldnt get a babysitter so I got to tag along! I still remember how amazing it was, we also went and saw the other 2 opening day as well.

_____V_____

08-02-2007, 06:09 AM

Excellent.

Of course Scream wasnt any better than an 80s slasher, but the concept and the cheesy tack made it an instant hit. Further, it came at a time when horror was going through a serious bad patch and had hit an all-time low, so it can be safely assumed that this was the movie which brought the audiences back to the theaters, plotholes and bad characterizations aside.

Good to see more people developing an active interest in this discussion. Of course, the lovers can also bash a movie they like...if you think a character was out of place, or if some scenes slowed the pace down...even if you love that movie, feel free to put it down here.

Speaking of slow paces...one movie has always been targeted for being a patchy entertainer. Some of us hold it in very high esteem, yet some of us think it was grossly over-hyped and over-rated. But, why does

Saw

actually share such a love-hate relationship with the audiences, despite its fresh approach and unique scripting and direction?

Is there a flaw in the movie...if yes, what is it? Let the bashings begin!!

massacre man

08-02-2007, 06:17 AM

I like the original, Danny Glover is the shit. But I must say, Fuck the Saw movies, I don't think a single horror movie comes out in October because of those damn movies.

jaybomb

08-02-2007, 06:25 AM

i like alittle gore in my horror movies, it had you guessing the whole the movie with a good ending. Like this one best out of the 3.

alkytrio666

08-02-2007, 06:52 AM

I think they're mediocre at best; the acting in the first at the climax was unbearable.

jenna26

08-02-2007, 08:18 AM

I think they're mediocre at best; the acting in the first at the climax was unbearable.

Thank you.....:D
I have thought that the people that made Saw thought they were making a smarter movie than they actually were. Some great death scenes. But the acting was just awful. Elwes, who I actually usually like, was almost painful to watch. I wanted to throw something at my television, and I love my television. He killed the experience for me. Because yes, there was a lot I liked about it. I like the basic idea, and the claustrophobic feel of the film. But some of it was just boring, and some of it was just ridiculous. The end took me by surprise.....but I laughed....I LAUGHED man.....:p I don't think I was supposed to be laughing. I think I was supposed to actually take that seriously. The filmmakers seemed like they were trying so hard to shock, they just forgot to tell a good story.
It just didn't work for me.

missmacabre

08-02-2007, 05:23 PM

Saw made me laugh too. I think what's worse then the fact that it was laughable was the fact that everyone made me feel like such a horrible person for laughing.

The gore was, however, fairly good.

Roderick Usher

08-02-2007, 08:07 PM

the acting was bed, the camera was stilted...but the you knew someone was going to saw a leg off...and you spent 90 mins. building toward it. I thought it was a breath of fresh air in the genre.

Doc Faustus

08-03-2007, 12:09 PM

Despare

08-03-2007, 12:17 PM

I think it would have been better as a half hour short. It didn't feel like the premise had enough legs for a movie, or a franchise. But, it was pretty distinctive and was one of the better Theater of Cruelty films out there.

The short that led to Saw was surprisingly good, and I liked the movie too. Was it perfect? No way... wasn't even close. But look at the 20 "horror" flicks released in theaters in 2004. I'd say that Saw was easily in the top five and probably in the top three.

1 The Grudge
2 AVP: Alien Vs. Predator
3 Dawn of the Dead
4 Saw Horror
5 Resident Evil:
6 Exorcist: The Beginning
7 Anacondas: The Hunt for the Blood Orchid
8 Seed of Chucky
9 Darkness
10 Gothika
11 Godzilla: The Original Japanese Version
12 Ju-On: The Grudge
13 The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
14 Riding the Bullet
15 Malevolence
16 A Tale of Two Sisters
17 Fabled
18 The Manson Family
19 Evil Remains
20 The Hillside Strangler

Personally Saw is one my my favorite post 2000 horror films and a very consistent franchise... so far.

Doc Faustus

08-03-2007, 03:22 PM

With those stats in front of my face, Saw looks good.

_____V_____

08-03-2007, 07:59 PM

Must admit all those other movies make Saw look like a bulldozer. Although the movie had its shortcomings (like Scream did), what won the audiences over was its fresh approach (again!) to the waning genre. Audiences are willing to look over weaker aspects of the movie (ala High Tension) if the overall movie has a fresh and unique appeal to it.

This is good. Excellent bashings, folks! Keep em coming...

Over the years, we have seen a movie being mentioned so many times...quite fondly by some, but uncared by others...but what did the haters not like in

Tenebre?

Was it the bad dubbing/acting or the effects?

Bring on the bashing!!

swiss tony

08-03-2007, 10:39 PM

although i am a huge fan of argento this is the one movie of his who's popularity baffles me. people rate it comparably to suspiria but for me it was just a slightly poorly constructed slasher. the plot was too sketchy and the storyline very loosely woven together to the extent where it seemed like a series of set pieces. i remember reading a critique of argento's movies that delved into how some of his characters seem to act without motive or explanation and this appears most evident in tenebre. i'm not saying i need my hand held all the way but i did become distracted during this movie. finally, the bad dubbing is at it's worst in this one but as almost all his best work has bad dubbing it's probably irrelevant here. almost forgot, his movies are always visually beautiful but this is the rosie o'donnell of argentos

Doc Faustus

08-04-2007, 07:50 AM

Tenebre is one of those situations in which Argento characters definitely act inhuman. I think it's because Argento is a visual guy who works with symbols and gestures more than anything, therefore the characters work within the symbolic logic instead of any psychological logic. Tenebre doesn't have enough grounding in reality to make its dreamlike characters and action seem perversely real as they do in other Argento films. It's still an interesting early stab at the points he makes about art and violence in Opera. There's just too much Fellini and not enough Bava in it.

jenna26

08-04-2007, 09:23 AM

I can't bash this one, since it happens to be my favorite film from one of my favorite directors.
But, despite that, I can understand why others might not like it. Argento isn't for everyone anyway, and Tenebre is not an easy movie, because of character and motivations (which has already been mentioned). But the camera work in this one has always stood out to me, the death scenes are very well done, and there are a few really creepy moments. Logic problems aside (which always plague Argento's films), I still think this is one of the most intriguing films I have ever seen. And after several viewings, it hasn't ever lost its appeal for me.

_____V_____

08-05-2007, 04:43 AM

Completely agree with the points Doc raises. Of course the characterization and editing was somewhat different from other Argento movies, and that maybe deters some from its main theme of being a solid slasher movie.

Most of the Italian movies of those times suffered from the bad dubbing problem...which was worse in Tenebre...but dubbing notwithstanding, I thought it was a great slasher overall and had a good script and fine performances to back it up. It was a signature movie from Argento's movie-making table.

Very nicely dissected, I must say...Doc, tony and Jenna. Its good to see people appreciate and criticize a movie at the same time. This is great stuff...

Love-hate relationships have been a huge factor in many movies' popularity. Its very rare to get a movie which EVERYONE loves or EVERYONE hates (except some complete and utter crap and nonsense). The haters manage to find some positives in a movie they hate, and that is good. But yet, why do the haters find it hard to accept

Army of Darkness

in the same league of its illustrious predecessors, Evil Dead and Evil Dead 2?

After all, it added a whole new dimension to the Ash saga and built up on the horror/comedy factor of Evil Dead 2.

Then why the indifference?

Bring on the bashings!!!

massacre man

08-05-2007, 06:55 AM

I've never seen anyone hate this??

illdojo

08-05-2007, 07:17 AM

I have not one bad thing to say about AOD.
Ash and Army of Darkness are kick ass. :cool:

Despare

08-05-2007, 09:45 AM

jenna26

08-05-2007, 10:21 AM

I've known a lot of people who really hated the direction the series went with less horror and more comedy. Personally I loved it, but I can see where people expecting the same gruesome scares of the first two films would be dissapointed. A lot of the people that I've talked to that dislike AoD (at least in comparison two the first two) feel that AoD took a different direction. I think that if you look at Evil Dead 1 & 2 first you can see the progression of the series, it's not a different direction at all, this series simply followed the course it began from the first to the second.

I agree.
I love Army of Darkness, but I can see why some would be disappointed by the lack of gore. Evil Dead 2 is my perfect movie. And I don't feel Army of Darkness is quite as good as the first two. But still lots of fun, and definitely a worthy entry in the series. It did, at least to me, feel like a natural progression. All three of the films have distinctly different feels, in my opinion. And I like that about them.

Doc Faustus

08-05-2007, 12:04 PM

I think some fans were alienated not just by the addition of more comedy, but by the total breakdown of genre. To go from pure horror to medieval craziness is a big departure. I like Army of Darkness and think it was a gutsy move for Raimi, but not everybody is going to be into something that weird and progressive. People were also alienated by the fact that Land of the Dead was a sci-fi action piece.

_____V_____

08-08-2007, 08:28 PM

Where the first one started off with out-and-out pure horror, the second managed to successfully blend some cheesy humor into the same horror scenario. Where the 3rd went was into more cheesy, black humor in a different setting than horror like the first and second.

And it was like watching Conan or Red Sonja rather than an Evil Dead sequel. Of course Ash got his "king" tag from this movie (and from the end of ED2), but as far as ED movies go...AoD was more in the lines of an entertaining comedy/horror...than a horror movie with doses of comedy.

Excellent critical bashings folks! I have to say we have some very knowledgeable members here at HDC who can successfully critically dissect a particular movie...

Speaking of which...one movie which I have seen a lot of people giving the thumbs down to...is

Phantasm

yet there are some of us who adore it.

Why do the haters hate it? What doesnt click with them? Bring on the bashing!!

jenna26

08-09-2007, 11:13 AM

Honestly, I have yet to finish Phantasm, everytime I try I seem to zone out.....:p One day I really do plan to make it through that film, and the second one, because I have heard it is pretty decent.

Doc Faustus

08-09-2007, 11:20 AM

I like Phantasm in spite of a lot of silliness. The plot makes almost no sense, the horror is completely hit or miss and anarchy reigns over the entire third act. Even if you get it, you're still asking "what the hell was that? An evil mortician enslaves an army of space midgets and a stoner ice cream man is the earth's last hope?" It's wacky, it's completely over-the-top, but it's fun, it's often scary and Angus Scrimm is spectacular. You need to forgive this movie its trespasses and exalt in its carnival virtues to like it.

The_Return

08-11-2007, 08:32 AM

Wow Doc...I think that pretty much sums it up. Great write up:)

Phantasm is a damn fun movie...its really bizarre, but I think thats a big part of its charm.

swiss tony

08-11-2007, 11:59 PM

was it a phantasm movie i remember where this kid gets buried alive at the beginning? i think it might've been his birthday.

DP McCoy

08-13-2007, 01:41 PM

I love Phantasm ,The Tall Man,Chrome death spheres,Hearses,Caskets,Midgets and Reggie ... what's not to like?

_____V_____

08-14-2007, 08:54 PM

Mixed opinions...but yet, some of us still find Phantasm boring and akin to kids horror. For me it was a nice blend of atmospheric horror and nice characterisation...especially The Tall Man.

Moving on to a more modern example...this movie was hailed as a throwback to the cheesy black humor horror of the 70s and the 80s...it was filled with gore to the brim but had its share of campy humor in large doses. If it ended up as a good movie experience, then why do the haters bash

Slither?

Bring it on!!!

alkytrio666

08-15-2007, 07:03 AM

Slither is great. It's the freshest spin on campy horror-comedy since I-don't-know-when. The effects were awesome, the gore plentiful, and it had that squeamish factor we love so much from bug movies.

I blind-bought this, which means it had a big rep. to keep, and I had nothing bad to say about it at all.

The_Return

08-15-2007, 07:07 AM

Loved every second of Slither. Nathan Fillion is one of the most talented "up-and-coming" actors out there today...this was my first exposure to his work and I've been a fan ever since. Not to mention the cool 80's horror plot, the awesome gore and all the little references to classic horror flicks...great movie.

illdojo

08-15-2007, 07:17 AM

Slither is killer!!! Kinda like a Night of the Creeps remake, but better.

jenna26

08-15-2007, 08:21 AM

Slither is great. It's the freshest spin on campy horror-comedy since I-don't-know-when. The effects were awesome, the gore plentiful, and it had that squeamish factor we love so much from bug movies.

I completely agree. I had so much fun with this film.

_____V_____

11-22-2007, 07:15 AM

Things have pretty much slowed down around these parts, so I decided to **bump** this thread back. It holds so much potential for critical analysis and appreciation that, it should get a second shot.

So...judging by the above reactions, there isnt much wrong with Slither. I agree too, to an extent...although I thought Michael Rooker's part was a bit stretched and overcooked. The humor was spot-on though, and some of the sequences were outlandishly entertaining.

Righto...umm...many of us has seen this movie, and some of us became lifelong fans of it...but there are others who see the flaws in it, beyond its cheesiness...and dont regard it too highly.

So, movie bashers, why dont you like

Tremors?

Bring it on!!:cool:

The Mothman

11-22-2007, 08:26 AM

Tremors 1 & 2 are a good time. too many bad sequels though.

ManchestrMorgue

11-22-2007, 08:57 AM

Tremors is great! I remember seeing it at the drive-ins.

What would have been really scary is if the underground creature tried to steal their music. Then Kevin Bacon would have something to really be pissed off about. Dancing would ensue.

fortunato

11-22-2007, 03:59 PM

Tremors 1 & 2 are a good time. too many bad sequels though.

agreed.

the first two were definitely cheesy but a lot of fun.
i think i only saw the third one after that, and i don't even think i finished it.

but yeah, the first tremors was a fun movie.

Doc Faustus

11-23-2007, 06:58 AM

Disease

11-23-2007, 08:23 AM

Thanks for bringing this thread back. It always upped the level of discourse around here. Tremors is fun. It's a good quality throwback with a fun, quirky cast, it's like late 50s AIP meets a trashier 80s Coen Brothers. I think it definitely would have been better off without a sequel though.

What you can do, as I do with a lot of horror movies is just pretend their are no sequels.

If you do that and just look at Tremors then it is a great movie with some pretty cool monsters, something that we haven't had much of lately.

Doc Faustus

11-23-2007, 09:45 AM

Totally agreed. But, between the Mist,Cloverfield and a revival of interest in Godzilla, we can hope for a new giant monster boom.

Disease

11-23-2007, 10:00 AM

The Slasher revival has been done into the ground and I hope they do make some good monste movies soon. But unfortunatley they will probaly be shity CGI, Not many CGi monsters look good.. I realy don't like this new format, why can't they get it right!

jenna26

11-23-2007, 11:09 AM

Tremors is a film that I should like, love even, but for some reason.....I just don't. It annoys me, and I'm not exactly sure why. Maybe I have been in the wrong mood everytime I have tried to watch it.....that happened with Phantasm and I like it now after finally making it through the film.

roshiq

11-23-2007, 08:03 PM

The 1st part of Tremors was simply a great fun ride. I truly enjoyed it to the end. But on later parts, when the creatures started to walk around then then my interest on this franchise falls apart.

Btw, Slither was as a complete piece of crap to me. Usually I hated to see this kind of 'shit' like creatures related storyline.

Yellow Jacket

11-26-2007, 11:14 AM

Tremors was a lot of fun. I don't know why it got bashed. Nothing like killer worms to get my spirits up.

_____V_____

11-29-2007, 04:00 AM

I definitely agree about the sequels-bringing-the-franchise-down scenario in this case. Tremors was easily one of the best fun-filled romps ever. You gotta love each scene from the first to the last, and the tangy western background score intermixed with cheesy and quirky moments of sheer horror make this a really pleasurable 90 minute trip. As regards the sequels, the lesser said the better.

Hmm...its true that one man's fondness with a particular choice isnt another person's cup of tea. But then, lately, most of the choices have been going down pretty well with audiences and HDC members alike...with one exception.

Tell me folks...why do some of you adore it, while many of you dont like

The Brood

that much?

Bring on the bashing!!

Kane_Hodder

11-29-2007, 07:46 PM

I liked The Brood and don't see anything wrong with it, although I have seen some haters around here.

fortunato

11-29-2007, 07:53 PM

i really enjoy the brood. it's grim, disgusting, and totally out there, even for a cronenberg film. i really have a lot of fun watching this one, and even find it quite rewatchable. i'm a little surprised to see this one offered up to the "movie bashing" thread.

Kane_Hodder

11-29-2007, 07:57 PM

I have seen some comments about people not liking it for some reason. Maybe that is why _V_ has it up.

illdojo

11-29-2007, 08:45 PM

I can't bash it.... I dig The Brood.
Cronenberg is a good filmmaker.

jenna26

11-30-2007, 08:13 AM

I can't bash it.... I dig The Brood.
Cronenberg is a good filmmaker.

He's probably my FAVORITE filmmaker, so you all know I won't bash it. ;) Not my favorite Cronenberg film, but it is up there, its quite....disturbing.

Roderick Usher

11-30-2007, 10:40 AM

fortunato

11-30-2007, 04:21 PM

i don't really see any opposition to the brood being called a great film.

any haters wish to speak up?

_____V_____

11-30-2007, 08:48 PM

Obviously the haters dont know about this thread or they would have, by now.;)

Anyway, since it has got a positive response largely, I m going to skip it (for now) and move to another controversial entry which people have very strong love-hate relationship with.

It has been hailed for its uniqueness in plot, yet bashed for poor execution and direction.

But what exactly is wrong with

Cube?

Bring it on!

Roderick Usher

11-30-2007, 09:38 PM

the acting! ugh:mad:

And the autistic kid is a genius? Kinda weak.

Yellow Jacket

12-01-2007, 04:56 AM

Not bad, but not great. there were some cool scenes (such as the splicing scene), but the math threw me off. Math and horror just don't mix.

Despare

12-01-2007, 11:50 AM

the acting! ugh:mad:

And the autistic kid is a genius? Kinda weak.

The acting was sooooo bad... each character was a walking cliche, but I really loved the movie.

fortunato

12-01-2007, 12:10 PM

yeah, this one was pretty weak,
and the acting was certainly something to roll your eyes at.

i've never been so impressed with cube, although i guess you can't argue that it isn't original.

The Mothman

12-01-2007, 02:14 PM

I loved cube. really original idea.

give us some movies that we can actually bash V!:)

The Mothman

12-13-2007, 03:59 AM

___v___ ? ? ? ?

_____V_____

12-19-2007, 06:51 PM

Right here, Moth.

Everyone loves to bash bad horror movies...in fact most of us revel in it.:D

But the idea behind making this thread was to bash good, critically-appreciated horror flicks. One man's love is another man's hate...and that makes...or rather, has made...for very interesting discussion/debate.;)

And, I do agree that the acting in Cube was horrible, but where the movie scored was the plot and the deaths. Very unique indeed.

Ok, hmm...this movie has been hailed as one of the best of 90s horror, and most of us love it for its cheesiness and gore. Yet, some of us dont like it that much.

What was it...casting gone bad? Weak direction? Ending sequence? You tell me what is wrong with

Bram Stoker's Dracula?

Here comes the bashing!!

jenna26

12-20-2007, 11:33 AM

I actually love Bram Stoker's Dracula; it had a great look, and I love Gary Oldman as Dracula. But there was some horrible casting decisions there, and it really hurt the movie. I can see why others wouldn't care for it.

paws the great

12-21-2007, 04:09 PM

_____V_____

12-31-2007, 07:26 PM

Yes Keanu Reeves was a bad call. He looked totally out of place as Harker (who says only Christian Slater is wooden?), but Winona did an OK job as Mina, IMO, although I would have preferred a more sexy and vulnerable actress to do the part.

So, besides the casting, anything else wrong with the movie? Or was it just the casting?

fortunato

12-31-2007, 11:15 PM

So, besides the casting, anything else wrong with the movie? Or was it just the casting?

i haven't seen it in a while, but the casting is definitely what comes to mind.
however, tom waits as renford was pretty sweet. he plays a good crazy codger.

Doc Faustus

01-01-2008, 08:45 AM

_____V_____

01-22-2008, 09:56 PM

First of all, was David Bowie art director and costume designer on this movie? Second of all, even Madonna is more believable as a British person than Keanu was. Madonna is Italian, she will never be British and neither will Keanu. He acts like Spiccoli doing masterpiece theater. Anthony Hopkins was good, though. Hopkins was the most true to the gauche Van Helsing of Stoker's novel, so that was cool. But substance was sacrificed for style. If I want to see lame, derivative eyecandy that mangles the Hammer aesthetic, I'll watch Sleepy Hollow. Oh, and Sleepy Hollow blows too. Way to squander Christopher Lee, Tim Burton. Way to squander a horror archetype, Coppola.

I d love to award the title of Surgeon General to Doc. He dissects the movies with a scalpel as smoothly as skin being peeled off by a plastic surgeon.:D

This is good stuff. Keep it coming folks!!

Which brings me to another guilty pleasure yet a much hated movie of modern times...

Why don't many of you like Alien vs Predator? You got both of the most scariest monsters on-screen together vying for top glory, and Paul Anderson directing Lance Henriksen and a buncha lame actors.

Was it the lack of claustrophobia? Or was it the plot?

Bring on the bashing!!

jenna26

01-23-2008, 08:06 AM

_____V_____

01-23-2008, 10:11 AM

I've yet to see it. I've never really been interested, just didn't seem to be a good idea ( I am not sure why THAT would stop me, it never has before). Though I am sure I will see it and Requiem eventually.

It would be a good idea to watch em back to back. Surely it doesnt compare to watching Alien/Aliens or Predator/Predator 2, but yeah from what I saw from the trailers...they say Requiem is actually a pretty decent watch.

But...going back to the original, what did the movie actually lack? Paul W Anderson's genius in narration? A script which nobody cared for? Or characters who made sunday mass actually seem much better?

Even the die-hard and loyal AvP gamers didnt have much to shout about AvP. Exactly what didn't click with them?

_____V_____

02-01-2008, 02:09 AM

***Bump***

Anyone else wanna take a crack at AvP? If not, we can move on to the dissection of another fun movie.:D

newb

02-01-2008, 05:20 AM

I didn't hate it

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/rockinmule/mouse.gif

Kane_Hodder

02-01-2008, 06:53 AM

I thought it was good. The trouble with the series was, Alien and Aliens set such high precedents that the rest can't live up to the expectations.

_____V_____

02-01-2008, 08:53 AM

I thought it was good. The trouble with the series was, Alien and Aliens set such high precedents that the rest can't live up to the expectations.

Indeed. Isnt that true for all franchises? No wonder we are almost always disappointed with the sequels. Anyway, I thought AvP was mildly entertaining, and had its fair share of atmosphere too. It will remain one of my guilty pleasures (for being a hardcore fan of both franchises).

Hmm...moving on, Doc mentioned recently about a flick which also had its fair share of acclaim and criticism. It was a brooding and gothic take on the infamous legend (and the book by Washington Irving), and it makes for quality entertainment during Halloween. So, even after having such stellar performances by Johnny Depp, Christopher Walken and Miranda Richardson...why do the critics love to bash

Sleepy Hollow?

"OFF WITH THE HEADS!"

Oops...I mean...bring forth the bashing!!:D

Despare

02-01-2008, 09:03 AM

I really liked Sleepy Hollow! The setting was great, the acting was above average, and the story was fun even if it did change the legend around a bit. My only complaint was that there needed to be more of the horseman.

newb

02-01-2008, 09:14 AM

I have no complaints with this one either [ i'm very easy to please ]. I thought it had much atmosphere and another great performance from Depp.

illdojo

02-01-2008, 09:18 AM

I also liked Sleepy Hollow. Although my opinion maybe bias, because Depp is probably my favorite actor.

jenna26

02-01-2008, 09:38 AM

I have no complaints with this one either [ i'm very east to please ]. I thought it had much atmosphere and another great performance from Depp.

I'm easy to please as well, for the most part, and I love this film. The performances were good; Depp was great and the casting of Walken was inspired. It had a wonderfully dark look. I think its a very good film.

colubrid660

02-01-2008, 09:50 AM

Anyone else wanna take a crack at AvP? If not, we can move on to the dissection of another fun movie.:D

I am sort of ambivalent about this movie. I have said I hated it, but I think of all the "Alien" films on a spectrum, with Alien on one end, and Resurrection on the other. I guess this one is in between along with Alien3.

I thought AvP was mildly entertaining, and had its fair share of atmosphere too.

Yeah, I think it did too, and also a lot of slick visual references to previous films, which you'll notice only if you pay attention. Sometimes I think this is Anderson's way of placating die-hard fans of franchises so he is more free to mutilate them as he sees fit (like Resident Evil). But he did leave the dark, cramped atmosphere and a little of the tension of previous films, which I appreciate.

I thought it was good. The trouble with the series was, Alien and Aliens set such high precedents that the rest can't live up to the expectations.

Very good point. The first 3 films were so good, and the 4th film (Resurrection, with its stupid baby Alien and lame "humor") is so bad, I think we all had high expectations on it to bring the franchise back into respectable horror. It delivered on this slightly I think; it was not nearly as bad as Resurrection, but then, it was no Aliens either, so there is room for improvement. I haven't seen Requiem yet, but it seems to be based on an early script of AvP, which I read online before AvP came out and was pretty good. I have seen the Unrated DVD out which includes extra footage and supposedly adds to and improves the original film.

Was it the lack of claustrophobia? Or was it the plot?

It was mostly the plot. AvP was pretty claustrophobic in only a few parts, but it was also a predator movie to some extent, so I guess I can forgive that. The plot was the bigger problem. Typical Anderson, I suppose, without going too much into detail. Resident Evil could have been a really freaky and scary movie, but the result was little more than an excuse to ogle Milla in that torn dress. Yummy.

Anyways, I think Resurrection deserves the ridicule if we are going to bash any Alien movies. What did you guys think of it?

_____V_____

02-01-2008, 09:51 AM

colubrid660

02-01-2008, 09:52 AM

Its a great flick no doubt. But come on folks...we arent exactly bashing it are we?;)

I wanna bash Resurrection!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

Staplez

02-01-2008, 07:29 PM

Very nicely dissected, colubrid. I am impressed. And I m sure Alien: Resurrection will be up anytime soon in this thread.

Anyway, about Sleepy Hollow, its a great flick no doubt. But come on folks...we arent exactly bashing it are we?;)

Someone get Doc Faustus. He ll give this one a nice kick in the butt.:D

I loved Sleepy Hollow. Depp, Walken, Burton. Whats not to like? Classic story and decent acting.

On a side note, I thought the horseman was scarier with the head on.

fortunato

02-01-2008, 07:44 PM

On a side note, I thought the horseman was scarier with the head on.

christopher walken with demon teeth!
ahhh!

sleepy hollow is fun. it's not amazing, but it's exactly as good as it tries to be, and that's what i enjoy about it.

colubrid660

02-02-2008, 07:33 AM

Very nicely dissected, colubrid. I am impressed. And I m sure Alien: Resurrection will be up anytime soon in this thread.

Thank you.

sleepy hollow is fun. it's not amazing, but it's exactly as good as it tries to be, and that's what i enjoy about it.

Its typical Tim Burton, so appreciate it for that. Its a fun movie with a gothic edge. Sure it will disappoint the hardcore horror fans among us (I am at the point where "Dawn of the Dead 2004" is a "Fun" movie hah hah), but its cool in its own Burton-y way. I'm not a teenage emo girl, so Johnny Depp is not my favorite actor, but he seems to play whatever part Burton gives him quite well, and he was good on 21 Jump St., so he's cool in my book. No Walken though. :p The movie was especially cool for me because I grew up in that area, near Ichabod Crane high school, and it does kind of look like that around there, it gets really dark and desolate in the fall, and I think fantastical elements aside (like Burton's signature, almost cartoon-y dark landscapes) the setting was done quite well.

So lets stop wasting time attempting to shit on a pretty good movie, and really shit on a bad one.....like say Alien: Resurrection :D

Despare

02-02-2008, 01:41 PM

Hey _V_, we need a bad flick here, otherwise this will become Movie Nitpickers Inc.

colubrid660

02-03-2008, 06:26 AM

Hey _V_, we need a bad flick here, otherwise this will become Movie Nitpickers Inc.

There is no shortage of bad flicks in American horror Cinema. Heres some I remember from the mid 2000's

- The Exorcism of Emily Rose (stupid)

- Resident Evil: Apocalypse (lame)

- The Boogeyman (complete crap)

- Doom (insert string of expletives here)

_____V_____

02-03-2008, 07:33 AM

Hey _V_, we need a bad flick here, otherwise this will become Movie Nitpickers Inc.

lmao :D

The purpose of this thread was to bash popular and critically-acclaimed horror movies...but I guess we could take our frustrations out on a punching bag once in awhile.

Ok...from the draw of lots, I guess the first one in line to be bashed is...

Wishmaster!!

Let the bashing begin!:cool:

fortunato

02-03-2008, 07:53 AM

wow, lots of possibilities here for bashing. i'll pick a small one so that others have a turn.

worst "catch phrase" ever:

"give me your wisheeees!"

Staplez

02-03-2008, 08:02 AM

Wishmaster is not a great movie by far. Theres worse ways to spend a coupla hours I guess. It just felt poorly put togather to me for some reason. Nothing really........redeeming about it imo.

illdojo

02-03-2008, 08:39 AM

Wishmaster definitely blows. Wes Craven should have never put his name on this waste of film. It was to cheesy to muster up one scare.

_____V_____

02-03-2008, 06:53 PM

Nice.

Keep going!!:D

newb

02-03-2008, 07:15 PM

I kinda........liked it.

ok....it did seem somewhat cheesy and I can't believe they made .....what ....two sequels....but overall...not a terrible movie.

some nice cameos and Andrew Divoff made a somewhat engaging villian.

I guess I'm just not good at the bashing

fortunato

02-03-2008, 09:22 PM

I guess I'm just not good at the bashing

newb, you're too gentle.
:D

colubrid660

02-06-2008, 08:13 AM

What did everyone think of "Jaws: The Revenge"?

Staplez

02-06-2008, 02:03 PM

I saw it when I was still a wee tike and loved it. Looking back now I dont know what the hell I was thinking. It was horrible, not the good horrible, the bad horrible.

They were grasping at straws with the plot and the acting sucked.

colubrid660

02-06-2008, 08:05 PM

I saw it when I was still a wee tike and loved it. Looking back now I dont know what the hell I was thinking. It was horrible, not the good horrible, the bad horrible.

I agree. Some bad movies are fun to watch, but this one is downright painful. I don't expect every movie I watch to be scientifically accurate. This one didn't even try. I know that white sharks are not as agressive as they are in "Jaws", but "The Revenge" pushed it over the limit. Sharks, especially bulky great whites, cannot swim from Long Island to Hawaii in just 3 days. Please. ALL fish, including sharks, obviously lack the intelligence to come up with the ability to enact the "family vendetta", seen in this movie. Few fish are able to make sounds underwater, and white sharks are certainly not one of those few (yeah, the fish is roaring in fury at the end of the movie). Whites are known to hop out of the water, but not so high as to grab someone from the mast of a boat. On that note, the guy who got grabbed off the mast seemed to survive...ummm how?

The shark effects look like shit. Somehow, this film turned back time so that fake sharks made in the 70's manage to look better than those made in the late 80's. There is some nice underwater footage, but this is not enough to redeem this film. I can get plenty of that from the Discovery channel. Most of the special effects look like the producer bought a plastic shark from Wal*Mart and filmed the shark sequences of the film in his kid's swimming pool. They are that bad.

Even if you ignore the obvious violations to common sense and bad effects in this film, it is still an obvious, boring attempt cash in on the then aging Jaws franchise. What really pisses me off is that franchises like Jaws, which began as an excellent book turned groundbreaking film, end only when the worst sequel fails to make any money. And sometimes, franchises don't even end after that. I bet off the top of your head, you can name 3.

chaibill

02-17-2008, 03:35 PM

CUBE is a pile of shit that has a uncanny resemblance to George W. Bush and Dick Cheaney ass fucking each other.
let me dissect All of the characters are cliches (bad ass black guy, know it all guy that gets killed real quick(the french escape artist), dumb ass with glasses then has glasses broken who the fuck gets glass lenses? plastic fucking lenses asshole director) I started a thread about this some time ago. The story isn't bad but the movie is.

Jaws i like, Scream was good in the theater, Friday the 13th i like.

Jeepers Creepers Was shit too that guys skin is too small for the monster and how much would be lost in the pealing of the boy. Then if he wanted to hide the stiches like on clothing he would need more skin like a fat guys skinG John Goodmen fat.

How about ... CREEP didn't like it.

chaibill

02-20-2008, 05:46 PM

So no one else saw CREEP

thevodguy

02-21-2008, 05:45 AM

So no one else saw CREEP

I never saw Creep, but I have to agree with you on Cube. To me, it's like Lost meets Saw, but without any redeeming value...except for the end with the slow guy, that was kinda cool. I agree with the cliche characters too...that movie had more stereotypes than Radio Shack. I have a screening copy of the direct-to-video prequel, never even opened it.

Despare

02-21-2008, 05:47 PM

I never saw Creep, but I have to agree with you on Cube. To me, it's like Lost meets Saw, but without any redeeming value...except for the end with the slow guy, that was kinda cool. I agree with the cliche characters too...that movie had more stereotypes than Radio Shack. I have a screening copy of the direct-to-video prequel, never even opened it.

The Cube's characters were meant to be representations of different aspects of humanity. Every movie doesn't have to include deep character development, while it's a great aspect of cinema there are times in which people just don't grow... or change... or learn. They're more cyphers than anything, just a part of the puzzle with only one talent and beyond that they don't really matter because it's all just about the Cube.

Staplez

02-22-2008, 01:54 PM

The Cube's characters were meant to be representations of different aspects of humanity..

Like The Breakfast Club:D

chaibill

02-24-2008, 10:44 AM

you mean like the WB Network

ABnormaL

02-24-2008, 11:23 AM

I loved Cube. Yeah I know a lot of the movie was terrible for various reasons, but I couldn't help but love it. I just think I'm a sucker for the whole 'They wake up, don't know where they are, who they are, blahblah' type of films/tv shows/books. Darrrn.

Creep I saw in the cinema aggeees ago. I remember not liking it that much, but then I don't remember why exactly...

thevodguy

02-25-2008, 08:51 AM

The Cube's characters were meant to be representations of different aspects of humanity. Every movie doesn't have to include deep character development, while it's a great aspect of cinema there are times in which people just don't grow... or change... or learn. They're more cyphers than anything, just a part of the puzzle with only one talent and beyond that they don't really matter because it's all just about the Cube.

That's gotta be the most flattering description I've ever heard for Cube, lol. I can see where you're coming from though, about it being more about the Cube than the static characters in it. I just find it somewhat difficult to get into a movie when you don't really care what happens to the characters...that is, without an axe wielding maniac chasing them. Being that the main villain is an inanimate object, I could've gone for at least one character with substance.

That being said, the ending of the movie alone warrants at least a one time viewing.

Papillon Noir

02-25-2008, 11:27 AM

I really liked Cube, though probably not something I would watch over and over again. I thought it was an original premise and it was very intriguing to watch the first time around. Watching it was like trying to figure out a puzzle because you didn't know why they were there.

Now the slew of lame sequels was just an attempt to cash in on a cool idea, an idea that apparently only works the first time around.

_____V_____

02-28-2008, 07:29 AM

Man...you all roasted Cube so much it might have blasted to bits by now...

Moving on...

Its considered as a cult classic, and many people love the central character. But when 80s Horror is considered, many horror fans dont exactly put this as their #1 favorite.

Can those haters please clarify about why they share such a deep love-hate relationship with

Child's Play?

Here comes the bashing!!!:cool:

Despare

02-28-2008, 08:14 AM

Can those haters please clarify about why they share such a deep love-hate relationship with

Child's Play?

Child's Play was terrifying!!!

When I was 8.

I don't know, I like cheesy horror and love bad horror films but Chucky just doesn't do it for me. The acting, the effects, the whole premise is just flat to me now. Come to think of it, I wasn't even a huge fan when I was younger and often got distracted trying to finish it.

Doc Faustus

02-28-2008, 08:30 AM

I concur. It's great in the childhood trauma department, but when you're an adult, it doesn't really cut it. It uses child endangerment to transgress, but there's nothing all that transgressive about the rest of the movie. It's a yawn. Not only is it a yawn, but it's also a preachy yawn. It kind of drives home concerns of child neglect in the materialistic eighties with less than a velvet glove and also goes back to the "listen to your kids" message of so many other movies. It's very ho hum, kinda declassé and not very well acted. I bought it...for a dollar, and that's about what a person should pay for the kind of moviegoing experience it provides. That said, I love Bride of Chucky. It's campy, clever, fun, sorta sexy, actually transgressive and it taught an old dog new tricks.

Elvis_Christ

02-29-2008, 12:31 AM

Most horror flicks aren't scary when you're an adult. Child's Play fuckin' kills! Its a really dark flick compared to the sequels and Tom Holland's debut Fright Night (definatley more reminiscent to his scripts for Psycho II and Class Of 1984).
Can't wait till some asshole gets all cliche and posts that Devil Doll is better and Child's Play ripped it off :rolleyes:

chaibill

03-02-2008, 05:08 PM

That's gotta be the most flattering description I've ever heard for Cube, lol. I can see where you're coming from though, about it being more about the Cube than the static characters in it. I just find it somewhat difficult to get into a movie when you don't really care what happens to the characters...that is, without an axe wielding maniac chasing them. Being that the main villain is an inanimate object, I could've gone for at least one character with substance.

That being said, the ending of the movie alone warrants at least a one time viewing.

You mean the Token Black Guy or the cube

colubrid660

03-05-2008, 02:00 PM

Can't wait till some asshole gets all cliche and posts that Devil Doll is better and Child's Play ripped it off :rolleyes:

The way I see it, EVERY horror film takes inspiration from some where, whether from recent movies, to Victorian literature, right down to scary fables and folk tales. So who cares, everything ripped off some theme or story at some point, you know?

Elvis_Christ

03-05-2008, 03:32 PM

The way I see it, EVERY horror film takes inspiration from some where, whether from recent movies, to Victorian literature, right down to scary fables and folk tales. So who cares, everything ripped off some theme or story at some point, you know?

Exactly .....

_____V_____

03-11-2008, 07:28 PM

Valid hammering, guys.

Chucky has seriously lost his scary steam now...and I doubt today's kids would be scared of him either.

So, after Child's Play completes its second stint of bashing here (I forgot it was up earlier in the thread already!), we now move on to a flick which tried to walk in the steps of Scream but got shunned by horror lovers and haters alike. But with such a strong and gorgeous cast, why didn't

Urban Legend

appeal to the average viewer?

Bring on the bashing!!:cool:

Elvis_Christ

03-11-2008, 08:48 PM

_____V_____

03-13-2008, 07:01 AM

Maybe because Jared Leto is a himbo who can't act for shit and the 90s screamteen horror backlash had begun. I think the sequel is a great flick (I feel the same way about Final Destination). For me Valentine is the best film of this era.

He sucked with a capital S, thats for sure.

Anyone else wants to have a go? Get your boxing gloves on and feel free...;)

newb

03-13-2008, 07:03 AM

Maybe the fact that I can't remember a single detail of that movie proves it sucked.

Despare

03-13-2008, 07:05 AM

Maybe the fact that I can't remember a single detail of that movie proves it sucked.

I remember the beginning which I did enjoy, the pop rocks and coke fake death. The rest kind of blends together with I Know What You Did Last Summer and the like.

jenna26

03-13-2008, 07:10 AM

Maybe the fact that I can't remember a single detail of that movie proves it sucked.

That's exactly it I think, at least to me it wasn't so much bad as just completely forgettable.

urgeok2

03-13-2008, 07:20 AM

Maybe the fact that I can't remember a single detail of that movie proves it sucked.

same here.

Other than giallo - i'm not a fan of 80's slashers.
i didnt mind the 1st Scream because it had fun with slasher films - but unfortunately it spawned a new wave of them (that didnt last thank god)

unorigional pap.

_____V_____

03-13-2008, 07:45 AM

The very fact that all of you folks forgot about this trashy flick is ample bashing!:D

(Of course, it was the last moments of watching Tara Reid look as gorgeous as she did here)

Moving on, some hardcore fans hail this movie as ground-breaking, innovative, original and a trendsetter. Yet, there is a select group which thinks that this movie caused more ruin to the genre than add any positivism.

Will the haters take their stance and explain why they think

Ringu

took away a chunk of the genre with it, rather than add anything productive to it?

Here comes the bashing!!:cool:

fortunato

03-13-2008, 04:34 PM

ringu i watched a long time ago, so i don't remember much about it.
what i do remember is feeling that it was very silly, and not scary in the least.

i rolled my eyes a lot during ringu.

_____V_____

03-18-2008, 07:41 AM

Well, it has been claimed to have revolutionised Asian horror and western audiences in many ways.

Anyone else dares to chuck a rotten egg?

illdojo

03-18-2008, 08:07 AM

*Chucks rotten egg*
Ringu is a total suck fest. I liked the remake The Ring a lot more. I usually like the original more than the remake, but this is not the case here.

urgeok2

03-18-2008, 08:07 AM

Well, it has been claimed to have revolutionised Asian horror and western audiences in many ways.

Anyone else dares to chuck a rotten egg?

no - i give the movie a lot of credit... it really was the first exposure for a lot of people (or at least the american remake was)

but eventually people found out there was a japanese version and some checked it out out of curiosity and had a whole new world of horror opened up to them.

sure - there's a lot of sameness in asian horror - but it's usually pretty well made.

a whole hell of a lot better than those 2000+ inane - made for kids 80's slasher movies that were indistingushable from each other

The Mothman

03-18-2008, 08:19 AM

ive never seen Ringu, but The Ring sucked...

Doc Faustus

03-18-2008, 08:27 AM

Ringu is an important movie in its way. But lots of important movies are also dull, and or sucky. La Strada for example. Important? Yes. But it's maudlin, insensitive and boring, with a message that doesn't really have much of a leg to stand on. Ringu is something of a lesson in genre history (recent though it might be) and is decent medicine for the horror fan that doesn't need the proverbial spoon full of sugar. And by sugar, I mean entertainment.

urgeok2

03-18-2008, 10:19 AM

i was very entertained by Ringu ..

J-horror has always felt like italian horror to me whereby you are dealing with style over substance (the age old HDC debate)

If done well, i am every bit entertained as i am by something more straightforward.

i enjoy the visuals, the building tension (by what we can see that the victim can't) and i can appreciate that the long haired ghost lady figures prominantly in asian culture.

They are innovative (the 1st time you see them) and usually nicely shot.
(maybe because i cant understand japanese) - the perfomances seem fine.

above all else - the image of that girl crawling towards the viewer/victim with that jerky slow camera motion - will be forever burned into the minds of horror fans - and many non horror fans - alike.

that alone puts itself heads and shoulders above the forgetful pap we're exposed to constantly as fans of the genre.

rasobasi420

03-20-2008, 05:24 AM

i was very entertained by Ringu ..

above all else - the image of that girl crawling towards the viewer/victim with that jerky slow camera motion - will be forever burned into the minds of horror fans - and many non horror fans - alike.

That was a cool effect until it became overused in Japanese and American films alike (The Grudge, A Tale of Two Sisters, The Fair Haired Child.....). It's still a creepy shot, but it gets old after a while.

I watched Ringu because everyone I knew was talking about how good 'The Ring' was, and I wanted to be the purist snob that I am. I figured that if people were talking about 'The Ring' then 'Ringu' must be that much better. I was mistaken. I suppose it tried for the cinematography over story or anything, but I walked away thinking that I had wasted a small portion of my life.

I'm almost bored with J-Horror these days. Maybe it's the subtitles making my eyes get tired, or maybe it's that I keep seeing the same thing over and over again, but I almost never pick something up anymore just because it's Japanese (c'mon, we all had that stage where ninja weapons, anime, and Japanese culture was hip to follow)