I've Read The Script (Halloween 2007)

[halloweenfreak1]

I have read the script of Halloween. I have to say I was excited right before I started reading it. I got the script from a friend of mine who lives in California. He told me it was a solid script with a good story line. Well, I hate to tell you this but if you are an original halloween fan like myself this film will not impress you. I'm still holding on to the fact that it could be a copy-cat script. I'm not going to ruin it for you but I will tell you it fits the Rob Zombie style. Excessive blood ,unpresidented amount of nudity, and just not like the original. I know that the film was bound to change a little but they fucked up the whole persona of Michael Myers. He is tall enough to be an NBA all-star, and is fast enough to break the 100 meter world record. I'm still going to see this movie because I'm still hoping, but if this is the real script then I am not impressed!!!!!

[VampiricClown]

If Zombie screws this up, I will down talk him for the rest of my life.

[halloweenfreak1]

If Zombie screws this up, I will down talk him for the rest of my life.

Man it really dos'nt look good from my point of view. If that was the script that I had I'm going to be pretty pissed. If it does flop I hope its not too bad.

[paws the great]

Excessive blood ,unpresidented amount of nudity, and just not like the original. !!!

Sounds great to me!;)

[VampiricClown]

Man it really dos'nt look good from my point of view. If that was the script that I had I'm going to be pretty pissed. If it does flop I hope its not too bad.

I'll most likely be there on opening day. The original is my favorite movie, and I fear this will ruin it for me though.

[alkytrio666]

If Zombie screws this up, I will down talk him for the rest of my life.
Ditto. I loved both House of 1000 Corpses and The Devil's Rejects, but it seems like the only thing that could drive somebody to remake Halloween would be an over-inflated ego, or the money. Now I know Zombie's heart is in the game, so it probably isn't the money.

He likes horror movies, and he's directed two, so now he figures that justification to remake a classic? I hate to put it this way, or sound snobby, but just who the fuck does he think he is? He's certainly got a lot of things running against him (in my book, at least), and he better make damn sure the film is up to par, or it could put an enormous dent in the slow but sure reputation he's been building in the world of cinema.

[halloweenfreak1]

I just hope the movie is good or some what watchable. I don't want it to be a huge flop. I hope that even if I don't like it that the younger generation of horror lovers will. Just so the legacy of the Halloween series isnt shattered.

[illdojo]

Ditto. I loved both House of 1000 Corpses and The Devil's Rejects, but it seems like the only thing that could drive somebody to remake Halloween would be an over-inflated ego, or the money. Now I know Zombie's heart is in the game, so it probably isn't the money.

He likes horror movies, and he's directed two, so now he figures that justification to remake a classic? I hate to put it this way, or sound snobby, but just who the fuck does he think he is? He's certainly got a lot of things running against him (in my book, at least), and he better make damn sure the film is up to par, or it could put an enormous dent in the slow but sure reputation he's been building in the world of cinema.

Well said Alky. :cool:

[alkytrio666]

One of the things that I think is sad is that all horror movies get a bad wrap, and this leaks onto the classics, most of which are actually really good movies.

Halloween is already thought of, outside of horror lovers, as an excessively violent, uncreative, ruthless and thoughtless bloodbath, which it isn't, really. I believe most of that is due to the fact that its sequels have been that way, so people who don't follow horror automatically think of the original this way.

I believe that the remake is just going to put the nail in the coffin; if it garners a bad reputation, this will be tacked on to the (from the general publics' eye) pathetic reputation the film now has.

[halloweenfreak1]

Well really, who fucking cares about how the general public thinks about our movies(I say our referring to horror fans). It dosn't matter how non-horror fans think when it comes to new horror releases. These movies are the movies that make us tick and we are the only population that they are supposed to attract. fuck all of those stuck up muther fuckers.

[massacre man]

Well, it's Rob Zombie's "Halloween", so he can't really be fucking up John Carpenter's Michael, if anything he's just making a fucked up Rob Zombie's Michael.

I think Rob chose to do this because if he didn't somebody else would, I would jump off of a bridge if this fell into the hands of someone like Uwe Boll or Michael Bay.

[novakru]

If Rob Zombie-made Halloween an exact copy of the original except with up-dated actors ...... how amazing would THAT be?

He WILL put his stamp on this picture, but as much as he digs and respects horror, he will do a great job IMHO.

[alkytrio666]

Well really, who fucking cares about how the general public thinks about our movies(I say our referring to horror fans). It dosn't matter how non-horror fans think when it comes to new horror releases. These movies are the movies that make us tick and we are the only population that they are supposed to attract. fuck all of those stuck up muther fuckers.

Horror movies used to be respected...you know, when movies like The Exorcist and The Omen were getting Academy Award recognition, and The Thing and The Shining were garnishing big name actors.

Now it's considered a shit genre...and in result, we get shit movies.
And that's why we should give a fuck what the general people think about horror.

You may be down for the rebellious, fuck everybody attitude, but I'm kind of getting sick and tired of what we've been getting spoon-fed horror-wise lately.
I want my real horror back.

[halloweenfreak1]

Horror movies used to be respected...you know, when movies like The Exorcist and The Omen were getting Academy Award recognition, and The Thing and The Shining were garnishing big name actors.

Now it's considered a shit genre...and in result, we get shit movies.
And that's why we should give a fuck what the general people think about horror.

You may be down for the rebellious, fuck everybody attitude, but I'm kind of getting sick and tired of what we've been getting spoon-fed horror-wise lately.
I want my real horror back.
Well put... I respect that.

[Posher778]

I see a ruined masterpiece in the near future. Zombie style films- gory,tons of cussing, 10 bajillion boobies, etc etc etc. Halloween original- little blood, very little cussing (i think it is a significant detail since rejects had SO much it throws me out of proportion), and only... 9 bajillion boobies.

[massacre man]

I see a ruined masterpiece in the near future. Zombie style films- gory,tons of cussing, 10 bajillion boobies, etc etc etc. Halloween original- little blood, very little cussing (i think it is a significant detail since rejects had SO much it throws me out of proportion), and only... 9 bajillion boobies.

The cussing was the nature of the characters though, Otis, Baby, Spaulding, Wydell, all of them are the type of people that spout out swears. I doubt you'd see it with these types of characters, I seriously don't think you'd see Dr. Loomis say "You don't know what God damn Fucking evil is!" or "I looked into his fucking eyes! They were the god damn devil's eyes!"

[Posher778]

The cussing was the nature of the characters though, Otis, Baby, Spaulding, Wydell, all of them are the type of people that spout out swears. I doubt you'd see it with these types of characters, I seriously don't think you'd see Dr. Loomis say "You don't know what God damn Fucking evil is!" or "I looked into his fucking eyes! They were the god damn devil's eyes!"

Yeah I know, but I wouldn't put it past Zombie.

[alkytrio666]

Well put... I respect that.
Thank you. And I'm not saying you're wrong, either...it just may be the remake we've been looking for.

We'll have to wait and see, I guess.

[bwind22]

First off, I'd be surrpised if the script your friend in LA has is the shooting script of the film. Secondly, I don't see how Rob Zombie can be attacked for taking the project. What up and coming horror director wouldn't jump at the chance to remake Halloween if someone offered him the project? If I were Zombie, I'd be looking at it like this... It's going to get remade by someone anyways, it'll probably do well in theatres and advance my career, why WOULDN'T I take the project?

That being said, I am with the majority here that fears Zombie could replace the haunting atmosphere in the original with gallons of gore. The original Halloween is awesome because John Carpenter did so much on such a small budget. That's impossible to replicate with a big name director, a big studio backing it, and a big budget.

I'm looking forward to it, but I'm not getting my hopes up. I'm undecided on Zombie as a director, but it could be worse... Uwe Boll could be at the helm and then we'd already KNOW for sure that the franchise is fucked.

[Despare]

How can a remake ruin the original? At the worst the remake just won't be good. I'm expecting a completely different movie and I bet he delivers.

[The_Return]

Calm down guys...

We all know that this is going to be alot different from the original. It's Rob Zombie's Halloween, not John Carpenter's.

Have you guys not seen the trailer? No, it's not going to be the classic we all love, but if a horror fan can watch that trailer and say that it doesnt look like a 100% badass slasher flick...there's something wrong.

Zombie has a great track record and an obvious respect for the genre. I have faith that his take on this will turn out to be one of the best horror movies of the decade, and one of the best remakes of all-time.

[neverending]

Calm down guys...

We all know that this is going to be alot different from the original. It's Rob Zombie's Halloween, not John Carpenter's.

Have you guys not seen the trailer? No, it's not going to be the classic we all love, but if a horror fan can watch that trailer and say that it doesnt look like a 100% badass slasher flick...there's something wrong.

Zombie has a great track record and an obvious respect for the genre. I have faith that his take on this will turn out to be one of the best horror movies of the decade, and one of the best remakes of all-time.



Yes, I've seen the trailer. It looks moronic.

[alkytrio666]

Yes, I've seen the trailer. It looks moronic.
I agree wholeheartedly.

The trailerwas pitiable- it's like a joke.
They spilled more personal information on Myers in the new trailer than Carpenter did in the entire 1978 film.

[_____V_____]

I m skeptical about Zombie's version. Fans of Zombie will love it. I am sure I WONT.

If its in the vein of House of 1000 Corpses/Devil's Rejects, then he has fucked it up. Bad. Which is pretty evident by choosing a tall mofo to play Michael Myers.

Also, knowing Zombie, its all about personalities with attitudes and plenty of gore. And the latest on Halloween was that he re-shot the ending, with no less than six gorific deaths. Enough hint already about how the movie will be like?

Secondly, the way in which remakes have been churning out of the studios recently, it could have been worse. I was all for watching a Aja version of Halloween, since he knows how to handle an atmosphere of chilling suspense better. He did a more-than-decent job with The Hills Have Eyes, but Halloween is a totally different fish to fry. He could have done better, but who knows?

I am against remakes. It just shows the shitty attitude of our movie-makers' towards us. The paying audience wants it, lets give it...we will rake in the money - thats the only thought which is driving them. A remake is good to watch, as long as its in the lines of the original and makes us nostalgic...but a differently-shot remake takes the sheer effect of the original out and replaces it with cheap gimmicks, which makes it shitty. Totally shitty.

We have so many good ones lately - Grindhouse, 1408, Feast, Barricade, etc. Why remake something instead of thinking up of something novel?

Hell I loved Feast. Give me that over Zombie's Halloween and I ll pay for it. Any day, anytime.

[Posher778]

I m skeptical about Zombie's version. Fans of Zombie will love it. I am sure I WONT.

If its in the vein of House of 1000 Corpses/Devil's Rejects, then he has fucked it up. Bad. Which is pretty evident by choosing a tall mofo to play Michael Myers.

Also, knowing Zombie, its all about personalities with attitudes and plenty of gore. And the latest on Halloween was that he re-shot the ending, with no less than six gorific deaths. Enough hint already about how the movie will be like?

Secondly, the way in which remakes have been churning out of the studios recently, it could have been worse. I was all for watching a Aja version of Halloween, since he knows how to handle an atmosphere of chilling suspense better. He did a more-than-decent job with The Hills Have Eyes, but Halloween is a totally different fish to fry. He could have done better, but who knows?

I am against remakes. It just shows the shitty attitude of our movie-makers' towards us. The paying audience wants it, lets give it...we will rake in the money - thats the only thought which is driving them. A remake is good to watch, as long as its in the lines of the original and makes us nostalgic...but a differently-shot remake takes the sheer effect of the original out and replaces it with cheap gimmicks, which makes it shitty. Totally shitty.

We have so many good ones lately - Grindhouse, 1408, Feast, Barricade, etc. Why remake something instead of thinking up of something novel?

Hell I loved Feast. Give me that over Zombie's Halloween and I ll pay for it. Any day, anytime.

I agree aboiut Feast> New halloween

[jenna26]

I want to be fair to Zombie here, and say that it has the potential to be decent. He is a horror fan, and if it HAS to be remade (and trust me whether he had decided to remake it or not, it would have been remade), than I would rather have it done by someone that has a love for horror and an understanding of the genre. Which he does. Also, this is his take on the film, not John Carpenter's....which is a GOOD thing. We already saw Carpenter's film, and Zombie couldn't possibly make that film as well as Carpenter himself did. I wouldn't want to see an exact copy, its been done, and done much better than Zombie is capable of....and I think he knows that.

BUT having said all of that, Zombie has, in my opinion, made one generic, mediocre horror film (House of 1000 Corpses) and one well written, intelligent and effective horror film. I don't think it was a smart move for him to follow them up with a remake. Especially a remake of a film that is as well loved and influential as Halloween. Its a mistake, and he is risking alienating a lot of horror fans, when if he had continued as before, he would have proven himself a bit. This does come across as an ego trip.

But I will give it a chance. I doubt it could possibly piss me off as much as the TCM remake.....;)

[Posher778]

I want to be fair to Zombie here, and say that it has the potential to be decent. He is a horror fan, and if it HAS to be remade (and trust me whether he had decided to remake it or not, it would have been remade), than I would rather have it done by someone that has a love for horror and an understanding of the genre. Which he does. Also, this is his take on the film, not John Carpenter's....which is a GOOD thing. We already saw Carpenter's film, and Zombie couldn't possibly make that film as well as Carpenter himself did. I wouldn't want to see an exact copy, its been done, and done much better than Zombie is capable of....and I think he knows that.

BUT having said all of that, Zombie has, in my opinion, made one generic, mediocre horror film (House of 1000 Corpses) and one well written, intelligent and effective horror film. I don't think it was a smart move for him to follow them up with a remake. Especially a remake of a film that is as well loved and influential as Halloween. Its a mistake, and he is risking alienating a lot of horror fans, when if he had continued as before, he would have proven himself a bit. This does come across as an ego trip.

But I will give it a chance. I doubt it could possibly piss me off as much as the TCM remake.....;)

I got thrashed for it... but I liked the TCM remake better than the original. Haha

[massacre man]

with no less than six gorific deaths.

He re-filmed 3 deaths and added 3, the studio probably told him to make it gorier, but whatever, I know I'll like it regardless because of Ken Foree, Brad Dourif, William Forsythe, Malcolm McDowell and the cameos from Bill, Sid, and Danny Trejo.

[Roderick Usher]

Before the bashing gets out of hand...

The remake wasn't Rob's idea, it was Bob Wienstien who approached Rob with the idea. Rob said no at first, but couldn't get the idea out of his head.

Carpenter told me (I never get tired of saying that) that he gave Rob his blessing and told him to "make it his own."

Yes, I've read the script, and yes is is absolutely a Rob Zombie movie - take that for what it's worth. But nothing can ruin the original. JC's Halloween exists. Most of us here own it. It's not like Rob is filming over the top of Carpenter's original master.

This is just another installment in a shaky franchise that I'm quite sure will at least be better than the last 3 movies in the franchise. And it's being directed by someone whose previous work has been a source of enjoyment for many here.

Let's all relax a bit and wait for the film to actually be released before tearing it to shreds.

[_____V_____]

Yes, I've read the script, and yes is is absolutely a Rob Zombie movie - take that for what it's worth. But nothing can ruin the original. JC's Halloween exists. Most of us here own it. It's not like Rob is filming over the top of Carpenter's original master.

This is just another installment in a shaky franchise that I'm quite sure will at least be better than the last 3 movies in the franchise. And it's being directed by someone whose previous work has been a source of enjoyment for many here.

Cant agree more. Hence my skepticism for this movie. I am waiting to watch it, then give my full opinion on this.

[Kane_Hodder]

Watching it with an open mind will certainly be different.
Just pretend, for a moment, that John Carpenter's Halloween does not exist. And that Rob Zombie has made his own film. Watch it from Zombie's view. Then the comparisons can begin.
I am sure Zombie will do much justice to Halloween, much more than the others have been doing to the recent remakes.

[bwind22]

Carpenter told me (I never get tired of saying that) that he gave Rob his blessing and told him to "make it his own."


Have you ever asked JC what he thinks of the franchise beyond his films? I'd be extremely interested in hearing what he thinks of Halloween 3-Resurrection.




Regarding remakes in general, I just wish they would stop remaking films that can not be improved upon. Psycho, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The Hills Have Eyes, Dawn of the Dead, Halloween... The originals of those are already spectacular so there's no need to remake them. There's a Pirahna remake in the works... That's something I support because there's plenty of room to improve on the original there. *shrug*

All that being said, I still have found all of the remakes listed above to be entertaining & enjoyable films, just unneccesarily remade. (With the exception of the Psycho remake, which I did not find enjoyable or entertaining. Shot for shot? Come on! What's the fuckin' point?)

[Despare]

This is the perfect example of a remake I actually DON'T mind. Something that takes some inspiration from the original but changes it enough to really become it's own film. I hate when a remakes try to be exactly like the original myself, but if somebody puts a new spin on a familiar story I kind of dig em'.

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o16/scscanlan/digfrog.gif

[Roderick Usher]

Have you ever asked JC what he thinks of the franchise beyond his films? I'd be extremely interested in hearing what he thinks of Halloween 3-Resurrection.



When we get together it's more like..."how are the repairs going on the house?" or "Seen anything cool lately?" We don't really get into fan-gab.

[Disease]

I can't read this thread, it will kill it all for me!

[bwind22]

When we get together it's more like..."how are the repairs going on the house?" or "Seen anything cool lately?" We don't really get into fan-gab.

Ah, gotcha. You burn 1 with him yet?

[Roderick Usher]

Ah, gotcha. You burn 1 with him yet?

nope, but we're having dinner tomorrow. we'll see:D

[bwind22]

nope, but we're having dinner tomorrow. we'll see:D


Sweet.



Any new updates on Damned? Still in production? Is there a release date yet?

[Roderick Usher]

Any new updates on Damned? Still in production? Is there a release date yet?

Hope to have an update for you shortly. It got derailed, but should be back on track before long.

[bwind22]

Cool. I'm still waiting for Mammoth to replay on Sci Fi or release on DVD. Have you heard anything about whether that'll get released on DVD any time soon? Or don't they really keep you posted on that sort of thing?

[Roderick Usher]

Cool. I'm still waiting for Mammoth to replay on Sci Fi or release on DVD. Have you heard anything about whether that'll get released on DVD any time soon? Or don't they really keep you posted on that sort of thing?

we've really hijacked this thread, no?

I am as far out of the loop as can be. I don't talk to the SciFi folks, leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

[mordrid]

Thread hijacked but interesting info anyways. Can you explained to the uninformed about Mammoth and Damend please Rod? I think I am correct in assuming those are projects you have worked on but would love a bit more info.

[Roderick Usher]

MAMMOTH (along with GRYPHON and KRACKEN: TENTACLES OF THE DEEP) is a SciFi Channel flick I co-wrote - and Mammoth is the only one worth a damn.

DAMNED is a cabin-in-the-woods horror flick I co-wrote that has hit a few speed bumps on the way to the screen. But that's independent filmmaking for you.

LA GOTHIC is the latest and in case you missed the recent news articles about it...
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33325

[Doc Faustus]

Kraken is on sale practically everywhere around here. I saw it at Walmart.

[jenna26]

MAMMOTH (along with GRYPHON and KRACKEN: TENTACLES OF THE DEEP) is a SciFi Channel flick I co-wrote - and Mammoth is the only one worth a damn.


I actually watched Kracken: Tentacles of the Deep. Will keep an eye out for the other two.

[mordrid]

Very cool Rod. Thanks for answering my question.

[Danielnogo]

I think this movie will be a very ejoyable horror movie. What would be the point of making a remake if he didn't change it? It would pretty much be a bomb just like Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The amityville horror, and house of wax.
IMO I think he is going to do a good job, his others movies are just plain scary, and if this movie is anywhere near as freaky as the devils rejects I will be very satisfied.

[Despare]

It would pretty much be a bomb just like Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The amityville horror, and house of wax.

and those are the films that I think were really re-made to appeal to the masses...


I don't expect this one to do anything special at the box office but I'll be checking it out. 7 to 1 it bombs.

[Danielnogo]

I'm gonna watch it, I think it'll be interesting.

[Roderick Usher]

What would be the point of making a remake if he didn't change it? It would pretty much be a bomb just like Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The amityville horror, and house of wax.

Just to keep the facts clear

TCM Remake - $9.2M budget - $107M in box office
Amityville Horror Remake - $19M budget - $86M in box office
House of Wax Remake - $30M budget - $45M in box office

none of those films were "flops." As a metter of fact the first two were HUGE hits and eve House of Wax made its money back BEFORE heading to DVD

The key to horror is keep the budget below $20Million.

[novakru]

BEFORE heading to DVD .

What kind of figures are we talking when they DO hit DVD release??

[Danielnogo]

Just to keep the facts clear

TCM Remake - $9.2M budget - $107M in box office
Amityville Horror Remake - $19M budget - $86M in box office
House of Wax Remake - $30M budget - $45M in box office

none of those films were "flops." As a metter of fact the first two were HUGE hits and eve House of Wax made its money back BEFORE heading to DVD

The key to horror is keep the budget below $20Million.
I didn't mean financial flops, I meant critical flops.

[nightmareslasher]

horror movies are rob zombie's entire life. he owns nearly every horror movie ever made and i am sure that he both loves and respects the original halloween quite a lot. now the fact that he is changing it is a good thing, people somehow expect remakes to be the same movie as the original. the point is its supposed to be different. now being a horror fan himself he knows us and he dosent want to dissapoint and i dont think he will. just go into the movie with an open mind and i bet you will like it. unless of course you are one of those people that will dislike a movie on the sole reason that it is a remake and will hate it no matter how good it is. thats just being shallow minded.

[The_Return]

horror movies are rob zombie's entire life. he owns nearly every horror movie ever made and i am sure that he both loves and respects the original halloween quite a lot. now the fact that he is changing it is a good thing, people somehow expect remakes to be the same movie as the original. the point is its supposed to be different. now being a horror fan himself he knows us and he dosent want to dissapoint and i dont think he will. just go into the movie with an open mind and i bet you will like it. unless of course you are one of those people that will dislike a movie on the sole reason that it is a remake and will hate it no matter how good it is. thats just being shallow minded.

Very well said, my man - my thoughts exactly.

Welcome to Horror.com!!

[Zero]

horror movies are rob zombie's entire life. he owns nearly every horror movie ever made and i am sure that he both loves and respects the original halloween quite a lot. now the fact that he is changing it is a good thing, people somehow expect remakes to be the same movie as the original. the point is its supposed to be different. now being a horror fan himself he knows us and he dosent want to dissapoint and i dont think he will. just go into the movie with an open mind and i bet you will like it. unless of course you are one of those people that will dislike a movie on the sole reason that it is a remake and will hate it no matter how good it is. thats just being shallow minded.

i hate to say that all the advance word from pre-screenings so far have either been overwhelmingly negative or mildly positive (as in "it isn't as bad as people say it will be"). it will almost certainly make money - that's hardly a question in this day of mass-hype and multi-screen distribution deals - but in the grand scope of horror history it will disappear into the cultural dustbin

[massacre man]

i hate to say that all the advance word from pre-screenings so far have either been overwhelmingly negative or mildly positive (as in "it isn't as bad as people say it will be"). it will almost certainly make money - that's hardly a question in this day of mass-hype and multi-screen distribution deals - but in the grand scope of horror history it will disappear into the cultural dustbin

All of the reviews I read were fairly positive. The AICN ones.

[Zero]

All of the reviews I read were fairly positive. The AICN ones.

"The script is hit and miss. There are some genuinely funny lines, but also some unintentionally funny lines,"

"OK at best, definitely not exceptional or amazing. Maybe "Halloween" fans will enjoy it more, perhaps Rob Zombie fans will as well. Who knows"

"The good news is that it doesn't completely suck. The bad news is that it isn't really good either."

all from review on AICN. and they echo others i've read on-line. i will probably see it - though i'm not a big RZ fan - but I still think it will be disappointing.