RIP Benoit

[Despare]

Just thought I'd post about the death of one of my favorite professional wrestlers, Chris Benoit. Say what you want about pro wrestling but he was a great worker and such a staple in wrestling in general... it's sad to see him go.

They're both gone now...

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c208/SJWeymouth/Eddie_Benoit-Champions.jpg

[bloody_ribcut]

so how did he die? wwe monday night raw was cancelled tonight, and it's in my city.

my brother heard benoit died with his wife on the radio and thats why the show stopped.

[Dante'sInferno]

I know.His family died too.Very sad story.I wish his surviving relatives the best.

[Despare]

so how did he die? wwe monday night raw was cancelled tonight, and it's in my city.

my brother heard benoit died with his wife on the radio and thats why the show stopped.

He, his wife, and his son were found dead in their homes. They're treating it as a homicide but they were not shot.

[bloody_ribcut]

would that happen to be in ohio?

[Despare]

would that happen to be in ohio?

Fayetville, GA

[Phalanx]

I'm not a wrestling fan, but from what I saw, he was a "fair" opponent, and a fucking hell of a professional...the stuff that he did made the majority look pretty poor by comparison...

So...they're assuming murder?

~R.I.P~

[yourlastmistake]

The latest I've heard is murder-suicide.

[_____V_____]

Police are treating it as murder-suicide till the autopsy reports come in.

First Eddie, now Benoit...damn this is saddening...:(

R.I.P. indeed. I will miss you.

[horrorobsessed]

when it came on at seven i was slicing potatoes and almost cut myself i was so shocked. i was kind of confused at first, but then shocked. also, McMahon is alive? really? i kind of had a gut feeling he wasn't dead, but it was just a feeling. i was truly saddened.

R.I.P.
Chris Benoit
&
family

[Despare]

when it came on at seven i was slicing potatoes and almost cut myself i was so shocked. i was kind of confused at first, but then shocked. also, McMahon is alive? really? i kind of had a gut feeling he wasn't dead, but it was just a feeling. i was truly saddened.

R.I.P.
Chris Benoit
&
family

Obviously that McMahon thing was a work. They almost cancled it because of Sheri's death actually. I guess a fake death is a bad idea considering three former wrestlers died within weeks of the angle. Benoit, his wife who was "Woman" with the 4 Horsemen, and Sensational Sheri. That's three...

[The STE]

and Beef Wellington makes 4

[GorePhobia]

I'm in shock.

He probably killed them because he was drafted to ECW.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

he probably faked his death.

[_____V_____]

Its possible.

I was thinkin more in the lines of maybe the WWE is using a drug which induces high testosterone in the blood streams of their wrestlers, which might have some serious psychotic side-effects...

...that is, because Eddie died of heart failure cuz of drugs (narcotic painkillers) and Benoit killed his family before killing himself (if he did that).

Just a thought...how come Eddie was in such severe pain that he needed those high powered painkillers prior to his death?

[bwind22]

This is sad. I'm a wrestling fan, but was never really a Benoit fan although you can't help but respect the guy's work ethic. It's a shame. Here's the latest as I just caught it on the news about an hour ago...

They think his wife died on Saturday, the kid died on Sunday and Chris died on Monday. Also, there were no stab or gun wounds on any of the bodies, however the cops are saying the "instrument of death" was found in the home & apparently the kid & mom had been coughing up blood at some point.


V, they are all on heavy painkillers. Getting hit in the head with chairs & thrown through tables, not to mention just the routine beatings they inflict on each other, week in and week out year after year would wear on a body after a while. A LOT of wrestlers (from all companies) die very young (30s or 40s) from painkiller overdose. That's not uncommon at all.

This Chris Benoit thing however, is utterly baffling because all indications are that he was a pretty regular guy that always treated his fans great, loved his family and worked really hard in & out of the ring. If he is responsible like they are speculating, it would be 100% out of character for a guy like him to do something of this nature.

[Roderick Usher]

I have no sympathy for a fucking scumbag who murders his wife and kid.

[bloody_ribcut]

did he kill them?

**he did.

[bwind22]

Wow, the details are starting to emerge....

I wonder what drove such a seemingly normal dude to such atrocities... If it was only his wife, I'd think perhaps it was a crime of passion or something along those lines, but a crime like that usually wouldn't involve a child. What would possess him to kill the kid? What the fuck?

Here's the latest.




FAYETTEVILLE, Ga. (AP) -- Pro wrestler Chris Benoit canceled a pay-per-view appearance at the "Vengeance" event in Houston because of "personal reasons" a day before he, his wife and their 7-year-old son were found dead in an apparent murder-suicide.

Details of the deaths "are going to prove a little bizarre" when released to the public, Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. A law enforcement official close to the investigation told The Associated Press that Benoit strangled his wife and smothered his son before hanging himself in his weight room.

Autopsies were scheduled Tuesday by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

Authorities were investigating the deaths at a secluded Fayette County home as a murder-suicide and were not seeking any suspects.

Investigators believe Benoit (pronounced ben-WAH) killed his wife, 43-year-old Nancy, and son Daniel during the weekend and then himself Monday. The bodies were found Monday afternoon in three separate rooms of the house, off a gravel road about two miles from the Whitewater Country Club.

Ballard told The Associated Press a gun was not used in any of the deaths, but he would not say how the three died.

"We're pretty sure we know, but we want to confirm it with the crime lab," Ballard said early Tuesday.

Fayette County Coroner C.J. Mowell did not return calls seeking comment. The answering service for his funeral home said he was out of town.

Authorities also declined to say whether drugs or steroids were found inside the house. "We're not releasing any information as far as what was located inside the house," sheriff's Sgt. Keith Whiteside said Tuesday.

Asked about the condition of the interior of the house, Whiteside said investigators found "nothing really out of the ordinary." He said Benoit was found in the home's weight room, his wife in an office and the son in an upstairs bedroom.

Whiteside said toxicology tests could take up to a week or longer to complete.

Neighbors said the Benoits led a low-key lifestyle.

"They were nice," said Lorre Jones, who lives across the street. Her daughter Alaina said: "We would see Chris walking in his yard from time to time. He wasn't rude, but he wasn't really outwardly warm."

Jimmy Baswell, who was Benoit's driver for more than five years, placed a white wreath at the Benoits' gate Tuesday.

"I saw him with his family all the time," said Baswell. "They always seemed like they were the happiest people."

World Wrestling Entertainment said on its Web site that it asked authorities to check on Benoit and his family after being alerted by friends who received "several curious text messages sent by Benoit early Sunday morning."

The WWE, based in Stamford, Conn., said it had been asked by authorities not to release further information on the deaths.

Benoit, born in Montreal, was a former world heavyweight champion, Intercontinental champion and held several tag-team titles. His names in the ring included "The Canadian Crippler."

"WWE extends its sincerest thoughts and prayers to the Benoit family's relatives and loved ones in this time of tragedy," the company said in a statement on its Web site.

Benoit had maintained a home in metro Atlanta from the time he wrestled for the defunct World Championship Wrestling. The Fayette County Tax Assessors Office lists the value of the house, situated on more than 8.5 acres, at nearly $900,000.

The WWE canceled its live Monday Night RAW card in Corpus Christi, Texas, and USA Network aired a three-hour tribute to Benoit in place of the scheduled wrestling telecast.

Benoit's wife managed several wrestlers and went by the stage name "Woman." They met when her then-husband drew up a script that had them involved in a relationship as part of a story line on World Championship Wrestling, the newspaper said.

Benoit has two other children from a prior relationship.

Benoit became a standout at an early age among wrestling prospects who trained in the dungeon basement of the house where fellow Canadians and professional wrestlers Owen and Bret Hart trained. Owen Hart was killed during a wrestling event in 1999.

"He was like a family member to me, and everyone in my family is taking it real hard," said Bret Hart, a five-time champion with the World Wrestling Federation. The federation has since changed its name to World Wrestling Entertainment.

[Roderick Usher]

ATLANTA (AP) - A law enforcement official says Canadian pro wrestler Chris Benoit strangled his wife and smothered his son before hanging himself in his weight room.

Speaking to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity, the official also says authorities are investigating whether steroids may have been a factor in the deaths.




A HUGE man who makes his living beating up other huge men strangled and smothered a woman and a child...what a pathetic, cowardly act.

[_____V_____]

I knew they were into painkillers and stuff, and maybe those involved in the steel cage matches and anything goes matches took powerful ones.

What I am thinking, is that some of these wrestlers have drug habits also. Eddie sure did drugs a lot. And the drugs combined with the medication and steroids these testostrone-adrenalin pumpers took...who knows what kind of things it induced in the body AND in the brain chells?

I am not surprised he killed em.

R.I.P. his son and wife.

For Benoit...that was a cowardly act you did, mofo.:rolleyes:

[the_real_linda]

i cant believe this.... i just read it on wwe.com and thought it was a stunt at first like vince's death.... this is serious??? im dumb struck

[Roderick Usher]

it's real

He strangled his wife on Friday, but didn't smother the kid until the following day. So it's likely his child had the horror of knowing his mother was dead before being murdered himself.

Nice family weekend together

[jenna26]

So some of the details have been confirmed. This is awful, I didn't even know who the guy was, honestly. I heard about this last night, and my husband told me a little about him. This happened in my hometown (I lived in Fayetteville, GA until the end of December).

Hard to have sympathy for him, when there was an innocent child involved. Its one thing to kill yourself, but to take the people you are supposed to love and protect is abhorrent.

May they rest in peace.

[hammerfan]

AP: Benoit Strangled Wife, Smothered Son
By GREG BLUESTEIN, Associated Press Writer
50 minutes ago


In this undated photo released by World Wrestling Entertainment, ...
ATLANTA - Pro wrestler Chris Benoit strangled his wife and smothered his son before hanging himself in his weight room, a law enforcement official close to the investigation told The Associated Press on Tuesday.

Authorities also said they are investigating whether steroids may have been a factor in the deaths of Benoit, his wife and their 7-year-old son. Steroid abuse has been linked to depression, paranoia, and aggressive behavior or angry outbursts known as "roid rage."

"We don't know yet. That's one of the things we'll be looking at," said Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard. He said test results may not be back for weeks.

Autopsies were scheduled Tuesday by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

Authorities were investigating the deaths at a secluded Fayette County home as a murder-suicide and were not seeking any suspects. The official who described the manner of death spoke on the condition of anonymity because the information was to be released at a news conference later Tuesday.

Investigators believe Benoit (pronounced ben-WAH) killed his wife, 43-year-old Nancy, and son Daniel during the weekend and then himself Monday. The bodies were found Monday afternoon in three separate rooms of the house, off a gravel road about two miles from the Whitewater Country Club.

Fayette County Coroner C.J. Mowell did not return calls seeking comment. The answering service for his funeral home said he was out of town.

Asked about the condition of the interior of the house, sheriff's Sgt. Keith Whiteside said investigators found "nothing really out of the ordinary." He said Benoit was found in the home's weight room, his wife in an office and the son in an upstairs bedroom.

Neighbors said the Benoits led a low-key lifestyle.

"We would see Chris walking in his yard from time to time. He wasn't rude, but he wasn't really outwardly warm," said Alaina Jones, who lives across the street.

Jimmy Baswell, who was Benoit's driver for more than five years, placed a white wreath at the Benoits' gate. "They always seemed like they were the happiest people," he said.

World Wrestling Entertainment said on its Web site that it asked authorities to check on Benoit and his family after being alerted by friends who received "several curious text messages sent by Benoit early Sunday morning."

The WWE, based in Stamford, Conn., said authorities asked that it not release further information on the deaths.

Benoit, born in Montreal, was a former world heavyweight champion, Intercontinental champion and held several tag-team titles. His names in the ring included "The Canadian Crippler."

"WWE extends its sincerest thoughts and prayers to the Benoit family's relatives and loved ones in this time of tragedy," the company said in a statement on its Web site.

"He was like a family member to me, and everyone in my family is taking it real hard," said fellow Canadian Bret Hart, a five-time champion with the World Wrestling Federation. The federation has since changed its name to World Wrestling Entertainment.

Benoit had maintained a home in metro Atlanta from the time he wrestled for the defunct World Championship Wrestling. The Fayette County Tax Assessors Office lists the value of the house, situated on more than 8.5 acres, at nearly $900,000.

The WWE canceled its live "Monday Night RAW" card in Corpus Christi, Texas, and USA Network aired a three-hour tribute to Benoit in place of the scheduled wrestling telecast.

Benoit's wife managed several wrestlers and went by the stage name "Woman." They met when her then-husband drew up a script that had them involved in a relationship as part of a story line on World Championship Wrestling, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported.

Benoit has two other children from a prior relationship.

[bloody_ribcut]

my mom said him and eddie were gay lovers and when eddie died chris lost it.

[AmericanManiac]

IMO if you take somebody's life on purpose, you should not rip, I hope the fucker burns in hell.

[Despare]

Eddie's death came from a past that he escaped from though (the drugs he did in the past weakened his heart and the painkillers were too much for him)... it was a sad thing. With Benoit... I'll wait until all the details are released an confirmed but it's a sick thing he did. One report says he may have watched the PPV with his son and then killed his son. Terrible...

[missmacabre]

I didn't even read this until today. Yesterday I heard about it and just thought it was fake. wrestling is like that and all. It's really too bad when stuff like this happens and putting it out there publicly just makes it worse.

[Fred Krueger]

I wonder how WWE's PR people feel right about now, doing a 3 hour tribute show for a murderer. I couldn't believe it when i heard they determined it was murder suicide. Just goes to show that anything can happen. I'd say we can pretty much guarantee it was drug related somehow.

[the_real_linda]

yeah i couldnt figure the tribute, but i guess they didnt know the info at the time, i just cant get my head around it, just with it being someone i watched for years and really loved as a wrestler. its so weird, and trying to explain to my sister is awkward, she thinks its a stunt like vince at the moment, guess ill have to tell her in the morning.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

I wonder how WWE's PR people feel right about now, doing a 3 hour tribute show for a murderer.

LMAO...........

[Despare]

I wonder how WWE's PR people feel right about now, doing a 3 hour tribute show for a murderer. I couldn't believe it when i heard they determined it was murder suicide. Just goes to show that anything can happen. I'd say we can pretty much guarantee it was drug related somehow.

I wonder how they'll react to it. Will they not let him be inducted into the hall of fame? Will they just try to erase him? We'll see I guess, sick thing to do that's for sure.

my mom said him and eddie were gay lovers and when eddie died chris lost it.

Your mom's an idiot.



Benoit sent some weird txts to his co-workers...

Text Message 1 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:53am)- Chris Benoit’s cell phone
“My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane, Fayetteville Georgia. 30215”

Text Message 2 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:53am)- Chris Benoit’s cell phone
“The dogs are in the enclosed pool area. Garage side door is open”

Text Message 3 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:54am)- Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
“My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane.
Fayetteville Georgia. 30215”

Text Message 4 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:55am)- Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
“My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane.
Fayetteville Georgia. 30215"

Text Message 5 to one co-worker (sent 6/24 at 3:58am)- Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
“My address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215”

[The STE]

It's a horrible, horrible thing, although I am of the opinion that the police are just putting out their best guess (because they have to say something), and we'll never know 100% what happened. But no matter what happened, 3 people are dead, and it's a damn shame. It'll probably be a while before I go watching any Chris Benoit matches.

[AmericanManiac]

A message from the Chairman
Written: June 26, 2007The following message from Vince McMahon aired at the beginning of Tuesday's ECW on Sci Fi:

Last night on Monday Night Raw, the WWE presented a special tribute show, recognizing the career of Chris Benoit. However, now some 26 hours later, the facts of this horrific tragedy are now apparent. Therefore, other than my comments, there will be no mention of Mr. Benoit tonight. On the contrary, tonight's show will be dedicated to everyone who has been affected by this terrible incident. This evening marks the first step of the healing process. Tonight, the WWE performers will do what they do better than anyone else in the world – entertain you.

Watch (http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/none/2007/june22-28/4967786) Vince McMahon's message.

[bwind22]

I saw that. Vince basically revoked the tribute last night.

You can't blame WWE for running a tribute show though. They do that when any of their wrestlers die in their prime & at the time they ran it, the details of the tragedy had not been made public knowledge so they should not be looked down upon for it. Once the details surfaced, they stopped honoring him immediately (They even took the tribute off their website.) and then at the earliest possible chance (last night on tv), Vince came out and made the statement listed above.

[bwind22]

Also, the kid was smothered while he was sleeping. I can't imagine a 7 year old kid being able to sleep if he knew his dad murdered his mom. My guess would be the kid didn't know anything was up.

[newb]

Very tragic indeed.

[Fred Krueger]

I'm glad to see vince made that message, and i would imagine they will not induct Benoit into the hall of fame. It's poor taste in my opinion to do so, the murders erase whatever accomplishments he had in my eyes.

[bwind22]

Agreed. He completely destroyed the legacy he had spent the last 30-40 years building with 1 heinous act (I guess technically 2 heinous acts) of violence.

[swiss tony]

i have more chance of making it into their hall of fame. here's my tribute to benoit - you're a fucking piece of shit!:mad:

[stubbornforgey]

Its sad to say the least ..but the ppl who should be hanging thier heads in shame are the wrestling confederation and the fans.
He took steroids to perform and to keep his body all muscled toned and strong for his them.
This is whatr happens when thousands of ppl sit and cheer for an unkown guy becos hes deemed a good guy in the ring..
Well fuckit..!!he peformed like the circus clown u all made him out to be and he suffered..through depression..trying to keep up with the demand.
and who always ends up paying the price..
the wife and kids and the fallen hero himself.
So what do his many fans do ..??sit there and go tsk tsk tsk.

[Despare]

At least wait for the tox report... I wouldn't think "roid rage" would last over a whole weekend. It didn't seem like a rage, it seemed more calculated. Nowitski was trying to get them to check some tissues in his brain which could have been damaged due to the constant abuse he took, a similar condition caused an ex NFL player to commit suicide. Either way, I applaud and celebrate the wrestler while for the moment I have nothing but disdain for the man's actions. As for you Stubbs... so we should have no physical entertainment? Does that mean we should all stop watching sports, wrestling, UFC, and anything that demands that a person be in top physical shape? You blame the fans?? He wasn't a powerhouse or a brawler, he didn't NEED to be big to be the great technician that he was. What about actors? They get paid craploads of money and a lot of times fall victim to drugs, is that our fault? Is it the fans fault that Chris Farley, River Pheonix, or John Belushi died? What about Janis Joplin, Bradley Nowell... the list goes on and on. How about you blame yourself while the rest of us blame the man who KILLED HIS FAMILY. My opinoin is he was still a good man until the end. He did a lot for kids and a lot for chairty. His wife and him were probably arguing and he accidently killed her, didn't think he could handle a mentally retarded child by himself but didn't want his kid to grow up without parents so he killed his son and himself. If he hadn't killed himself he'd go through a long trial, get put in a posh prison for the rich, and probably get out early. Personally I hope Nowinski is right.



"Nowinski is trying to persuade the coroner to allow a brain exam to look for neurofibrillary tangles in the brain's cortex. This has been refused in the past; however Nowinski has previously been able to link the suicide of NFL defensive back Andre Waters to concussion induced depression based on forensic work done on Waters' brain matter. "Part of me hopes there was something wrong with his brain," Nowinski told the Times. "The Chris Benoit I knew was always more concerned about everybody else's well-being than his own.""

[Dee Hart]

From what the news has been saying he used a wrestling hold on his
7 year old son Daniel in his bedrom ( the crippler crossface and strangled
him), he was also mentally retarded and had been giving him some kind
of growth shots, there was needle marks on his arms. his wife's
hands and feet were tied together and she was strangled, she was in
the den or family room, and he hung himself on his weight set in the
basement. they said he killed his little boy on friday, his wife on saturday
and killed himself on sunday, they were found on monday. they said he
text messaged someone from the WWE but don't know who, and said
his family had gotten food poisoned, and his son was spitting up
blood, and the pets were inside and sick. so I don't get these people,
I just don't understand. I just wonder what some of his wrestling friends
(ric flair, arn anderson, dean malenko, edge, chavo guerro, some that he
was the closest to are thinking now). it's just horrible. so anything esle
going on.

[Dante'sInferno]

There was something about Chris that would always creep me out.

[Fred Krueger]

I'd like to see the article that said he used the Crippler Crossface on his son. Fox News? lol That's a load of bull. He suffocated him is all i heard.

There are still people supporting this guy after what he did, blaming the fans and steroids and anything else. The fact is, he went f'ing crazy. No drug induced rage would last over two days, and since he killed his wife and son on seperate days I'd say they need to look deeper. I suppose he was probably depressed. Boo hoo, my poor $900 000 home.

[Despare]

I'd like to see the article that said he used the Crippler Crossface on his son. Fox News? lol That's a load of bull. He suffocated him is all i heard.

There are still people supporting this guy after what he did, blaming the fans and steroids and anything else. The fact is, he went f'ing crazy. No drug induced rage would last over two days, and since he killed his wife and son on seperate days I'd say they need to look deeper. I suppose he was probably depressed. Boo hoo, my poor $900 000 home.

The article said there were no bruises on his son's neck and he "may have used a chokehold". There's no evidence and they were NOT talking about the Crippler Crossface (the crossface if used as a real move would cause a lot of trauma to the neck and could dislocate an arm easily). The article also cites the fact that he visited his doctor just before the weekend and had been fighting with his wife about the care and education of their son. Just more speculation...

Since we're just throwing out random crap: Chavo did it for the push, taking out Eddie didn't work and if this doesn't Rey's next...

[bwind22]

Its sad to say the least ..but the ppl who should be hanging thier heads in shame are the wrestling confederation and the fans.
He took steroids to perform and to keep his body all muscled toned and strong for his them.
This is whatr happens when thousands of ppl sit and cheer for an unkown guy becos hes deemed a good guy in the ring..
Well fuckit..!!he peformed like the circus clown u all made him out to be and he suffered..through depression..trying to keep up with the demand.
and who always ends up paying the price..
the wife and kids and the fallen hero himself.
So what do his many fans do ..??sit there and go tsk tsk tsk.

I don't think that's a very fair assessment at all. WWE issues random drug tests to it's wrestlers and none of the fans were telling him to put drugs in his body (If that turns out to be the case). The anabolic steroids found in the home were for his son, who had physical disabilities and needed growth hormones. Benoit passed a drug test issued by WWE in April of 07.

If he performed like a circus clown, it certainly wasn't any one of the fans that was making him do it. It was his own desire to entertain. How can the blame be turned to the employer (that issues drug tests) or the fans (that simply enjoy the show)? This dude murdered his wife & kid on his own. The fans and the WWE had absolutely nothing to do with that.

[newb]

I don't think that's a very fair assessment at all. WWE issues random drug tests to it's wrestlers and none of the fans were telling him to put drugs in his body (If that turns out to be the case). The anabolic steroids found in the home were for his son, who had physical disabilities and needde growth hormones. Benoit passed a drug test issued by WWE in April of 07.

If he performed like a circus clown, it certainly wasn't any one of the fans that was making him do it. It was his own desire to entertain. How can the blame be turned to the employer (that issues drug tests) or the fans (that simply enjoy the show)? This dude murdered his wife & kid on his own. The fans and the WWE had absolutely nothing to do with that.

Very well said B.

[Roderick Usher]

too soon for jokes?
I'm kind of shocked I haven't heard any yet...and they're bound to be really unnerving.

[_____V_____]

I still stand by my theory of earlier. I bet Benoit and Eddie (best friends?) were into drugs, and that combined with the narcotic painkillers and steroids which these guys took...had some drastic effects on their brain cells.

In Eddie's case, he was dead by heart failure, you might argue. But before that he tended to stay depressed for long periods of time (according to his wife and brother). In Benoit's case, (a more stronger and heftier body than Eddie) it caused him to snap!

Of course the fights with his wife (if they happened), the mentally-retarded son...all of it added to his murdering moments. He wasnt doing that great in the ring recently also, so he might also be going through severe depression.

Interestingly, drug habits do tend to make people suicidal. We got plenty of examples there, most recent being Lindsay Lohan who's in rehab now. This must be the first time such stuff has resulted in cold-blooded, calculated murder, that too of one's own family.

I wont say anything in reply to what stubbs said above. Despare & bw covered all the points nicely for me.

[bwind22]

Eddie was clean for a couple years before he died, but he had done SO many drugs when he was taking them that the toll on his body turned out to be irreversible.

Benoit bulked up a TON in years since WCW to where he was at last week. I would not be surprised 1 bit if he took steroids at some point in his career possibly right up until the end (although he passed the WWE drug test in April 07), but I heard a doctor and a criminologist on one of those news programs and they were both saying how this didn't seem like a case of 'roid rage' at all. They were in total agreement that the murder seemed far to planned out & calculated to have even been done in any kind of rage at all.

It will be VERY interesting to see what comes back in his toxicology reports.

[massacre man]

He referenced the pets in the garage, just curious, did he kill them too?

[Shazbut]

Do any fits of *madness* make sense? By making the assumption that everything appeared calculated and pre-meditated doesnt necessarily mean that Benoit (if he did it?) callously pre-thought his actions.

We dont know what was going on in his head.

We dont know any of the facts at the moment - and may never know. Forensics and police will have to make informed judgements based on evidence found and autopsy results - but may never know the real truth.

The media, especially newspapers, have a tendancy to make things up as they go along - to make the story *spicier*, *sicker*, *more exciting* - when really some guy went totally nuts (whether it was mental health, physical health or emotional wellbeing in general that went into overdrive) and killed his family and then himself - if he did do it.

Innocent until proven guilty.

And as for calling someone a coward when they commit suicide after apparently killing wife and son - we dont *KNOW* how he felt - HOW?? How do we *KNOW* what was going through his mind? We dont. The torment must have been unbelievable to have resorted to such a terrible and tragic crime.

Please stop surmising until you are aware of the truth - then make your judgements.

Hope they all rest in peace - ALL of them! And bless the families that are still alive and have to go through the pain of grief, loss and shock.

[Papillon Noir]

Wow! I'm just hearing about this. It's pretty messed up. Reminds me of when Phil Hartman got shot and killed by his wife who then shot herself. That was pretty out of the blue too.

[Despare]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287194,00.html


Seems like Benoit's wife was repoted dead to wikipedia 13 hours before police found the body!? Weird...

"To make the situation even more chilling the IP address was traced to Stamford, Connecticut, which is of course, is where the headquarters of World Wrestling Entertainment is located. We should note that anything that is posted on Wikipedia records a users IP address, time, and what exactly was written on the web site, so this wouldn't have been a case of a hoax."

[swiss tony]

[QUOTE=bwind22;612979]

Benoit bulked up a TON in years since WCW to where he was at last week. I would not be surprised 1 bit if he took steroids at some point in his career possibly right up until the end (although he passed the WWE drug test in April 07),




does the WWE test to make sure you are taking steroids or that you aren't and do they fine you if you aren't? you get my point.

[paws the great]

[QUOTE=bwind22;612979]




does the WWE test to make sure you are taking steroids or that you aren't and do they fine you if you aren't? you get my point.

The WWE is entertainment.Chances are they supply the steroids!:eek:

[swiss tony]

[QUOTE=swiss tony;613099]

The WWE is entertainment.Chances are they supply the steroids!:eek:

lol!:D.their agents probably negotiate them into their contracts.

[bwind22]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287194,00.html


Seems like Benoit's wife was repoted dead to wikipedia 13 hours before police found the body!? Weird...

"To make the situation even more chilling the IP address was traced to Stamford, Connecticut, which is of course, is where the headquarters of World Wrestling Entertainment is located. We should note that anything that is posted on Wikipedia records a users IP address, time, and what exactly was written on the web site, so this wouldn't have been a case of a hoax."

Yeah, I heard about that. It's very interesting, but apparently WWE HQ was the first thing the cops looked in to & it wasn't from there. It still could have been from a WWE employee using their laptop anywhere in the world though, maybe even Chris Benoit himself. If it wasn't Benoit that did it (Which I doubt he did. I'm sure editing his wikipedia entry was just about the last thing on his mind while in the midst of killing his family.), then he told someone about it and that person never told the cops. It'll be REALLY interesting to see where that leads because it's like a whole new layer to this already baffling case.

[bwind22]

Do any fits of *madness* make sense? By making the assumption that everything appeared calculated and pre-meditated doesnt necessarily mean that Benoit (if he did it?) callously pre-thought his actions.

We dont know what was going on in his head.

We dont know any of the facts at the moment - and may never know. Forensics and police will have to make informed judgements based on evidence found and autopsy results - but may never know the real truth.

The media, especially newspapers, have a tendancy to make things up as they go along - to make the story *spicier*, *sicker*, *more exciting* - when really some guy went totally nuts (whether it was mental health, physical health or emotional wellbeing in general that went into overdrive) and killed his family and then himself - if he did do it.

Innocent until proven guilty.

And as for calling someone a coward when they commit suicide after apparently killing wife and son - we dont *KNOW* how he felt - HOW?? How do we *KNOW* what was going through his mind? We dont. The torment must have been unbelievable to have resorted to such a terrible and tragic crime.

Please stop surmising until you are aware of the truth - then make your judgements.

Hope they all rest in peace - ALL of them! And bless the families that are still alive and have to go through the pain of grief, loss and shock.

A calculated double homicide that takes place over the course of an entire weekend is not rage. Insanity? Maybe. Psychopathic? Sure. But not rage.

Why do you keep acting like he may not have done it? He did it. He was in the house sending text messages from his & her phones to co-workers AFTER she was dead. The only questions left are why he did and what caused him to snap.

And as for innocent until proven guilty... That really only works for the living. He's dead so he'll never stand trial. All we have to go on are the facts & what the cops say about it & both, the facts & the cops, are saying he did it.

Suicide is a cowardly act. Period. It doesn't matter what circumstances lead to it, in my eyes, it's still a coward's way out of dealing with the consequences of one's actions.

[mordrid]

Bwind, the reason some people are still doubting Beniot's involvement is because recently comments about Nancy's ex husband Kevin Sullivan who had a close relationship with Sherri Martel who showed up dead two weeks ago. Two deaths of two women who had relationships with Sullivan brought out some conspiracy theorists.

[Shazbut]

A calculated double homicide that takes place over the course of an entire weekend is not rage. Insanity? Maybe. Psychopathic? Sure. But not rage.

Why do you keep acting like he may not have done it? He did it. He was in the house sending text messages from his & her phones to co-workers AFTER she was dead. The only questions left are why he did and what caused him to snap.

And as for innocent until proven guilty... That really only works for the living. He's dead so he'll never stand trial. All we have to go on are the facts & what the cops say about it & both, the facts & the cops, are saying he did it.

Suicide is a cowardly act. Period. It doesn't matter what circumstances lead to it, in my eyes, it's still a coward's way out of dealing with the consequences of one's actions.


Firstly, I didnt mention the word rage once.

Secondly, regardless if the man is dead or not - he either killed his family or he didnt. Just because he is now dead, doesnt mean he can be blamed for something he didnt necessarily do. It appears he did do it, but as none of us really *know* anything at the moment - only snippets of news on tv and in the papers, how can we make defined judgements?

Thirdly, it is YOUR opinion that suicide is a cowardly act. It is also your prerogative to believe he committed suicide because of the purported crime - but how do you KNOW that? You cant - it is an assumption.

Lastly, you have YOUR opinions (quote, "in my eyes" unquote), I have MINE - we should respect both whether we agree or not.

[Shazbut]

Bwind, the reason some people are still doubting Beniot's involvement is because recently comments about Nancy's ex husband Kevin Sullivan who had a close relationship with Sherri Martel who showed up dead two weeks ago. Two deaths of two women who had relationships with Sullivan brought out some conspiracy theorists.

I'm not one of the c. theorists on this story. Anything else, maybe, but not this. I just had an opinion, 'tis all! :p

[Despare]

Yeah, I heard about that. It's very interesting, but apparently WWE HQ was the first thing the cops looked in to & it wasn't from there. It still could have been from a WWE employee using their laptop anywhere in the world though, maybe even Chris Benoit himself. If it wasn't Benoit that did it (Which I doubt he did. I'm sure editing his wikipedia entry was just about the last thing on his mind while in the midst of killing his family.), then he told someone about it and that person never told the cops. It'll be REALLY interesting to see where that leads because it's like a whole new layer to this already baffling case.

Some guy "came forward" and said that it was a coincidence, it all stinks if you ask me. He lives in Stamford but isn't part of the WWE... that also was just coincidence. Ah well, we'll never know why Chris did it or if anybody else had a hand in it (even as far as pushing him to it) IMO. He was a great entertainer, I'll miss his work, and I wish he hadn't lost his mind.

[massacre man]

Maybe it was because of Eddie, there was a video from the tribute they aired for Eddie, Chris talked about how Eddie was the only guy he could pour his heart out to and said that Eddie would always "talk him out of it" though he didn't specify what "it" was. Maybe it was because he didn't have his best friend around to help him.

I sound like a 12 year old, don't I?

[bwind22]

Firstly, I didnt mention the word rage once.

Sorry, I thought you were saying "fit of madness" in place of roid rage.

Secondly, regardless if the man is dead or not - he either killed his family or he didnt. Just because he is now dead, doesnt mean he can be blamed for something he didnt necessarily do. It appears he did do it, but as none of us really *know* anything at the moment - only snippets of news on tv and in the papers, how can we make defined judgements?

Ugh, the police investigating the crime have come right out and said that he killed them. It's as close to a fact as it'll ever be.

Thirdly, it is YOUR opinion that suicide is a cowardly act.

No shit it's my opinion. Who else's would it be? Anyone that commits suicide is afraid to face something in their life. They are SO afraid (or unwilling) to deal with something that they take the easy route of not having to deal with it at all ever. That's a cowardly act in my book.

It is also your prerogative to believe he committed suicide because of the purported crime - but how do you KNOW that? You cant - it is an assumption.

What is it with you? No, I didn't go in his house & look for myself to see that he hung himself, but I did watch the police that went in his house to see for themselves give a press conference and tell me that's what he did.

Did you actually SEE his body? Maybe he's not even really dead! We are all just assuming that too right? Since none of us have seen the body? :rolleyes:

Lastly, you have YOUR opinions (quote, "in my eyes" unquote), I have MINE - we should respect both whether we agree or not.

I wrote "in my eyes" explicitly to illustrate that it was my opinion. I know that I have my opinion & I know that you have yours. Yours is just a little bit hard for me to digest because it's like you are just playing devil's advocate by refuting the few bits of commonly-accepted-as-true information that there are in this puzzling case.

[swiss tony]

most suicides are cause the individual has weighed it up and determined that the pain of death couldn't be as bad as the pain of life. how cowardly he was is irrelevant. it's how evil and selfish he was that's the big issue. killing his handicapped child? despicable.

[Shazbut]

Sorry, I thought you were saying "fit of madness" in place of roid rage.



Ugh, the police investigating the crime have come right out and said that he killed them. It's as close to a fact as it'll ever be.



No shit it's my opinion. Who else's would it be? Anyone that commits suicide is afraid to face something in their life. They are SO afraid (or unwilling) to deal with something that they take the easy route of not having to deal with it at all ever. That's a cowardly act in my book.



What is it with you? No, I didn't go in his house & look for myself to see that he hung himself, but I did watch the police that went in his house to see for themselves give a press conference and tell me that's what he did.

Did you actually SEE his body? Maybe he's not even really dead! We are all just assuming that too right? Since none of us have seen the body? :rolleyes:



I wrote "in my eyes" explicitly to illustrate that it was my opinion. I know that I have my opinion & I know that you have yours. Yours is just a little bit hard for me to digest because it's like you are just playing devil's advocate by refuting the few bits of commonly-accepted-as-true information that there are in this puzzling case.


Saying it was roid rage is an assumption.

With it being YOUR opinion, I simply highlighted that I had an opinion too but got negated for it. That makes you a bigot.

What the shit you being so sarcastic for? Cos I have an opinion too? Did I get riled up with you because of your opinion? NO, I did not.

Again, your opinion about suicide is your opinion and I have mine on it - our opinions differ - so again, cut the bigotry, yeah?

If you wish to have a one-sided debate on it, I am sure there is a mirror in your home!

[Shazbut]

Maybe it was because of Eddie, there was a video from the tribute they aired for Eddie, Chris talked about how Eddie was the only guy he could pour his heart out to and said that Eddie would always "talk him out of it" though he didn't specify what "it" was. Maybe it was because he didn't have his best friend around to help him.

I sound like a 12 year old, don't I?

No, you sound like an empathetic person to me - and that's a good thing :)

[Shazbut]

most suicides are cause the individual has weighed it up and determined that the pain of death couldn't be as bad as the pain of life. how cowardly he was is irrelevant. it's how evil and selfish he was that's the big issue. killing his handicapped child? despicable.

Yes, I agree.

Despicable, terrible, tragic.

[bwind22]

Saying it was roid rage is an assumption.

And saying it was a fit of madness is not an assumption?

With it being YOUR opinion, I simply highlighted that I had an opinion too but got negated for it. That makes you a bigot.

The cops investigating the crime and stating it as a fact leads me to believe it's more than just my opinion. You are refuting the only bits of information that are widely accepted as truth.

And look up the definition of the word bigot. Having an opinion & speaking your mind does not make someone a bigot.

What the shit you being so sarcastic for? Cos I have an opinion too? Did I get riled up with you because of your opinion? NO, I did not.

The sarcasm was to point out your flawed logic. Obviously, you're still not getting it. None of us KNOW anything because none of us actually went in the house and saw for ourselves. The only way any of us know anything at all is from the what the cops have said about the case. So like I said... How do any of us even know he's dead? None of us have actually seen his body yet so by ackowledging he is dead, you are obviously taking the police & media's word to a certain extent.

And if your giant, bold "IN MY EYES' comment wasn't riled up, then I guess you need to work on your internet communication skills because that's most certainly how it came across.

Again, your opinion about suicide is your opinion and I have mine on it - our opinions differ - so again, cut the bigotry, yeah?

So you can have your opinion, but since mine is different, I am a bigot? haha. :rolleyes: Again, look up the definition of the word bigot before throwing it around so loosely. I call them as I see them and having known personally a half dozen people that have killed themselves, I can have an opinion on the subject. And if it differs from yours, guess what? That still doesn't mean I'm a bigot.

It should just go without saying that everything ANY of us write on here is our opinion. There should not be a need to put a disclaimer on each sentence we state in order to prevent someone from getting their panties in a bunch.

If you wish to have a one-sided debate on it, I am sure there is a mirror in your home!

I wish to have an intelligent debate, so I guess I'll just look elsewhere. Since you seem prone to refuting the only bits of info that are known about the case and calling me names like a teenager because my opinion differs from your own, it's obvious I won't find it here with you. :rolleyes:

[bwind22]

most suicides are cause the individual has weighed it up and determined that the pain of death couldn't be as bad as the pain of life. how cowardly he was is irrelevant. it's how evil and selfish he was that's the big issue. killing his handicapped child? despicable.

Exactly. In that case you mentioned, the person is afraid or unwilling to face the 'pain of life' so they choose not to. So afraid or unwilling that they do not take into consideration the efect their actions will have on their family, friends and loved ones. To me that's just about the cowardly thing a person can do.

[Shazbut]

alot which I didnt bother reading

Glad you got it off ya chest, whatever it was.

Hostile responses are something I do not consider as a healthy debate. And they were hostile because you negated my opinions.

You are welcome to your self-righteous attitude..... and I thank you for your patience and tolerance!!! <--- hey, I can do sarcasm too - yeeehaaaaaaaa!

[bwind22]

Glad you got it off ya chest, whatever it was.

What thread did you pull that quote out of?

Oh, you are right. I really do need to look up the definition of the word bigot before throwing it around so loosely.

^-------Hey, I can do quote fabrications too! - yeeeahhhaaaa!

Hostile responses are something I do not consider as a healthy debate. And they were hostile because you negated my opinions.

Hostile responses? Show me a hostile response I made to you in this thread. You are the one calling names like you're in high school, not me. And how can I negate your opinion? Did I change your mind or something? No, you still have your opinions, they are just different than mine and different than what the police investigating the crime's are.

You are welcome to your self-righteous attitude..... and I thank you for your patience and tolerance!!! <--- hey, I can do sarcasm too - yeeehaaaaaaaa!

Congratulations on your new skill learned. But actually, I have been quite patient and tolerant. If you'd like to see me impatient & intolerant, just let me know and it can be arranged.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

this thread sucks.

[crabapple]

It's a poo-nuts thread!

[Shazbut]

Yes, I agree totally.

I APOLOGISE TO BWIND22 - SORRY FOR BEING OVERLY SENSITIVE ON A SENSITIVE SUBJECT.

[Angra]

It's a poo-nuts thread!


:p


Why?

[corpse_grinder]

this thread sucks.

Then why did you reply to it?

[corpse_grinder]

Yes, I agree totally.

I APOLOGISE TO BWIND22 - SORRY FOR BEING OVERLY SENSITIVE ON A SENSITIVE SUBJECT.

you shouldnt aplogise, you seem to be an educated individual with their feet firmly on the ground..

[paws the great]

Then why did you reply to it?

Because it's her preogative.:)

[Shazbut]

you shouldnt aplogise, you seem to be an educated individual with their feet firmly on the ground..

Sometimes an apology is the only way to diffuse a situation. I care about things like that - it's the way I am!

But thank you..... it's very much appreciated. :)

[crabapple]

This is no longer a poo-nuts thread.

[corpse_grinder]

Because it's her preogative.:)

Well in that case Ill make it my preogative to say her reply was a negative :p :p :D

[corpse_grinder]

This is no longer a poo-nuts thread.

:D :D :D :D :D

[corpse_grinder]

Sometimes an apology is the only way to diffuse a situation. I care about things like that - it's the way I am!

But thank you..... it's very much appreciated. :)

you just proved my point :D