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phantomstranger
06-14-2007, 03:04 PM
An interesting article from a recent Los Angeles Times:






The body count is piling up in Hollywood, but unfortunately not all the cadavers are on screen.

Call it a market correction. Call it a slump. Call it audience fatigue with a subpar rash of crazed killers, wanton vampires and jiggling coeds, but horror, one of Hollywood's enduring staples, is tanking.

Consider the numbers. Last year, the studios released 23 horror movies. This year the tally will be 42, nearly double, and too often the take at the box office has been anemic, leaving studios and distributors with lots of red ink gushing through the bottom line.

Remember "The Reaping," which featured double-Oscar winner Hilary Swank as a professor tormented by the return of the Bible's 10 plagues? The film landed in theaters in April, at an official cost of $40 million, though studio sources say it was closer to $65 million. Thus far it has captured only $25 million in U.S. ticket sales. Then there is the slew of clones and sequels with such titles as "The Hitcher," "Dead Silence," "The Hills Have Eyes II," and "28 Weeks Later." At the box office, they've all underperformed, none topping $30 million. "Snoop Dogg's Hood of Horror" was a real runt of the litter, earning just $25,900.

Even "gorno" — the torture-porn-horror flicks that power the "Saw" and "Hostel" franchises — has moved from merely alienating those consumers who hate the marketing to snuffing out its target audience. The reason? Gore burnout. Case in point: "Hostel: Part II," which opened Friday. It is already showing signs that it will make significantly less than the $19 million than its predecessor nabbed last year in its opening weekend.

So has the horror bubble burst?

Those who traffic in mayhem insist not, though almost everyone admits that this year's crowded market, filled with horror retreads, has left splatter fans unimpressed.

"There became a glut of so many horror movies, and I think the audience is oversaturated," says Dimension Co-Chairman Bob Weinstein, who launched the horror film craze with the satiric slasher flick "Scream." "Sometimes the industry has the habit of making the same movies over and over again."

Moreover, topping the last thrill is intrinsically hard. "There's nothing you can do to a human being on screen that is taboo anymore," says Oscar-winning writer-producer Akiva Goldsman. "Over and over again, people are breaking the boundaries of the body, hurting people, chopping people up, ravaging people…. For things to be truly scary, we're going to have to find new boundaries to tread on."

Undeniably, horror, one of cinema's most enduring genres, is having a spiritual crisis. Once the playground of such iconic directors as Alfred Hitchcock, Stanley Kubrick, Steven Spielberg and Ridley Scott, the genre has gone way down-market. Not that it's mattered much to the businesspeople who run Hollywood. Ever since 1996, when "Scream" snagged $100 million at the box office, the town's love affair with horror has been reignited. The films cost little to make and historically have delivered big returns. In recent years, whole divisions of major studios — Dimension, Rogue Pictures and Fox Atomic, to name a few — have been staked on horror's vitality.

For smaller studios, horror can be the IV that keeps their hearts beating. "It costs less to make a good horror film because you don't have big visual effects budgets or the $20-million stars," says Tom Ortenberg, president of theatrical films at the independent company Lions Gate.

And expectations are more modest. As Joel Silver, who heads Dark Castle Entertainment, a genre label, characterizes the horror business: "We're only looking for doubles and triples. We don't need home runs."

In the post-"Scream" horror world, the target audience is primarily young girls — or what some producers call the "cuddle" market, teenagers who want excuses to squeal and clutch each other in the dark. That demographic generally holds true even for the torture films offered by the "Saw" and "Hostel" series.

Still, the spate of cheapie thrills — knockoffs of such hits as "The Ring" and "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" — have made this audience cynical. "The Grudge," released in 2004, is the last horror film to break $100 million at the domestic box office. Horror has been faring even worse in the international market, which for typical studio films constitutes 60% of box office grosses.

"American audiences have a much more historical connection with horror. That's not the case with foreign audiences," says producer Paul Brooks, who runs independent financier Gold Circle Films, adding that horror films in the foreign market are "hitting a brick wall."

One of the exceptions is the "Saw" franchise, which has continued to grow because of its strength overseas.

Producer Nathan Kahane ("The Grudge"), who runs Ghost House Pictures, a genre production outfit backed by "Spider-Man" director and former horror-meister Sam Raimi, chalks up the decline to the fact that audiences have grown jaded. "Good horror is still going to do phenomenal business, but audiences aren't going to blindly accept that the quality is there," Kahane says. "They're going to wait to hear what their friends think."

And still, the blood keeps flowing. The rest of the year features Lindsay Lohan in dual roles as a stripper and a student in "I Know Who Killed Me" and John Cusack battling an evil room in "1408," as well as such familiar carnage as "Resident Evil: Extinction."

In the long run, Roy Lee argues, horror will always rise again. Lee, who sparked the recent rage for Asian horror by producing the English-language versions of "The Ring" and "The Grudge," both Japanese hits, says fear remains one emotion best shared with an audience, so, by extension, "scary movies are communal experiences."

"People like touching an extreme experience," says Weinstein. "When you touch death or visceral things like the other world, it makes people feel more alive. That's the allure of something like horror. It's just the fashion of how you tell that story that will be always changing."

While Warner Bros. is no longer financing but merely releasing Dark Castle films, the studio is attempting to reinvigorate the species with two classy and expensive science fiction horror films: "The Invasion," which comes out later this year, is the third remake of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" and stars Nicole Kidman and actor Daniel Craig. And "I Am Legend," produced by Goldsman and starring Will Smith, will be a Christmas release.

Based on a novel by Richard Matheson, "I Am Legend" has not only been made twice before but it also inspired a raft of zombie movies, such as "Night of the Living Dead." Smith, one of the most bankable actors in the world, stars as a pandemic survivor who haunts an empty New York City, facing creatures who are beginning to mutate because of a mysterious disease.

"We're waiting for the horror movie to reinvent itself," Goldsman says. "It always does. If you want to make a horror movie, you always have something going for you. You have a lot of people sitting in the dark. If you can't scare them there, where are you going to scare them?"

Rachel Abramowitz is a Times staff writer. Sheigh Crabtree is a Times correspondent.

chaibill
06-14-2007, 03:27 PM
well i don't think he has watched Saw i don't recall any nudity which to some passes as porn

but this is mostlikly because most horror sucks and people wait for dvd

the_real_linda
06-14-2007, 03:43 PM
i think its not quality of films just there is such a thing as trends and everything goes seems to come in and go out.... so what?

neverending
06-14-2007, 07:26 PM
I think it does have to do with quality. Few horror movies these days are interesting. Just IMO of course.

Kane_Hodder
06-14-2007, 10:10 PM
One cant match quality with quantity. 42 films released this year, and how many of them will actually be decent ones to watch? Maybe 6-7 if lucky.
The lack of original ideas is affecting the genre deeply. It's about time new people with fresh ideas are welcomed. The Saw series have proved to be good examples.
There is a lot of talent and potential, but they have to realise it and do something creative and innovative, instead of re-hashing the films of yore.
Older film-makers need to take a backseat now, and let some young, creative juices take over.
Remember, a young Ridley Scott gave us Alien, a young James Cameron made a fantastic sequel to it, young Sam Raimi's genius shone in Evil Dead, etc.
No matter how many movies the established lot make, its always the newer generations which will think of something new, if the big film studios like Fox and Warner allow them to.
Creativity cannot be bound up, it can only be contained for a while.

swiss tony
06-15-2007, 12:52 AM
i don't know about you guys but 95% of my movie purchases are not recent horrors eg. blood on satan's claw, masque of the red death and the eye were my most recent arrivals. i see no need to rush out and buy the newest horrors cause if there are on average 30 movies a year coming out that means the next years 30 are competing with the previous 80 years 2400. lets face it, if you are a horror fan you won't accept any old repackaged formulaic pap and pay good money at the cinema for the privilege of watching it when you can enjoy a dvd at home on the home cinema. if you make the effort to go to the cinema you may as well see quality and horror doesn't really boast too much of that these days

the_real_linda
06-15-2007, 01:13 AM
thats true i hardly ever go to see horror at the cinema as it seems to be remakes of asian horror or old good horror film which i can watch the originals at home...................

i go to see what my sister makes me usually....so kids films....meh........i gotta go see harry potter soon :(

bwind22
06-15-2007, 04:47 AM
I think it does have to do with quality. Few horror movies these days are interesting. Just IMO of course.

Agreed. If they were doing anything original in Hollywood horror right now, their sales would be better.


I just as apt to pop in Demons or Friday the 13th for the 100th time as I am to rent a new horror movie that I suspect will suck like The Return or the aforementioned The Reaping.

VampiricClown
06-15-2007, 05:55 AM
New horror isn't all that great. I tend to stick to the low budget films that are put out by indie director's. The big name movies are just too big of a let down when you finally see it.

Roderick Usher
06-15-2007, 07:25 AM
Agreed. If they were doing anything original in Hollywood horror right now, their sales would be better.



Doesn't explain the Grindhouse failure. That was the most original film event in decades, and not enough people went to see it.

How many people here went to see 28 Weeks Later or Bug? They were both really cool, fun, well-made films. If you don't go to the cinema to support these films, then the studios will continue to simply crank out the remakes.

tightrousers
06-15-2007, 08:18 AM
The best thing about Grindhouse were the trailers, particularly Don't (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka83i_e_v8M) and Thanksgiving (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFmEI6g2UrA). The formula for new Hollywood horror movies hasn't changed in 20 years; these days they're just stealing their ideas from Asian horror and dumbing it down for the North American market. It's at a point where mainstream NA horror movies are so full of tired cliches that they are becoming parodies (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS9cbwMZYtk) of themselves.

the_real_linda
06-15-2007, 08:23 AM
true true look at the scary movie series and epic movie

al they do is parody...badly...... the last years releases.......:( :mad: :confused:

toXsick
06-15-2007, 09:45 AM
I blame the war and gas prices. Real life is far more scary right now, and horror isn't an escape at the moment. We don't feel safe, so we're not doing the work as an audience to root for a picture. We're being passive, sitting there waiting for it to take us along. Our hearts aren't in it. And the "bigger" the project, the less we feel connected to it.

Of course that's a big, dumb generalization but for me, I need subversive right now. And that lies with the indie filmmakers that aren't dressing up horror, but find the itch and scratching it with a good, well told story. The more stuff that comes up that seems patronizing, the less confident a viewer will be. A sequel to a film is almost de riguer, but sometimes it sends the message that we're being fleeced. Don't do a movie because you might as well because the first one made lots of cash, do it because the filmmaker and the story demands it.

Grindhouse was good, but it was also a self-concious piece of tribute art. And it was too long. It should never have been expected to make so much, and should have been taken on artistic merit alone. In fact, the cheaper the budget sometimes, the better for the film. It isn't trying to pull blockbuster weight, and is more free to take chances and deviate from the Hollywood norm.

I'm a die-hard horror fan. I write the stuff. But I never have in mind to write a big fuck off star vehicle because I know its a career move formula script they're looking for. I think audiences are feeling "sold" right now, and good horror, if nothing else, is about pushing people away and daring them to walk in.

Just my two cents. Well, it was a bit long, so maybe it was more like a nickel. :o

MisterSadistro
06-16-2007, 08:11 AM
Two quotes caught my eye in that article:
"We're only looking for doubles and triples. We don't need home runs."

"Over and over again, people are breaking the boundaries of the body, hurting people, chopping people up, ravaging people…. For things to be truly scary, we're going to have to find new boundaries to tread on."


I read them as meaning "We don't really care about making a good horror movie" and "A different way to get a body count equals scares". If that's really their attitudes, no wonder interest is waning.

Hethwheel
06-16-2007, 12:15 PM
Moreover, topping the last thrill is intrinsically hard. "There's nothing you can do to a human being on screen that is taboo anymore," says Oscar-winning writer-producer Akiva Goldsman. "Over and over again, people are breaking the boundaries of the body, hurting people, chopping people up, ravaging people…. For things to be truly scary, we're going to have to find new boundaries to tread on."


Most important piece in that article.

New Boundaries to thread on. That is the way forward. Think about things that scare you in real life. Horror doesn't have to be about ghosts, ghouls, zombies, monsters or aliens. Everyday events can be very frightening. Its about packaging them into a horror film product. Time to stop reinventing old shit and get out there and take different themes and exaggerate their scariness. As a debut Director this year, that what Im doing.

massacre man
06-16-2007, 12:36 PM
Horror movies only make mounds of money nowadays when they're about dead girls crawling out of electronics.