Question Concerning Cannibal Holocaust

[Shady]

I have this movie but have yet to watch it. When it comes to humans I can take it all and actually enjoy it. I could watch someone get tortured in front of my eyes and it wouldn't bother me at all. But one thing I cannot take is animal cruelty. I don't know why, but I was just born with a heart for animals but yet I could give a shit about people, I dont understand why. If there is a spider in my room I have to take it outside, I can't kill it. Anyways, what I am getting too is I want to see this movie but I heard not only is there animal cruelty but I heard it was 100% real. I was just wondering if that is true and if it is I'm gonna have to pass as much as I want to see this.

[Despare]

Don't worry, all the human death is real but the animal killing is faked.

[VampiricClown]

Don't worry, all the human death is real but the animal killing is faked.

Hahaha, Nice.

I don't think any of it other than the animal killing is real.

[Shady]

So the animal killings are real?

[VampiricClown]

So the animal killings are real?

Sad to say, but yes, those are 100%, live animal slaughters. :(

[Unaboner3000]

The animal killings are all real. :mad:

[Shady]

Shit, thats fucked up. I really want to see this movie because I know its a history maker but I just can't handle that. Please tell me his ass at least got sued.

[VampiricClown]

Shit, thats fucked up. I really want to see this movie because I know its a history maker but I just can't handle that. Please tell me his ass at least got sued.

I was reading in an issue of Fangoria that he had multiple lawsuits filed against him. Not sure who won them though.

I don't like animal killings, but I could take that better than a rape scene.

A lot of my female friends have been raped by random people and even their fathers and such. I hate people like that.:mad:

[Unaboner3000]

He never got sued over it (as far as I know) but many countries did cite cruelty against animal laws to ban Cannibal Holocaust. It was also banned in many countries for its gore and graphic rape scenes.

[VampiricClown]

He never got sued over it (as far as I know) but many countries did cite cruelty against animal laws to ban Cannibal Holocaust. It was also banned in many countries for its gore and graphic rape scenes.

Didn't it just become available here not too long ago?

[Shady]

I wonder if I saw something back in my childhood that fucked me up like this. I should talk to my parents because I'm curious. I guess I could watch it and skip the animal scenes. How many scenes of that are there?

[VampiricClown]

No clue. I have it, but never can bring myself to watch it.

[Unaboner3000]

I wasn't aware the US ever banned the film but it is possible. The producers of Cannibal Holocaust have claimed to be banned in almost 60 countries, but I think that is likely exaggerrated to better "hype up" the movie.

I know the UK and Germany still ban the original version and only allow a heavily cut version.

[VampiricClown]

It isn't something I look forward to watching.

It is however something I think all horror fans should see. It's something with real death and shows real horror. Not to mention that with all the hype around it, there need to be people to talk it back down to just a movie, not a great achievment.

[Unaboner3000]

I guess I could watch it and skip the animal scenes. How many scenes of that are there?

* The killing and flaying of a large, screaming coatimundi (often mistaken as a muskrat), by an actor (who also mistook the animal for muskrat).
* A large turtle (about 45 cms long) is captured in the water and dragged to shore, where it is then decapitated and its limbs and shell removed. The actors proceed to cook and eat the turtle.
* A large spider is killed with a machete.
* The killing of a snake with a machete.
* A squirrel monkey is captured by a native actor portraying a tribesman, who cuts the monkey's face off with a machete while it is struggling and then eats the brains.
* A pig is kicked and then killed with a rifle when shot in the head by an actor.
* The killing of several bugs located inside a prop-skull.

[Shady]

* The killing and flaying of a large, screaming coatimundi (often mistaken as a muskrat), by an actor (who also mistook the animal for muskrat).
* A large turtle (about 45 cms long) is captured in the water and dragged to shore, where it is then decapitated and its limbs and shell removed. The actors proceed to cook and eat the turtle.
* A large spider is killed with a machete.
* The killing of a snake with a machete.
* A squirrel monkey is captured by a native actor portraying a tribesman, who cuts the monkey's face off with a machete while it is struggling and then eats the brains.
* A pig is kicked and then killed with a rifle when shot in the head by an actor.
* The killing of several bugs located inside a prop-skull.

Oh, fuck that. That monkey scene just sounds fucked up, I could never watch that, especially due to the fact where you say "struggling". That director can burn in hell. He should have gotten life sentence. We should treat animal murder the same as human murder. Humans at least can fight for their life while there isn't a damn thing an innocent animal can do.

[Unaboner3000]

Shady, if the actual animal killings disturb you, you will really be mad at the reasons behind them. When the film was made during a time it was growing unpopular for filmmakers to stage such animal death scenes in Italy, and the use of such scenes were intended to attract controversy. :eek:

[Shady]

Shady, if the actual animal killings disturb you, you will really be mad at the reasons behind them. When the film was made during a time it was growing unpopular for filmmakers to stage such animal death scenes in Italy, and the use of such scenes were intended to attract controversy.

People will do anything for a little money and even popularity. I'm just fine the way I am. If that guy needs to torture an innocent and helpless animal to feel better about himself than he does not deserve to be in this world.

[bloodrayne]

* A large turtle (about 45 cms long) is captured in the water and dragged to shore, where it is then decapitated and its limbs and shell removed. The actors proceed to cook and eat the turtle..We used to do this every summer when I was a kid...Deep fried turtle is pretty tasty
* A large spider is killed with a machete...Who HASN'T killed a spider?:rolleyes:
* The killing of a snake with a machete....My mother kills snakes when they get in her yard...It pisses off my daughter
* A squirrel monkey is captured by a native actor portraying a tribesman, who cuts the monkey's face off with a machete while it is struggling and then eats the brains...This is done every day in some restaurants, the monkey is trapped in the center of the table by its neck with only its head exposed in the center of the tabletop, each diner at the table is given a small metal hammer, they bash its head until its brains are exposed, then scoop them out with little forks (they look like shrimp forks) and eat the brains right out of their head...It's an appetizer
* A pig is kicked and then killed with a rifle when shot in the head by an actor....Many pigs on farms are dispatched with rifles, although the preferred method is with a sledgehammer...Then they're suspended upside-down, slit from groin to gullet over a bucket, cleaned out, dressed and then EATEN...OMG, the HORROR...I know all of YOU guys are used to just walking up to the pig and asking him for a little bacon for breakfast upon which he reaches into his hind pocket and happily complies:rolleyes:
* The killing of several bugs located inside a prop-skull.No comment necessary...

[Unaboner3000]

bloodrayne, shady asked a question...I was just answering. ;)

[bloodrayne]

I'm just saying, get real people...They're ANIMALS...Do you think that their children are crying over their deaths?...I mean, cuz if they ARE, we can eat THEM, too...

[Unaboner3000]

I'm just saying, get real people...They're ANIMALS...Do you think that their children are crying over their deaths?...I mean, cuz if they ARE, we can eat THEM, too...

Bah! LOL! Yea. I am not an animal rights activist. In fact, I have killed and eaten a many a thing that has walked, crawled, slithered, hopped, and swam.

But I can understand why some people would really get upset at this stuff. Let's be honest. These animals deaths were mainly for exploitative reasons ($$$) than for food....yea, the natives ate the animals....they had more sense than the Italian movie producers/actors.

[Shady]

Animals deserve to live their lives free from suffering and exploitation. People look at animals as some thing that have no feelings. Animals have the ability to suffer in the same way and to the same degree that humans do. They feel pain, pleasure, fear, frustration, loneliness, and motherly love. Whenever we consider doing something that would interfere with their needs, we are morally obligated to take them into account. If I could take my life to stop the cruelty of animals I would do it in a heartbeat.

[Unaboner3000]

If I could take my life to stop the cruelty of animals I would do it in a heartbeat.

Ok, dude. Put down the pipe and slowly step away from the keyboard. :eek:

[Shady]

I'm just saying, get real people...They're ANIMALS...Do you think that their children are crying over their deaths?...I mean, cuz if they ARE, we can eat THEM, too...

Yes, to answer your question. I can answer that in many accounts. I owned two golden retrieivers, one of which I still have. Two years ago my dog Max died. My other dog, was the child of Max. When Max died, he wouldn't eat, move, or do absolutely anything. It got so bad that I actually had to take him to an emergency vet and had to feed him through a tube to get food into his stomach. So to answer your question, yes, animals do have feeling just like us.

Ok, dude. Put down the pipe and slowly step away from the keyboard.

If I was told I could end animal cruelty by taking my life, I would do it.

[bloodrayne]

Yes, to answer your question. I can answer that in many accounts. I owned two golden retrieivers, one of which I still have. Two years ago my dog Max died. My other dog, was the child of Max. When Max died, he wouldn't eat, move, or do absolutely anything. It got so bad that I actually had to take him to an emergency vet and had to feed him through a tube to get food into his stomach. So to answer your question, yes, animals do have feeling just like us.Oh, it's okay though...We don't eat the CUTE animals:rolleyes: ...I wasn't talking about dogs...


Are you a vegetarian or something?

Some vegetarians will eat fish...Is it because they can't pet them, so that makes it okay?

[Unaboner3000]

We don't eat the CUTE animals

LOL! You are right...but people do mistreat them. All you need to do is watch Animal Cops on animal planet....there are people doing things to their domestic animals that make me want to beat the living shit out of them.

[Unaboner3000]

Some vegetarians will eat fish...Is it because they can't pet them, so that makes it okay?

You know, I always wondered why vegetarians do this....I mean, I keep alot of fish. I have always loved fish for pets. And you would be surprised how much personality some fish can have. Some will allow you to pet them, some will eat out of your hand. I can't imagine killing, fileting, and frying my pet though. But, the fish I don't personally know....watch out! :D

[bwind22]

Shady, this is one you'll probably wanna skip. I know it's been covered already, but I'll reiterate... I'm not a vegetarian or an animal rights person, but the animal slaughter in this movie still made me a bit uncomfortable. Then you take into consideration all the brutally violent rape scenes and the most realistic penis hacking you'll ever see and you've got yourself one pretty damn disturbing film. I watched it with my main horror watching buddy, Nick, and my wife and all 3 of us felt so dirty after watching it that we were compelled to put in Finding Nemo.

[Shady]

Oh, it's okay though...We don't eat the CUTE animals ...I wasn't talking about dogs...


Are you a vegetarian or something?

Dogs are no different than pigs, deer, or fish. They all have feelings and feel pain and anguish. And to answer your question yes, I am a vegetarian. As for fish, I do not eat fish, and I will never touch a fishing pole nor support fishing or hunting.

[bloodrayne]

Dogs are no different than pigs, deer, or fish. They all have feelings and feel pain and anguish. And to answer your question yes, I am a vegetarian. As for fish, I do not eat fish, and I will never touch a fishing pole nor support fishing or hunting.
Do you eat eggs, cheese, cookies, brownies, cake or ice-cream?...Do you drink milk?


If you answered "yes" to any of those...You're contributing to "animal cruelty"

[Shady]

Do you eat eggs, cheese, cookies, brownies, cake or ice-cream?...Do you drink milk?

Eggs, cheese, cookies, brownies, no. As for milk and ice-cream yes.

[Unaboner3000]

Do you eat eggs, cheese, cookies, brownies, cake or ice-cream?...Do you drink milk?


If you answered "yes" to any of those...You're contributing to "animal cruelty"

Man, I hate to join up with shady's cause here, but how does taking chicken eggs and milking cows equal animal cruelty? That seems to be quite a stretch.

As for fish, I do not eat fish, and I will never touch a fishing pole nor support fishing or hunting.

Ok. I can't let this one pass either. Whether you choose to participate in it, animals are always constantly hunting each other. And in many cases, without humans hunting we would have overpopulations of certain species. The deer population in the northern US is really out-of-control in some areas. Due to decades of restrictions here in my state (Louisiana), aligators have made quite a comeback...so much people find them in thier yards, under their cars, and on their golf courses.

[bloodrayne]

As for milk and ice-cream yes.Have you any idea how the cows are housed and restrained so that you can enjoy your milk and ice-cream?...Are you aware that they are corralled and loaded onto trucks and into their stalls with electric cattle prods?

[bloodrayne]

Man, I hate to join up with shady's cause here, but how does taking chicken eggs and milking cows equal animal cruelty? That seems to be quite a stretch.
Stuffing 10 chickens into 3x3 cages, and I'm not even getting into ALL of it, but...That's not 'cruel'?

[Shady]

Man, I hate to join up with shady's cause here, but how does taking chicken eggs and milking cows equal animal cruelty? That seems to be quite a stretch.

I agree, you are getting way out of hand with this.

[Shady]

Just drop the whole subject. To each is own.

[bloodrayne]

Just drop the whole subject. To each is own.Yeah...Now that you're just as bad as the rest of us...

Just because you're ignorant about what you're doing, that doesn't absolve you from it

[Unaboner3000]

Stuffing 10 chickens into 3x3 cages, and I'm not even getting into ALL of it, but...That's not 'cruel'?

Oh I see now. The big chicken and cow farmers...the corporate jobs. I was thinking of my own experiences raising chickens and cows. My chickens live quite happy lives, and the hens could care less about me removing some eggs. And cows need to be milked once you have been milking them regularly. It would actually more cruel to go without milking a milk cow.

But yea, the big companies do have some shameful practices.

[bloodrayne]

Oh I see now. The big chicken and cow farmers...the corporate jobs. I was thinking of my own experiences raising chickens and cows. My chickens live quite happy lives, and the hens could care less about me removing some eggs. And cows need to be milked once you have been milking them regularly. It would actually more cruel to go without milking a milk cow.

But yea, the big companies do have some shameful practices.And you think that our markets are FILLED by the 'small farmers'?...Come on...

[Unaboner3000]

And you think that our markets are FILLED by the 'small farmers'?...Come on...

Believe me, I wish they were. Big business is ruining this country. :eek:

[bloodrayne]

Believe me, I wish they were. Big business is ruining this country. :eek:
And now you're changing the subject...


The bottom line is...They're animals...We eat them...If given the chance, many of them would eat US

The predator/prey relationship isn't usually a sweet, happy romance...

It's life

[Unaboner3000]

And now you're changing the subject...


The bottom line is...They're animals...We eat them...If given the chance, many of them would eat US

The predator/prey relationship isn't usually a sweet, happy romance...

It's life

Excuse for changing the subject. :p

But anyways, you seem to want to argue with me. Killing and eating animals is fine in my book, obviously... as a hunter and rancher. You have me mistaken with shady.

My only point was I could see how people like shady could get upset at a film like Cannibal Holocaust. And, in fact, the movie producers were hoping poeple like shady got upset.

[bwind22]

Wow, BR- You really have some strong opinions on this one, dont ya? haha

Shady asked if the animal slaughter in the film is real because he personally doesn't like to see animal cruelty and then he just gets pounced on... hahaha

It's not like he was telling us all to be vegans or anything, he just asked about the movie.

[bloodrayne]

you seem to want to argue with me. Nope...I don't argue...I just state the factsWow, BR- You really have some strong opinions on this one, dont ya? haha


Sorry...I just hear a lot of whining about this subject by people who don't seem to have a problem with it in its 'full scope' as long as they don't actually SEE it, or allow themselves to remain blissfully unaware of it when it suits them...Animals are slaughtered by the billions every day, just to feed our various whims, but no one cries foul until they see a dog punched on television...It's fucking ridiculous

I don't know...It's either the ignorance or the hypocrisy (maybe a little bit of both) that gets to me

[bwind22]

Sorry...I just hear a lot of whining about this subject by people who don't seem to have a problem with it in its 'full scope' as long as they don't actually SEE it, or allow themselves to remain blissfully unaware of it when it suits them...Animals are slaughtered by the billions every day, just to feed our various whims, but no one cries foul until they see a dog punched on television...It's fucking ridiculous

I don't know...It's either the ignorance or the hypocrisy (maybe a little bit of both) that gets to me

I know what you mean & I see where you're coming from. And if someone is trying to tell me not to eat meat or wear fur or whatever, I'll be the first to tell them to shut the fuck up & point out where they're hypocritical, but I just never got that vibe out of this thread. Unless I missed something though Shady was just asking if the scenes were legit or not. I almost feel bad for him for incurring your wrath... hahah

[bloodrayne]

I just never got that vibe out of this thread.

It was mostly just the general responses about how people should be sued or even put to death because they're so terrible...When we all contribute to the slaughter of animals, in one way or another...Every day...

I happen to believe that human life is just a little more important than animal life, but I know that not everyone feels this way

And for those who say "But, they did it just for money and that's wrong"...You don't think food costs money?...How about shoes, clothes, wallets...Oh, but that's okay because we WANT those things

Now tell me, "No we NEED food"...yeah, okay...But, do we need $25 per lb filet mignon?...Probably not

Many animals are BRED, just to be slaughtered...Just to make money...It's no different than the exploitation for profit in these films...As a matter of fact, these films didn't even make a small percentage of what is made from the slaughter of animals every day, with other excuses

People are only upset about these films because they can SEE it...What if they could SEE where most of what they consume comes from...Would they be equally upset about it, or just accept it because it feeds their needs?...Do they really think this shit grows on trees?...Know what I mean?

[bwind22]

It was mostly just the general responses about how people should be sued or even put to death because they're so terrible...When we all contribute to the slaughter of animals, in one way or another...Every day...

I happen to believe that human life is just a little more important than animal life, but I know that not everyone feels this way

And for those who say "But, they did it just for money and that's wrong"...You don't think food costs money?...How about shoes, clothes, wallets...Oh, but that's okay because we WANT those things

Now tell me, "No we NEED food"...yeah, okay...But, do we need $25 per lb filet mignon?...Probably not

Many animals are BRED, just to be slaughtered...Just to make money...It's no different than the exploitation for profit in these films...As a matter of fact, these films didn't even make a small percentage of what is made from the slaughter of animals every day, with other excuses

People are only upset about these films because they can SEE it...What if they could SEE where most of what they consume comes from...Would they be equally upset about it, or just accept it because it feeds their needs?...Do they really think this shit grows on trees?...Know what I mean?


Ohhhhhhhh, okay, now I see where you're coming from on this. Valuing animals over people is ridiculous, but I guess it didn't seem to me like that train of thought entered the conversation until he was (probably already feeling) attacked, but perhaps I'm wrong on that & I don't feel like going back and reviewing the whole thread to figure it out.


In any event, I love eating meat ($25/lb filet mignon sounds delicious right now) and I detest when people try to force their will on others. (I am a smoker too, so believe me I hear it all the time.) I guess I'll just say that Shady probably wouldn't enjoy this film and leave it at that. ;)