It's Bad...And It's Just Getting Worse...

[bloodrayne]

How many things have made you think this way?...That so much is wrong and not getting any better?...I've got a few...


1) Parents - So many parents don't have any time for their kids anymore...It's like they just don't care...Why do they have them if they don't want to raise them?...They work more hours to 'provide' for them, and throw money at them to show that they 'care' about them, but it seems they don't really have any idea how to love them...Then they wonder, "What's wrong with these kids?...Why do my kids act like they hate me?...Why won't they listen to me?"

Here's a prime example:

Seri has a friend...Her friend has an ex...His ex is ALWAYS saying, "I love my kids more than anything in the world...Nothing else matters to me except my kids...I work two jobs to take care of my kids, because they are the most important thing to me"...It actually says this all over her MySpace page, too...And it's the first thing she's tells people when she meets them

The TRUTH is:

She never even SEES her kids...She doesn't even KNOW these kids

She works 8 hours at Walmart, during the day...Then she works 8 hours at a hotel at night...She comes home to sleep (while the kids are sleeping), and her ex (Seri's friend) takes care of the kids all day and night...She has 2 days off which she spends running around, shopping, doing whatever she wants and leaving the kids behind so she can "get a break and relax" because she "works 2 jobs"...When she IS stuck at home with her kids, she calls her ex, every 20 minutes (with the kids crying and screaming in the background) and says things like, "I can't do anything with these kids...They won't listen to me...How do you get them to behave?...What's wrong with them?...Can you come and get them?...I can't handle this, they're driving me crazy"...etcetera...

To which she is told, "Try talking to them instead of yelling at them (she's always yelling at them to shutup, even WHILE she's on the phone)"..."Play with them"..."Pay attention to them"..."Take them out and do something with them"...etcetera...But, she just keeps on until he goes and picks them up...It happens EVERY week...

And of course the kids (aged 3 and 7) have SAID that they don't like her, because "she's mean"...It's very sad...

The only reason anyone can figure as to WHY she works 2 jobs, is to get away from her kids...She could pay all of her bills with ONE job...Instead she chooses to waste a lot of money, and ignore her kids...She told her ex (just last week), "I bought you a present...It was $300, but you'll love it...I borrowed the money from mom"...She doesn't really 'borrow' money from her mother...Her mother has plenty of money and the girl never has to pay it back...Another reason that the girl does NOT have to work 2 jobs to take care of her kids, as she claims

That's just one example...But, there are SO many people like this...As well as the ones that blame EVERYTHING but themselves for their kids' actions...But think about it this way...Why WOULDN"T they blame movies, music, video games, and everything else for their kids' behavior?...It CAN'T be the parents' fault...They don't even KNOW their kids, so how could it be THEIR fault?:rolleyes:


2) So-Called Medicine For Kids - Parents load their kids up with sugar, then counteract the effects of the sugar with mind-altering drugs...Sugar addiction/consuming large quantities of sugar causes ALL of the same behavioral patterns as what is commonly called 'ADD'...Too much sugar (especially in children) causes hyperactivity, inability to focus/concentrate, and during sugar lows (such as when kids are in school and can't get another fix until lunch time), it causes depression, aggression, irritability, crying jags, and general bad behavior

Have you ANY idea how much shit that's marketed for children is LOADED with sugar?...Do you know why kids drown everything in ketchup (ketchup has a LOT of sugar in it)?...Look at their favorite cereals...Poptarts...Peanut butter and Jelly (LOADED with sugar)...fast food...Yeah, these things have always been around, but the manufacturers are actually putting MORE sugar in shit now, than they ever have before, because they know the kids will beg their parents for that 'sugar high'

How many kids are hooked on cookies, cakes, pudding, etcetera?...Parents put Little Debbies and Candy in their kids' lunches...

Seriously...If you're curious about this...Look into it...It may surprise you...

Parents give their kids this stuff because it's fast and easy...Much better for the parents than actually COOKING A MEAL...

STOP giving these kids drugs...Take away the fucking SUGAR instead

I'm still pissed off about the little girl who was diagnosed at the age of TWO as 'ADD and BIPOLAR'...They put her on these drugs at 2 years old...She died at the age of 4...They found her laying on her parents' bedroom floor in nothing but a diaper...They couldn't even take the time to potty train her by the age of 4...Family members had said that the girl was "always sedated"..."like a zombie"...WHY didn't they DO something about it?...The doctor who prescribed that shit should be shot...Wouldn't the definition for 'ADD' be considered what is NORMAL behavior for a 2 year-old?


3) Movies - We keep saying there's nothing original anymore...But, is there really anything LEFT to do?...Haven't we gone just about everywhere we CAN?...Don't you think that by making all of these remakes they're saying, "Okay, we've already done EVERYTHING, so let's just take the best of what we've got, and do it OVER"?...I'd love to see something 'new'...But, what concepts have we not already seen?


4) Inflation - I took Seri to get some groceries the other night (just because I have a need to feel like I'm still 'taking care of her' in some capacity, NOT because she actually needed it)...And she doesn't need nearly as much groceries as we do...She didn't get anything expensive or fancy, and the total was $130, just for enough groceries for ONE person...That's insane...

AND...Some people are spending as much for a vehicle as a person could buy a HOUSE for...Doesn't anyone see how ridiculous that is?


5) Relationships - Look at what's happened to Miss Olivia...There are other people, just at this forum, who have been through similar shit in the last couple of years...Everywhere you go, people are fighting...In our own families people are treating each other like shit...WHY?...What has happened?...So many people are taking each other for granted, and treating them like garbage...Doesn't anything mean anything anymore?


6) Stupidity - Pretty self-explanatory, and basically outlined in everything else I have mentioned here up to this point...Doesn't it seem like there are so many MORE idiots in the world than there used to be?...Cashiers who can't even add...I'm not going into ALL of the examples, there are FAR too many...

I had a few more (Customer Service, Gas Prices, Employers/Employees, etcetera), but I'm aggravated now...lol...

It's your all's turn...

[bwind22]

Way to open a can of worms with this one. There's so much wrong with the world that I wouldn't even know where to begin... Instead, I'll just go continue my arguement with the dumbfuck that seems to see nothing wrong with a Columbine roleplaying game.

[bloodrayne]

Way to open a can of worms with this one. There's so much wrong with the world that I wouldn't even know where to begin... Instead, I'll just go continue my arguement with the dumbfuck that seems to see nothing wrong with a Columbine roleplaying game.lol...I heard about that game...

Are you aware that ALL of the kids that were responsible for that shooting were on prescribed drugs, and had been for years?...Atavan, Ritalin, etcetera...They gave kids this shit BEFORE they had any idea what the long-term effects might be...It's almost like they were saying, "Ahh, who gives a shit, they're just kids and this will make them more manageable for the time being"...NOW they know that it CAN cause impulses to commit suicide and/or homicide...But, they're STILL feeding this shit to kids

People say, "Well maybe the reason they were ON the drugs is because they were the type of kids that would do something like this"...My response to that is, "Really?...If that's the case, then it looks like the drugs didn't help, so why are they still prescribing them?"...Also...There were NO incidences of school shootings UNTIL kids were given this shit...Look at EVERY case...The kids were on this shit...I'm sure there have been lots of times in the past when some kids were so downtrodden they felt like lashing out at the other kids at school, but they didn't do it...These drugs kept the ones who DID do it from suppressing those urges...

[Ash's_evil_hand]

Oh, Rayne, you have awakened the sleeping ranter in me.

Actually, it's never asleep, just that I keep it quiet most of the time.

I totally know where you're coming from. I look around me and despair. I think a lot of it is to do with the so-called 'good old days', but things are definitely getting worse.

One particular one you picked out there really strikes a chord with me. The stupidity - it's something I've noticed in my town much more recently. And (surprise surprise) it's most obvious within groups of young lads - all trying to be 'cool' with each other. It seems they wear stupidity like a badge - and (I assume) hide any intelligence as something to be ashamed of.

I don't have kids, but a year or so ago I was in a relationship where my girlfriend had 2 kids from a previous relationship. In truth, she had been a teenage mother and was completely unprepared for what life threw at her. She hadn't had the opportunity to stop being a child herself, and it really came across in her relationship with the kids. As a bizarre example, she wouldn't allow the word 'god' to be taken in vain, and had special words to describe parts of the body (eg 'flower' for the female genetalia) but would scream at her kids to 'Shut the f**k up you little c***ts!, and would see nothing wrong with that.

Cars - don't get me started on that one! Adverts on TV telling us that from only £25,000 you could have one of these - that it's 'not about getting from A to B but about HOW you get there' - it's a mode of transport! It's made to get you from A to B! But apparently you're less of a person if you don't have the latest car or mobile phone.

Politicians. I don't believe a word any one of them says. It is ALL about putting a spin on a hidden agenda, the whole time. It's got to the point where I wouldn't believe any politician who told me black was black, though that would never happen because none of them ever EVER give a straight answer to anything.

Health and Safety. It's no longer about looking after the wellbeing of those in question, it's now all about covering yourself against litigation. Behind the hot tap (faucet, for the US peeps) at work there is a sign which says 'DANGER - HOT WATER!' Just what exactly would our employees expect to come out of the hot tap???

As you said, there are so many more, but this is a start. And by the way, if you ever want a rant about anything, I'm always happy to be a rantee.


Finally - I watched 'An Inconvenient Truth' the other night. I defy anybody to watch that and then tell me things aren't getting worse.

*Puts head in hands and cries*

[bwind22]

Not man enough to even keep it in one thread are we? :rolleyes:

Way to emphasize her point.

Ahahahaha. Man, that's just stupid. Who the fuck said things need to be kept to 1 thread? Especially if they pertain to 2? The Columbine game is just 1 tiny little blip on the radar of what's wrong with this world, but you're obviously not gonna get it. Like I said, what are you? 13?

[meetthecreeper]

My lady and I have first hand exp. with the situation that society puts there children in.

My lady worked for my family as an accoutant. My son had started K school and only went half day so she wanted to work at home part of the time. Seeing that it was OK for my sister to do this who also was part of the family business what problem could there be?

Plenty.

Mom wanted my lady there all the time, put my kids in daycare she said. From 6am til 6pm. Creeper didnt think so. I told her to quit. She did and I have severed all ties with my family permanently. This is the 3 rd time that my kids were less important than the family business. 3 strikes your out.

Lady now runs a daycare, ironic isnt it, out of our home.

We see alot of kids that are neglected. Its very very sad. At 4 years old some dont even know their alphabet. Not even some of it. Alot of parents are told by the public schools that their kids have mental issues. My mother inlaw is a public school teacher, she loves the kids on ADD drugs and such. They behave so well. AKA ZOMBIES. sickening.

I could rant on this for days and days, but I am just trying to improve my little part of the world. Its all we can do.



Personally I think we should allow the stupid people to have a voice. That way we know who the stupid people are.

[bwind22]

I have never been a fan of any medication really, but especially all the perscription shit they're handing to kids like candies these days. I'll take a Benadryl when my allergies act up and that's about it for the (legal) drugs I'll put in my body. I wonder what the statistics are in terms of what percentage of grade schoolers are on Ritalin nowadays. Whatever happened to kids being kids?

Personally, I think ADD is a load of crap dreamed up as a way to put some extra coin into a few different pharmaceutical companies pockets.

[ferretchucker]

How many things have made you think this way?...That so much is wrong and not getting any better?...I've got a few...


1) Parents - So many parents don't have any time for their kids anymore...It's like they just don't care...Why do they have them if they don't want to raise them?...They work more hours to 'provide' for them, and throw money at them to show that they 'care' about them, but it seems they don't really have any idea how to love them...Then they wonder, "What's wrong with these kids?...Why do my kids act like they hate me?...Why won't they listen to me?"


And parents just let their kids run amok. I was walking home from school the other day when I saw a chavette (Wigga who thinks they're cool and vandalises, usually has kids before they can talk - female) had a pushchair with a baby in it, one child on a leesh who was only about 4 and a child running around near her on the road who was only about 5. She was on her mobile phone (cell phone to you) and every now and then she'd pull the kid on the leash harshly towards her, and shout at the baby.

I walk past and the oldest kid shouts "What you fuckin' lookin at you shitbag?" I just ignore it but I hear the mum shout and she smacks the child.

"Don't you ever say that again? Where do you learn that language? If you do that again I will fucking smack you one!" then she goes all nice on the phone again. People like that shouldn't be allowed kids

[bloodrayne]

Well adjusted kids are the product of being praised when they do well, and punished when they do bad. Not the result of pills.HEY...That's MY line :p


You have to teach kids to be responisible for their own actions (otherwise they will grow up to be adults who STILL can't accept responsibility, and blame the media/society for everything they do)...You can't make them believe that EVERYTHING is controlled with pills, even their own behavior, moods, feelings...It's disgusting

Teach them cause and effect...Consequences....You do something bad, it will turn out bad for you...Do something good, it will turn out good for you...Then let THEM decide whether they want to have something bad or good happen to themselves...Let them know that their actions have an effect on them, one way or the other, and let them make the choice as to how they want it to go...Eventually they'll get tired of having their things/privileges taken away, sitting in their rooms, etcetera, and understand that if they want to be happy, they will behave


Kids are NOT stupid...They are NOT pets or accessories...They have brains and CAN be taught to think and make decisions...They do NOT need drugs to "help them think"...I swear to god, a 7 year-old child said this to me, "Mommy said these (ritalin) are my 'thinking pills'...They help me be good, and they help me think"...I could have puked...Why didn't mommy say, "You have a BRAIN, THAT helps you think...If you are having trouble with that, I will teach you and help you"?

I have never understood how ANYONE could think it's a good idea to give a MIND-ALTERING drug, to a child whose mind is still FORMING...They HAVE to know that they're fucking up these kids' brains...It can only be that they just don't give a shit...And if that's the case, they should stop freaking out when the kids are 15-17, completely out of control, drug addicts...And they should not ask, "What's wrong with these kids?"...They already know...

[bloodrayne]

Personally, I think ADD is a load of crap dreamed up as a way to put some extra coin into a few different pharmaceutical companies pockets.And so that parents won't have to actually deal with their kids...I mean teaching them and raising them, TALKING to them and spending time with them, explaining things to them...It's all so HARD:rolleyes:

[bloodrayne]

My lady and I have first hand exp. with the situation that society puts there children in.
Hey YOU...I sent you a message :)

[bloodrayne]

The walk to the tree to cut my own switches did more for my behavior than any pill could do.HaHa...That first time you learn that the skinny little one that you choose because it doesn't seem like it would hurt as much as the big ones, turns out to be the one that STINGS the most...

[bwind22]

I was only spanked a couple of times, all by hand, but it was enough to learn that I didn't wanna get spanked again. After that, all they needed to do was threaten me with a spanking & I would fall in line. (Got threatened with a belt spanking a few times too, but those never came to pass.)

[bloodrayne]

I was only spanked a couple of times, all by hand, but it was enough to learn that I didn't wanna get spanked again. After that, all they needed to do was threaten me with a spanking & I would fall in line. (Got threatened with a belt spanking a few times too, but those never came to pass.)
EXACTLY, that's usually all it takes...I only had to spank mine (as a last resort), maybe 2-3 times in their whole lives...and those were pretty far in between (kinda like maybe they needed a little reminder)...Then it was just, "Do you want a spanking?...It's up to you"...They decided they'd rather not

My kids are hyper...But, I'm pretty sure that's the way they're SUPPOSED to be...I was hyper, too (hell, I still am for the most part)...I have awesome, amazing kids



By the time I was 10 years old, I decided that whatever it was I wanted to do (that I knew I wasn't supposed to), it just wasn't worth the hassle

I STILL climbed a few trees (that was the one that got me into the MOST trouble), and played in the woods and the creek, catching frogs, snakes, turtles, tadpoles, and crawdads...But, I made damned sure my mother couldn't see me...lol

[crabapple]

Wow! As a girl, you liked God's wiggly creatures more than most, I think. Snakes, frogs, crawdads...sounds like you were a little creature emporium

[newb]

The "situation" in the middle east......is getting worse

T.V. viewing........is getting worse

media celebrity infatuation.......is getting worse

[bloodrayne]

T.V. viewing........is getting worse


Ugh...We just stayed at the hotel with Dustin yesterday (cuz we never get to see him anymore...They keep asking him to stay there...grrr)...And we had only taken 3 DVDs with us...The boys were in an adjoining room playing video games, so they had no tv viewing complaints, and after the movies were over we TRIED to watch television...It was morning by then, so Adult Swim was over...Hundreds of cable channels and NOTHING to watch...Unbelievable

[newb]

Ugh...We just stayed at the hotel with Dustin yesterday (cuz we never get to see him anymore...They keep asking him to stay there...grrr)...And we had only taken 3 DVDs with us...The boys were in an adjoining room playing video games, so they had no tv viewing complaints, and after the movies were over we TRIED to watch television...It was morning by then, so Adult Swim was over...Hundreds of cable channels and NOTHING to watch...Unbelievable

I'm sure you and Dustin could have thought of "something" to do in the hotel room.;)

[bloodrayne]

I'm sure you and Dustin could have thought of "something" to do in the hotel room.;)HaHa...The boys were in the adjoining room...But, the BABY was in OUR room...He hates to sleep...So...Yeah

[bloodrayne]

Wow! As a girl, you liked God's wiggly creatures more than most, I think. Snakes, frogs, crawdads...Oh...I still do :)...Seri's the same way...She's gonna buy a python soon

[Roderick Usher]

There are solutions! We simply have to take it upon ourselves to serve as shining examples of what we believe to be the right way to live.

Parenting - When we had our first kid, the wife and I decided that one of us would stay home with them, that no one other than us would be responsible for raising our kids. Our finances have suffered tremendously, but it is more important to be there for the kids than to have a house and better cars.

As a result our children are always pointed out as examples of how to behave by teachers and whenever our kids have playdates, the other parents ask how we raised such thoughtful and well mannered children. It's no secret. You simply have to be there everyday and instill real discipline (as opposed to the spineless discipline afforded by nannies, day-care workers and teachers.)

Mind/mood altering medication for kids - NEVER EVEN CONSIDER IT

Inflation - you got me there.

The Movies? I'm working on it;)

Relationships - Been married 10 years. We tease and play, but never really fight, have no hint of jealousy and always show respect for each other. The kids see what a healthy,happy relationship looks like and will hopefully emulate it.

Stupidity - Show off your intelligence on a regular basis. Educate everyone you can. Make it cool to know as much as possible. Several here call me a pompous ass - While this is hardly the goal, it doesn't bother me in the least, because no one will ever call me stupid.

It's all about being the example instead of giving in to the state of things!

[bloodrayne]

Parenting - When we had our first kid, the wife and I decided that one of us would stay home with them, that no one other than us would be responsible for raising our kids. Our finances have suffered tremendously, but it is more important to be there for the kids than to have a house and better cars.

As a result our children are always pointed out as examples of how to behave by teachers and whenever our kids have playdates, the other parents ask how we raised such thoughtful and well mannered children. It's no secret. You simply have to be there everyday and instill real discipline (as opposed to the spineless discipline afforded by nannies, day-care workers and teachers.)

Why can't everyone understand this?...It's so simple...I commend you for making choices that benefit your children rather than yourself...I swear, I honestly believe that most people just don't care...

You can make a lot of money...You can buy a lot of things...You can build things and put your name on them...But, money runs out...Things break...Buildings crumble...None of it means anything when you're dead....However, the way you raise your child, the things you teach them, the love you give them...THAT will last forever...They will most likely raise their children the same way...Our immortality lies within our children...What could POSSIBLY be more important than the lives of our children?

[stubbornforgey]

This is probably classed as the best thread in here for me.
If we as parents in here can read your blog and learn something from it.
A similiar case over here..but with my nephew.
He has 2 beautiful children (boy and girl)..however he and his wife are seperated,,
she has them weekedays..he has them weekends and holidays,
However he is also a socialiser who spends most of his time picking up girls..
When its his turn for his children..he leaves them either with his dad..or tries to pawn them off to me (i always refuse) or other family members.
Its worse when he gets into a stable relationship as he never picks the kids up ..AT ALL..
and we always get this from him..MY KIDS MEAN THE WORLD TO ME..I love my children..he goes to places with his new girlfriends where his kids would absolutely adore..like the movies..fun parks..etc.without them.
He opted to spend a months pay on a diamond ring for his girlfriend..even though the mother to his children asked him if he could help her buy the kids school uniforms and pay thier fees..he makes me sick!!!
As for blaming movies/comp games etc for our childrens behaviour..
I mean..look at it this way...many parents nowdays ..the 1st thing they do for a bit of a peace and quiet is to dump thier children in front of the t.v..so much that the kid has grown an attatchment to one programme or t.v character.
Nothing good on t.v now ..so what else does the parent do..??
go out and buy the latest game console..and buy the kid the games he saw while watching t.v.
Hey..the kid gets bored with that..why not go out and buy him a computer cos his mates has one and this way they are able to chat..play games..even get recruited into online clans.
Under the guise of..we must buy our kids this comp to help with thier homework..!!!

Relationships:
While i was reading miss O's thread..i felt as if I was reading about myself and
my situtation last year.Dedicating my life to my husband..etc.
When things started to go wrong..i automatically assumed it was me or the children so in order to keep the peace..we adjusted our behaviours and were forever apologising if we got him in a bad mood..
all the while he would be happily chatting to his B/F2 clan..laughing carrying on like that.
Then i thought ..ok..this is his passion..i should learn the game etc ..in which i did and became pretty good with the admin side of things...but still no improvement..to make a long story short..
We decided to part ..and we did on good terms..we were the best of buddies untill one fateful txt ..that told me that all the while i was admin..for a almost 2 years he had been having an affair with the only female member in his clan...and one part while at a lan..they were fucking not 10 meters away from admin ..where i was based..!!!!!
However..with the help of a silly egyptian..i was able to hurt/wound and heal..most of all ..move on.I couldnt be any happier or more in love for the 1st time.
Whats happened to the world ppl ask...nothing..
the world doesn't change..its the ppl!!!!!!!!!!

[The Flayed One]

CGI as the automatic solution

Re-watching Monster Squad a few nights ago, I was amazed at how good the Wolfma, Creature, Mummy & Frankenstein looked. Maybe I'm missing something, but what happened to puppetry & make-up? I'm fine with a combination of the two, but sheesh. It's hard to get creeped out by a monster movie when the damned critter looks like it came out of a Pixar flick.

[ferretchucker]

i was only smacked once when I ran out into the road when I was two. I understand it though. you can't explain to a two year old why you can't go out into the road so pain is the only way. It's one hit by hand or another by a ton of hard metal.

[pinkerton]

I gotta agree with dave, your movie knowledge is incredible.Plus its cool to post on a forum with a Hollywood "mover and shaker".:D

[ferretchucker]

education is one of the scariest things on earth for a horror villain so to me that's cool. Also, im a pompous smartass so I like other smart people.

[The STE]

What about the constant threat of us getting nuked? That seems pretty bad. Although I wasn't alive during most of the cold war, so maybe it was worse back then, nuke-wise.

[Roderick Usher]

What about the constant threat of us getting nuked? That seems pretty bad. Although I wasn't alive during most of the cold war, so maybe it was worse back then, nuke-wise.

Totally

Last Friday of every month the air-raid sirens would go off and we'd do "duck and cover" drills in school. Fucking terrifying. Living in Washington DC we were repeatedly told that we'd have nothing to worry about - when the nukes fell, there'd be a bright flash and then POOF we're vaporized. When "The Day After" aired on television I couldn't sleep for fear of the Ruskies lobbing thier nukes at us.

[Posher778]

Spare the rod, spoil the child. As much as I hate that work of fiction, the bible was right with that one.



And there's my annoyance. Haters, especially for religion. We aren't hurting you, what did we do. Leave us and our bible alone if you hate it. Stop nagging and complaining about it, what DID we do to you? Nothing! We're just here. And for people who hate when christians try to convert you, in some cases it is annoying and wrong (like jehovah witness and crazy christianity ) , but when someone gets yelled at, punched, or even shot for trying to save your friggin eternal soul? I'm sorry we even care about others sometimes...


(this wasn't totally directed at xperiment by the way, just ranting)

[Posher778]

Totally

Last Friday of every month the air-raid sirens would go off and we'd do "duck and cover" drills in school. Fucking terrifying. Living in Washington DC we were repeatedly told that we'd have nothing to worry about - when the nukes fell, there'd be a bright flash and then POOF we're vaporized. When "The Day After" aired on television I couldn't sleep for fear of the Ruskies lobbing thier nukes at us.

I don't even want to think about it. The only thing that's comforting is that we have bigger, badder nukes, and a whole lot more.

[Phalanx]

3 main problems with the parent/kid thing IMO...

1: Chicks who get knocked up under the age of 18
2: Guys that are out to tale advantage of 'em, and fuck off.
3: The cycle continues.

I mean shit...it's not just the baby factor, I mean sure, if you wanna ruin any chances of anything outside parenthood really ever going right for you, sure, go ahead...but fuck, the amount of evidently unsafe sex happening? Ridiculous.
The kids get born into shitty situations, the parent/s drop out or discontinue schooling, (with nothing better to do) often turn to alcohol or drug use, kids learn by example, and end up in the same situation most of the time...many people who know people like this will see this clearly. Sure, there's the 1-in-10 shot the kid'll end up different from the parent, but really, not great odds.

As for "spending time with the kids"...that all depends really...it's an unfortunate situation, but I imagine say, if someone were a single parent, working two jobs just to provide for their kids...then they're doing it as right as they CAN, and yes, in that case, them saying their kids are the most important thing to them would be correct.
I suppose that one really depends on the situation at hand, not everyone has the available time that some do.

[Roderick Usher]

I'm sorry we even care about others sometimes...


Real Christian of you

[Roderick Usher]

I don't even want to think about it. The only thing that's comforting is that we have bigger, badder nukes, and a whole lot more.

how is this comforting?

[bloodrayne]

As for "spending time with the kids"...that all depends really...it's an unfortunate situation, but I imagine say, if someone were a single parent, working two jobs just to provide for their kids...then they're doing it as right as they CAN, and yes, in that case, them saying their kids are the most important thing to them would be correct.
I suppose that one really depends on the situation at hand, not everyone has the available time that some do.There's no reason a single person can't work ONE job and provide for their kids...Dustin works one job and he provides for 5 of us...

My mother was divorced...She worked one job and provided for my sister and me...We may not have had everything we WANTED, but we always had everything we NEEDED...And, we had a mother, too...

Seri works one job...She pays all of her bills, and she provides for her cat :D

MOST of the people I know work one job, and provide for their kids just fine

The reason I can't believe someone who says their kids are the most important thing in their lives, and they work 2 jobs, is because they never really SEE their kids...How can your kids be so important, if you don't ever spend any time with them?

If your kids really are the MOST important thing (and money ISN'T), then you work ONE job and learn how to manage your money better so that you CAN spend time with your kids...

[Phalanx]

Depends...I say there's still factors.
Depends on the job, depends on how qualified you are and what kind've/stability of job you're in, depends if you already own the house, or you're renting...sometimes a situation can be the one parents thrust upon you, sometimes it can be due to the fact you had kids too early and narrowed down your options somewhat...Depends on if you consider bare minimum, or yknow, a "little more" as satisfactory by the standards you set for yourself or kid/s.
It's easy to ignore the fact there's some people in pretty shitty situations, because it isn't ALWAYS the case, there's scores or difference between people..what if the only jobs available at the time were shitty p/t jobs that offered fuck-all pay, so you have to take on other jobs...jobs that start right as one of your jobs finish...just saying for some people it might in fact be harder than the situation you're used to yourself?

Not saying that the person you're talking about is in this situation, or commenting on whether or not they spend enough time with their kids, 'cos I don't know them...I wasn't speaking in relation to them in the first place...just that yknow, sometimes, shit happens.

[bloodrayne]

Not saying that the person you're talking about is in this situation, or commenting on whether or not they spend enough time with their kids, 'cos I don't know them...I wasn't speaking in relation to them in the first place...just that yknow, sometimes, shit happens.Oh...I understand...But, I still stand by what I said...I wasn't talking about the person in my example either, because it's obvious to EVERYONE who DOES know her, that she wants nothing to do with her kids (despite what she says otherwise...Actions speak louder than words), and it's also obvious that either ONE of her 2 jobs could easily pay all of her bills, if she didn't waste so much damned money on HERSELF

Jobs that don't pay much?...If the only jobs available in a certain area are jobs that don't pay much, there's a good chance that it's a relatively low-income area...In this case, living expenses usually aren't that much...the cost of living would most likely be lower, and it would still even out...

Don't have the skills to get a higher paying job?...Dustin doesn't have any special training, or degrees...Just a High School education...He doesn't make a lot, but we still pay all of our bills, and have enough left to goof off with the kids from time to time...It all depends on how you manage the money you have...And the amount of bills you have depends entirely on the individual...WE don't use credit cards, we purchase vehicles that we can pay cash for, the only loan we have is our mortgage (which would be equivalent to a person paying rent)...We have no cell phone...Our ONLY bills are House Payment, Water, Sanitation, Gas and Electric, Telephone, Internet, Insurance and Cable...We didn't want any more bills than that, so we don't have them...He gets paid every 2 weeks...That's 2 checks a month...The first check is used to make the house payment...The second check is used to pay all the rest of the bills...Any money that we have left over from both checks, is used to buy horror movies, games, and take the kids out...We never go out by ourselves...We buy vehicles with our income tax refund

There are two ways to have more money:

1) Make more
2) Spend less

We choose the number 2 option, so that we will have more time for the kids...Right now Dustin is working a LOT of hours...Not because we need the money, but because the hotel is in desperate need of help...There are so many jobs here, that people job hop a LOT, and the hotel can't keep people for very long...So, Dustin fills in every time someone is needed...He's kinda obligated to do so, because all of the other employees are already doing as much as they can, too...But, NORMALLY he works 40 hours a week...And we do just fine

As for the part-time work?...A part-time job is usually 20 hours a week...Working 2 of THOSE is no different than having ONE job...It's still 40 hours a week...You still have at LEAST 8 hours a day to spend with your kids, and 8 hours to sleep


If a single person works one job, manages their money well and STILL doesn't make enough to pay all of their bills...they can either get a higher paying job...Or get assistance like food stamps...I'm sure that if they don't have enough to pay their bills, they would qualify for some type of assistance, so that they would still have time for their kids...Also, if you're single and have kids, wouldn't you be getting child support?...That would help, too

I'm just saying that if WE (and everyone we know) can do it...So can everyone else...If they CHOOSE to

[Posher778]

Real Christian of you

Way to be judgemental. Its gotten to that point with me. Like anyone cares what6 I tell them anymore anyway, bah.

[pinkerton]

Survival Of the Fittest

[stubbornforgey]

And there's my annoyance. Haters, especially for religion. We aren't hurting you, what did we do. Leave us and our bible alone if you hate it. Stop nagging and complaining about it, what DID we do to you? Nothing! We're just here. And for people who hate when christians try to convert you, in some cases it is annoying and wrong (like jehovah witness and crazy christianity ) , but when someone gets yelled at, punched, or even shot for trying to save your friggin eternal soul? I'm sorry we even care about others sometimes...


(this wasn't totally directed at xperiment by the way, just ranting)


See there it is right there..
'Nothing! We're just here.And for people who hate when christians try to convert you'..
The thing is when you have a scriptures shoved in your face or somebody forever preaching in your ear or somebody lecturing you every minute about what your bible has to say..
Leave the conversion for those who want to be converted and for those who are given that opportunity to choose for themselves thier own religious path..

[Despare]

See there it is right there..
'Nothing! We're just here.And for people who hate when christians try to convert you'..
The thing is when you have a scriptures shoved in your face or somebody forever preaching in your ear or somebody lecturing you every minute about what your bible has to say..
Leave the conversion for those who want to be converted and for those who are given that opportunity to choose for themselves thier own religious path..

Shit, not to ruin the thread, but I'm Christian and I fucking HATE when people come back with this bullshit. I don't shove scipture anywhere... not down anybody's throat, up anybody's ass, or in anybody's face. Don't generalize and say "Christians"... try using a specific offenders name if you don't mind.

(This isn't directed to Stubborn or anybody really unless they generalize and say they hate Christians. I get it all the time... friends saying Christians are always after them like they're frickin' frackin' Frankenstein or something.")



I feel...


Parents should indeed spend more time with their children, even if it means making a little less money.

Children today are overmedicated... maybe that's why stupidity seems so high.

I don't understand how people justify spending the amount of money that they do on things, if I had billions I still wouldn't buy a car that cost more than $50,000...

As for movies, I still subcribe to the theory that because more movies are getting released, more suck. It's almost too easy for them to make some sort of profit which increases the number of risk taking films we see but also paves the way for inane drivel that should have never got released.

[stubbornforgey]

Shit, not to ruin the thread, but I'm Christian and I fucking HATE when people come back with this bullshit. I don't shove scipture anywhere... not down anybody's throat, up anybody's ass, or in anybody's face. Don't generalize and say "Christians"... try using a specific offenders name if you don't mind.

(This isn't directed to Stubborn or anybody really unless they generalize and say they hate Christians. I get it all the time... friends saying Christians are always after them like they're frickin' frackin' Frankenstein or something.")



I feel...


Parents should indeed spend more time with their children, even if it means making a little less money.

Children today are overmedicated... maybe that's why stupidity seems so high.

I don't understand how people justify spending the amount of money that they do on things, if I had billions I still wouldn't buy a car that cost more than $50,000...

As for movies, I still subcribe to the theory that because more movies are getting released, more suck. It's almost too easy for them to make some sort of profit which increases the number of risk taking films we see but also paves the way for inane drivel that should have never got released.

'word'..over the religious thingy .. and your right..(soz about that)..
It reminded me of a certain .recent thread that got my knickers in a twist. 'lowers her eyes'
generalising should be banned..


As for a parent who works 2 jobs..ummm
i never had a mum..
well i did..but she worked 3 jobs so yeah..i never had my mum at all..
Why she did this is beyond me..we didnt need the money..we didnt need anything..we did need a mother.
My big brother raised me..my big brother was the one who told me.all about the personal embarrasing stuff a mother shouldve have there for.
Ha..on her days off ..she slept and we were made to play outside ..QUIETLY..or passed on to her big/fat/ugly/blackassed sister.

[AUSTIN316426808]

I'm afraid I don't have much of an answer like the rest of the thread.


Sadly, every Goddamn thing.

[bwind22]

3) Movies - We keep saying there's nothing original anymore...But, is there really anything LEFT to do?...Haven't we gone just about everywhere we CAN?...Don't you think that by making all of these remakes they're saying, "Okay, we've already done EVERYTHING, so let's just take the best of what we've got, and do it OVER"?...I'd love to see something 'new'...But, what concepts have we not already seen?


Yeah, there's plenty left to do. Hollywood just needs to stop thinking inside their "We know this will make us money" box and start hiring some writers that have some fuckin' imagination. (Roderick Usher is gonna shatter the mold though. I can feel it.)

Feast, Jeepers Creepers, The Skeleton Key, Cabin Fever, Shaun of the Dead... There's some fresh stuff that's come out in the last few years. Sure the ideas of monsters, voodoo, infection & zombies have all been done, but there's ways to make them fresh & unique and those films I noted above all did that in my opinion. At least they are original stories and I didn't feel like I was watching a film I had already seen a dozen different times with a dozen different titles.

[AUSTIN316426808]

in some cases it is annoying and wrong (like jehovah witness)


So it's not right when people ''hate'' on your religion but it's ok when you say someone else's is wrong and annoying? My grandmother has been a Witness for about 35 years now, and she's also the most caring, selfless, perfectly sane person I know. Same goes for the rest of the religion with the exception of a few bad apples as every religion has. True, they can be a little annoying, some of them decide to go door to door a little earlier than others. There's someone else who used to go up to people and different situations out of the blue with no invite and start preaching, his name was Jesus, you ready to call him annoying and wrong too?

[Posher778]

So it's not right when people ''hate'' on your religion but it's ok when you say someone else's is wrong and annoying? My grandmother has been a Witness for about 35 years now, and she's also the most caring, selfless, perfectly sane person I know. Same goes for the rest of the religion with the exception of a few bad apples as every religion has. True, they can be a little annoying, some of them decide to go door to door a little earlier than others. There's someone else who used to go up to people and different situations out of the blue with no invite and start preaching, his name was Jesus, you ready to call him annoying and wrong too?

I don't remember saying that, but i'd bet you it was no less than 10 minutes after one came to our door and wouldn't leave for 20 minutes... (no kidding)

[AUSTIN316426808]

I don't remember saying that, but i'd bet you it was no less than 10 minutes after one came to our door and wouldn't leave for 20 minutes... (no kidding)


What I quoted obviously came directly from one of your post, so you obviously said it.


To use your defense, did the person that came to your door hurt you in any way? I heavily doubt it.

[Posher778]

What I quoted obviously came directly from one of your post, so you obviously said it.


To use your defense, did the person that came to your door hurt you in any way? I heavily doubt it.

1st, I didn't deny it, just said I didn't remember it. 2nd, actually the person got rude with my mom before my dad stepped in,

3rd- I'm not perfect, everyone makes generalizations once in a while, slipped.

[AUSTIN316426808]

3rd- I'm not perfect, everyone makes generalizations once in a while, slipped.

Fair enough.

[Posher778]

i don't mean to generalize, I really hate it when I (or anyone) does that. Its hard not to sometimes because naturally, if one person does something to you, you think of all of them like that. Like if one person gets a crazy baptist all over them with their religion, then they automatically get a "bloody baptists" attitude about everything.

[pinkerton]

but i'd bet you it was no less than 10 minutes after one came to our door and wouldn't leave for 20 minutes... (no kidding)





Refusing to leave your property?They deserve a thumping.They can shove their beliefs up their asses if they can not take "no" for an answer.

[Posher778]

That's what gets me. My dad was getting pretty pissed too. He was like, "we're RELIGIOUS, go HOME!" And he wouldn't take the hint.

[pinkerton]

That's what gets me. My dad was getting pretty pissed too. He was like, "we're RELIGIOUS, go HOME!" And he wouldn't take the hint.






Shoving any belief down your throat is no different than being Hitler in my book, no matter what you are preaching.

[stubbornforgey]

Over here they are more respectful..
if you tell them your not interested..they will politely smile and leave
or if you tell them you are of a different religion..they apologise and leave.
Its when your out shopping and they are 'yelling n screaming on the street corner
and pushing pamphlets into your hands..''
OR..you recognise a drunk from the night before who was
sprawled on your front lawn..
standing there..yelling into the mic that he/she is a recovered drunk that was touched by jesus..:rolleyes:

[ferretchucker]

Salesmen can smell fear over here. Once some mormons came to the door and my dad had to crush the foot in guy's foot with the door before they left. Damn mormons with their hidden tablets and racist views

[Phalanx]

the foot in guy's foot with the door
Say WHAT?!?

RE: The "religion" bit.
I'm born catholic (or maybe christian, yknow, one of the "carbon copy" ones with Jesus and the cross and all that...), but don't follow any particular religion.
Why?
Mainly because of two things in pretty much all "bibles".
1: If you fuck around with the wrong religion, aka worship false idols - you're fucked, or yknow, doing wrong...so how do I know I got the "right" one? I could be pissing the "one true god" off more and more every time...I mean, how should confession (or equivalent) go on that one? "Well, I don't know if I should confess this or not, but since this might not be the right religion, I've potentially been breaking the rules"?
No thanks.
2: The whole (at least this is the Jesus type bible one...most preach peace unto others for the better part though, so...) "do unto others" bit.
Ok, so treat people how you think you oughta be treated?
I just figure I do that most of the time...unless a person is acting an asshole themselves, in which case, any mistreatment by me, I'll just call karma on behalf of whatever greater power is out there...

I figure that and "do more good than bad" in general oughta have MOST religions covered. Hey if it AINT good enough, then there isn't a "god" I want a thing to do with in the first place. I mean hey, assuming there is a greater power, I'd be wasting the brain provided to me if I DIDN'T have questions about life, faith, spirituality...etc. I don't feel bad for questioning it all...

I dunno what I fall under...I mean, I believe that there's SOMETHING other than us out there, some force of ...guidance... maybe? Something that has defined our evolution and development as a world, and as a species...I just can't bring myself to definitively say who or what I think it/him/her is.

When it comes to "pushing religion" on others...
I think it's a path that people can and should undertake on their own. Parents can of course explain their beliefs, and "raise" children to follow, but I also think there should be honesty - other religions shouldn't be demonised, and freedom to explore them should be allowed, if the child so chooses.
As for the "cold canvassers" so to speak, I think that everyone has a right to pimp their thing to an extent, but, "no thanks" should cover it if a person is not interested...I cannot say I agree with calling on a person at home, but the streets, fine, sure...a person can stop if they want to, and should be easily allowed to keep walking if they are so inclined.
Anymore pushy than that, is annoying, and not respectful towards choices of the individual. However, it's about the person in that case, not so much the religion, and I don't think blanket statements about a religion on the basis of a few pushy fucks.
That said, I think the guys called mormons (fellas that wanna be M.I.B, right?) ought to come across a little less like salesmen. I've been approached, and followed, and this is not welcome behaviour - their methods in general are largely giving them a bad reputation.
The rest, have not given me all that much cause for concern.

[pinkerton]

I agree with what you said about your personal religion and how to deal with your children about the issue.I consider myself agnostic.The state board of education is trying to pass a bill to teach creationism as part of science.This pisses me off to no end that a school can influence/brainwash my child with this shit.What happened to seperation of church and state?

[Phalanx]

Don't send your kid to a catholic/christian operated school then...
I've been to both myself. Being forced to go to church every second day at school was pretty fucking lame.

[pinkerton]

Don't send your kid to a catholic/christian operated school then...
I've been to both myself. Being forced to go to church every second day at school was pretty fucking lame.



They want this in public school!Its fucking crazy!