What are your views on God?

[Posher778]

I'm not gonna pull a *join my religion* thing, i'm just curious. What is everyone's viewpoint on God? Do you believe that he exists and etc, whatever floats your boat. Just don't turn this thread into a bash religion or something, and try not to say stupid ignorant crap, because I want to keep this one at least semi serious.

[Posher778]

there is none ...i am my own god ...and im not kidding.

How exactly do you believe the world came to be, and we came to be on it?

[a mccuaig]

I believe in my own god. I kind of put some different beliefs together and made up my own. Why not?! It's fun!! All I need is 13 more people, and I can write it off on my taxes!!!:D

[Master]

I'm not gonna pull a *join my religion* thing, i'm just curious. What is everyone's viewpoint on God? Do you believe that he exists and etc, whatever floats your boat. Just don't turn this thread into a bash religion or something, and try not to say stupid ignorant crap, because I want to keep this one at least semi serious.

I think that what everyone believes deep down, is true (if that makes any sense). This is a tough topic to talk about because everyone has views, none of which can be validated in any real sense. I've read at least 100 different books dealing with different spiritual views and metaphysical subjects. As a result I've come up with my own viewpoint on god, one that is special to me based on my experience and also one which I feel to be true. I really don't need to get into a debate about this subject as I wouldn't ever try to push my way of thinking on anyone else (much as the Catholics have for millenina). I was raised Catholic, by the way, but now I have my own form of religion that is a complete mish-mash of alot of different philosophies. I appreciate much of the New Testament regardless of the fact that the version that we are familiar with is severely edited, and the message manipulated.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

im not sure of all that yet but they prove more and more each day that there is no one god.

who prove more and more each day? lmao

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

im not getting into all of that right now you know what i mean .

I don't know now, nor have I ever known what you have meant ever. You're going to have to do your best to explain.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

sorry babe big dave has to go to work so you just sit and think real hard on it and i know you will come up with something.

Go... flip those burgers like they've never been flipped before.

also don't ever try to be condescending after saying something like this... like I'm not smart enough to know what an illiterate mongo like you is talking about.

How exactly do you believe the world came to be, and we came to be on it?

OMCDave: im not sure of all that yet but they prove more and more each day that there is no one god ...

[a mccuaig]

That reminds me, I also worship the burger.

[The Flayed One]

After a re-read, I've decided to replace this with a still from the Ant and the Aardvark that I didn't bid on from eBay.

http://dfe.goldenagecartoons.com/images/ant-aardvark/ant-aardvark.jpg

[Posher778]

im not sure of all that yet but they prove more and more each day that there is no one god ...god is what you want it to be or what you need . thats why we say oh my god its for your peice of mind not that its realy going to help .

I don't think you can honestly prove that there is no God. I'd like to see you try to back it up, but know i'll be right there with my facts too.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

I don't think you can honestly prove that there is no God.

I agree with you. There is no "evidence" to support anything either. Still don't know who "they" are... haha

[Posher778]

I agree with you. There is no "evidence" to support anything either. Still don't know who "they" are... haha

That's good to know. But what is your viewpoint exactly?

[Master]

Go... flip those burgers like they've never been flipped before.

also don't ever try to be condescending after saying something like this... like I'm not smart enough to know what an illiterate mongo like you is talking about.



OMCDave: im not sure of all that yet but they prove more and more each day that there is no one god ...

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahaha!

[Despare]

I believe in God.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

That's good to know. But what is your viewpoint exactly?

I don't have a viewpoint on religious deities is that a lot of people find comfort in believing that they aren't to blame for the possible good and bad in their lives. They find comfort in believing that there is some sort ultimate justice for everything that they've done and for everything others have done to them. I think religion is as good as it is bad... I think we'd find something else to fight over without religion. I think people who think that without religion or guns there would be no fighting or war are pretty uneducated. I'm not saying that people who think religion is the bane of society are stupid, there are plenty of other things that count against religion... now a debate on how bad religion really is would be interesting.

I live my life as if there were no god. I have my own set of morals, I believe in heaven and hell as states of mind. I try to treat people the way I would expect to be treated, solely because I feel bad when I don't. I am responsible for my life.

It's impossible to know what happens when you die until it happens. Just as it's impossible to know whether or not God exists. Every argument that can be made against the existence of god can also be made to support the existence of god. Every idea is just as plausible as the next in my opinion, so it seems pretty pointless to waste thought into wondering what happens when I die while I'm still alive.

[pinkerton]

I've come to believe it is human nature to create and worship a higher power.It seems to me that almost all religions resemble eachother in some way.From different mythologies to christianity many times there is a god and a son(Thor, Christ, Hercules).I don't know what religion or god is the right one so I just kinda keep my options open.Who's to say Krishnas or Christians are correct.Hell, maybe nobodys gotten it right yet.

[Master]

The last few replies were all very impressive, reflecting some of my own beliefs but from a different viewpoint. Obviously, every belief system is shaped by personal experience, which is why I respect everyones ideas on matters such as these. Speaking of the God/Son analogy.... There are records that indicate that the "Jesus" story had been told in many ancient religions in exactly the same manner thousands of years before the birth of Christ...different names of course, but something to think about.

Anyway, I can go on and on and on and...you get the point about this topic, but I don't feel the need to.

Anyway, has anyone read "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle or "The 13th Planet"by Zechariah Sitchin? Is anyone familiar?

They are two vastly different books as far as content goes, but they are very valuable in helping you figure some things out.

To each his own.

[Haunted]

Henotheism! (Polytheism with a supreme Godesshead (or Godhead, but not).

I didn't create anything except the patterns of my life.

When shit goes wrong in my life, it's probably my fault.

When shit goes wrong in the world, it's probably humans.

I don't feel compelled to be spiritual. I bloody well enjoy it.

I don't think the Powers that Be compel a person to be spiritual, just so long as the person doesn't going around mucking up the planet or other people.

Essentially, I go with something Plato said, "If you think it. It exists." Now, maybe that's taken out of context, but even having been said...

None of this mandates that I have belong to a religion, however. Religion has a definition in the dictionary, but ultimately it's not something definable. Shit, atheism, because it really, honestly and truly is a belief, could be said to be a religion. Hinduism, is not one religion, in fact it's generic label for a million of different traditions based on the Vedas, Rig Vedas, etc belonging to the Aryan tribes plus, the indigenous religions of that area. Buddhism doesn't really have any gods according to Sidhartha (the Buddha that founded the tradition as we know it), but he stated that if people wanted to believe in them they could. (And when Chan (Chinese) and Zen (Japanese) Buddhism came around, the various sparks off of them created gods out of the various bodhisatvas. (That's a spot where some one could say that people actually created gods.)

Religion is there if you like it. Spirituality is there if you want to explore it. Otherwise, bugger all.

[The STE]

My general beliefs are Buddhist, but my views about "God" are Deist. "God," such as it is, exists, but in a very etherial sense. It is an omnipotent being, and being such, is WAY about any sort of human comprehension. Typical religious beliefs tend to personify "God" with human traits (having a gender, writing books, caring about sex, deciding who wins the Superbowl, et cetera), but "God" is in no way human. As a "creator," "God" (I'm tired of writing "God" like that, so I'll call it Pat from now on, nice gender neutral name so those batty feminists like Haunted don't go for the short hairs at me), didn't just make existance in seven days. The world came into existance through scientific means. Pat doesn't decide what happens, care where we stick our respective sex organs, have a "chosen people," worry about what day it is, or listen to Wolfmother. Pat simply exists. Any attempt to wonder what Pat is like is futile, because, again, humans are ill-equipped to comprehend real omnipotence.

[Posher778]

@Murderdoll> There are actually ways of knowing that there is God, they're just really unconventional and no one would care to know about them. Its just interesting at how many people see the world as without a God. I can't judge anyone else by their belief, it just kind of confuses me. If there was no God, then how do you guys believe that the universe actually came to be. Do you really think it was just THERE, at the start of time?

[Master]

@Murderdoll> There are actually ways of knowing that there is God, they're just really unconventional and no one would care to know about them. Its just interesting at how many people see the world as without a God. I can't judge anyone else by their belief, it just kind of confuses me. If there was no God, then how do you guys believe that the universe actually came to be. Do you really think it was just THERE, at the start of time?

There is actually no such thing as time. I'm not kidding about this, either. Physicists are beginning to find theories to prove this. Look into some of the work of Julian Barbour, or look deeply into the concepts of the Schrodinger wave function, relating to real time vs. local time. Time is a human created concept, made in order to allow us to relate to the universe. In all reality everything is happening in one instantaneous moment, it is just difficult for the human brain to realize this concept.

[Roderick Usher]

I don't know about God

but The Devil is Doubt

[dewaholic]

All I know is I'm supposed to be catholic, cuz I had water sprinkled on my head as a real little kid. I don't buy that. According to an online quiz I took, I'm more buddhist. And I know that really really religious ppl are wacky. I would love to find a mexican named Jesus, fuck him & then go make a t shirt saying "I fucked Jesus" & then go to a church picnic. Or on myspace once I found a mexican named Jesus & he was gay. I could make a shirt that says "Jesus Is gay" & go to a church picnic. I'm not kidding either. But as far as creating the universe & humans etc, I believe more in the scientific. Something where there are actually facts.

[Posher778]

All I know is I'm supposed to be catholic, cuz I had water sprinkled on my head as a real little kid. I don't buy that. According to an online quiz I took, I'm more buddhist. And I know that really really religious ppl are wacky. I would love to find a mexican named Jesus, fuck him & then go make a t shirt saying "I fucked Jesus" & then go to a church picnic. Or on myspace once I found a mexican named Jesus & he was gay. I could make a shirt that says "Jesus Is gay" & go to a church picnic. I'm not kidding either. But as far as creating the universe & humans etc, I believe more in the scientific. Something where there are actually facts.


That made, no sense, at all.

[stubbornforgey]

@Murderdoll> There are actually ways of knowing that there is God, they're just really unconventional and no one would care to know about them. Its just interesting at how many people see the world as without a God. I can't judge anyone else by their belief, it just kind of confuses me. If there was no God, then how do you guys believe that the universe actually came to be. Do you really think it was just THERE, at the start of time?


Like yourself..to each his own.
Instead of asking 'if there was no god then how come..etc..?
try another line...'how do you know god actually exist..??
We are all beleivers in things that have been programmed into our minds ..
like aliens for example..'
If you look at this scientificly...the universe has always existed..planets
created by masses of (insert big scientific name in here)..

There are so many gods..and so many religions out there..
my question to you is this..
how do you know that your god is the one..?

[dewaholic]

That made, no sense, at all.

What exactly made no sense? The part where I said I'm supposed to be catholic cuz water was sprinkled on my head in a church? Or the part where I took an online quiz for the hell of it that told me I'm more buddhist? Or the part where I said I wanted to fuck a mexican, named Jesus, make a t shirt go to a church picnic? Or what?

[Spec7ral]

That made, no sense, at all.

Your punchuation is very sexsical.

[Spec7ral]

@Murderdoll> There are actually ways of knowing that there is God, they're just really unconventional and no one would care to know about them. Its just interesting at how many people see the world as without a God. I can't judge anyone else by their belief, it just kind of confuses me. If there was no God, then how do you guys believe that the universe actually came to be. Do you really think it was just THERE, at the start of time?

You've heard of a little theory called the big bang right?

[Spec7ral]

BTW you should have just called this thread " All non-christians feel free to take a swing at me". I'd rather confuse you with a belief than to take up one that has absolutely no proff or substance other than the fact a lie is believed my millions of people.

I guess you could be a jehovah or a mormon. those are about the only three religions that see it upon themselves to try and argue how right their rules are.

P.S. The fact that this thread wasnt locked right after it was started is an exercise in futility. This thread has been started in every forum ever made and it always ends the same way, locked. Its a fucking stupid thread that never goes anywhere and ends the same way all religious debates do, nowhere fucking special. IMO.

[pinkerton]

This thread was born to lose.

[~Chainsaw~]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEl4QfcAK2o

sums up my opinion on religion pretty well

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

[QUOTE=X¤MurderDoll¤X;545046]Go... flip those burgers like they've never been flipped before.

also don't ever try to be condescending after saying something like this... like I'm not smart enough to know what an illiterate mongo like you is talking about.





im sorry kittin if i upset you but i have to ask why you give a shit what a mongo like me thinks... am i here to change your mind on god?...no ? you just go on and take things for what you think they are and ill go be happy... ok?

I just think you making sense once in a blue fucking moon isn't too much too ask, hun.

[crabapple]

Well...what are your thoughts on Godzilla, then?

[pinkerton]

What if Godzilla was one of us...........

[Haunted]

The thread isn't locked, nor should it be. That is, of course, unless we get people proseletyzing, from the prospective of anti Deity or pro Deity ( "Oh you believe in a Supreme Consciousness(es), you're primitive! or "You don't believe in Deity? You're lost without hope!) going on.

[Despare]

BTW you should have just called this thread " All non-christians feel free to take a swing at me". I'd rather confuse you with a belief than to take up one that has absolutely no proff or substance other than the fact a lie is believed my millions of people.

I guess you could be a jehovah or a mormon. those are about the only three religions that see it upon themselves to try and argue how right their rules are.

P.S. The fact that this thread wasnt locked right after it was started is an exercise in futility. This thread has been started in every forum ever made and it always ends the same way, locked. Its a fucking stupid thread that never goes anywhere and ends the same way all religious debates do, nowhere fucking special. IMO.

Why should anybody be taking a swing at anybody? This was a thread that asked what each person felt about God or a god. This thread wasn't to criticize the beliefs of others, simply listen to them. The only thing that would ruin a thread like this is people who can't listen to another opinion without having to constantly restate theirs. It's not a debate, just a discussion.

[The Flayed One]

My god is an Indian that turns into a wolf.

[Posher778]

Why should anybody be taking a swing at anybody? This was a thread that asked what each person felt about God or a god. This thread wasn't to criticize the beliefs of others, simply listen to them. The only thing that would ruin a thread like this is people who can't listen to another opinion without having to constantly restate theirs. It's not a debate, just a discussion.

That's exactly right. Too bad i'm apparently ignorant for thinking that could happen here. Done with this thread.

[The STE]

[QUOTE=omcdave;545291]

I just think you making sense once in a blue fucking moon isn't too much too ask, hun.

There's one of those in May

[bloodrayne]

P.S. The fact that this thread wasnt locked right after it was started is an exercise in futility. This thread has been started in every forum ever made and it always ends the same way, locked. Its a fucking stupid thread that never goes anywhere and ends the same way all religious debates do, nowhere fucking special. IMO.Umm...Actually...WE have had literally over 100 threads discussing religion (and other things that are usually forbidden at 'other forums'...such as abortion, gay rights, politics, and other sensitive subjects)...NONE of them were EVER 'locked' or deleted...Sometimes we CAN be relevant and stay on topic, discussing ANYTHING...Some of us are intelligent and mature enough to be able to differentiate between a discussion, a debate, and an argument...Believe it or not ;)

Stating your opinion, even if it's a NEGATIVE opinion about something...Doesn't necessarily mean that you are bashing everyone whose opinion opposes your own

I hate shopping...I did NOT just insult people who shop...

[Haunted]

Despare, good call. I don't need to repeat for the billionth time what I got my undergraduate degree in at uni and how I'd like to get my PhD in the same field, but I could talk about it all day. You wouldn't believe how fascinating the topic is, if people actually talked about it. The thing is, a lot of people are sort of put off by the subject (especially during these times).

By in large, most of the responses that were give, especially Sam's, described agnosticism: the concept that there is or if there is a higher power/consciousness at work human beings cannot even begin to comprehend it, so why bother. (IMO, you're already plugged in anyway)

I really thought what Urge said was cool. You (Urge) said that your morals came from you and you didn't need some one or a book to tell you. Honestly, I think that is true in most people; it's human nature. Those people that don't have that particular drive, tend to be aberhant members of society, and thus it is human nature to have that desire to force them out of the human society as a whole. Survival instincts...

There in lies the problem that I have with "religion." It isn't the belief in Deity. It's the heirarchical pattern that presupposes that all but a select few are in the know, while the rest (about 90%) are disconected and need to be told, led, etc. The truth is everyone in whatever way is in the know. It's instinctive.

I will say that those fuckers who sale themselves, the planet (habits, wildlife, the benefit of other human beings despite their own morality have disconnected themselves from the internal consciousness or their own humanity... if that makes any sense... I quess I just don't understand those people).

[bloodrayne]

except for those fat bastards at wal-martHaha...No...Rory does that...Not ME :p

[pinkerton]

Pinkerton- Who'd win in a wrestling match, Lemmy or God?
omcdave- Lemmy.
Pinkerton-buzzzzzzz*imitates buzzer*
omcdave-God?
Pinkerton-Wrong, dickhead, trick question. Lemmy IS God.

[Haunted]

What kind of questions?

Editted out of curiosity: What have you and your co worker been discussing? (Studied Islam, myself, so am curious).

[The STE]

Okay then.

Assuming that the foundation of Chriatian beliefs (either arian or Roman-Catholic, take your pick) are true; Judas gave at least as great a sacrifice as Jesus, agree or disagree?

[Haunted]

Actually heard a sermon on that once. According to the Rev. it was a sacrifice, and that Judas went to Heaven.

He had to have done the right thing. Besides, Jesus is supposed to be forgiving, so therefore, would have probably told Judas in the afterlife, "Dude, don't sweat it. You did what you supposed to. You had to do the dirty work for the whole thing to go down."

[The STE]

Well, in most of the Christian-related literature I've seen, Judas is in the lowest depths of hell. That's the first I've heard of anybody saying he went to heaven.

[The STE]

"if (almost) all of the holy books were supposedly written by god ..

why is there not one mention of the dinosaur."

The holy books are supposed to hold lessons for mankind. What lessons would we learn from the dinosaur?

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Okay then.

Assuming that the foundation of Chriatian beliefs (either arian or Roman-Catholic, take your pick) are true; Judas gave at least as great a sacrifice as Jesus, agree or disagree?

I would think eternal damnation for saving mankind would be the greater sacrifice, yes. Jesus is the son of god, Judas is forever burning in the worst part of hell. Come on who's really suffering for our sins?

[The STE]

I would think eternal damnation for saving mankind would be the greater sacrifice, yes. Jesus is the son of god, Judas is forever burning in the worst part of hell. Come on who's really suffering for our sins?

Exactly my thoughts.

Someone said he went to hell for committing suicide, but then Moses killed people when they were worshipping the golden calf, and he went to heaven

[pinkerton]

I would think eternal damnation for saving mankind would be the greater sacrifice, yes. Jesus is the son of god, Judas is forever burning in the worst part of hell. Come on who's really suffering for our sins?



I've seen a program (don't remember the title, probably the history channel) that Jesus asked that Judas betray him.By not doing so he would be defying the lord and that he was heartbroken to be handed the task.Hence he bought his way into heaven.I don't know the validity of this and i'm not trying to argue, its just something i've seen.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

the dinosaurs became extinct because they couldnt adapt to the changing environment ... you dont think a lesson is in there somewhere ?


when did we find out what caused their extinction? Maybe god was like "What the fuck are these things doing here?!" Then he stomped them all like bugs. :)

[The STE]

Ok, I should point out now that I don't think Pat wrote the bible, so really this is all purely for sake of argument.

Animals are mentioned in the bible a lot, sure, but AFAIK there are no passages that are all animal, that humans didn't interract with. It's tough to connect with something like a dinosaur, unless you can turn it into a cartoon and dumb it down with endless personifications, and since the overall message in the bible is the more important thing, why risk alienating people in the name of historical accuracy?

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

yeah ! global warming leading to an ice age ..
in this case the global warming was caused by a huge asteroid impact that threw a ton of crap into the atmosphere.

anyway - its the theory i believe in.

You stick to your pathetic fables of global warming and asteroids. The big stomp theory is the only logical way it could have happened. :p

[The STE]

historical accuracy ?

like noahs ark ?

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with that one

[The STE]

Yeah, but I didn't say that there was historical accuracy in the bible. I said (well, inferred) that historical accuracy (ie: the dinosaurs) was downplayed in favor of making the bible more palatable and relatable by the masses, and that the overall message was more important than making it historically accurate.

[Zero]

as saint augustine reasoned - humans are imperfect, human language is imperfect . . . but GOD is perfect. . . therefore there will always be some slippage in biblical texts. for augustine this meant that priests must continually study the language of the bible to seek the truer meanings and shuffle through the human imperfections

[Zero]

arguably something perfect could only create something imperfect because to create something else perfect would be to create itself

[Zero]

but we're talking here about absolute perfection - which suggests, as well, absolute completeness - therefore, there could not be two perfect spheres (in the sense of Perfect spheres). if God is the absolute essence of pure Perfection - then there can be nothing else that is perfect that is not God.

[The STE]

See, now we're getting into the "Can God make a rock so big that even he can't lift it" territory, and that's one of the dumbest questions I've ever heard. Ok, Pat is perfect. We're imperfect? Why would something perfect make something imperfect? Why would something perfect make something that is also perfect? Why make anything at all?

[Zero]

perfect means without flaw.

using the imagined spheres .... if there were 2 of them .. flawless ... how would one cancel out the other.
for the record - there is nothing perfect by measurable standards ..
but even so .. your reasoning is what i call a religious arguement - it still takes faith to believe in any of it.

without flaws if flawless - Perfect, at least as i'm using it here, implies not simply that something is itself without flaws, but that it is the ultimate, pure and absolute expression of its being. . . thus, any existing thing - particularly in material or real sense - is not perfect because it exists in its own finite and limited existence. . . God, being omnipresent and infinite is more than merely flawless - God is perfection itself and it is precisely this PERFECTION against which all else is imperfect.

as for STE's comment - i'm not trying to head that direction (nor for that matter seriously attempting to persuade someone to believe or not believe) - i was just recounting some of the classic philosophical arguments about the nature of the divine

urge is exactly right (as kierkegaard would agree) that belief is the only thing available to we the imperfect (as only the perfect could have perfect knowledge) and belief always requires a blind leap of faith. we are, as nietzsche so rightly put it, "the bungled and the botched" - i always find comfort in that idea.

[The STE]

The "Why" questions are generally where I take issue with most forms of organized religions. Because they all try to give an answer, while at the same time saying "God" is omnipotent, all-knowing, existing forever, etc. Yeah, Pat is all those things, and YOUR dumb ass has even the slightest idea why it does anything.

Here's a 'why' question; Why does it matter?

[Zero]

i suppose it matters because the vast majority of the planet's population have deep, fervent - at times violent and almost always conflicting views of what god is and in many ways those views continue to drive much of the world's economic, political and cultural life

[The STE]

That's basically saying "it matters because people believe that it matters."

Personally, I don't think it matters. We're never going to know, and even if at some point we do know, we won't be in any position to do anything about it, and at that point we won't really care anyways.

[Despare]

If I die and I find that there is no God at least nobody will be able to remind me that I was wrong. :p

[Spec7ral]

i am going out to get wasted, so i cant dive into this topic with the attention it deserves, hopefully when i come home i just pass out because giving it undivided drunken attention is not what it needs, especially not since im drinking torques tonight. So here's some food for thought instead:

http://www.desiconnectionusa.com/gallery/cruel/Vulture_-_Kevin_Carter.jpg

[can't get enough gore]

i was raised christian but i dont go to church..i beileve there is a god and heaven but i hate ass holes who shove shit down people's throat's

[can't get enough gore]

think about this....why would people make a book about god(holy bible) and these god like storys if it wasnt true???

[bloodrayne]

think about this....why would people make a book about god(holy bible) and these god like storys if it wasnt true???
I have a book about dragons ;)

[can't get enough gore]

I have a book about dragons ;)

good for you

[The STE]

If I die and I find that there is no God at least nobody will be able to remind me that I was wrong. :p

yep, Pascal's Wager

[stubbornforgey]

think about this....why would people make a book about god(holy bible) and these god like storys if it wasnt true???


if you were to believe this lame question then you believe that
Harry Potter and all his wierd adventures are true..
after all..his books out sold the bible in some countries.
And thats another thing..
why do churches charge for gods services??(refer to sunday donations)
he isn't getting the money..it lines the pockets of the pastor.
and before you dispute this..
Island churches (samoan ..tongan etc)..
charge thier parishers 55% of thier weekly income each..
it is marked down in a ledger and those who do not pay are shamefully
mentioned after each sermon in front of the whole church..and these families
are made to double it the following week.

[stubbornforgey]

you are soooooooo on here jez i hate it when people bring up the bible it was writtin by drunk sheep hurders.


so do i to be honest.
I remember when i 1st joined HDC ..one of the threads was about religion
and abortion..what a hell of a stir that caused.

[stubbornforgey]

oh dont get me started on the A word stubbs ill see red !


EXACTLY!!!

[stubbornforgey]

its a womens choice men stay out of it .

errrrmmmmmmm..
yeah and no.

[Zero]

god is dead, and you have killed him

[Zero]

i was just quoting nietzsche: "the madman ran through the streets crying out, 'God is dead, and you have killed him!'"

i do, actually, believe in God, but am not one to make a crusade out of it - to each their own in the inexplicable world we live in

[ShankS]

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/3715/faithlessgodisadj2ry.jpg

[Zero]

i'm joining the new shanks religion - if God is a DJ then at least we can dance!

[ShankS]

Faithless knows best.....


http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/7985/faithlessks5.jpg

[Haunted]

Believe? Me? Hmmmm....

Ultimately, it goes back to something Lao Tsu said in the Tao Teh Ching:

"Those who know do not speak/ Those who speak do not know.";)

Would be like believing in trees or flowers or the lady that brings the mail everyday.

So... um... most of the Biblical tales were allegorical or legends to uplift or frighten as are most religious tales. It seems that the Abrahamic traditions are the only ones who missed this point.

Oh... The Goddess is the rock that She creates.

For you guys, think hypothetically for a mo, wouldn't it be necessary for Divinity to show a personality for a human conscious to connect? This personality would be pretty universal to those who seek the Divine (considering I am polytheist it would be a multiplicity of personalities, but I'd understand them at the same basic level that another person who recognizes them would.) Hypothetically speaking...

[Despare]

For all we know every diety, every god and goddess through time is the same being. This being was/is simply so indescribable, incomprehensable, and personal that people just experience it as a different being or beings. Mythos are created to explain this being who came to them in a very personal way and then a name is given. Like I said, I just came to this thread to say that I believed in God and I'm not here to debate, just throwing my opinion out there.

[Gus]

maybe god is that black dude in a towel holding up the earth like in that headache commercial.

[Master]

For all we know every diety, every god and goddess through time is the same being. This being was/is simply so indescribable, incomprehensable, and personal that people just experience it as a different being or beings. Mythos are created to explain this being who came to them in a very personal way and then a name is given. Like I said, I just came to this thread to say that I believed in God and I'm not here to debate, just throwing my opinion out there.


Not just every deity, but every being that has existed and will exist throughout time is the same being. If God truly is omnipotent, then God is all that is real and all that exists. There is no need for duality in this case which is why I'm not a supporter of any major religions.

[halloweenfreak1]

God...........hmmmmmmmmm......... a very interesting subject........ I belive there is a god. I dont belive a lot of the stuff i was brought up to belive (raised catholic). One of the things i dont belive in is hell. If God is an all forgiving being than there would be no need for hell. I mean thinck of it if you were a murderer who killed hundreds of people and you saw the face of God would you not be sorry for your sins? would you not want to repent? Now i also dont belive that any one religion is right. Who is to say that catholicism is more accurate than what muslums, jews, or any other religion belives? Nobody. Not a single soul. And as for the people who say that there is no solid proof a god exists, there is no solid proof for a lot of things. There is no solid proof that there was a big bang. through out history a lot of stories of religon and how the world came to be have a lot of holes in them. I belive God in my own little way. Different, maybe, but i works for me.

[Master]

God...........hmmmmmmmmm......... a very interesting subject........ I belive there is a god. I dont belive a lot of the stuff i was brought up to belive (raised catholic). One of the things i dont belive in is hell. If God is an all forgiving being than there would be no need for hell. I mean thinck of it if you were a murderer who killed hundreds of people and you saw the face of God would you not be sorry for your sins? would you not want to repent? Now i also dont belive that any one religion is right. Who is to say that catholicism is more accurate than what muslums, jews, or any other religion belives? Nobody. Not a single soul. And as for the people who say that there is no solid proof a god exists, there is no solid proof for a lot of things. There is no solid proof that there was a big bang. through out history a lot of stories of religon and how the world came to be have a lot of holes in them. I belive God in my own little way. Different, maybe, but i works for me.


If you would like, I can recommend a ton of good books. I was also raised Catholic, but I'm not supportive of the dogma. I've read and learned a lot on the subject elsewhere, and I would be very happy to share some suggestions.

[halloweenfreak1]

If you would like, I can recommend a ton of good books. I was also raised Catholic, but I'm not supportive of the dogma. I've read and learned a lot on the subject elsewhere, and I would be very happy to share some suggestions.

i would appreciate it, and i would take up your offer.

[Master]

i would appreciate it, and i would take up your offer.


Great! I'll give you a few good suggestions off the top of my head. None of these are catholic based, but they give you some good fodder to build your own belief systems. Look them up on amazon when you get a chance!

-The Nature of Personal Reality by: Jane Roberts
-The Holographic Universe by: Michael Talbot
-The Jesus Code by: John Randolph Price
-How to Know God and The Way of the Wizard by: Deepak Chopra
-The Self Aware Universe by: Maggie Goswami
-The Conversations with God Series by: Neale Donald Walsch
-The 13th Planet by: Zechariah Sitchin
-All of Lynda Madden Dahl's books
-Creative Visualization by Shakti Gawain


These were some of my favorites. I'll list some more later after I look through my bookcases.

[halloweenfreak1]

Great! I'll give you a few good suggestions off the top of my head. None of these are catholic based, but they give you some good fodder to build your own belief systems. Look them up on amazon when you get a chance!

-The Nature of Personal Reality by: Jane Roberts
-The Holographic Universe by: Michael Talbot
-The Jesus Code by: John Randolph Price
-How to Know God and The Way of the Wizard by: Deepak Chopra
-The Self Aware Universe by: Maggie Goswami
-The Conversations with God Series by: Neale Donald Walsch
-The 13th Planet by: Zechariah Sitchin
-All of Lynda Madden Dahl's books
-Creative Visualization by Shakti Gawain


These were some of my favorites. I'll list some more later after I look through my bookcases.


thanks, i'll read a few

[Master]

thanks, i'll read a few

Cool. These really present a lot of invaluable information! I wish everyone would take the time to read at least a few of these; they really change your outlook on life, for the better. Write them down and check into them. You won't be sorry.

[slayer666]

I do not believe in any sort of god or other supernatural entities. Before anyone is tempted to ask a series of "Then how do you explain..." questions, I'd like to point out that the burden of proof is on the person making the truth claim (i.e., the theist). The more extraordinary the claim, the more impressive the evidence must be.

Like most atheists, my views are rooted in two observations. First, faith (i.e., belief in something for which there is no evidence and for which contradictory evidence exists) is inherently irrational. Second, religious belief has been and continues to be a force with largely negative effects on humanity.

As far as recommending books, I'll suggest: The End of Faith, The God Delusion, The Jesus Puzzle, and The Demon-Haunted World. For more atheistic book recommendations, see http://atheistrevolution.blogspot.com/

[Disease]

Cool. These really present a lot of invaluable information! I wish everyone would take the time to read at least a few of these; they really change your outlook on life, for the better. Write them down and check into them. You won't be sorry.

Why would I want to change my outlook on life?

You cretin!

[Vodstok]

I havent believed in god in a long long time. i believ in the possibility of god, but that is where it ends. i also believe in the possibility of faries, bigfoot, alternate realities, UFOs, ghosts, living anachronisms (dinosaurs, pliestocene animals, etc), but the big problem for me is objective proof. That is the hard part, you cant prove something like that, so there will always be doubt for me.


Logically, in my view based on the evidence i have seen in my life, man created God, not vice versa.

I used to argue with people about this kind of thing a lot, but i stoppped hanging out with the people who influenced me in that direction and have lived with the live and let live philosophy ever since. Different paths, different destinations.

I know a lot of people who think it is sad not to believe in a creator and an afterlife, they say it makes life meaningless. I dont think there is a meaning to anything that isnt assigned by us, which means life has as much meaning as you give it. Mine happens to have lots of meaning.

[Gus]

http://C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents\My Pictures\Sample Pictures

[Vodstok]

it's certainly not as sad for those (not all christians) that use religion as a crutch instead of developing the inner strenght it takes to deal with problems.

I like to think so.

[Jacob Singer]

My view about GOd??

Well I allways think that must be something "above" us who has strange control in this world. A unknown force. You could call it God, Buda, Alah, Kalih, Gaia or whatever, but it's something uncomprensible for us and anyway we had to kept goin' with our lives. So in my life I took my own decisions, I can respect people and their believes but I dont pay attention on this things cause it hasnt any influence on my life.

[Phalanx]

I don't believe in any particular "form" of god.
I believe that there is SOMETHING, some force or phenomena that made us evolve so differently from the other creatures around us, but that's as far as I'll go...I don't like to rely upon the writings and perceptions of man.
Way I see it, I'm gonna try and do more good than bad in life...generally be a decent kinda guy, and not be out to fuck my fellow man, or the planet over.
I don't have a religion anymore, just a value system.
If that's not good enough for whatever "god" there is out there, I'll gladly say that I want nothing to do with him/her/them/it.

[Twilight_Zone]

My Views on God

I believe there is a god just because i want to think theres more to death than rotting in the ground.That would suck

[Master]

My Views on God

I believe there is a god just because i want to think theres more to death than rotting in the ground.That would suck

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it can only change forms.

[stubbornforgey]

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it can only change forms.

nicely said.

[Master]

nicely said.

Well, that is the bottom line. If you think deeply enough into this, it's proof enough that something exists beyond this life.

[Master]

no when you die there is no more energy ...thats why your dead.


The point that I was making is that it has been proven in physics that pure energy can never be destroyed. Of course, the body is dead, but what animates the body? Do you see what I am getting at?

[Master]

yes i do ...but its all electricity in your brain and body that makes you work... when you die its gone so your dead .

Do you understand what I was saying? When you say "it's gone", what exactly do you mean?

[Master]

well its like your car when you drive it its on running but when you turn it off its dead ...if the bat goes dead the car is dead if your brain shuts off you are dead .


OK. Nevermind.

[Haunted]

You're being such an asshole, and behaving like a fucking fuck up.

I wish that you would go away

[pinkerton]

You're being such an asshole, and behaving like a fucking fuck up.

I wish that you would go away



Why are you so mean?You blasted me for giving ocmdave some shit.Whats with the double standard?

[The_Return]

Why are you so mean?

Maybe because he single handedly fucked up a perfectly good thread?

Not to speak for Haunted or anything...but thats what I'd be pissed at him for.


EDIT - Way to edit your post after I already quoted you:p

[Haunted]

I'm really not. I'm just fed up with Dave fucking up the threads. A lot of people are really mad at Dave for that. Everybody has expressed this. You know this, or should, you don't hijack threads and you sure as hell don't keep doing it.

Pink, I was fucking with you, dude.

[pinkerton]

Maybe because he single handedly fucked up a perfectly good thread?

Not to speak for Haunted or anything...but thats what I'd be pissed at him for.


EDIT - Way to edit your post after I already quoted you:p



lol-sorry about that.Just wanted to make my point a little more clear.

[Phalanx]

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it can only change forms.
I know enough sources say that's been "proven", but I've often wondered...is there an infinite amount of "energy" out there? Where is it located, from how far can it be drawn? What with so many people being born every day I would assume at least some is created, so to speak...Unless of course we're all recycling said energy from all the dead folk...in which case, does it degrade over time? Are WE recycled? Is this then how the whole supposed former life deal happens?
Is life showing the same spark it did 1000 years ago, or are we just like the batteries left on top of the speaker?
Anyways, just a ponderance.
Every time I think about us dying and the energies from which our various systems are comprised dissapating, I think of those little green things in "James and the Giant Peach" wriggling into the ground.

[Master]

I know enough sources say that's been "proven", but I've often wondered...is there an infinite amount of "energy" out there? Where is it located, from how far can it be drawn? What with so many people being born every day I would assume at least some is created, so to speak...Unless of course we're all recycling said energy from all the dead folk...in which case, does it degrade over time? Are WE recycled? Is this then how the whole supposed former life deal happens?
Is life showing the same spark it did 1000 years ago, or are we just like the batteries left on top of the speaker?
Anyways, just a ponderance.
Every time I think about us dying and the energies from which our various systems are comprised dissapating, I think of those little green things in "James and the Giant Peach" wriggling into the ground.


I'm not familiar with your James and the Giant Peach allusion, however the rest of your post is interesting...

In all reality, there simply must be an infinite amount of energy, part of which is being continually recycled to form life on this planet. Where this said energy comes from is a tough subject because the human mind simply does not have the ability to grasp the true concept of infinity... What lies outside of direct experience is very hard for our brains to perceive. It's no wonder that these questions have been plaguing humanity since the beginning of time. We are making progress, sure, but I believe that we have barely even scratched the surface. Did you know that our galaxy contains an estimated one trillionth of the matter present in the universe? Once again it is something that is very difficult to grasp. Anyway, another interesting tidbit for you, and this is not bullshit: Did you know that one cubic centimeter of open space contains more energy than that of a nearly a trillion atomic bombs?

[pinkerton]

Its a bad idea to argue with cheeba..............

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

so if it came down to it, you'd rather one of us tries to get a mass ignore going instead of you ceasing to be a retard and fucking up threads?

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Anyone else read the Tao Te Ching?

I would, but I can't read chinese.

[Phalanx]

Anyone else read the Tao Te Ching?
Yeah...I think that was #41 on the menu?

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

i dont care if you and someother people ignore me... you know i wish that you all would please ignore me... ok... i would love it please ? its not like you do or say anything that i care about anyway...so please dont bother to talk to me anymore ok.

stop ruining the forum k thanks

[pinkerton]

Anyway, back on topic..........

[Master]

Anyway, back on topic..........

Eventually...

[Disease]

yes i should makeway for the greatness that is you babe ...murderdoll for president! oh please miss sunshine show me how to post great stuff like you ...PLEASE!!!

Don't talk to my ladyfriend like that man! ok?

[slayer666]

This is the first time I've heard that some people have a problem with omcdave. I'm a bit surprised. I'm not sure how he can be accused of ruining anything. You certainly can't blame him for the rapid deterioration of most threads into nonsense within a few posts. This extends far beyond the threads to which he contributes. Anyway, omcdave is no bigloader/renob/etc. Ignore him if you want, but I'd be surprised if most others decide to.