You wanna see the devil??

[bunn100]

anyone want to see the devil?

I have a reciting done in the devils language by Alistair Crowley. There is an official government warning about this and I dont think you can get it anywhere (my copy is yonks old) but apparently after listening to the complete reciting you will open gateways for the demons to come through

So if you wanna hear it let me know and I will post it here

[allmykids]

In a movie yes!! In real life HELL NO!! I would like to keep my heart in my chest, my head on my shoulders and my SHORTS CLEAN!!

[bunn100]

Apparently this reciting I have was performed by Alistair Crowley just before he died. It is apparently a summoning spell to the devil himslef.

There was a report about 10 years ago when a man allegedly listened to this reciting and 3 weeks later burnt to death at his home.

If you are wondering, NO I have not listened to it, I managed to listen to about a minute of it but then the room started getting cold and I could hear things (but maybe my imagination was playing tricks).

But if you want to experience it then I will post a link but you have to understand that it is your choice and no circumstances are any anything to do with me.

[Egekrusher]

HELL YES.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Egekrusher
HELL YES.


Hahaha...I figured YOU'D go there...LOL...:D

[mictlan]

Please post the link! I'm intrigued.

[ds_spoon]

yeah bunn i would like u 2 post it

[bunn100]

i will post the link at midnight (another 5 and half hours)

I just want people to understand that this is not a joke and you should be very careful about what you unleash this could and will have a serious impact on your life and you may see things you wish never knew about.

There is no turning back be very careful

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Hahaha...I figured YOU'D go there...LOL...:D


I'm up for experimenting with anything supernatural.

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by bunn100
i will post the link at midnight (another 5 and half hours)

I just want people to understand that this is not a joke and you should be very careful about what you unleash this could and will have a serious impact on your life and you may see things you wish never knew about.

There is no turning back be very careful

:(

Why not now?

[bunn100]

out of respect for something i dont understand and do not wish to experience.

If you know who alistair crowley was then you will know this is not a joke

[bloodrayne]

Before you guys start playing with this stuff, maybe you should read up on Crowley...Have you ever even heard of him?...How about Anton LaVey?...Read this...

__________________________________________________ __

Modern Satanism can only be traced back to 1966 when Anton LaVey shaved his head, performed a ritual and declared the formation of the “Church of Satan.” The religion (or anti-religion if you will) was composed as an answer to organized western religion and culture’s repression of natural instincts and desires.

Major influences of the Satanic Philosophy are as follows:

• The Magick of Aleister Crowley, and the works of the Abbey of Thelema
__________________________________________________ __

You all know that fire is hot...so, you don't play with it....Maybe, you should know something about this, too...AT LEAST listen to "Hotel California" by the Eagles...That was Crowley's place...Yes, it did exist

[bunn100]

I have just read a paragraph in Alistair Crowelys book that talks about the ritual called "the call" (the one I have) this is what it says

"Although Alistair Crowley was a known leader of a satanic cult, many people did not imagine he would ever perform such a demanding and explosive ritual. The ritual named "The Call" is regarded as his masterpeice. Although details of this ritual are still majorly unknown, the effects can be dramatic. The ritual is spoken in Enochian which some believe is the closest language to the devil one can get.

We must stress at this point that this ritual has never been released or will be, copies of Alistair Crowley performing the ritual may exsist however, and if you are unlucky to be in ownership of this ritual you should understand the potential dangers it holds.

Although there is no 'concrete' evidence this ritual has been known to cuase many side-effects most of which are strange and frightening sounds and images but can be as devastating as death itself. Most believers in the works of Alistair Crowley believe that this ritual contacts the devil being itself but to prove such a fact is impossible and most people who have performed the ritual have been unable to tell the tale or unwilling too.

One must understand that if you are prepared to perform "the call" the devastating effects it may have. Even if the result is not death itself the participants will surely lead a damned life with a devilish after-life.

Our warning is clear, if you come in contact with "the call" please be aware of what you are doing"

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Before you guys start playing with this stuff, maybe you should read up on Crowley...Have you ever even heard of him?...How about Anton LaVey?...Read this...

__________________________________________________ __

Modern Satanism can only be traced back to 1966 when Anton LaVey shaved his head, performed a ritual and declared the formation of the “Church of Satan.” The religion (or anti-religion if you will) was composed as an answer to organized western religion and culture’s repression of natural instincts and desires.

Major influences of the Satanic Philosophy are as follows:

• The Magick of Aleister Crowley, and the works of the Abbey of Thelema
__________________________________________________ __

You all know that fire is hot...so, you don't play with it....Maybe, you should know something about this, too...AT LEAST listen to "Hotel California" by the Eagles...That was Crowley's place...Yes, it did exist


I've read The Satanic Bible before. I know who Alistair Crowley is. I do not believe in true evil. I'd love to be proved wrong. I believe in mislead people doing bad things.

[bunn100]

well as I said before I will post the relevant files in 4 hours time

[Egekrusher]

Damn. I was going to play it at work so as to curse everyone within earshot. :)

[bunn100]

I do not mind posting these files but please dont fuck about with them I have listened to half of it and weird shit started to happe (but that might have been my imagination)

But please if I post the links dont fuck about you dont know what you are dealing with

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by bunn100
I do not mind posting these files but please dont fuck about with them I have listened to half of it and weird shit started to happe (but that might have been my imagination)

But please if I post the links dont fuck about you dont know what you are dealing with


I know what I'm dealing with. How did you obtain these recordings? I am very familiar with the "supposed" consequences of the recital of this incantation.

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by Egekrusher
I know what I'm dealing with. How did you obtain these recordings? I am very familiar with the "supposed" consequences of the recital of this incantation.


And I don't mean to be rude or irrational. I just really do know what I'm dealing with here.

[bunn100]

I obtained these files through a friend of the family.

Alistair Crowely used to own a house in scotland and he lived near by I did not ask any questions.

But I have not seen him or heard anything from him in years

[mictlan]

Originally posted by bunn100
But I have not seen him or heard anything from him in years

Maybe because he died in 1947.

Are we talking about "The Call of the First Aethyr" and "The Call of the Second Aethyr"?

[Haunted]

I'm not saying any of this to be mean or hurt feelings. I just was you kats to understand a thing or two before you go trying to summon shit into your house/ parant's house/ roomate's house/ etc.

What the fuck? Crowley was not a Satanist. LaVey was a Satanist for the show of it....or he was just very antiChristian/ordained/organized religion.

What makes you think that Crowley really believed in the Devil? He was called "the Beast" because that's was his fucked up mamma called him that. His whole deal was to be as much again the Golden Dawn as Possible. particularly Mathers. If you don't know who The Golden Dawn is, then you don't know anything about A. Crowely. Therefore, you now have a place to begin.

Al was getting a lot of his ideas from the sixteenth century's John Dee. Dee wrote books and a whole language based around communicating with angels (Enochian) and demons (Goethic). It requires more from you than you have time to do.

Crowley's "masterpiece" was his "translations" of Dee's "keys of the apocalypse." Which, I might point out, he tried but nothing happened. Guess he wasn't so fucking great.

(By the way....those neat little symbols inside of MM's Antichrist Superstar are Enochian symbols. The progression of titles are the progression of Tarot cards from the Fool to the Hierophant.)

HOWEVER, when Crowley wasn't fucked up on whatever type of drug he was experimenting with at the moment, he did come up with some really powerful ideas about the substance and use of magic. Some of these ideas still influence practitioners today. He wasn't evil, he just didn't understand what was so great about goodness. Crowley wasn't a Satanist in the way LaVey wasn't a Satanist: They didn't see anything wrong with the notion of self serving.

Where did Haunted learn all of this happy crappy? I've been a practicing witch for a long, and one of the paths I am most familiar with is the Hermetic path. My former instructors, assholes, though they were, made me read, study, demonstrate, and occasionally write about some of this shit.

Here's where I stop getting upset and start acting concerned:
For the love of your favorite flick DO NOT attempt to call up things into your house that you are not sure what they will be. Do any of your REALLY know how to cast a circle? Do any of you KNOW what a "thoughtform is?" Do any of you KNOW what kind of shit you can emerse yourself in messing with shit like this?

Please use some common sense. I know that you have it.

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by Haunted
I'm not saying any of this to be mean or hurt feelings. I just was you kats to understand a thing or two before you go trying to summon shit into your house/ parant's house/ roomate's house/ etc.

What the fuck? Crowley was not a Satanist. LaVey was a Satanist for the show of it....or he was just very antiChristian/ordained/organized religion.

What makes you think that Crowley really believed in the Devil? He was called "the Beast" because that's was his fucked up mamma called him that. His whole deal was to be as much again the Golden Dawn as Possible. particularly Mathers. If you don't know who The Golden Dawn is, then you don't know anything about A. Crowely. Therefore, you now have a place to begin.

Al was getting a lot of his ideas from the sixteenth century's John Dee. Dee wrote books and a whole language based around communicating with angels (Enochian) and demons (Goethic). It requires more from you than you have time to do.

Crowley's "masterpiece" was his "translations" of Dee's "keys of the apocalypse." Which, I might point out, he tried but nothing happened. Guess he wasn't so fucking great.

(By the way....those neat little symbols inside of MM's Antichrist Superstar are Enochian symbols. The progression of titles are the progression of Tarot cards from the Fool to the Hierophant.)

HOWEVER, when Crowley wasn't fucked up on whatever type of drug he was experimenting with at the moment, he did come up with some really powerful ideas about the substance and use of magic. Some of these ideas still influence practitioners today. He wasn't evil, he just didn't understand what was so great about goodness. Crowley wasn't a Satanist in the way LaVey wasn't a Satanist: They didn't see anything wrong with the notion of self serving.

Where did Haunted learn all of this happy crappy? I've been a practicing witch for a long, and one of the paths I am most familiar with is the Hermetic path. My former instructors, assholes, though they were, made me read, study, demonstrate, and occasionally write about some of this shit.

Here's where I stop getting upset and start acting concerned:
For the love of your favorite flick DO NOT attempt to call up things into your house that you are not sure what they will be. Do any of your REALLY know how to cast a circle? Do any of you KNOW what a "thoughtform is?" Do any of you KNOW what kind of shit you can emerse yourself in messing with shit like this?

Please use some common sense. I know that you have it.


I'm already doomed and damned to burn in Hell for the rest of eternity anyways, and I really don't give two shits what happens to me.

[Egekrusher]

When I do this, there will be no circle, no blessings, nothing. I care not about self protection.

[Egekrusher]

Yeah, I'm a little... messed up. I know.

[bloodygurl02]

Originally posted by Haunted
I'm not saying any of this to be mean or hurt feelings. I just was you kats to understand a thing or two before you go trying to summon shit into your house/ parant's house/ roomate's house/ etc.

What the fuck? Crowley was not a Satanist. LaVey was a Satanist for the show of it....or he was just very antiChristian/ordained/organized religion.

What makes you think that Crowley really believed in the Devil? He was called "the Beast" because that's was his fucked up mamma called him that. His whole deal was to be as much again the Golden Dawn as Possible. particularly Mathers. If you don't know who The Golden Dawn is, then you don't know anything about A. Crowely. Therefore, you now have a place to begin.

Al was getting a lot of his ideas from the sixteenth century's John Dee. Dee wrote books and a whole language based around communicating with angels (Enochian) and demons (Goethic). It requires more from you than you have time to do.

Crowley's "masterpiece" was his "translations" of Dee's "keys of the apocalypse." Which, I might point out, he tried but nothing happened. Guess he wasn't so fucking great.

(By the way....those neat little symbols inside of MM's Antichrist Superstar are Enochian symbols. The progression of titles are the progression of Tarot cards from the Fool to the Hierophant.)

HOWEVER, when Crowley wasn't fucked up on whatever type of drug he was experimenting with at the moment, he did come up with some really powerful ideas about the substance and use of magic. Some of these ideas still influence practitioners today. He wasn't evil, he just didn't understand what was so great about goodness. Crowley wasn't a Satanist in the way LaVey wasn't a Satanist: They didn't see anything wrong with the notion of self serving.

Where did Haunted learn all of this happy crappy? I've been a practicing witch for a long, and one of the paths I am most familiar with is the Hermetic path. My former instructors, assholes, though they were, made me read, study, demonstrate, and occasionally write about some of this shit.

Here's where I stop getting upset and start acting concerned:
For the love of your favorite flick DO NOT attempt to call up things into your house that you are not sure what they will be. Do any of your REALLY know how to cast a circle? Do any of you KNOW what a "thoughtform is?" Do any of you KNOW what kind of shit you can emerse yourself in messing with shit like this?

Please use some common sense. I know that you have it.

i have to agree w/ haunted. u don't know what u r messing w/ so don't do it unless u know waht u r doing and i doubt some of yous do. please use common sense b4 u unlesh something in to your house tht u can't handle. i have heard what this can do to people cuz i had a friend mess w/ this stuff and it went bad cuz she didn't know waht she was doing. so please everyone use caution on this. don't treat it as joke as some ppl from waht i read r by saying it will not happen to me. b careful everyone.

[somedude]

Post em already !!

[MichaelMyers]

Fuckin' awesome. :)

What do you do, recite it alone in a dark room? That question I meant seriously, not saracastic.

[MichaelMyers]

Ohhh you have to listen to it....how long is it? I guess I should listen with my back to my computer eh.... :D

[Haunted]

Originally posted by Egekrusher
Yeah, I'm a little... messed up. I know.

No you're not. :I quote Jack Burton's monologue: Okay, that being said, we care. As hokey and silly, (and let's face it, girly) as that sounds, its true. Besides, I have a feeling that if some fuckhead was about to beat you up, you'd probably kick his ass, right? So see, you do care about self-preservation. :cool:

[Arioch]

I believe in mislead people doing bad things.

I hear that.

Seems there is alot of preaching being done here, if someone wants to take a chance on something they dont understand its their own problem right?

Post the link, lets be irresponisible, weve all read the disclaimers...

[LegionFilms]

"Bring it on" -Joe from Family Guy

[bunn100]

lol I like it Arioch.

I just dont want people coming back to me saying 'what have you done to me I have now got 5 arms and 4 noses' lol

The link will be posted as soon as I can upload them to my website (having some technical difficulties)

[LegionFilms]

Well I was talking to Bunn on MSN about this and he sent the wavs to me over the messenger. After following his instructions I started up the chant wav, by then, I was already nervous. I got about 25 seconds into it when the ground began to vibrate. I stopped the wav and then tryed to figure out what that was. I never really found out but it might have been my sub. Anyway, I started it again and this time the ground wasnt shaking. Yet there were 2 things that were kinda weird. The first thing was, I was getting paranoid so I turned to look beind me and there's a mirror there. In the mirror I could see a dark redish glow coming from where me speakers are, I turned out and the speaker was regular. The second, and most weird, thing happend after I finished both segments. I walked over to the light switched and turned it on. Just then, the light went out with a pop. Now I dont know if all that shit was coincedence but it sure was freaky. Bunn had to hit the sack w/o success on posting the wavs, but I am working on getting them up now.

EDIT- If anyone wants them directly I can send them with AIM or MSN (KaptainJoker on AIM, [email protected] on MSN)

[LegionFilms]

Ok, I cant get the wavs online either tonight so if you want the link just wait for Bunn to get it up later. However I can send it to anyone in an email if they want it before.

[MichaelMyers]

Okay...getting ready to try this out.....will report back my findings, if I'm still alive...wish me luck. ;)

[meetthecreeper]

Originally I was not happy with what I wrote, and deleted it, but maybe I should have left it anyway, without casting the proper circles and using the proper protection you are just setting yourself up for trouble. Perhaps not today, but as I said prepare to reap the whirlwinds my friends.

[LegionFilms]

Are you serious with that shit ^?

[meetthecreeper]

Very Serious. Fun is fun but I wouldnt joke around about this.

[LegionFilms]

Ok

[LegionFilms]

This is all over the net if you just search -> like this (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=The+Call+of+the+First+Aethyr&btnG=Google+Search)

[MichaelMyers]

Listened to it straight through, TWICE, with the volume up....NOTHING happened.

Some of y'all need to get ahold of yourselves. :cool:

[bloodygurl02]

Originally posted by meetthecreeper
Very Serious. Fun is fun but I wouldnt joke around about this.

would u guys please listen to what creeper and haunted has said about this. i wouldn't joke around either w/ shit like this. they know waht they r talking about so just listen and don't mess w/ things u won't have control over

[LegionFilms]

It wasn't that bad

[teenagezombie]

people please.......nothing will happen......its all fairy tale bullshit

[ICPloser]

yea not to insult anyone, but IMO, this is just crap, there is no witchcraft there is no "supernatural powers" man once again IMO there is no god and no Satan, its nothing i will listen to it over nad over nothings happening, i will even listen to it on the airplane i go on in a month for a flight that is over 22 hours, and i guarentee i will land safely, this is nothing

[ICPloser]

wait something did happen, a download on kazaa i have been waiting to start for a few days just did......spooky man spooky :p

[teenagezombie]

Originally posted by ICPloser
yea not to insult anyone, but IMO, this is just crap, there is no witchcraft there is no "supernatural powers" man once again IMO there is no god and no Satan, its nothing i will listen to it over nad over nothings happening

same here......no noises, no lights, no satan, no nothing.......just me and my cpu......and the darkness

[VampRocker]

I didn't listen to it, but the idea of it all sounds pretty...unbelievable...

[Arioch]

wait something did happen, a download on kazaa i have been waiting to start for a few days just did......spooky man spooky

LMAO nice!!

[VampRocker]

Originally posted by Arioch
LMAO nice!!

Haha! Yeah, that was pretty funny...

Damn you, Kazaa!

[Haunted]

Originally posted by meetthecreeper
Very Serious. Fun is fun but I wouldnt joke around about this.

Succinct. Tactful. Thank you. I couldn't have put it better myself.

[teenagezombie]

Originally posted by ICPloser
wait something did happen, a download on kazaa i have been waiting to start for a few days just did......spooky man spooky :p

something happened to me also........i found my mom's diamond earings that i thought i had misplaced.....just laying under my chuckydoll.......and i could've swore i looked there like 50 times...........dont know if i should be scared shitless....or grateful:confused:

[Sick_As_Fuck]

Originally posted by bunn100
anyone want to see the devil?

I have a reciting done in the devils language by Alistair Crowley. There is an official government warning about this and I dont think you can get it anywhere (my copy is yonks old) but apparently after listening to the complete reciting you will open gateways for the demons to come through

So if you wanna hear it let me know and I will post it here

Hell yes. Post it.

[SoUl SuRvIvOrS]

WTF.. Im gone on vacation ..get back and the whole forum has lost their fucking minds...I totally agree with creeper and Haunted..this might not be something everyone believes in and I sure alot of you are skeptial(sp?) about but..WTF..anything that clearly is labeled summoning and Devil together (unless a flick of course) dont fuck with it..Bunn it might not be too wise to post the link there are alot of kids on here (no Im not calling everyone a kid...but there are alot of YOUNGER people on here). For those of you that have listened and nothing happened Im glad nothing tragic has happened but obviously your lives are not over..there may still be more to come...you might wanna take warning..with this...any how....yea what ever...Happy belated FUCKING NEW YEAR!!!!;)

[LegionFilms]

Originally posted by SoUl SuRvIvOrS
Bunn it might not be too wise to post the link

It's all over the internet...they even sell a CD with chants like this on it...

[Sam The Egg]

superstitious bastards

[SoUl SuRvIvOrS]

Originally posted by Sam The Egg
superstitious bastards
HELL YEAH..if you've seen what I have of done what I have you would too.....I know it's posted all over the net...but if they wanna look it up and they actually know what it's called...FUCK IT..but why introduce them to something if they have know idea what it is...why make anything easier....Just my opinion:rolleyes:

[Sam The Egg]

listening to shit on your computer won't call the devil

[MichaelMyers]

Day 2 and I feel great. It's supposed to take up to 4 weeks though, right? Like how in "The Ring" it takes seven days? Before you die you hear...the chant. lol :D

[VampRocker]

Originally posted by MichaelMyers
Day 2 and I feel great. It's supposed to take up to 4 weeks though, right? Like how in "The Ring" it takes seven days? Before you die you hear...the chant. lol :D

You messin' with the devil, boy!:rolleyes:

[Sam The Egg]

wouldn't it be cool if before you died you got a 5 minute warning? It'd especially be cool if you could do something with the 5 minutes, like if you weren't hooked up to a dialasis (sp?) machine. I'd go on a 5 minute rant in a big public place supporting racism, anti-gay everything, pro-life, PETA, vegitarianism, hippies, baptists, evertying I hate. Then just before my time was up I'd say "And if everything I've said isn't true in the least, may God strike me DEAD!" and keel over and die. That should show those cocksuckers.

[LegionFilms]

That was creative. ^

[Sick_As_Fuck]

Post it! Post it! Post it!

[teenagezombie]

its supposed to take up to 4 weeks for anything to happen? what the fuck kinda summoning spell is that?

but its all FAIRYTALE BULLSHIT! not true....nothing will happen

[fluffho]

hey i can do that shit to


ahh zeh meh ya na na... oog ga mo la da ta....sa na ta bo arg ga

fuckin a.

[SoUl SuRvIvOrS]

^ damn your a pro..now publish a book telling all the little kiddies how the demons came to you and caused apocolyptic terror in your life.....hehehhehehe LOL;) :)

[fluffho]

should i make it pop up?

[Freddy Krueger.]

. . . Woah, a lot of people must want to see the devil or somthing for this topic as much as they have.

[rikki]

Anton LaVey was a complete and utter joke. He was a liar and, in general, an idiot and a bad person. He abused the women in his life, and even some who weren't.

Where's this link at? It's way past midnight!

[billbundix]

some people will believe anything. and yet they think religious people are crazy. If crowley or levay did accomplish anything in their lives other than to help spawn a whole generation of losers, i assure you would have heard of it before now.

[-Corn_Dude-]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah... let's hear some really scary old Latin language chanting, preferably with a real deeeeeep basso voice, that will send the devil himself up our butts. Yesireeeee, post it right here, dude, i got some scores to settle with that fat redass bastard.

Geez... as if the "our miners dug into the center of the earth and recorderded the screams from hell itself" (Parental advisory! Not for the squeamish of heart... REALLY...! You will just DIE when you hear it!...) from JesusHatesSmut.com wasn't enough already. My stomach's laughing membrane couldn't take much more.

[Sam The Egg]

Wanna see the devil? Well, by riding the snake, I found out I'm the Devil! And I will wash over the Earth, and the seas will run red with all the blood of all its sinners! I am reborn! And I've got YOU to thank, Jimmy Tango!

[Digital Murders]

Nothing can get as bad as things are for me now.....where do I find it?

I don't want to go through the whole thread looking for it.

[Popcorn King]

Careful now, young 'uns! You get that ol' Debil in you and you have a hell of a time gettin' him out.

If you already got that ol' Scratch in you, just give me a call and I'll come right over and beat you with my Exorcising Stick.

Praise Jebus!

[Haunted]

Originally posted by billbundix
some people will believe anything. and yet they think religious people are crazy. If crowley or levay did accomplish anything in their lives other than to help spawn a whole generation of losers, i assure you would have heard of it before now.

I'm generally a nice person, but something like this makes me bitchy. I mean, do you even have half a clue of what in the cornbread hell you're talking about? Have you ever read anything by Crowley? I appreciate your right not to believe in anything. That's fine, but you can't begin to qualify your statement with anything remotely intelligent other than saying people who enjoy or are knowledgeable on Crowley are losers?? You can't.

Listen folks, this is the last thing I'm going to say on this line: You have every right to disbelieve in whatever the hell you disbelieve in. More power to you. However, you should extend the same right to folks who do believe in whatever the hell they believe in.

People who believe in the occult don't run around going, "Shit man, all those fuckers who don't believe in anything are losers."

Don't even say that you're open minded.

[rikki]

I thought a website or something was being posted...

[Digital Murders]

Originally posted by rikki
I thought a website or something was being posted...

Yeah, seriously?

Where are the goods?

[devilsbackbone]

sounds good to me! so u kno him personally? yeah i talked to some demons the other day and they gave me pigs blood and well i personally like goats blood but eh ya cant always get wat u want. im just messn w/ you! but that is weird scripturers from the ancient times, makes me wonder if youre lieing? well, not lieing just messing with ppls heads! its fun isnt it! although some ppl may not take this lightly but i like it ya kno the whold devil thing. yeah he exsists but if you cant joke aboot a religion then wats the point of having one?:D

[meetthecreeper]

Originally posted by Haunted
I'm generally a nice person, but something like this makes me bitchy. I mean, do you even have half a clue of what in the cornbread hell you're talking about? Have you ever read anything by Crowley? I appreciate your right not to believe in anything. That's fine, but you can't begin to qualify your statement with anything remotely intelligent other than saying people who enjoy or are knowledgeable on Crowley are losers?? You can't.

Listen folks, this is the last thing I'm going to say on this line: You have every right to disbelieve in whatever the hell you disbelieve in. More power to you. However, you should extend the same right to folks who do believe in whatever the hell they believe in.

People who believe in the occult don't run around going, "Shit man, all those fuckers who don't believe in anything are losers."

Don't even say that you're open minded.

I was going to leave myself out of this one but I totally agree with what you are saying Haunted.

First and foremost most of you probably havent read anything by Crowley, LaVey, Morrison, Cunningham, Moura or anything else concerning the occult for that matter.

the only things you probably know a bout Crowley are what you heard Ozzy singing about.

Your guys ignorant attitudes is something else, if calling people losers is the best you can do, maybe you should take a look in the mirror.

I personally have been involved in a religion that is not mainstream for nearly 20 years. I am in no way shape or form a loser. In fact I am doing quite well for myself thank you very much. I have probalby achieved more than most ever will and I have my beliefs in part to thank for that.

So while we are all still friends here, lets just let the whole issue die already. And if it something you think you want to be involved in go to the library and read Crowley, before you say something you have no idea what you are talking about.

I am sure this is going to bring on the flame war, but I am going to sit this one out and be mature about it.

[meetthecreeper]

Originally posted by devilsbackbone
sounds good to me! so u kno him personally? yeah i talked to some demons the other day and they gave me pigs blood and well i personally like goats blood but eh ya cant always get wat u want. im just messn w/ you! but that is weird scripturers from the ancient times, makes me wonder if youre lieing? well, not lieing just messing with ppls heads! its fun isnt it! although some ppl may not take this lightly but i like it ya kno the whold devil thing. yeah he exsists but if you cant joke aboot a religion then wats the point of having one?:D

Sure you can joke about religion, I joke about mine all the time, its all in fun but not believing in the mainstream doesnt make you a loser as some have said. And no I dont know the Devil on a personal level, he/she wouldnt want to deal with the likes of me anyway.

[billbundix]

O.K. sorry, maybe i was a little to quick to pass judgement. i had just gotten home from a 16 hour shift and i wasnt thinking too clearly. maybe what i should have said was that people should not believe everything they read. Crowley was great at what he did, and i'm sure he truely believed in everything he wrote and did. but, he wasnt as original as everyone wants to believe. what crowley was best at was traveling around, meeting a lot of people with a lot of different ideals, and choosing the ones that he believed he could market. the man had to make a living. i mean he was practically the "jimmy swaggart" of the occultists, he used sex, drugs, and a vivid imagination to manipulate weak minded people into doing his bidding. which is great, more power to him. as far as lavey is concerned, i cant say that i respect him as much. he used even less imagination, although he still accomplished his goals. but never the less, if either of them had found a way to communicate with "satan", surely you would have heard of it by now.

[meetthecreeper]

Originally posted by billbundix
O.K. sorry, maybe i was a little to quick to pass judgement. i had just gotten home from a 16 hour shift and i wasnt thinking too clearly. maybe what i should have said was that people should not believe everything they read. Crowley was great at what he did, and i'm sure he truely believed in everything he wrote and did. but, he wasnt as original as everyone wants to believe. what crowley was best at was traveling around, meeting a lot of people with a lot of different ideals, and choosing the ones that he believed he could market. the man had to make a living. i mean he was practically the "jimmy swaggart" of the occultists, he used sex, drugs, and a vivid imagination to manipulate weak minded people into doing his bidding. which is great, more power to him. as far as lavey is concerned, i cant say that i respect him as much. he used even less imagination, although he still accomplished his goals. but never the less, if either of them had found a way to communicate with "satan", surely you would have heard of it by now.

Thanks for the apology, it is accepted, I understand that things can get rough sometimes and you say things before you think, I am guilty of this also. First I want to say Crowley was not a satanist, nor am I a satanist. I practice a religion that has been persecuted for hundreds of years from the inqusition to the Salem witch trials. So it gets under my skin a little when people, who usually dont know what they are speaking of critize my beliefs or others. I could go on and on about Christianitys faults, from the Crusades to the latest Catholic church scandals, but I dont. I keep my thoughts to my inner circles and dont publicly bash any religion no matter how much I disagree with it. There are bad apples in all sects and beliefs and they give the rest of us a bad name. Witches dont turn people into toads, we dont summon or worship the devil, and we dont send our familiars to steal the breath from babies. It can all be traced to ignorance or fear and fear is usually derived from that ignorance. Sure it may seem strange to some that people of India consider a cow sacred, or the people of the orient worship Budda, or the aboriginies in Austrailia consider the Earth as their mother, and it may seem strange to some that I practice Wicca or Witchcraft for those who are not familiar with the term. But one thing is certain, I dont want anyone to harm themselves with things they dont understand. Sorry if I sound preachy not trying to just would like everyone to understand where I am coming from.

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