Global Warming

[D-Fens]

Hey people, some of you are more than likeley to know about global warming nowadays, well i only recently watched "An Inconvenient Truth" and am starting to worry, would anyone else agree that this is becoming more than a major issue, it wont effect the world it will erase it and i think we should all stop acting like it will sort itself out.

[Despare]

Warming trends have occured for centuries, I think we give ourselves too much credit. I believe that people will be gone long before the Earth and that the Earth will heal any scars we leave behind in time.

[Roderick Usher]

I'm going to Al Gore's golden globe after party tonight!!!!!

[XtRaVa]

Nice :D

Global Warming is definately happening. In england like last summer we had the hottest day in hundreds of years but to show its not just a cycle of the earth the average temperature has risen a lot too. Our summers used to only get up to about 28-30 C but now they are getting around 35-40 C.

Not a lot of people know, but the UK has the highest frequency of tornados per unit area out of the whole world, however they are the tiny kind, we basically never get the big ones like USA. I think the last one like that before recently was several centuries or hundreds of years ago (not sure the of the date) and it was basically the only one ever known (that was big) yet we've had 2 big american style tornados in the last year. It cant be a coincidence that weather is becomming so strange and getting much more violent around the planet.

[Despare]

Hottest average temperature in the US was set in 1936...

[monalisa]

I watched "An Inconvenient Truth" too, and it does have some pretty compelling information regarding global warming.

I used to think it was just a cyclical thing that the earth naturally goes through, and there is some truth to that, however, their statistics show that the warm period we are experiencing now is WAY warmer than the normal warm period experienced in past centuries.

I'm not a scientist, so I cannot say how accurate the facts are that have been found by the scientists involved in making the movie, but I would say watch the movie and decide for yourself. I don't think it's something that should be just conveniently ignored.

[stubbornforgey]

we are all gonna die
just make sure your wearing clean underwear when it happens.

[Death_for_all]

god damn global warming gave me heat stroke i was stuck in download festival outside in 36 degrees all day long for 3 days

[Elvis_Christ]

we should all stop acting like it will sort itself out

Like a lot of things.
Or else just write a cheque to Bono.

I'm not being a smartass posting the first two: http://www.pewclimate.org/global-warming-basics/kidspage.cfm
http://tiki.oneworld.net/global_warming/climate_home.html?gclid=CPO9-tb15IkCFR8JYAodljE9Fw
http://www.stopglobalwarming.org/default.asp
http://www.greenpeace.org/international/campaigns/climate-change

[XtRaVa]

I dont know how people can think its not happening...Theres proof that the hole in the ozone layer is getting bigger due to greenhouse gases and theres proof that icebergs are melting and the sea level IS rising. Saying its the earths natural cycle is a great excuse to keep living like fucking slobs and a cancer of the planet but the greenhouse effect contributes to global warming and thats one thing that 100% is happening. People that say nothing is wrong or its natural hopefully will die first due to us ruining the planet ;)

[Vodstok]

I dont know how people can think its not happening...Theres proof that the hole in the ozone layer is getting bigger due to greenhouse gases and theres proof that icebergs are melting and the sea level IS rising. Saying its the earths natural cycle is a great excuse to keep living like fucking slobs and a cancer of the planet but the greenhouse effect contributes to global warming and thats one thing that 100% is happening. People that say nothing is wrong or its natural hopefully will die first due to us ruining the planet ;)

I agree. It's kind of like saying "People get fatter as they get older, anyway" to avoid cutting back on fast food, drinking , smoking, etc...

[Elvis_Christ]

No one cares what's left once there dead, its someone elses problem. Complacant, selfish generations fucking it up for the ones to come.

[Vodstok]

No one cares what's left once there dead, its someone elses problem. Complacant, selfish generations fucking it up for the ones to come.

The beauty now, is that most projections i have seen anyway, put the beginning of the really nasty shit easily within our lifetimes.

Even if it wasnt, its not like i want to ruin my house before leaving it to my kid. Pick up, make it nice. i look forward to hydrogen powered vehicles and fusion reactors. It is much cooler than internal combustion engines and coal. smells better.

Plus, i long for a day when even big bad-ass motorcycles dont wake me up from 2 miles away because some asshole needs to show he has balls by being noisy.

[stygianwitch]

Little people like us do what we can with recycling and the use of cfc free stuff etc. It helps but not much

Until Governments and large Corporations cease to make huge amounts of money from their activities nothing will change, IMO that's where the major problem lies and nothing we say or do will make any difference to them

I also think that when the planet has had enough she'll heal herself, then most of humanity will probably be wiped out, and given that as human beings we feel a superiority over all other forms of life i doubt very much that we'll learn from the lesson

[Vodstok]

Little people like us do what we can with recycling and the use of cfc free stuff etc. It helps but not much

Until Governments and large Corporations cease to make huge amounts of money from their activities nothing will change, IMO that's where the major problem lies and nothing we say or do will make any difference to them

I also think that when the planet has had enough she'll heal herself, then most of humanity will probably be wiped out, and given that as human beings we feel a superiority over all other forms of life i doubt very much that we'll learn from the lesson

Well, DVDs and hybrids tooka awhile to get popular, and most major auto manufacturers now have Hydrogen powered test vehicles, so its opnly a matter of time. Just think, if you can make fuel for next to nothing, and appeals to all of us eco-freaks, then make them affordable, even conservatives who dont like them will eventually get drawn in, i ffor no other reason than eventually the bottom line will appeal to them. I dont care how much someone wants to say the ozone is fine and global warming is nothing, driving a week off of a tank of fuel that makes no smell and no noise is just too good to pass up.

To my knowledge, they are going so far as to make hydrogen engines that incorporate the "hydrogen farming" technology into them, so as it produces water to power the car, it is already taking that water and "breaking" the hydrogen out of it to refuel the tank. It may not be perpetual motion, but it is damn close.

[Roderick Usher]

There are still billions of dollars worth of oil in the ground and until it is exhausted, it will be rammed down our throats.

It's not like the oil companies are just going to quit production. They will milk it until the teat runs dry

The state of Texas alone is planning on implementing a half-dozen new COAL FIRED power plants this year and China, Jesus Christ... their burning coal like it's Victorian London

Can't wait to see how the Olympic Athletes react to the AQI in Beijing in '08

[Vodstok]

Can't wait to see how the Olympic Athletes react to the AQI in Beijing in '08

"Look at that! The godamn snowboarders are on Pot again, i know it."
"Nope. it's black-lung."

What kills me is that no one seems to want to acknowledge that for the first decade or four that we actually have affordable hydrogen powered vehicles, oil will still be used to make the plastics and polymers that make up 90% of the components in the vehicles....

[stygianwitch]

That's what i'm talking about, no way i'll ever believe that they don't have a substitute all ready to go, but until the oil/coal etc. actually runs out there's no way in hell they'll use it.... too much money in fossil fuels

[Dark Lord Bwahaha]

One visible effect of global warming right now is the documented deaths of many polar bears because the ice is melting too rapidly.

Here's part of an article from the Wall Street Journal:

Scientists for the first time have documented multiple deaths of polar bears off Alaska, where they likely drowned after swimming long distances in the ocean amid the melting of the Arctic ice shelf. The bears spend most of their time hunting and raising their young on ice floes.

In a quarter-century of aerial surveys of the Alaskan coastline before 2004, researchers from the U.S. Minerals Management Service said they typically spotted a lone polar bear swimming in the ocean far from ice about once every two years. Polar-bear drownings were so rare that they have never been documented in the surveys.

But in September 2004, when the polar ice cap had retreated a record 160 miles north of the northern coast of Alaska, researchers counted 10 polar bears swimming as far as 60 miles offshore. Polar bears can swim long distances but have evolved to mainly swim between sheets of ice, scientists say.



The whole article is here:
http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB113452435089621905-vnekw47PQGtDyf3iv5XEN71_o5I_20061214.html

[XtRaVa]

Heres an english advert we have about it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHDL3CIbhas

It's a shame that one of the biggest producers of these gases (USA) wont sign up to decrease their emissions and yet england and europe etc are all doing it. Sort it out america ffs.

[Haunted]

Unfortunately, various and sundry people keep voting oil barons and various other corporate fuck ups into office, and it's interesting to note that these same grandiose politicians are affiliated with right-wing Christians and/or their values. You see they have many Americans blind sided.

I was telling Zwoti this the other day that I'm really disillusioned with the US, even as an American. Looking at what we've done on a global level is craptacular, to quote Bart Simpson, but if you look at our own nation... It's a joke. Maybe it's the pissings of this current administration, or maybe it's the realization the democracy doesn't work. My bro and I had a discussion and he thinks that all political systems are a joke because they go completely against human nature.

The rest of the world can help by stop capitalizing off of our capitalism. We can all help the environment by stopping our consumption of goods from other nations who don't support of the needs of this planet. The Germans, as has been pointed out, have developed a hydrogen engine. They did that years ago, but it hasn't caught on because of the idiots in the US and the Middle East. By switching to hydrogen not only would we put a huge cramp in their wallets, but make a huge difference in the environment. It's not the emissions, drilling for oil is destructive to ecology on a massive scale.

To say that global warming is a gradual process that occurs over time is as ludicrous as saying our current mass extinction is just another mass extinction like the one at the end of the Pleistoncene era. The interesting thing is, the mass extinction then was a process, due to evolution. The mass extinction now is due to over consumption, over population (of humans), over development, and total disregard on our part. Global warming is a piece of this.

To even toss this off lackadaisically is dangerous. Yes, the planet's temperature has been changing for the 4-6 billion years that the Earth has been around. The gasses in the atmosphere have been changing, but we're talking very gradual and in a manner that is conducive for survival. This is not gradual, this is extreme, and not conducive for the survival of most species. If you look at the history of differents eras of evolution, life, and geologic time, we've been here a second. It's not time yet. The pattern doesn't flow. No one can tell me that this is just the way it is. We, as humans, are fucking up in a major way.

[ShankS]

Cows and sheep fart to much, methane builds up in the atmosphere. The future problem with this is, if too many cows fart and global warming continues, the weather will get so hot the methane will ignite and the whole planet will be consumed by fire, rather like the earth hitting the Sun.

[Haunted]

Info for Americans: H.R.6 2007, Clean Energy Act is going before the House (110). This Act deals with energy reform, putting major subsidies on oil companies, and other ways to deal with global warming. Write your Rep.

[XtRaVa]

Let's hope that soon basically the whole world is on board with stopping so many emissions and just generally being a lot greener. If huge contributors to the problem dont offer to help out, then what all the other countries are doing will barely make a difference. It may suck but it needs to be done, sooner rather than later.

[The Mothman]

personally, i try not to think about it. shit freaks me out.

[Despare]

Not all Christians disagree with global warming. In fact, even some of the extreme are aboard to fight against it.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070118/ap_on_sc/evangelicals_global_warming_1

[Cadaver]

Cows and sheep fart to much, methane builds up in the atmosphere. The future problem with this is, if too many cows fart and global warming continues, the weather will get so hot the methane will ignite and the whole planet will be consumed by fire, rather like the earth hitting the Sun.
Thats a bonus for us meat eaters...... the answer is Eat More MEAT!

[davidd60]

this is a serious issue, hundreds of miles are going to be under water in 50 years and millions of people will be dead, thats going to suck, unless we do something about it, but doesnt really look like anyone is going to do something about it

[Cadaver]

Theres not much I can do about. I can't afford an electric car.