Unrealistic Movies

[Shady]

Does anyone share this with me. I cannot get into unrealistic movies. The second I see someone fly or anything of that sort my mind wanders. I cannot get into a movie that cannot happen in real life. One great example would be Hellraiser. Very popular series and I have seen them all but I literally had to force myself to finish them all. I like movies such as Bone Collector, Seven, or even classic thrillers such as Les Diaboliques. One of my favorites has gotta be Spoorloos, outstanding movie. I also like movies with hauntings such as "The Haunting" and "The Shining". When it comes down to Sci-Fi or fantasy movies thats it. I will watch them to give em a go but the outcome is never pretty. I respect the movies and still give them credit because I will admit some of them are masterpeices but I just can't get into them. Does anyone else share this with me?

[Despare]

Sorry to hear that. Being able to open your mind and your imagination to new worlds and beings is an exciting experience.

[The Flayed One]

Sorry to hear that. Being able to open your mind and your imagination to new worlds and beings is an exciting experience.

Agreed. In my world, by your standards you've narrowed yourself down to serial killer flicks. I think ghosts & possessions are just as far out there as monsters. To each his own, I guess, but I think the slasher genre would get boring after awhile.

[Nchantress]

Does anyone share this with me. I cannot get into unrealistic movies. The second I see someone fly or anything of that sort my mind wanders. I cannot get into a movie that cannot happen in real life. One great example would be Hellraiser. Very popular series and I have seen them all but I literally had to force myself to finish them all. I like movies such as Bone Collector, Seven, or even classic thrillers such as Les Diaboliques. One of my favorites has gotta be Spoorloos, outstanding movie. I also like movies with hauntings such as "The Haunting" and "The Shining". When it comes down to Sci-Fi or fantasy movies thats it. I will watch them to give em a go but the outcome is never pretty. I respect the movies and still give them credit because I will admit some of them are masterpeices but I just can't get into them. Does anyone else share this with me?

I get what you're saying, but no I don't think I totally agree. Sometimes I want that impossible element to things, makes it more scary to me. Really, who knows what is real and what isn't. The idea that what we know as "normal" may be fake or even not reality is disturbing, I like it!

However and maybe this is cause I'm a chick, I can't stand random boobs in horror movies. Okie, don't get all up in arms. Boobs are boobs, yay, but when they kind of pop up (no pun intended) it shocks me out of what I'm watching. Then I kind of lose my respect for the director/writer/whoever because I don't feel like they had enough faith in the horror and film making so they put in a couple few boobs.
*Possible spoiler* Hostel for instance. We waited for that to come on On Demand for EVER, then we watch it and the first half is boobs, sex, and couchie. Great if I'm sitting down to porn, but when I'm all geared up for cutting and beating and torture, I do not want to see a bunch of naked chicks. Especially when they're not being tortured. I have boobs, I know what they look like, I get it. I wanna see blood and guts and scary spooky stuff. The Ring, Children of the Corn, no boobs--but they scared the hell out of me.

Now boobs make sense sometimes. Friday the 13th=boobs, and in Carrie, it was a symbolic scene.
Whew, maybe I should go to the boobs page.

[stubbornforgey]

exactly..i cracked up so much when i 1st saw hidden dragon.
The hype about it was soooooooooo incredible..i just HAD to see it..

I cracked up so hard at the 1st fight scene..
turned it off and have never watched it again.
I know that we live in a virtual world where nothing is as it seems and as anavid horror fan..the unexpected is always greeted with a dive under the blankie.
BUT RUNNING UP WALLS LIKE FUCKEN SPIDERMAN!!!
spidey would not be happy with that :o
shit!!

[Shady]

I get what you're saying, but no I don't think I totally agree. Sometimes I want that impossible element to things, makes it more scary to me. Really, who knows what is real and what isn't. The idea that what we know as "normal" may be fake or even not reality is disturbing, I like it!

However and maybe this is cause I'm a chick, I can't stand random boobs in horror movies. Okie, don't get all up in arms. Boobs are boobs, yay, but when they kind of pop up (no pun intended) it shocks me out of what I'm watching. Then I kind of lose my respect for the director/writer/whoever because I don't feel like they had enough faith in the horror and film making so they put in a couple few boobs.
*Possible spoiler* Hostel for instance. We waited for that to come on On Demand for EVER, then we watch it and the first half is boobs, sex, and couchie. Great if I'm sitting down to porn, but when I'm all geared up for cutting and beating and torture, I do not want to see a bunch of naked chicks. Especially when they're not being tortured. I have boobs, I know what they look like, I get it. I wanna see blood and guts and scary spooky stuff. The Ring, Children of the Corn, no boobs--but they scared the hell out of me.

Now boobs make sense sometimes. Friday the 13th=boobs, and in Carrie, it was a symbolic scene.
Whew, maybe I should go to the boobs page.

I agree with you. Some movies it is necessary but for example the most recent movie I saw Open Water just shows some random chick laying in the bed nude. Just utterly and completely unnecessary. If someone wants to see a naked chick go rent a porn movie. I think nudity in horror movies or any movie is unnecessary.

[Nchantress]

Exactly!
So what movies (by title) do you like? And why?

[Despare]

Some movies it is necessary

I think nudity in horror movies or any movie is unnecessary.


Are you fucking high?

[Shady]

Exactly!
So what movies (by title) do you like? And why?

I like to many to name but heres a nice list of some of my tops.

-Spoorloos
-Seven
-Bone Collector
-House On Haunted Hill
-Psycho
-Les Diaboliques
-Scream
-Hills Have Eyes Remake (Im surprised I actually liked this)
-House Of 1000 Corpses
-Devil's Rejects
-Exorcist
-Halloween
-The Shining
-Saw
-Black Christmas
-Texas Chainsaw Massacre 74

[Nchantress]

Ah ha! You like mind games. Me too! I was a Psychology major (cj major too) and I thought I was gonna be this famous profiler for the FBI.
Anyhoo, have you ever seen Audition? It's a Japanese film, I believe, I think you would like it, but it's quite graphic. Think Hostel, if it had been good.

[Shady]

Are you fucking high?

Lol, let me ellaborate more on that statement. Movies where the plot revolves around sex than obviously there will have to be nudity. Example Cherry Falls. Honestly Hostel almost HAD to have nudity just because of where they were. Bratislava is nothing but sex and drugs. They went way overboard but quite frankly they had to have at least 1 scene. It's hard to explain but sometimes it is necessary I will admit. But random nudity is just retarted.

[The Flayed One]

If someone wants to see a naked chick go rent a porn movie. I think nudity in horror movies or any movie is unnecessary.

Come on, now. Part of the magic of movies is that they can draw you in by representing real life situations, yet throw in bits of the surreal/supernatural so we can witness amazing things to spice up our mundane lives.

Nudity is effective when used right; it represents one of our most vunerable moments in life. Most people feel the most vulnerable when they are nude. It helps build tension, just like being alone. If they actually show a male/female nude in a movie (not just suggest it where they might be wearing clothing) it gives you that much more feeling of reality/vulerability. Granted, it can be overdone, and there are some times when it's not necessary.

As far as Hostel goes, I don't think it was a great flick. I do think people give it way too much grief. It's trying to give a loving throwback to the grindhouse days. Granted, I'm not overly impressed with the job it did, but I appreciate the effort. I'm not so sure how people can worship films like I Spit on Your Grave, Last House on the Left & Bloodfeast, yet say Hostel was the most pointless piece of shit they've ever seen. (although I enjoyed all three afore mentioned movies more than Hostel) I'd go as far to say that in 20 years, Hostel will achieve cult classic status.

[Phalanx]

I cannot get into unrealistic movies.

House On Haunted Hill
-Exorcist
-Halloween

So you've seen a lot of "realistic" ghost houses, demon possessions and guys that come back to life after numerous mortal injuries in your time too? Thank goodness...I was beggining to think I was the only one.
Who cares about realism? That's why they're movies, not reality...a journey into the makers/authors imagination. Like a dream, thrown into film...I can only feel that your take on this would severely limit your filmgoing/viewing experiences, I think it's a hurdle you ought to overcome.
I mean c'mon...you're saying you'd never see kungfu hustle...that's crazy.

[Shady]

Anyhoo, have you ever seen Audition? It's a Japanese film, I believe, I think you would like it, but it's quite graphic. Think Hostel, if it had been good.

Oh of course, I really enjoyed that movie. One of my favorite Japnesese films although Tale Of Two Sisters is way up there.

[Despare]

Nudity is used in multiple situations as well, some situations more effective than others. I will never forget the first time I saw the nipple-ectomy in Ichi, that was VERY brutal and continued to keep the film on it's devestatingly vicious course.

Oh of course, I really enjoyed that movie. One of my favorite Japnesese films although Tale Of Two Sisters is way up there.

Personally I think ToTS was a better movie as well but it was less realistic than Audition.

[Shady]

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I cannot get into unrealistic movies.

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House On Haunted Hill

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-Exorcist

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-Halloween

So you've seen a lot of "realistic" ghost houses, demon possessions and guys that come back to life after numerous mortal injuries in your time too? Thank goodness...I was beggining to think I was the only one.
Who cares about realism? That's why they're movies, not reality...a journey into the makers/authors imagination. Like a dream, thrown into film...I can only feel that your take on this would severely limit your filmgoing/viewing experiences, I think it's a hurdle you ought to overcome.
I mean c'mon...you're saying you'd never see kungfu hustle...that's crazy.

Are you saying House On Haunted Hill, Exorcist, and Halloween are not reality. House On Haunted Hill is based on true events, I saw it on the history channel awhile back. Although there are scenes that are more extreme than what really happened but shit like that is for real. As for Exorcist, are you saying demon posession isn't real, news flash man, its real. Halloween, obviously the fact that Michael Myers cannot die that is unrealistic. But the main plot a serial killer trying to kill his sister and dominating anyone that gets in his way...Anyways everyone has there own taste bro.

[Despare]

As for Exorcist, are you saying demon posession isn't real, news flash man, its real.

Personally I believe it exists in extremely rare situations but there's no conclusive evidence and it's really a matter of opinion... just like if a certain movie is good or not.

[Shady]

Personally I believe it exists in extremely rare situations but there's no conclusive evidence and it's really a matter of opinion... just like if a certain movie is good or not.

I beleive it exists because of an incident awhile back but I wont get into that. By the way where in MI do you live despare?

[The Flayed One]

As for Exorcist, are you saying demon posession isn't real, news flash man, its real.

You'll get conversation out of this, but not the type I had hoped to continue. Not insulting your beliefs at all, mate, but stating dogmatic beliefs as factual in a movie discussion thread is a sure way to hijack the original point.

[Despare]

Around Ann Arbor, GO LIONS! :(

[Phalanx]

House On Haunted Hill is based on true events, I saw it on the history channel awhile back
Just like TCM was? Just like you can find some kind of "real" stories behind most horror films before they pick up a half million embellishments along the way? You're not saying much...and on the "demon possession" bit...I personally think it's complete bullshit, I'll believe something when I see it. Logic defines my perspective on anything out of the ordinary...just because it doesn't with you, has therefore made it seem more "realistic" in your eyes. Doesn't mean it is. Just stems off from your personal belief, highly doubtful that it comes from an actual personal experience (but yknow...whatever you say).
I think that maybe "realistic/unrealistic" isn't quite the best focal point for this particular discussion, because evidently (as we've both proven with our individual perspectives), the term is pretty subjective.
Difference is, I don't think ANY of it is realistic...but I don't let that spoil the movie for me.

[Shady]

Around Ann Arbor, GO LIONS!

Lol, football fan eh. Im all for Falcons no matter how bad Vick has been doing lately.

[Despare]

Lol, football fan eh. Im all for Falcons no matter how bad Vick has been doing lately.

The one team the Lions beat, yeah good choice. ;)

Anyway, realism in movies is ok but some movies should always tell of a fantasy or some other alternate reality, news flash man, it's true... it's damn true. :)

[Shady]

The one team the Lions beat, yeah good choice.

Anyway, realism in movies is ok but some movies should always tell of a fantasy or some other alternate reality, news flash man, it's true... it's damn true.

Ya I cried that game :(
I agree movies do need to have fantasy. Although I dislike them many people enjoy them and like I said everyone has there own taste and they need to have genres for everyone.

[Roderick Usher]

I said everyone has there own taste

There?

I think you meant "their"

[Nchantress]

Back to the unrealistic/realistic thing. May I take a stab? Perhaps what Mr. Shady was getting at was possibility? Maybe that's a better term than unrealistic.
I understand why people don't believe in paranormal things, and then the possession stuff, but I think that a good number of those people (if not the majority) believe that there is at least a possibility that they are real. No matter the likelihood.
I tend to like more possible movies myself, because it's scarier to me that what I am seeing could happen.
For instance, I think we would all agree that Vampires and Werewolves don't exist (I don't mean to insult anyone's beliefs). However, we don't know for a fact do we? So it's cool to think, well hey, maybe they do.
Just a thought.

[Haunted]

Well put, Bree.

There are anthropologists who've been studying possession for years, because there are so many cultures and traditions that believe in possesion. So many things have been done "about" a person's possession. I'd say yes that it's definitely possible, however my theory could be countered by anyone. My philosophy is that a person has to invite the entity inside, so all someone has to say is that it isn't an entity but the person's own mind.

Ultimately, it all honestly boils down to what you've experienced, but even that is subject. Look at all of the people who experience something frightening or something they don't understand, and two days later they don't believe anymore. Experience can create a deep belief or connection, or it can scare you so much that you'd rather not believe. That's why I say that it comes down to experience.

As for vampires, werewolves, and zombies... Not on this particular side of the omniverse;)

Which is my point, writers don't get this shit from eating their Wheaties and then drinking 300$ red wine. These are a part of oral traditions and then part of them come from forensic pathology, criminal investigations, dreams, visions. Ya can't make this shit up.

Movies are stories that you don't have to really imagine. A bad movie is a film that you know isn't real...dig? What I mean is, if I go see a film, and can see the actor, not the character, I'm done. It's gonna suck. However, if the [I]story[I] takes hold... That's groovy.

My thing is that you've got to ride the story, like you would in a book. Some situations are going to get nutty, but you just ride the story, and it will make sense.

[Shady]

There?

I think you meant "their"

This isn't English class. I know the difference between "there", "their", and "they're", but when I'm in a rush and I am typing without paying any attention to whether I am using proper grammar I don't really care.

if u wuld like i culd talk like half of the people on this site and write like dis

When I type the majority of my sentences are proper grammar. I use periods, commas, apostrophes, capitalization, but when it comes down to using their, there, or they're I honestly do not care. If I'm not in a rush and I have nothing better to do I will correctly spell check my paragraphs from now on if that will make you feel better.

[Nikkif8]

Just like TCM was? Just like you can find some kind of "real" stories behind most horror films before they pick up a half million embellishments along the way? You're not saying much...and on the "demon possession" bit...I personally think it's complete bullshit, I'll believe something when I see it. Logic defines my perspective on anything out of the ordinary...just because it doesn't with you, has therefore made it seem more "realistic" in your eyes. Doesn't mean it is. Just stems off from your personal belief, highly doubtful that it comes from an actual personal experience (but yknow...whatever you say).
I think that maybe "realistic/unrealistic" isn't quite the best focal point for this particular discussion, because evidently (as we've both proven with our individual perspectives), the term is pretty subjective.
Difference is, I don't think ANY of it is realistic...but I don't let that spoil the movie for me.

TCM is not actually based on true events. They made it seem that way. If anything it is based on shit Ed Gein did, that's all. There is not any truth in TCM.
Anyhow, I can see what Shady is saying. I too can not get into sci-fi movies much at all. Anything that is extremely unbelievable puts me over the edge. I do agree it is one persons own opinion of what is realistic or not though. I personally like slasher movies even tho I think they are very unrealistic, I love Haunting movies cause I believe in that though never experienced in it, and I love movies like Se7en and Saw ect cause they could happen for sure!

[Vodstok]

TCM is not actually based on true events. They made it seem that way. If anything it is based on shit Ed Gein did, that's all. There is not any truth in TCM.
Anyhow, I can see what Shady is saying. I too can not get into sci-fi movies much at all. Anything that is extremely unbelievable puts me over the edge. I do agree it is one persons own opinion of what is realistic or not though. I personally like slasher movies even tho I think they are very unrealistic, I love Haunting movies cause I believe in that though never experienced in it, and I love movies like Se7en and Saw ect cause they could happen for sure!

it is in fact very very vaguely based on ed gein. leatherface's mask is inspired by ed making a suit out of women's skin, although buffalo bill is a better example. And they believe he did practice some cannibalism. Thats about it.


Oh, and in case anyone cared, ed gein is techincally not a serial killer, he was a sick fuck, but he had to have at least 3 victims with a "cooling down" period in between by most efinitions, and he only killed 2.

[Despare]

Back to the unrealistic/realistic thing. May I take a stab? Perhaps what Mr. Shady was getting at was possibility? Maybe that's a better term than unrealistic.
I understand why people don't believe in paranormal things, and then the possession stuff, but I think that a good number of those people (if not the majority) believe that there is at least a possibility that they are real. No matter the likelihood.
I tend to like more possible movies myself, because it's scarier to me that what I am seeing could happen.
For instance, I think we would all agree that Vampires and Werewolves don't exist (I don't mean to insult anyone's beliefs). However, we don't know for a fact do we? So it's cool to think, well hey, maybe they do.
Just a thought.


You can think something doesn't exist but you can hardly prove it to be impossible. You touch on werewolf and vampires but really the movies with these creatures are showing possible reactions based on the introduction of a creature into reality. The only thing that MAY not be possible is the creature but the people, the reactions, and the methods used in destroying said creature could be possible. Ever watch Mythbusters? A shark as large as "Jaws" is unlikely to be found, caught, or attack but in the interest of negative proof we'll say we can't prove a shark of that size doesn't exist. The method in which *****SPOILERS****** (heh) the shark is killed, according to Mythbusters, is not possible but they can't test every tank and gas combination in every environment so it's not proved impossible just unlikely. Is Jaws still a realistic movie? It's an exaggeration like most things in movies are. Sure werewolves and vampires exist but not as we know them, they were exaggerations to explain serial killers and unfamiliar rituals (possibly). Have fun, sometimes we think too much.

[Nchantress]

You can think something doesn't exist but you can hardly prove it to be impossible. You touch on werewolf and vampires but really the movies with these creatures are showing possible reactions based on the introduction of a creature into reality. The only thing that MAY not be possible is the creature but the people, the reactions, and the methods used in destroying said creature could be possible. Ever watch Mythbusters? A shark as large as "Jaws" is unlikely to be found, caught, or attack but in the interest of negative proof we'll say we can't prove a shark of that size doesn't exist. The method in which *****SPOILERS****** (heh) the shark is killed, according to Mythbusters, is not possible but they can't test every tank and gas combination in every environment so it's not proved impossible just unlikely. Is Jaws still a realistic movie? It's an exaggeration like most things in movies are. Sure werewolves and vampires exist but not as we know them, they were exaggerations to explain serial killers and unfamiliar rituals (possibly). Have fun, sometimes we think too much.

I think that what you just said, is another way of putting what I said. Forgive me if I am misunderstanding you. I don't believe I was talking about anything being impossible. I was using some "mythical" creatures to illustrate my point that movies with plot lines that are possible if not at all likely, are more entertaining to me. I didn't say that the existance of such creatures as vampires and werewolves is impossible at all, just that I think most of us would say they don't exist, however, we don't know. And the fact that we don't know for sure, as with possesion, is more scary to me.
Also, I was talking about the movie type characters of vampires and werewolves. Not the people in our society that call themselves vampires. Forgive me once again, but I'm not aware of any werewolves "as we know them", could you enlighten me? To answer your question, is Jaws a realistic movie? Yes, in my way of thinking, because it's possible. As I stated before, possible, no matter the likelihood. Perhaps you misunderstood me?

[Vodstok]

Sure werewolves and vampires exist but not as we know them, they were exaggerations to explain serial killers and unfamiliar rituals (possibly).


Maybe 200 years ago, but in a modern context, no, they dont. if we are talking in the context of different time periods, then real becomes very subjective in terms of belief. Sure, they were REAL back in the dark ages, but so are UFOs and El Chupacabras these days, to a great number of people. Who knows in 200 years, though?

[Despare]

Maybe 200 years ago, but in a modern context, no, they dont. if we are talking in the context of different time periods, then real becomes very subjective in terms of belief. Sure, they were REAL back in the dark ages, but so are UFOs and El Chupacabras these days, to a great number of people. Who knows in 200 years, though?


I'm talking about the creation of the creatures and villainizing "monsters" rather than show human beings as evil. I'm not saying we blame those types of murders on werewolves and vampires now but simply saying they're an exaggeration of human beings. I brought this up mainly because of the Halloween reference because Michael is an exaggeration of a serial killer...

[urgeok]

Vod's afraid of bunnies

[Vodstok]

I'm talking about the creation of the creatures and villainizing "monsters" rather than show human beings as evil. I'm not saying we blame those types of murders on werewolves and vampires now but simply saying they're an exaggeration of human beings. I brought this up mainly because of the Halloween reference because Michael is an exaggeration of a serial killer...

Spree killer. :D

He doesnt wait weeks months or years between killings, he performs many in a short period of times, hours or days.


Actual Serial Killers in movies are pretty rare.

[Despare]

Spree killer. :D

He doesnt wait weeks months or years between killings, he performs many in a short period of times, hours or days.


Actual Serial Killers in movies are pretty rare.

Yep, Michael's an exaggeration. I can see a little bit of why people like more "realistic" movies. When you make a more "realistic" serial killer movie, maybe something like Henry, the "realistic" killer is more disturbing than the "monster".

[Zero]

Yep, Michael's an exaggeration. I can see a little bit of why people like more "realistic" movies. When you make a more "realistic" serial killer movie, maybe something like Henry, the "realistic" killer is more disturbing than the "monster".

i always thought michael was an interesting amalgam of both the realistic and they mythic. in one regard, he is a serial/spree killer - on another level, as carpenter's film sketches and later sequels spell out explicitly, he is a force of cosmic vengeance - a personfication of evil at the most transcendent level - the bogeyman literally

[Despare]

he is a force of cosmic vengeance - a personfication of evil at the most transcendent level - the bogeyman literally

The sequels do spell this out which makes a very unlikely but possible character into an impossibility. That's if the series changed the character, if they simply expounded on who he already was then he was an impossibility from the beginning. Hmmm. Anyway, to finish my participation in this thread while the thread is still good I do like both realistic and unrealistic movies. I don't think I could pick a favorite because while most of the movies I like would be considered unrealistic the amount of those movies available far outweight the realistic ones.

[urgeok]

i never saw michael/the shape as anything more than a vehicle to deliver scares .. i cant see any symbolism or social significance in the movies ..
any more than a roller coaster ride ..

he exists because carpenter wanted to scare the shit out of people .. nothing more nothing less (in my eyes anyway)

[Vodstok]

i never saw michael/the shape as anything more than a vehicle to deliver scares .. i cant see any symbolism or social significance in the movies ..
any more than a roller coaster ride ..

he exists because carpenter wanted to scare the shit out of people .. nothing more nothing less (in my eyes anyway)

Well, from every interview i have seen, Carpenter's eyes as well. Even though all o fthe sequals pretty much show up under his profile on IMDB, they are all "characters" credits.

I tend to ignore any "history" created by anyone other than the original creator of a series, except perhaps for the Alien series, but even then, although i like 3, i would still like it capped off at Aliens.