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urgeok

11-20-2006, 07:02 AM

Got thinking about this because of the Crow thread.

i'm pretty sure what kind of response i'll get because of the nature of the folks in here... myself included.

Many many horror movies are about revenge .. or some kind of nasty resolution.

we all cheer when the bad guy gets it (unless you're one of those unfathomable people who thought the villians in devils rejects were cool)

is that how you feel in real life .. is this a crowd who would hand down a death sentance without hesitation ?

20 years ago i would have said no - i hated the idea of a death penalty ...
i know the stats (it doesnt prevent murder... etc)
(well it sure as fuck prevents THAT guy from murdering again)

but now - after all the evidence of pain and suffering i've seen - at the hands of scumbags that view the world as their own personal playground - i say hell yes ... burn the fuckers alive.

no human rights for the people who violated someone elses human right to live. you forfeit your membership to the human race.

some folks will say 2 wrongs dont make a right ... i would have said the same thing -- once.

but now that i have a family ... and have read the papers and heard the news for the last couple of decades ... i dont consider killing filth a wrong.
its just killing the cockroaches under the stove.

actually - thats a very unfair comparrison to cockroaches ..

sure its a pretty good measure of permanent prevention .. and maybe a deterrent (moreso if we werent so humane about the way we disposed of these fucks .. feed them alive into a meat grinder feet first i say)
but in all - i guess the base part of me really wants to see these fuckers get what they have coming to them .. there are horrible consequences for horrible actions.

so - how do you like your revenge - hot, cold, or not at all ?

The Flayed One

11-20-2006, 07:36 AM

I think I'm heading down the same road you are. For the longest time I was completely against the death penalty. I hate real life violence. The more and more I live, the more fed up I get with the general state of the human race. I'm just about ready to go all out; fuck lethal injection, draw and quarter the bastards. Eye for an eye.

Of course I'm being overly dramatic; I try to be understanding. It's really hard to be optimistic and a good natured person when everyone else seems to be vicious, backstabbing lying bastards deep down inside.

I try to find happiness by being kind and polite to everyone. Every day it gets harder and harder to do. It's making me become a hermit. I used to believe that everyone was truly a good person at heart. Now I've come to terms with the fact that some people really are just plain bastards with no redeeming qualities what-so-ever. Fuck 'em, let them fry.

newb

11-20-2006, 08:03 AM

If there is NO doubt about their guilt, I say fry the motherfucker.

Roderick Usher

11-20-2006, 08:08 AM

I'd have to say I'm the complete opposite

As a child and a teen I loved the idea of revenge, retribution, giving it to the bad guy.

As I age I see more grey area, less certainty...and an absolute belief that I am not one to judge others. I no longer believe that "justice" exists and that the pursuit of it is a waste of effort and an exercize in frustration. I find that seeking revenge is an extreme example of trying to exert control...which I have also come to believe is an illusion.

The more you try to controll, the less happy you will be, because you are strugglin to do what cannot by done...it's a Sisyphean effort that can only do you harm.

I have become less judgemental and more open in my age. And have found that I am a great deal happier this way.

Probably one of the reasons I love revenge movies so much. It's a cathartic fantasy. In real life it's much messier and more complicated and no one walks away from revenge unscathed.

But then again, this is just my way and I know that my way is not everyone's.

urgeok

11-20-2006, 08:12 AM

rod - you fucking hippy !

just kidding - i know its a better way to be ...
and i dont watch horror films for the gratification of seeing the bad guys getting smoked - so it's still fantasy in my mind.

but unfortunately the poison of the real world has leaked into my brain and spoiled a part of my mind forever.

who knows, maybe at a later stage of my life i may have a different more positive view .. but probably not.

i'll just continue to become a bent up old contankerous fart, yelling at the kids who walk on my lawn.

Roderick Usher

11-20-2006, 08:18 AM

i'll just continue to become a bent up old contankerous fart, yelling at the kids who walk on my lawn.

Well I do that all the time!

fuckin' kids *grumble, grumble*

Vodstok

11-20-2006, 08:21 AM

Well I do that all the time!

fuckin' kids *grumble, grumble*

i'll just continue to become a bent up old contankerous fart, yelling at the kids who walk on my lawn.

I have aspired to this for years :)

novakru

11-20-2006, 08:22 AM

My emotion on this varies and I can not ever seem to tie down a definitive yes or no about it because like life it has too many grey areas.

I do think Justice is Blind as well as deaf and stupid.
Law and the people that defend it are lacking common sense sometimes.
I mean how else can you explain the judge that gave a repeated child molester a walk?
If you harm a child, death would be too damn easy-torture the fuckers for years and then let them get raped repeated with sharp objects till they bleed there last worthless drop of blood.

Murders-well, there are different reasons for murder-some of them actually make a hell of a good idea.
Take a woman that has been torn down mentally and battered for years upon years and finally one day just snaps and blows her abuser away...I say give her some therapy and send her on her way.

Murder over stupid shit like drugs-a life behind bars seems fair.

I don't feel this way all the time though (except for pedophiles) Sometimes I think if people who did crimes got punished a little more severely would bring about a strong message to other people considering doing a crime and the vicious cycle would stop and we could all LOVE each other and give kissy and huggy to all and never kill all the cute little aninals and live in peace and harmo..........yeah RIGHT.
Fuck it. this planet is fucked no matter how you slice it.:)

urgeok

11-20-2006, 08:25 AM

Take a woman that has been torn down mentally and battered for years upon years and finally one day just snaps and blows her abuser away...I say give her some therapy and send her on her way.

for me - that falls under self defence.
as far as i'm concerned - abusive husbands are in the process of murdering their wives .. only they take their time.

i have no sympathy for those cocksuckers either (wife abusers) ... there is NO excuse...

Despare

11-20-2006, 08:34 AM

I see no problem with the death sentence providing the crime was worthy of it. I just think it should be done quicker and cheaper so our prison population is polluted with people on death row who cost thousands to kill. I think the dealth penalty should be instated for child rape/murder and personally I think rape (forced rape not "I was drunk when I said yes." which is still bad but...) in cases should carry the sentance. If a man has it in his head to beat and rape a girl to get what he wants then there's something wrong with him that incarceration won't fix.

"Death penalty trials cost an average of 48% more than the average cost of trials in which prosecutors seek life imprisonment"

Legal crap, always.

As far as movies there are a lot of gratifying revenge flicks. Crow, Leon, I Spit on Your Grave, Oldboy, Gladiator, Memento, and Count of Monte Cristo. Who couldn't smile when Inigo looked to be getting beaten but simply got back to his feet only to plaw forth with, "My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father prepare to die."

*SAW spoilers*

The movie comparrison really translates well if you viewed Saw the day it released in the theaters. When you watch it and Zep enters the bathroom only to get a severe beating by the toilet tank cover wielding photography the theater clapped and cheered. Now they thought he was the one who killed everybody when in fact he merely kidnapped the doctor's family and was GOING to kill them. Had they found out he wasn't the real "bad guy" I wonder if they would have applauded...

VampiricClown

11-20-2006, 08:34 AM

Revenge is something that should be. In the case of murderers, two wrongs do a make right because they won't have that opportunity come up again to kill someone. Sure, you kill one life, but you save countless people from whom they would have killed.

Another thing, they should be killed not by being fried, but in the same manner and brutality of any/all of their vicitms. Make the fuckers suffer for what damage they have caused to others lives and emotions. The pain NEVER goes away.

Vodstok

11-20-2006, 08:36 AM

for me - that falls under self defence.
as far as i'm concerned - abusive husbands are in the process of murdering their wives .. only they take their time.

i have no sympathy for those cocksuckers either (wife abusers) ... there is NO excuse...

There is a saying: Every abusive relationship is a potential murder. Statistically, there is a very good chance that the abuser will go overboard and kill the other, or will be the victim of a preemtive/revenge killing.

over the weekend i saw a small part of a movie called "Bastard out of Carolina". It was et in the 50s i think, and Jennifer Jason Leigh was married to a man who was routinely raping and beating the ever loving shit out o f one o fher daughters.

IOt gets found out thast he is beating her at one point when one of the girl's aunts notices horrible welts on her butt from a belt. She tells her husband, played by Michael Rooker, who gathers up some buddies and brother and beat the SHIT out of the guy. It was extremely satisfying.

As someof you are well aware, revenge and a sense of justice plays very heavily in a lot of my writing:
Abuse (http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25947)
Absolution (http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26114)
Justice (http://scaredyet.org/art.aspx?aid=justice)

VampiricClown

11-20-2006, 08:40 AM

There is a saying: Every abusive relationship is a potential murder. Statistically, there is a very good chance that the abuser will go overboard and kill the other, or will be the victim of a preemtive/revenge killing.

Or the abused will possibly kill themselves to get away from it.

Personally, I always get revenge....You fuck up my life in anyway, I do whatever the hell it takes to make your world a living hell.

Vodstok

11-20-2006, 08:40 AM

Another thing, they should be killed not by being fried, but in the same manner and brutality of any/all of their vicitms.

I disagree...

Drop them in 375 degree oil and cook, oh say and hour for a 180 lb man... he will be crispy on the outside, and tender and juicy on the inside. :)

And for the minute or two it takes to kill him completely (remember kids, always lower food into the hot oil gently and slowly, to avoid splashing ;)) would hurt worse than anythign anyone has experienced since Joan of Arc.

X¤MurderDoll¤X

11-20-2006, 08:40 AM

VampiricClown

11-20-2006, 08:42 AM

I disagree...

Drop them in 375 degree oil and cook, oh say and hour for a 180 lb man... he will be crispy on the outside, and tender and juicy on the inside. :)

And for the minute or two it takes to kill him completely (remember kids, always lower food into the hot oil gently and slowly, to avoid splashing ;)) would hurt worse than anythign anyone has experienced since Joan of Arc.

And if it's a dude, fry is balls first! :mad:

VampiricClown

11-20-2006, 08:43 AM

death sentence is outrageously more expensive than a life sentence

Doesn't have to be. Ever heard of a baseball bat and a chicken pit?

urgeok

11-20-2006, 08:45 AM

I still say legalize everything so that we're all on an even playing field. :)

p.s

death sentence is outrageously more expensive than a life sentence
you're executing some innocent people which some people think is fucked
we should probably step out of the dark ages one of these days and focus more on rehabilitation than pure punishment but whatever I'm always down for bloodshed.

p.p.s if they do have these harsh punishments they should be on TV. ;)

i dont think rehabilitation - for serious criminals - is a possibility.
its like trying to cure 'gay'.

some people live in the dark ages... they still see the city the way primitives saw the jungle - take what you want - kill whoever is in your way.

if i thought for a second that you could get anywhere near even a 50% success rate in rehabilitating sociopaths i'd be mightily suprised.
(i'm not talking about someone who made a stupid mistake - i'm talking about life timers)

and the reason that killing people is more expensive than keeping them alive in the penal system .. thats the fault of the system ..

how expensive is it to kill cows ? cant be more than the price of the beef - that wouldnt be cost effective !

X¤MurderDoll¤X

11-20-2006, 08:46 AM

Doesn't have to be. Ever heard of a baseball bat and a chicken pit?

what's expensive is the legal fees. ;)

Despare

11-20-2006, 08:48 AM

I still say legalize everything so that we're all on an even playing field. :)

p.s

death sentence is outrageously more expensive than a life sentence
you're executing some innocent people which some people think is fucked
we should probably step out of the dark ages one of these days and focus more on rehabilitation than pure punishment but whatever I'm always down for bloodshed.

p.p.s if they do have these harsh punishments they should be on TV. ;)

Did you read what I said about Saw Muder? We can't just exact revenge withouth a trial and proof because people react too quickly to what they see and often times they could take revenge in cases where they were wrong to do so. Acting on impulse is never a good idea. In the revenge flicks we KNOW the bad guy deserves it in a lot of movies, real life isn't like that. Kill em' cheap and kill em' quick if there's indisputable evidence they deserve it.

Vodstok

11-20-2006, 08:52 AM

i dont think rehabilitation - for serious criminals - is a possibility.
its like trying to cure 'gay'.

some people live in the dark ages... they still see the city the way primitives saw the jungle - take what you want - kill whoever is in your way.

if i thought for a second that you could get anywhere near even a 50% success rate in rehabilitating sociopaths i'd be mightily suprised.
(i'm not talking about someone who made a stupid mistake - i'm talking about life timers)

and the reason that killing people is more expensive than keeping them alive in the penal system .. thats the fault of the system ..

how expensive is it to kill cows ? cant be more than the price of the beef - that wouldnt be cost effective !
Correct. Especially when they are diagnosed as sociopaths, there is no "back" to go to, they were broken from the beginning. Sociopaths dont feel sympathy or empathy. Read up on Edmund Kemper and see what a serial killer does as a kiod when he's being "rehabilitated". He took notes and became a really efficient killer. And he didnt exactly blend in, he is 6' 8" and wears coke bottle glasses.

novakru

11-20-2006, 08:54 AM

abusive husbands are in the process of murdering their wives .. only they take their time.

I never thought of it like that.
Very true!

X¤MurderDoll¤X

11-20-2006, 08:56 AM

how expensive is it to kill cows ? cant be more than the price of the beef - that wouldnt be cost effective !

Nobody gives a fuck about cows though. (nobody listens to hippies) With humans you have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt they are GUILTY so you can execute them. It costs big bucks :rolleyes:

I don't believe in laws. If there were no laws, think of the money that would be saved. The death penalty wouldn't cost a dime... Vote me for world president :)

X¤MurderDoll¤X

11-20-2006, 08:58 AM

Did you read what I said about Saw Muder? We can't just exact revenge withouth a trial and proof because people react too quickly to what they see and often times they could take revenge in cases where they were wrong to do so. Acting on impulse is never a good idea. In the revenge flicks we KNOW the bad guy deserves it in a lot of movies, real life isn't like that. Kill em' cheap and kill em' quick if there's indisputable evidence they deserve it.

and a lot of times when there is pressure to make an arrest police will take anyone down for a serious crime.

fuckin pigs. ;)

Despare

11-20-2006, 09:02 AM

and a lot of times when there is pressure to make an arrest police will take anyone down for a serious crime.

fuckin pigs. ;)

Yep, but without laws there wouldn't be crooked cops or a crooked government to blame our problems on and we would have to answer for what we did. :eek:

urgeok

11-20-2006, 09:04 AM

also - to address the point that comes up a lot ..

what about someone being condemmed to death wrongfully ..

i'm pretty sure thats pretty damn rare .. and gets rarer still with the progression of techlology in forensics.

its insanely hard to prove a murderer guilty - no matter how much damning evidence there is. (just ask OJ)

ssomeone innocent falling through the cracks - i cant see it happening anywhere near as much as the murderers that go scott free - or are given a joke sentance.

X¤MurderDoll¤X

11-20-2006, 09:05 AM

ssomeone innocent falling through the cracks - i cant see it happening anywhere near as much as the murderers that go scott free - or are given a joke sentance.

so killing a murderer is more important than saving a victim?

oh and rich people don't fry :)

urgeok

11-20-2006, 09:18 AM

so killing a murderer is more important than saving a victim?

honestly ..i dont think it will ever happen in this day and age.

but the question is a tough one ...

on one hand - i know that if the police pick up someone for a crime (and they are innocent of this particular crime) they are suspect because they are bad people with similar records.

i know i'm not painting myself as a very humane person - but so be it .. i fucking hate destructive criminals... predators. people who look at the rest of us as cattle .. rubes to be taken advantage of. fuck i hate them beyond words can describe.

while i spend all my time and energy trying to make a living for my family - slaving at a 9-5 job that isnt particularily rewarding other than financially - there are these fuckbags waiting for a chance to simply take it away.

there are also those that would happily hurt my family in ways i dont want to think about ... its just the world in which these people live ... in the edge of the woods...

yeah - i want horrible things to happen to the career thieves, pedophiles, rapists and murderers...

X¤MurderDoll¤X

11-20-2006, 09:41 AM

My older brother is being charged with drug trafficking and criminal negligence resulting in death. Him and two other people sold drugs out of their apartment, the other two people got off scot free because they could afford lawyers. The legal aid that was appointed to my brother didn't even believe that a lot of kids smoked marijuana. A 13 year old girl died out of pretty much her own stupidity and ignorance, but of course she's the victim. What happened is that she called another drug dealer and begged him to come down and sell her some exstacy. So he drives down and sells it to her, awhile later she calls again and tells him it's not working and to bring her more. She died because she was also drinking heavily and she pretty much passed out and rapid dehydrated herself. So this guy who is 22 was also having sex with her, he gets out of jail time for naming my brother.

Of course, society needs a pure good and a pure evil person at a time like this. So the 13 year old dumb slut (I can't feel bad when people die when it's their own damn fault,sorry)is the pure and good person, and my big brother is of course the pure and evil person. Everyone is shouting monster and I'm sure some people would want him to fry, he's on the verge of killing himself and he's almost definitely getting jail time.

I say if we're going to be advanced, step out of this black and white thinking
if we want to be animals (I think we do), take away the laws.

I think it's completely unbelievable that they could even attach this girl to him in anyway... fucktards. You know why? People demanded to see someone go down hard for it. As long as they think he's repsonsible they can sleep easy.

Vodstok

11-20-2006, 09:45 AM

My older brother is being charged with drug trafficking and criminal negligence resulting in death. Him and two other people sold drugs out of their apartment, the other two people got off scot free because they could afford lawyers. The legal aid that was appointed to my brother didn't even believe that a lot of kids smoked marijuana. A 13 year old girl died out of pretty much her own stupidity and ignorance, but of course she's the victim. What happened is that she called another drug dealer and begged him to come down and sell her some exstacy. So he drives down and sells it to her, awhile later she calls again and tells him it's not working and to bring her more. She died because she was also drinking heavily and she pretty much passed out and rapid dehydrated herself. So this guy who is 22 was also having sex with her, he gets out of jail time for naming my brother.

Of course, society needs a pure good and a pure evil person at a time like this. So the 13 year old dumb slut (I can't feel bad when people die when it's their own damn fault,sorry)is the pure and good person, and my big brother is of course the pure and evil person. Everyone is shouting monster and I'm sure some people would want him to fry, he's on the verge of killing himself and he's almost definitely getting jail time.

I say if we're going to be advanced, step out of this black and white thinking
if we want to be animals (I think we do), take away the laws.

With any luck, your brother will come out of this knowing better than to be involved in selling drugs. If he was selling drugs to minors, then i dont fell anything for him.

Sure, she may have been a dumb 13 year old, but she was just a kid, and kids are allowed to be dumb, its how they learn. someone screwed up and didnt steer her in the right direction, so while she could think for herself, she was hardly a responsible human being. That is why 13 year olds dont have driver's licenses or automatic firearms.

Despare

11-20-2006, 09:49 AM

X¤MurderDoll¤X

11-20-2006, 09:49 AM

someone screwed up and didnt steer her in the right direction, so while she could think for herself, she was hardly a responsible human being.

hmmm sounds like a lot of violent criminals hmmm

X¤MurderDoll¤X

11-20-2006, 09:51 AM

Did your brother sell ex though? Don't get me wrong, I don't want to sound insulting to you or your brother but if your brother did sell drugs and he was arrested for it than it's his fault. You said the girl died because of her own stupidity and ignorance but it's kind of stupid and ignorant to sell drugs and think that you won't get caught. So many people, if caught, will name their dealer in a heartbeat to avoid even a few days locked up.

Hey, I'm not saying he shouldn't be charged for trafficking. Being held responsible for the death of a pure and innocent 13 year old girl is the part that pisses me off, and that his friend's got off for having lawyers.

stubbornforgey

11-20-2006, 09:52 AM

Nobody gives a fuck about cows though. (nobody listens to hippies) With humans you have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt they are GUILTY so you can execute them. It costs big bucks :rolleyes:

I don't believe in laws. If there were no laws, think of the money that would be saved. The death penalty wouldn't cost a dime... Vote me for world president :)

i love cows...
especially with roast taytas and pumpkin .. :D

em all for the death penalty..As for revenge..
i like to take my time with this..em not a catty person ..but if em pushed to the
limit..if by any chance em betrayed in such a way ..then i set the wheels in motion..it may take a week...to a year...but it will happen.

urgeok

11-20-2006, 09:53 AM

well, the jail time is a result of your brother breaking a law ..
if you play against the sytem and lose ther is a price.

unfortunately - the system is also failing because if all he sold is pot then he's getting an unfair shake because of how the legal system is such a mess (everyone should be entitled to the same level of defense - it shouldnt be a $$$ issue.)

if your brother sold a 13 year old extacy (or anyone for that matter) i'd be a lot colder ... but as you said he didnt - it doesnt enter the equation.

the prick who sold the stupid 13 year old the drug deserves a lot of pain.

bottom line is - your brother wont be excecuted ... he doesnt fit the scenario i was explaining in the 1st place - but he still has to pay the piper in some form or another... like me getting caught speeding - or anything else like that.

i also have no sympathy for drunk drivers ..
irresponsible fuckers have been the cause of more innocent deaths than anything else.

Vodstok

11-20-2006, 09:56 AM

hmmm sounds like a lot of violent criminals hmmm

The violent criminlas are almost all grown adults, they had their chance and fucke dit up.

Hey, I'm not saying he shouldn't be charged for trafficking. Being held responsible for the death of a pure and innocent 13 year old girl is the part that pisses me off, and that his friend's got off for having lawyers.

THAT part sounds like bullshit. punishment for the crime committed is just, but that is it. personally, if someone tried to sell drugs to my kid, i would put them in the hospital. If a drug dealer was standing NEXT to that guy, i would leave him the hell alone.

Alhtough i would probably call the cops on him. Tell your brother to cut the crap. Sounds liek he is still young, he doesnt have to do that his whole life.

X¤MurderDoll¤X

11-20-2006, 10:00 AM

stubbornforgey

11-20-2006, 10:04 AM

Thats true..
its wicked when you try and look into the mind of 1st the child who bought the drugs...reasons what drove this child to go out and seek them..?
right back to the dealer himself..what made his life so fucken misreable that he ended up being a dealer of some sort.

We tend to blame society...we tend to blame peer pressure..
have any of us really thought that maybe..its something in our homes
that drive our children to do such a thing.

X¤MurderDoll¤X

11-20-2006, 10:10 AM

urgeok

11-20-2006, 10:10 AM

I've just adopted a new way of thinking: whatever

a lot of murder victims die because they're stupid anyway. That's just natural selection, baby. Basically I don't give a crap about victims or "innocent" people or fucked in the head murderers. I don't care about 13 year old kids or 5 year old kids, or fetuses.

Whatever :)

i feel horrible for them because its usually the fault of the parents when bad things happen to young kids - not always - but usually.

natural selection takes place when a guy pushes a coke machine to get his money out and it topples over onto him and kills him.
true innocent victims are blameless - no natural selection involved.

many people die each year because of suicides. someone decides that the best way to kill themselves is to drive into oncoming traffic on a highway.
dying innocently this way (being in the car this selfish fuck hit) - there's nothing natural about it..

people die by being in the wrong time at the wrong place all the time ... the problem with this statement is that there should be no wrong time or place .. shit its 2006 - its not the wild west .. we're supposed to be civillized now !

something else about your brother's choice of vocation is now he's affected you and your family as well..i'm sorry this is causing you grief...

Vodstok

11-20-2006, 10:13 AM

urgeok

11-20-2006, 10:15 AM

it's fucking retarded for the government to be able to control what we do with our own bodies.

parents like to think they have some measure of control over what their kids end up like but they don't. Unless they smother them, which ends up with your kids being more fucked. What % of time do you spend talking with your kids compared to the amount of time they spend interacting with other people? ;)

its true ..

we have precious little time with our kids .. which is why you try hard to build a good base - enforce and reinforce (by example) positive values.

that means a lot of quality time ... and yeah - smothering them often has the exact opposite effect you're looking for.

its scary as hell .. you know your kid will find his own path but you hope that he agrees with your positive message and sticks with it for the most part.

i hope by the time my kids friends take over as the major influence - he'll have the right tools to have picked the right friends..

X¤MurderDoll¤X

11-20-2006, 10:19 AM

If thats the case, then why are you pissed off about your brother getting a raw deal? Just tell him whatever. :)

whatever :)

Vodstok

11-20-2006, 01:28 PM

whatever :)

There you go :D

noctuary

11-20-2006, 03:15 PM

I haven't read all of this thread, so I'll just offer my thoughts on the original post. Personally, I think that it all depends on the severity and circumstances of the crime. A cold blooded murderer is unlikely to garner any sympathy in my book. Someone who commits a "crime of passion" on the other hand, may be given some leeway, again depending on the exact circumstances.

Child molestors, however... Kill them. Public hanging.

Disease

11-20-2006, 03:18 PM

I's hard to say how I feel about the death penalty. Since it has been in use in my country since I was born I don't have a lot of experience with it.

But I do find it odd, how in America they execute people in so many different ways, and with an audience, sometimes the judge will choose a method of death he thinks will be most tormenting.

I don't see a huge difference to tis mentality and that of someone who killed without being employed by the state.

stubbornforgey

11-20-2006, 03:23 PM

Revenge is supposed to be bitter sweet..
I know that if anybody was to hurt any of my children ..then i wouldn't
hesitate in seeking justice myself..
but when it comes to personal issues ..like losing a partner to betrayal..
i wouldn't stoop to that level..
would just easily lick my wounds and carry on

urgeok

11-20-2006, 03:28 PM

I don't see a huge difference to tis mentality and that of someone who killed without being employed by the state.

you dont see the difference between someone killing an innocent person for passion or profit vs someone being killed because they they killed an innocent person ??

if a wild dangerous homicidal animal got in your house - would you try to trap it in a cup and shoo it out the front door ?

Disease

11-20-2006, 03:32 PM

I do see that they are different, one is organised by the government and carried out under supervision, the other , well who knows?

But my point is that capital punishment is pretty twisted itself.

urgeok

11-20-2006, 03:38 PM

I do see that they are different, one is organised by the government and carried out under supervision, the other , well who knows?

But my point is that capital punishment is pretty twisted itself.

i admit my instict for revenge isnt very holistic .. but i still believe in permanently removing the threat.

Phalanx

11-20-2006, 06:35 PM

In my perfect world...
If you kill or rape/child molestation = death.
Drink Driving - Death for Death, Jailtime for DUI (within reason), 6 months straight up. I have a brother, he goes to school. Enough said.

If you assault someone (not "got charged with assault after a fight", but the kind where someoned basically been a cunt, drunk or not), the victim oughta be able to do the same back at their discression, in a controlled environment, and those that commit the act should also be jailed, 6 months. Enforced anger management, and conflict resolution.

Robbery?
Enforced payback, public proceedings.

Child Abuse - Forfeit all parental rights. I'm not talking about those who might slap a kid about the ear here and there when they're out of line, or yelling, whatever....I'm talking about people who bash their kids. Public proceedings, loss of parental rights and custody, and enforced anger management. Permanent documentation.