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moonsorrow

12-28-2003, 05:07 AM

where has all the good horror gone to? i was just flipping thrugh the horror pages of play and i just noticed how utterley few of the new horror movies out there are even worth watching, the ring was good... but before that the last worthwhile horror movie i can remember is house on haunted hill. i mean im not saying its all bad im just saying that ever since the brilliance of friday the 13th and nightmare on elm street 90% of the movies have just been another badley made clone after another, so now scream has 2 sequels, i know what you did last summer was the same movie and the same goes for urban legend... halloween starts throwing in people like ll cool j... and besmudging the name of jaws they did the same with deep blue sea. do i even have to mention jack frost? the breed?
its like the whole genre gets worse and worse each passing day and all the movies are just low grade rip offs of eachother... we still have some good modern horror though, blair witch project, house on haunted hill, jeepers creepers, the ring and so on... what happened to the good old ones like the thing, nosferatu, it and all the other goodies? whats it all coming to?

well... i just felt the need to rant violentley about this.

meetthecreeper

12-28-2003, 05:29 AM

I wouldnt say that Horror is coming to an end as we know it, it is just evolving into something that most real horror fans cant stand. I Know what you did last summer, Final Destination, Scream, all designed to appeal to a new audience. One that doesnt want to deal with gore or a plot that takes a brain to figure out what is going on. Its all about the money money money, I think the art of the horror film has been lost in some circles. Thats why they make sequel after sequel after sequel. Also things like political correctness get in the way, everybody is afraid of offending someone w/ their films. I cant believe that mountain people werent out protesting the movie Wrong Turn. Plus things like CGI have made film making so much more easier and thus in turn less believeable to the likes of us. Jason X comes to mind, the CGI blood I could do without, it really bored me, does a 5 gal bucket of food colored water really cost that much or is it just 2 much 2 clean up these days. Or have some actors become premadonnas and dont want to get dirty while filmmaking. I was hoping that since Sam Raimi has shown what he can do with a huge budget like Spiderman that maybe someone will give him the money to make an Evil Dead 4. I heard that John Carpenter has wanted to get out of film making for various reasons, and Wes Craven has been kind of disappointing of late. I have to say I think that we are going to be relying on Indie filmmakers for a while until the money stops rolling in for the BS that is coming out now. One thing that I didnt mention is that I think it is increasingly hard these days to scare people, you can see more violence and gore on the nightly news now than in any horror film.

moonsorrow

12-28-2003, 05:46 AM

saying its coming to an end was a bit extreme maby... i like exagurating... pox upon thee arnold for teaching me bad english!
but its going thrugh its own little ragnarock or drastic change if you will, that il agree to. compared to alot of people on this site i realy dont know jack about horror but all the scream clones are getting a bit booring. but like you say i guess what its all boiling down to is the money, find something that works and milk it then milk it some more and keep on going till its bone dry.
good horror doesnt realy have to scare me, it just needs a good solid story and a little suspence, is it realy that hard to come up with something like that? i know i couldnt but there are alot of smart guys into movie making out there, someone should just knock theyr heads together and make em think a little.
as for evil dead 4 though... wishfull thinking, but lets hold on to hope where hope lies dying.

Haunted

12-28-2003, 05:57 AM

Honestly, I think you're both right on the money. The new slasher flicks are for the new teen movie goers. However the anticipation of Scream (absolute shit, in my opinion) will NEVER compare to the suspense of Halloween or Nightmare on Elm Street. I mean, remember the scene when Nancy's in class, there's a dude reading Shakespear, and she sees Tina standing there in the body bag??? That was fucking brilliant. Scared the shit outta me.

I think Horror as a genre is making waves in the video game industry. Unfortunately we will never see a terrifying Final Fantasy:p (Now that would be funny...and please note the sarcasm), but we do get games like Resident Evil, Silent Hill, oh and American McGee's Alice... When is an asylum not creepy? (Oh, probably in movies like Gothika....how do you spell disapointment).

avenger00soul

12-28-2003, 06:03 AM

I felt the same way as you during the 90's. I think the new trend in horror is something I'll like though. This years trend was old school all the way. Wrong Turn was an ode to the Hills Have Eyes but showed us some things we had never seen before (treetop chase). Cabin Fever (I know most of you hated it, bear with me) was an ode to Evil Dead and it had an original spin. Ho1000C was an ode to TCM, but had an original spin on it. It seems we are paying homage to the 70's while still making original films. I'm looking forward to what 2004 brings.

moonsorrow

12-28-2003, 06:04 AM

Originally posted by Haunted
how do you spell disapointment.

im not an expert on the topic but i think your missing an s...
but yeah like you said we get scary games... but the movies! but like oiled shit theyr just going down the toilet, theyv traded suspence for gore and i dont like it one bit.

well avenger, i can only hope it gets better before it gets any worse.

ds_spoon

12-28-2003, 06:05 AM

Originally posted by avenger00soul
I felt the same way as you during the 90's. I think the new trend in horror is something I'll like though. This years trend was old school all the way. Wrong Turn was an ode to the Hills Have Eyes but showed us some things we had never seen before (treetop chase). Cabin Fever (I know most of you hated it, bear with me) was an ode to Evil Dead and it had an original spin. Ho1000C was an ode to TCM, but had an original spin on it. It seems we are paying homage to the 70's while still making original films. I'm looking forward to what 2004 brings.
yeah i think the same avenger i cant wait to see what 2004 brings:D

crazy clown

12-28-2003, 08:47 AM

yea this year had a lot of good horror movies. some of them were good some of them were ok at best but they were still better than the teen horror movies that are all the same. maybe 2004 will have some cool movies.

that within the woods movie looks pretty cool.

ds_spoon

12-28-2003, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by crazy clown

that within the woods movie looks pretty cool.

yea it does i might end up taking a look at that

moonsorrow

12-28-2003, 09:41 AM

ok..within the woods...edjumacate me

avenger00soul

12-28-2003, 09:42 AM

I also wanted to add that the non-commercial horror films are the ones the true genre fans will probably be wanting to look to in the future. Wrong Turn, which was as commercial as you get, must have been a fluke b/c I really dug it. All of the rest of them, as Creeper said, are aimed towards a different audience.

mudsliptones

12-28-2003, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by moonsorrow
ok..within the woods...edjumacate me

this was posted a while ago, had a cool picture

it is not the evil dead prequel, dunno whats it about though

I just wanna say that todays filmmakers have lack of originality
they just use old storys, like the movies valentine, slasher, bloody kills or something like that
it's all to mainstream, no gore cause they wanna make money of it in the cinemas
a good example is the laser sequence in resident evil, due to the computer effects and the les gore part that scene is pretty clean, not to much gore, just enough to hit the cinemas, but movies like braindead don't get there

avenger00soul

12-28-2003, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by mudsliptones
this was posted a while ago, had a cool picture

it is not the evil dead prequel, dunno whats it about though

Yeah, I couldn't find my old thread. It's storyline is embedding in the disappearance of the Roanoke colony and sounds very promising.

crazy clown

12-28-2003, 11:53 AM

and you can't forget about laprecaun back to the hood.

ShamSham04

12-28-2003, 12:40 PM

Horror movies have been made to gain money from the start. You guys just have to deal with that... would horror movies still be made if their was no high profit? I think not.

Anyway, you gotta realize that every decade and every year will bring along a terrible movie. Some years and decades just have more...this does NOT mean that horror is coming to an end though, even though you already stated that you were getting a little carried away... But in reality, there is no such thing as a bad movie. It's all opinion. Heck, someone on another message board liked the movie Ax Em... I know, I know...they were probably drunk, high, and blind...maybe even deaf...lol. But hey, their opinion matters. Everyone's opinion matters.

So anyway, all of you "true" horror fans just need to be patient and give the filmmakers time to actually come up with something original, scary, and maybe even Oscar-worthy... Hehe. I doubt that'll ever happen. So just be patient for the type of horror movie you are looking for to come out... and if it never comes out, go and rent one of the classics you like.

That's what they're there for.

avenger00soul

12-28-2003, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by ShamSham04
Horror movies have been made to gain money from the start. You guys just have to deal with that... would horror movies still be made if their was no high profit? I think not.

So you're saying that no horror films would be made if there was not a high profit? Let's think about this Axe Em that you mention in every post. Do you think it had a high profit? Do you think that most of those dtv flicks have a high profit? Horror films will always be made, regardless of high profit. There is such a thing as labor of love. As long as there is a couple of kids with a video camera somewhere in the world, horror films will be made.

ShamSham04

12-28-2003, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by avenger00soul
So you're saying that no horror films would be made if there was not a high profit? Let's think about this Axe Em that you mention in every post. Do you think it had a high profit? Do you think that most of those dtv flicks have a high profit? Horror films will always be made, regardless of high profit. There is such a thing as labor of love. As long as there is a couple of kids with a video camera somewhere in the world, horror films will be made.

I see your point. And I agree; horror films will always be made. But the ones that go DTV will make some sort of profit, and that's what they were made for. I didn't mean that every single one is gonna make a high profit, and I'm sorry if I confused you. I just think that horror films are the easiest movies to make, and when DTV, most profitable compared to other genres. They aren't made specifically for horror fans.

avenger00soul

12-28-2003, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by ShamSham04
I see your point. And I agree; horror films will always be made. But the ones that go DTV will make some sort of profit, and that's what they were made for. I didn't mean that every single one is gonna make a high profit, and I'm sorry if I confused you. I just think that horror films are the easiest movies to make, and when DTV, most profitable compared to other genres. They aren't made specifically for horror fans.

Some are made specifically for profit, but some are made for fans too. Usually the ones made BY fans are for fans. Profit's always nice, no one will argue against that. But some of those guys out there use their profit just to finance their next film.

Money is an intergral part of filmmaking. It's a sad fact. You need money to make a film, and you want to, at least, make that money back. But not every person is out there just for a buck.

Haunted

12-28-2003, 01:43 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by moonsorrow
[B]im not an expert on the topic but i think your missing an s...
but yeah like you said we get scary games... but the movies! but like oiled shit theyr just going down the toilet, theyv traded suspence for gore and i dont like it one bit.

I did leave out an 's.' Thank you for catching that. You left out an apostrophe.;) :D heeheehee

devilsbackbone

12-28-2003, 01:55 PM

wi think we need some new horror movies also! but where have all the directors gone? i think its tine kine and spealburg put their minds together and make a movie! or we could have burton and king or burton and spealburg......THINK OF THE POSSIBILITIES!!!

agoniste

12-28-2003, 03:43 PM

even ifit's a recent movie i liked FRAILTY..

it was a good idea.

crazy clown

12-28-2003, 04:20 PM

frailty was ok.

avenger00soul

12-28-2003, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by agoniste
even ifit's a recent movie i liked FRAILTY..

it was a good idea.

Loved that film. Paxton proves he is a man of many talents.

Ritualistic

12-28-2003, 05:06 PM

I am just glad in the 70`s and 80`s so many great horror flicks were made; it maes up for all the shit put out today...

cheebacheeba

12-28-2003, 06:07 PM

sorrow....do ya think they'll start calling movies like final destination and Jeepers Creepers "Nu-Horror"? heh-heh...

moonsorrow

12-28-2003, 06:09 PM

course we need the shitty horror movies as well, thats just what makes all the other movies worth the wait, am i right?
but like someone said earlier im pretty exited to see what 2004 brings, i know i can hardley wait to see bubba hotep, not a horror movie i know but i cant wait to see troy either.
i guess im just whining to much but horror has had a slow time the last years, i think il find myself in search of indie horror pretty soon.

moonsorrow

12-28-2003, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by cheebacheeba
sorrow....do ya think they'll start calling movies like final destination and Jeepers Creepers "Nu-Horror"? heh-heh...

HAHAHA!!! if they did id go bzerk, nu-horror... queen of the damned was an nu-horror now that you mention it...rrrrrrrrrkæll!

Egekrusher

12-29-2003, 08:19 AM

I agree with the first poster. It seems as though MOST of the new horror movies that are coming out are not even intended to be horror... more comedy than anything else. Seriously, was anyone even REMOTELY scared by Scream? I Know What You Did Last Summer? Final Destination? These movies are not intended to even be scary, they're intended to make money. It's pathetic. Even in the past, when horror movies were made for the sake of making money, they still at least ATTEMPTED to be frightening. I'm sick of all this new garbage. Even Jeepers Creepers was utter garbage. I'd rather watch bread rise than watch that piece of shit.

I dig the term "nu-horror", because that's exactly how it feels. Not original, not scary, just an amalgam of recycled garbage created for the sole purpose of lining the MPAA's and crew's pocket books.

bloodrayne

12-29-2003, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by cheebacheeba
sorrow....do ya think they'll start calling movies like final destination and Jeepers Creepers "Nu-Horror"? heh-heh...

They will now!...You just coined a new term...That's pretty cool:D

Haunted

12-29-2003, 09:26 AM

..."classic horror...?" I have stated that I thought "The Others" was a really creepy film. It was the same kind of creepy that you might find in Vincent Price's films or maybe even in Hitchcock (The Black cat, for example). So there's also that kind of scary film, though I will admit it's not a visual as say, NoLD.

What if we regressed to the era after Dracula, The Mummy, and Frankenstien, but before, The Birds and Psycho, where it was more about the paranormal and less about gore? (Don't get me wrong, gore is awesome). Early Hitchcock

Furthermore, I though that the remakings of both Dracula and the Mummy took away the "horror" of the movie and made them...oh..pretty.

moonsorrow

12-29-2003, 11:21 AM

nu-horror... looks like i have a new war to fight.

_Leatha_Face_

12-29-2003, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by moonsorrow
nu-horror... looks like i have a new war to fight. times have changed we're never gonna get those good movies we loved in the past

moonsorrow

12-29-2003, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by _Leatha_Face_
times have changed we're never gonna get those good movies we loved in the past

the future is yet to be told, the decade is far from over and im sure everyone will find something to like in the vastness of horror.

avenger00soul

12-29-2003, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by moonsorrow
the future is yet to be told, the decade is far from over and im sure everyone will find something to like in the vastness of horror.

Agreed. I'm pretty happy with the way things are going actually. Some of my favorite horror films have been made in recent years: Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust, Frailty, Dagon, and May.