MurderDoll's intelligent thread #147

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

I was reading through some comments earlier, mainly those of a pretentious asshole and a mindless puppet. (not naming any names :rolleyes: ) Anyway, I've been told that you guys want to see some "intelligent threads" and well I think I have a long standing record of giving the people what they want to see. ;)

So here it is, a moral question. One of your friends (not your best friend just maybe someone you hang out with once in awhile) is in the hospital dying. S/he desperately needs blood and just so happens that you have the same blood type. So you give them blood right? wait, there's more. A baby is just rushed in and you overhear the doctors talking about how the mother and father died and the baby isn't going to make it because nobody has the same blood type. Then you hear the blood type, it's the same as yours.So do you save your friend? A person that you know and a person who's early exit would probably effects a number of people or do you save this unknown baby with no parents who has no clue what's going on?

Why?

[azathoth777]

I'd save the friend. If the baby lives, what's it got to look forward to? Orphanage, foster homes. If it's lucky it won't get beaten or worse. Who knows what's in store for it....
Also, I'd be kind of a selfish bastard in this case. Fuck that baby, I don't know him or his parents. I don't want a friend to die. Been there, and I'd do just about anything to avoid it again.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

I'd save the friend. If the baby lives, what's it got to look forward to? Orphanage, foster homes. If it's lucky it won't get beaten or worse. Who knows what's in store for it....
Also, I'd be kind of a selfish bastard in this case. Fuck that baby, I don't know him or his parents. I don't want a friend to die. Been there, and I'd do just about anything to avoid it again.

Excellent points.

Extra points for saying "fuck that baby"

[urgeok]

i'd save them both ... take all my blood.

i'd never be able to live with myself without becoming some kind of raving deadbeat alcoholic mess with the knowledge that I was - in a way - responsible for letting either one die..

i have thalassemia anyway - so i cant give blood anyway i dont think :)

[_____V_____]

i have thalassemia anyway - so i cant give blood anyway i dont think :)

damn...sorry Urge, didnt know bout that...

I d do the same what he said. Try my best to save them both. At least that way I wont have to spend the rest of my life knowing that I had the power and the chance to save two lives, and I was selfish enough to choose one over the other, and valued my own life over either one of them.

[urgeok]

thalassemia .. i have the mild version .. no real effect.
blood cells die fast and over produce iron to compensate.
at worse i get really tired - more than normal - when i'm sick .. but i rarely get sick.

its hereditary - and very strange for a wasp to get it .. more common in mediterranians, asians, and africans.

[ENTITY2000]

well hate to get all real and shit but my brother is in the hospital right now and it's not blood he needs it's a kidney he only has one as it is and yes when the time comes i will give him one of mine, if our blood type matches!
we went to get our blood tested back a couple of months but the stupid doctor said it wasn't necessay at that time just for him to take antibiotics.
they took a biopsy of his kidney today and we will know the news tomorrow
the news that determines if he will suffer on dialysis sp? until we can get a match if i donot fit the criteria! so those who pray please say a blessing for us both! thankyou

ENTITY2000

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

i'd save them both ... take all my blood.

i'd never be able to live with myself without becoming some kind of raving deadbeat alcoholic mess with the knowledge that I was - in a way - responsible for letting either one die..

i have thalassemia anyway - so i cant give blood anyway i dont think :)

hahahaha I will allow one and only one sidestep. ;)

So if you're in a position to save a life, you're in a way responsible for letting people die.

If the 80 year old neighbor who was always yelling at your kids for playing to close to his lawn fell asleep smoking and his house went up in flames would you feel the same way? Would you gamble your life and a part of your family and friends' life to save a horrible old man? :confused:

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

I d do the same what he said. Try my best to save them both. At least that way I wont have to spend the rest of my life knowing that I had the power and the chance to save two lives, and I was selfish enough to choose one over the other, and valued my own life over either one of them.

Urgeok already used up the sidestep, you have to save one. :cool:

They need the blood fast! They'll both die if you try and supply both of them.

[urgeok]

hahahaha I will allow one and only one sidestep. ;)

So if you're in a position to save a life, you're in a way responsible for letting people die.

If the 80 year old neighbor who was always yelling at your kids for playing to close to his lawn fell asleep smoking and his house went up in flames would you feel the same way? Would you gamble your life and a part of your family and friends' life to save a horrible old man? :confused:


no - fuck that guy ... he had his shot and he's a stupid asshole and a liability.
that baby never had a chance and i think everyone should get a chance after going through 9 months of gestation and battling throught he birth process.

but actually ... i'd probably try to save the guy anyway - but not at the ridiculous risk i'd be willing to take if it was a child.

if he was a known pedophile or wife beater - i'd probably throw sticks and newspaper on the fire.

[_____V_____]

well hate to get all real and shit but my brother is in the hospital right now and it's not blood he needs it's a kidney he only has one as it is and yes when the time comes i will give him one of mine, if our blood type matches!
we went to get our blood tested back a couple of months but the stupid doctor said it wasn't necessay at that time just for him to take antibiotics.
they took a biopsy of his kidney today and we will know the news tomorrow
the news that determines if he will suffer on dialysis sp? until we can get a match if i donot fit the criteria! so those who pray please say a blessing for us both! thankyou
ENTITY2000

sorry to hear that E...my best wishes to him and prayers for all of your family...

hopefully the report turns out for the better for all of you.


If the 80 year old neighbor who was always yelling at your kids for playing to close to his lawn fell asleep smoking and his house went up in flames would you feel the same way? Would you gamble your life and a part of your family and friends' life to save a horrible old man? :confused:

well...there's no way of knowing how the old man was in his life...if he was a nice old man but grumbly because he lived alone or his kids have left him to die because he was a liability to them, then I would definitely try to save him.

(PS :- A lot of old people I ve met are leading such lives because their grown up children cannot support them anymore in their old age...how must they be leading their lives?)

If otherwise, then I d let him burn. No use risking my life and those who are dependent on me for someone such as him. He probably lived his days anyway.

[_____V_____]

thalassemia .. i have the mild version .. no real effect.
blood cells die fast and over produce iron to compensate.
at worse i get really tired - more than normal - when i'm sick .. but i rarely get sick.

I remember you mentioning about it when you had that leg operation of yours last year. It still sucks to have it though...hopefully it ll stay in control throughout your life.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

no - fuck that guy ... he had his shot and he's a stupid asshole and a liability.
that baby never had a chance and i think everyone should get a chance after going through 9 months of gestation and battling throught he birth process.


OK, I can understand that. You've also just accidentally fallen into the "I'd save the baby" answer :)

It's like s/he got a chance and now you can give someone else a chance, even if your seeing to an early exit for your friend. I guess on the scale going up to oh eternity the difference between 20 years and 80 just isn't that significant.


ENTITY: I hope things work out, keep me posted. I know you can't trust the opinions of asshole doctors around here, hope your doctors are better :mad:

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

well...there's no way of knowing how the old man was in his life...if he was a nice old man but grumbly because he lived alone or his kids have left him to die because he was a liability to them, then I would definitely try to save him.


but what are you saving?

potentially 5 or 10 years of yelling at kids on your lawn? :) You'd put that up against your own life?

[_____V_____]

but what are you saving?

potentially 5 or 10 years of yelling at kids on your lawn? :) You'd put that up against your own life?

A human life is a human life. When we value ours and of those who are close to us, why not of someone who must have lead a long, unhappy and bleak one?

Like I said, it all depends on what kind of person he is. If he's an asshole, I d let him burn to a crisp and prolly use the fire to have a barbecue or something.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

A human life is a human life. When we value ours and of those who are close to us, why not of someone who must have lead a long, unhappy and bleak one?

Like I said, it all depends on what kind of person he is. If he's an asshole, I d let him burn to a crisp and prolly use the fire to have a barbecue or something.

whoa whoa whoa back it up. What happened to a human life is a human life? Now you're having a barbeque to the cacophony of screams and burning flesh? That is a nice mental image though... ;)

I'm nice to certain people
I'm mean to other people
I give blood frequently
I hate fat people
I'm shallow
I'm arrogant
I'm very selfish sometimes
I think death can be extremely funny (some people think this alone qualifies me as a horrible person)

What am I? A good person or an asshole? well that all depends on who you ask. ;)

[_____V_____]

Scenario 1 :- well...there's no way of knowing how the old man was in his life...if he was a nice old man but grumbly because he lived alone or his kids have left him to die because he was a liability to them, then I would definitely try to save him.

Scenario 2 :- If otherwise, then I d let him burn. No use risking my life and those who are dependent on me for someone such as him. He probably lived his days anyway.

^^^^^

:D

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

^^^^^

:D

you had it right on the first line though, there's no way of knowing how the old man was in his life. :cool:

My feeling is why should I have to risk your life to save someone else's? If anything I think that unfair to me that it would be some how expected by people. Some people would say that's selfish, but I'm not going to risk my life to save someone that doesn't directly effect me. Even my reason for wanting to save someone is selfish, because I'd be saving them because of their effect on MY life.

So let's get back to the question... Do you save the baby or your friend?

[_____V_____]

If I really have to choose 1 from those two...I d go for the friend. For the simple reason that he/she has a life of their own, and people love him/her and are dependent on him/her...

On the other hand, a baby who's just come to the world, will not be much affected (or much missed either if both its parents are dead) if it has a quick death. At least, it will be spared from the vagaries, suffering and ingloriousness that the world has to offer to it.

[Phalanx]

was reading through some comments earlier, mainly those of a pretentious asshole and a mindless puppet.
I get it...so next time you agree with someone you're a mindless puppet too? I assume you're talking about the chick you think you're gonna get a reaction from, since you've always had fun taunting her in the past like the snide little insecure bitch you are, but yknow you're talking about angra the mindless puppet too, right?
FYI, Last I checked, the mindless puppets were the ones that went with the majority, aka - YOU and the rest...so...might wanna consider that before you even attempt to think you're above anyone or anything...for as worldly and clever as you try to come across, generally you're just a condescending ass who probably lives with her parents and knows fuck all about life...not a whole lot more.

However, you've actually made a half decent thread here...so as arrogant a jerk you were in doing so, my mission is accomplished, bet that stings some, huh?

In response...
If it's only more towards an aquaintance than a friend, and a baby that I knew little of other than what I'd heard, I'd consider the baby more of a priority. I would imagine the baby would grow into a strong person, and perhaps their experience will gear them towards helping others in the future...if I were to compare that with people that I only sometimes hang with, it would be a more favourable potential outcome...of course I'd feel some small loss, no doubt...but if they're only a "sometimes" friend, I'd have to assume there'd be a reason why they weren't a better friend. Again, I'd see greater potential for humanity in the baby. May not turn out how I'd think...but I'm only going on personal perspective, it's not as though there's any "right" answer here.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

However, you've actually made a half decent thread here...so as arrogant a jerk you were in doing so, my mission is accomplished, bet that stings some, huh?


nope.


In response...
If it's only more towards an aquaintance than a friend, and a baby that I knew little of other than what I'd heard, I'd consider the baby more of a priority. I would imagine the baby would grow into a strong person, and perhaps their experience will gear them towards helping others in the future...if I were to compare that with people that I only sometimes hang with, it would be a more favourable potential outcome...of course I'd feel some small loss, no doubt...but if they're only a "sometimes" friend, I'd have to assume there'd be a reason why they weren't a better friend. Again, I'd see greater potential for humanity in the baby. May not turn out how I'd think...but I'm only going on personal perspective, it's not as though there's any "right" answer here.

If anyone's experience would gear them towards helping others in the future it would be your friend. I think when the kid can understand what happened, the whole dead parents thing will probably overpower the caring stranger bit. Also the baby could turn out good or bad, your friend is obviously a friend for a reason. I'd say growing up an orphan would even lean him towards the bad side of the spectrum, best case scenario you're looking at 50/50. Not great odds in my personal opinion.

[urgeok]

OK, I can understand that. You've also just accidentally fallen into the "I'd save the baby" answer :)

It's like s/he got a chance and now you can give someone else a chance, even if your seeing to an early exit for your friend. I guess on the scale going up to oh eternity the difference between 20 years and 80 just isn't that significant.


ENTITY: I hope things work out, keep me posted. I know you can't trust the opinions of asshole doctors around here, hope your doctors are better :mad:


it is said that every single act we do is because we are selfish - even the good ones.
i think there is a grain of truth to that... my decision would probably be based on how i could live with myself after.

regardless of the scenario the core of what you're asking is - what kind of life do you value more - a friend or a stranger..

i think for me it would be a case to case basis ..
your particular scenario would be a no win situation for me because i couldnt live with myself after .. a young friend vs a baby - i couldnt chose.

an old bastard and a baby - i'd pick the baby (if there was absolutely nothing i could do for the old bastard)

since having my son i feel very strongly towards the protection of babys.. once you experience first hand how defensless, and dependant they are - on you - it really brings out the protector in you - or it did in me anyway.


re the blood disease thing - its nothing at all really - no measurable effect - didnt even know i had it till i was in my 30's and we dont even know what parent has it ..

the only risk is if i married someone with the same affliction - and had a baby - the baby has a 1 in 4 chance of getting the advanced version of the disease (alpha) and they dont live very long at all...

[slasherman]

I'm nice to certain people
I swallow

:rolleyes:

[tic]

A few years back (college, i think) the class members had a similar scenario to the one mentioned; the difference was that the man/woman wasn't a friend but an imminent heart surgeon. It was later mentioned (after everybody had picked their choice) that the baby would grow up to be a millionaire who would spend his/her money helping the poor and giving money to medical charities; which would ultimately lead to a cure for Cancer and Aids, thereby saving millions across the globe; which sort of changed the whole scenario.

Without this knowledge most people went on gut instinct.

My own opinion (with or without, the later knowledge gained) was i would have chosen the baby - simply because unless we are extremely psychic, we can't possibly predict anyones future. The baby may go on to be the future president, or the most notorious mass murderer, history has ever known, or catch some virus that could end up in death or extreme disability

The "friend" may die on the operating table, get run over by a bus, die in a car crash while leaving the hospital etc

I think we can't really answer the question until we are ourselves faced with the actual problem.....Let our concience be our guide.

[The Flayed One]

Fuck that. My blood, nobody's getting any.

As far as the old man goes, if I'm out of the house I don't care. If his screaming is going to disturb my watching reruns of Benny Hill, then I guess I might spray him with the garden hose so I could get some peace and quiet.

[Zero]

hmm, who was that guy???

as for me - i'd like to think that, rationally, i'd give the blood to the baby who has a whole life of potential ahead of him, but i think i'd probably give it to my friend out of sheer guilt


(and for the record, I am a pretentious asshole!)

[Zero]

oh - and big prayers to entity's friend - hope it helps!

[Angra]

:rolleyes:




LMMAO

Brilliant.

[crabapple]

I would call Dracula and have him come over and vampirize the baby and then it'll have eternal life. Then I would get a zombie and have the zombie bite my friend and that would turn the friend into a walking ghoul creature. (Maybe after that he would shut the hell up for a change!!) Then they could both fight and someone could film it. I win; I win the thread.

[BudMan]

Fuck it.....other than immediate family, no one gets my blood.



They would just get drunk anyway

[urgeok]

Fuck it.....other than immediate family, no one gets my blood.



They would just get drunk anyway



you're assuming they'd take it :)

[BudMan]

Tarbender......hic.......fill er up.

http://www.rugbyimports.com/prodimg/GCI112.jpg

[stygianwitch]

Tarbender......hic.......fill er up.

http://www.rugbyimports.com/prodimg/GCI112.jpg

Here ya go...

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l273/starbuck_2/beer1.jpg

[bloodrayne]

Fuck it.....other than immediate family, no one gets my blood.

That seems a bit cold...That's why I didn't really just wanna come out and say it....But...YOU said it...So...There it is...



@Urge...It's very considerate of you to want to save both, even if it meant your own death...But...What about your kids?...As much as these two people may need your blood, your kids need YOU more


I couldn't take from my kids to give to ANYONE...


Hmm...That leads to an even worse scenario...What if 2 of my kids needed my blood, and that would leave me without any and cause my death?...They would have life but no mother.......That would be the only way that I would do it...I would gratefully give up my life for my kids...But, I would be so worried about what would happen to them without me......Damn...That's a tough one

[urgeok]

how much could a baby possibly need ?


anyway - its a heat of the moment thing ..

i dont think firemen and policemen avoid doing what they have to do because they worry about who they're leaving behind... you do what you've been trained to do - or what's instinctual.

personally - as someone else above said - you dont have a clue what you'll really do until faced with the situation in real life.

we're all hypethetically heros or zeros ... but in real life - that could all reverse itself in a hurry.

[Zero]

we're all hypethetically heros or zeros ...

i'm both!!

:D

[urgeok]

christ i wish i could check my spelling before hitting submit sometimes

[novakru]

if you save a life...doncha get a free ticket to heaven or something?

pphhtt, anyway...
I 'd save them both, regardless of who they were.

[crabapple]

Would you really still save them both.....if your friend was a BIGAMIST, and the baby a LOWLY CHIMNEY SWEEP?

[novakru]

Would you really still save them both.....if your friend was a BIGAMIST, and the baby a LOWLY CHIMNEY SWEEP?

abso-f@#$ing-lutely:D

[crabapple]

You who would save a bigamist and a chimney sweep--you are Eville!