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The STE
09-07-2006, 06:17 PM
The Quest For Immortality
Aubrey de Grey is a scientist with The Methuselah Foundation. He's got a background in computer science. He has used his engineering mindset to come up with an engineering approach to stop the aging process dead in its tracks (pun intended). This will allow humanity to stay young forever and live an indefinate lifespan.

A few years ago, Aubrey began digging around in scientific publications in order to find out what exactly causes us to age. As it turns out, there are only 7 major processes that cause our bodies to become old and wither away.

Why is he so sure there are only 7? Because the last one of those 7 has been found over 20 years ago. And 20 years just so happens to be an eternity in science. Had there been more aging processes in our bodies, science would have surely found some of those more recently.

The seven things that slowly kill us over time are:

Too few cells
Too many cells (cancer)
Chromosomal mutations (dna corruption)
Mitochondrial mutations (another type of dna corruption)
Junk inside cells
Junk outside cells
Protein crosslinking outside of cells

And that's basically it. Tweak all of those so they don't do damage anymore, and you've got yourself a non-aging human.

A huge task, but peanuts compared to the impossible task that some researchers, with the impractical researcher mindset that doesn't aim for application in practice, would have you believe.

For details, check Aubrey's site on SENS (Strategies for Engineering Negligible Senescence). Everything is explained there, from the technical stuff to the most basic of immortality-related concerns.

Aubrey's SENS has had some criticism. Nobody ever manages to build a solid case against SENS, but some keep critisizing it anyway. So Aubrey has issued a challenge in July 2005. Anybody who can construct a solid case against SENS, can win 20.000 dollars. Easy money... you'd think. Strangely, nobody has picked up the challenge yet.

Gee, I wonder why.

In order to get enough funds available to engineer immortality in humans, Aubrey first wants to implement it in a mouse. Once the world has seen that it is possible to seriously intervene in the aging process, the funds will surely flow. Human immortality should come no more than a few years behind rodent immortality. Aubrey thinks it is achievable in about 25 years.

In order to achieve the world's first immortal mouse within the next 10 years, Aubrey has come up with the Methuselah Mouse Prize. The M-Prize can be donated to, and whoever demonstrates a record life extension in mice receives a financial prize.

History shows this is a very succesful model. The Ansari X-Prize for cheap spaceflights has collected several millions over several years. Those cheap spaceflights were made not too long ago.

The M-Prize is growing much faster than the X-Prize did in its day. At the moment, it is at 3.209.275 dollars. That's impressive, especially if you consider that the M-Prize has only been around for about 2.5 years. It was at only just below 2 million not so long ago, but a generous and anonimous donater put an extra million on there and pushed it towards the 3 million. Now, it has already climbed up to 3.2 million.

Aubrey has recently had some nice exposure when he went on CBS 60 Minutes (America's most popular news program, or so I've read). An inside friend of mine tells me this appearance was a really big deal, and site hits increased massively. It is fascinating to see all of this coming into the mainstream. The interviewer, Morley Safer, took Aubrey seriously. No laughing and pointing fingers at his 'crackpot' ideas. Not bad if you consider that the word 'immortality' has only been accepted in scientific circles a few years ago.

It will be extremely interesting to see this pick up even more and more in the years to come.

Statistics show that curing diseases such as cancer and diabetes will only prolong our lives by a few measly years, while intercepting aging itself will increase our lifespans with decades. We're losing 100.000 people per day to old age. The world sorely needs a cure for aging. It's about time we got practical and efficient, and pump our research dollars where they matter... into anti-aging research.

Wanna help turn this into a reality?

You can!

Spread the meme. That is very important. Tell all your friends and relatives. Post about it on your favorite forum.

Know any rich folks? Enlighten them and talk them into donating to the M-Prize.

Do whatever it takes to let it be known to the world that we can stop aging and live healthily for as long as we like. Let it be known that this is for real, and that the science behind immortality is as solid as a ton of bricks.

Together... we can take on death.

The_Return
09-07-2006, 06:30 PM
Who would want to live forever anyway?

Who does this guy think he is anyway, trying to put funeral directors, undertakers and the like out of business?

I think he was "touched" by a mortician as a child.

PR3SSUR3
09-07-2006, 06:43 PM
Now that's forward thinking - good luck to him.

The STE
09-07-2006, 08:01 PM
Originally posted by The_Return
Who would want to live forever anyway?

me

ItsAlive75
09-07-2006, 08:03 PM
Originally posted by The STE
me

Man, aint you never seen Death Becomes Her? You don't wanna end up like Goldie Hawn, do you?

The STE
09-07-2006, 08:30 PM
that movie sucked

ItsAlive75
09-07-2006, 08:34 PM
Yeah, but I'll always remember Bruce Willis from that movie...

http://redakce.atlas.cz/edition_files/filmpub/78/1863.jpg

So MANLY.

azathoth777
09-07-2006, 08:54 PM
Great, like there isn't enough people in the world. With no one dying off eveywhere would be like China.

The STE
09-07-2006, 09:15 PM
with nobody dying off, we'll be able to have more scientists discovering ways to colonize other planets

Roderick Usher
09-07-2006, 09:23 PM
immortality is a curse.

Without death, there is no appreciation for life, no art no music. Man doesn’t need to create if he never dies. It’s the desire to make something better than yourself, longer lasting than yourself that drives mankind to create. Death is the inspiration for everything beautiful in this world.

The STE
09-07-2006, 09:42 PM
don't care. I'd totally go for immortality.

azathoth777
09-07-2006, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by The STE
with nobody dying off, we'll be able to have more scientists discovering ways to colonize other planets

They would more likely be trying to figure out how to feed everyone. More people, less room, less farmlands....

Roderick Usher
09-07-2006, 09:55 PM
Originally posted by azathoth777
They would more likely be trying to figure out how to feed everyone. More people, less room, less farmlands....

SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!!:eek:

The STE
09-07-2006, 10:12 PM
I'm sure if people ever became immortal that there would be severe birth control laws (fine by me, fuck children)

azathoth777
09-07-2006, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by The STE
I'm sure if people ever became immortal that there would be severe birth control laws (fine by me, fuck children)

Great, so the government can butt in and control another aspect of my life(not that I want children, I hate the filthy little buggers). No, thanks. I'll take the unknowns of death....

Birthing laws hasn't stopped China.....

The STE
09-07-2006, 10:38 PM
ok, hows this. You guys can die all you want. I'll take the immortality.

Miss Olivia
09-07-2006, 11:02 PM
Hell yes, I would live forever. If I get too bored, I can always off myself.

bwind22
09-08-2006, 12:27 AM
My first thought reading this is that it'll lead to a very over-populated planet in no time.


I have always wanted to see the Armaggedon though and this could be my chance...

Zero
09-08-2006, 03:31 AM
what's so bad about death? personally, i could use the sleep

The Flayed One
09-08-2006, 03:35 AM
Sign me up for immortality. It's the only way I'll ever have enough time to do all the things I want to.

XtRaVa
09-08-2006, 06:33 AM
Immortality would suck if it was only you who had it, because anyone you ever get close to or love, you would have to watch die. However if everyones immortal then that would be okay. I still dont know if I'd want to live forever, but I'd love to live for say, 1000 years. Would get to see so much stuff happen and things get invented.

I remember reading about a breakthrough in some forms of cancer, where they think they can help cure it. They know that cells are supposed to have a certain life span, and only divide a certain amount of times (causes death), but in cancer cells this trigger is not present, and instead the cells constantly divide, causing tumors.

They found a way to make the cancer cells have a life span, and naturally die, by introducing whatever stuff healthy cells have in them (dont ask me to try to remember the scientific name lol). That got me thinking, if they are close to working out how to tell cancer cells to die, then that also means they know why cancer cells dont die, and therefore technically there could be some way to rid all healthy cells of their natural shut off point and therefore live for an extremely long time, if not forever.

They would just have to work out how to stop those cells turning into tumors and multiplying faster than a normal cell rate. They can already change the rate in which cells divide and mess about with stuff like that, so technically its not all that far-fetched that one day maybe they will find a way to make us live for a lot longer.

I for one am for stem-cell research and other cell research like that, as long as its to cure diseases etc.

ItsAlive75
09-08-2006, 06:57 AM
At least if we were all immortal, I'd be friends with everyone sooner or later.

stygianwitch
09-08-2006, 07:00 AM
Dunno whether i'd like to live for 1000 years but a couple of hundred would be good, but not immortality, god i'd be bored inside a week just wondering what the hell i was going to do for the rest of eternity

Vodstok
09-08-2006, 08:19 AM
It would all come down to choice. We have the science to live for almost 100 years. All it takes is a healthy lifestyle. But there are plenty of people who choose not to.

plus, we'd still have car crashes, overdoses, suicide, domestic violence, terrorists, war, crime, poor diet and a thousand other things to keep the population down.

Not to mention natural disatsers. I am willing to bet within a year or two of success, we'd get hit by an asteroid or something. fate has a sick sense of irony.

AUSTIN316426808
09-08-2006, 06:01 PM
I wouldn't mind immortality one bit. Doesn't exactly say you'd be superman, just the aging process would stop and if you're around long enough the odds 'll catch up to ya eventually.

PR3SSUR3
09-08-2006, 06:08 PM
Everyone who claims they wouldn't like to live forever are lying bastardos.

But I think the most important thing to consider is about getting old - who wants that?

The acceptance of failing faculties and an impending switching off to: oblivion?

Give me a break - rescue me while I'm still young please.



:cool:

The STE
09-08-2006, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by stygianwitch
Dunno whether i'd like to live for 1000 years but a couple of hundred would be good, but not immortality, god i'd be bored inside a week just wondering what the hell i was going to do for the rest of eternity

but you'd have plenty of time to think of something

Dude Guadalupe
09-09-2006, 12:12 AM
Originally posted by Zero
what's so bad about death? personally, i could use the sleep Me too, If I stopped aging I'd just get really fat cuz I'm to lazy for eternity.

Haunted
09-10-2006, 06:25 AM
Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
Everyone who claims they wouldn't like to live forever are lying bastardos.

But I think the most important thing to consider is about getting old - who wants that?

The acceptance of failing faculties and an impending switching off to: oblivion?

Give me a break - rescue me while I'm still young please.



:cool:

Aye! You and S... I love you guys.

You're right. It's human nature to be afraid of the unknown, no matter what sort of bravado we put forth, hell I'm scared of the dying process.

However, look at the shit we've already done to this planet. Sure, we can march in with good intentions to fix things, but it wouldn't happen. We'd garner an even greater sense that we're the best and nothing else matters except humans. Thus, we would destroy ourselves utterly. It would ultimately serve no purpose except to...prolong the inevitable.

PR3SSUR3
09-10-2006, 09:17 AM
In my eternal world of Ferraris and top models, I wouldn't care so much.

Plus, as has been offered, more scientists mean the colonisation (and conquering, and sapping) of other planets ASAP.

:)

Zero
09-10-2006, 09:38 AM
bah - this is all silliness. . . as far as i know i'm already immortal! and the same is true for all of you as well. . . i mean the only way to prove mortality is to die . . . so until you are dead, assume immortality - its just easier that way

PR3SSUR3
09-10-2006, 02:41 PM
Outstanding, excellent point.