In Order To Be Fair, I Need The Opinions Of EVERY Member Of This Forum...Old And New

[bloodrayne]

I do NOT want opinions based on how you feel or what you think about the specific people involved in this...I do NOT want anyone to agree with ME, for any reason, if you truly do NOT agree with what I have said...

I want NOTHING but blatant honesty...It IS important, because this issue has been raised MANY times before...Not only concerning the members mentioned here, or in just this one incident

I would like to have this worked out once and for all so that we can move on

You will ALL be playing 'moderator consultants' in this thread...If it turns out that I have made a bad decision, or do not seem to have a firm enough grasp on how to 'perform my duties'...I will step down as moderator...Yes, it IS that important...Here is what we're working with:


The Request

Phalanx wrote on 08-09-2006 06:35 AM:
"From now on, anyone who maliciously insults someone
(including spammers, new members..) or tries to start
a fight for ANY reason, it's goodbye. No ifs, No buts."

Posted by deposable in the "cheeba cheeba" thread:

"Cheeba is a loser. Needs to grow-up. I haven't been here for what ? almost six months ?
And you are still talking shit to people and making more enemies. Wow, what a life you must have. haha"

Without even TALKING to him, he said that.

So, the rules state "no ifs, no buts"...they also state these rules are applicable to ANYONE .
I've not entered into any kind of discussion with him...I'd like to see this rule upheld.


My Response

bloodrayne wrote on 08-09-2006 10:15 AM:
I know that in the 'It Stops Now' thread, it has been laid down that we ban anyone who engages in this type of behavior "No matter who they are, or how long they've been here"...BUT....I expect the people who HAVE been here for a very long time (such as you), to know how we do things here....We ALL rip each other...What I have seen, I consider to be just goofing off between veteran members, who should know by now, not to take it seriously...I do not feel that anyone was intentionally trying to be "malicious".......He only called you a 'loser'...YOU have gotten away with FAR worse, without being banned...

So, some people here don't like you, it happens...

What we were trying to stop was the page after page personal attacks that became heated and spilled all over the forum, shitting the entire place up with bullshit...That HAS stopped, and it won't be tolerated...ONE post (even unprovoked), containing NO profanities, and only a mild derogatory statement, is not considered an all-out 'malicious attack'

Try to keep things in perspective...I see that as a very mild statement of one's opinion...If you feel compelled to respond with something like "No, YOU'RE the loser" go ahead...But, I'm sure that even though that comment made you angry, you can see how silly that is

If you feel that I have treated you unfairly in this matter, get Zwoti's opinion...And/Or we can take it to the forum and ask the opinions of the other members concerning what should and should not be considered a 'bannable offense'

We are one of the MOST tolerant forums on the internet (it's true, check around)...If we banned everyone simply for making a comment expressing their displeasure with someone, there would be no one left here

Think of it this way...If you were out shopping, and someone in your neighborhood walked up to you and said, "You're a loser, get a life"...Would you try to have them arrested?...Would you ask to have them removed and barred from the store?...That would be a little extreme, wouldn't it?

PLEASE try to understand my position...I am sorry that some of the members don't like you...You HAVE made some enemies here, but does it really matter?...MOST of the people here like you...Think of some of the things that YOU have said to some people here...Then weigh this one

Let me know if you want me to take this to the forum, and get a vote on it...I think that would be fair if you choose to go that route...

What do you think?


His Last Word

Phalanx wrote on 08-09-2006 10:50 AM:
I suggest then maybe you add a "it's ok if it's your opinion, or you're just making a statement about a person on the basis of a grudge you've been holding for far, far too long", to the "rules".
It's ridiculous.
Generally, if I've said something to someone, it's been prompted by them saying something to me first.
These statements aren't being made lightly, or as a joke. They're being made to offend, and/or to bait me into response - and it WILL continue...
If you're saying that's ok to go on for however long they see fit, simply because they're an established (although not even a good contributor in general) member, that the rules can just bounce off them...that's fucked.
I got banned for what I did, didn't I?
You can't ALWAYS be the "good guy" in everyones eyes.

I'm not going to be bothered following up on this with any additional moderation, I'm sure that the need to protect your popularity among the masses outweighs it for you all anyway, right?
Forget it.


And finally My Last Word

bloodrayne wrote on 08-09-2006 11:30 AM:

Popularity means nothing...ESPECIALLY on an internet forum, that's just lame..

Anyway...Since you obviously feel that MY opinion is biased, and you disagree with it...I suggest that we try 'majority rules'

We'll take it to the forum, and see how this is viewed by the others

Seems fair to me...

So...That's where we are now

I need your opinions on what you think about this situation...ESPECIALLY the interpretation of 'malicious attacks' and how to differentiate between just getting on someone's nerves because you may not like them, and an all out assault

I would also like to know what YOU (all of you) feel IS and is NOT a 'bannable offense'...Or should/should not be

Understand?

We (all of us) have a tendency to argue from time to time, usually because we may disagree with someone, or we simply cannot tolerate them for whatever reason...Differences of opinions and personality clashes are common for ANY societal situation...I don't feel that it would be prudent to ban someone for common human behavior

I truly believed that people understood where to draw the line, and knew when they were crossing that line

Is anyone here confused about how much is TOO much?

Now...It's your turn...I need you to be 'moderator consultants'

If ANYONE flames ANYONE in THIS thread...You will be banned...I swear to you in the name of all that is horror, I WILL do it

That is NOT what this thread is for...I need intelligent, well thought out, level-headed, unemotional responses ONLY...If any part of this pisses you off, express your anger/frustration in a PM to the party it should be directed to (preferrably ME...I can handle it), but absolutely NOT here...I believe that we are ALL mature enough to do this the right way...

Please don't make me ban you, just to prove that I will...I honestly HATE banning ANYONE...I think it's ridiculous that adults should have to be controlled by someone else...We SHOULD be able to control OURSELVES...It's disgusting

I will be taking everything that you say here into consideration

*awaiting your responses*

[Vodstok]

To be honest, the "It Stops Now" thread will lose any and all meaning and integrity if nothing is done about that, now that this whole thing has come to light.

Dep was instigating, and it's not like the mods can slap someone on the wrist here. Banning just means you have to come up with a new name and profile. Its no doubt annoying, but it;s hardly like being kicked out of the playground, never to return.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Vodstok
To be honest, the "It Stops Now" thread will lose any and all meaning and integrity if nothing is done about that, now that this whole thing has come to light.

Dep was instigating, and it's not like the mods can slap someone on the wrist here. Banning just means you have to come up with a new name and profile. Its no doubt annoying, but it;s hardly like being kicked out of the playground, never to return. Thank you, Vod...I appreciate that

So...You feel that if someone calls someone a loser, they should be banned?...MY interpretation of a 'malicious attack' was a little more than that...Perhaps I have been TOO tolerant...everyone has a different perception of things

That is EXACTLY why I need the opinions of EVERYONE here...It helps a lot :)

[Vodstok]

Calling someone a loser is one thing. im not saying that its a blanket rule, you call someone a loser, you get banned, but in this case...

There is a dog next door. its a friendly dog most of the time, but it doesnt tak emuch to get him going. so you tease it with a stick. You completely deserve it when your mother backhands you for trying to get it riled up.

same here. its based on history, he KNOWS who he is messing with and was doing it to start shit.

Now, if there was no history there and he was just some guy who went back and read the thread and said "you did that? man, what a loser." that would be a completely different thing.

[hammerfan]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
So...You feel that if someone calls someone a loser, they should be banned?...MY interpretation of a 'malicious attack' was a little more than that...Perhaps I have been TOO tolerant...everyone has a different perception of things

That is EXACTLY why I need the opinions of EVERYONE here...It helps a lot :)


I think you also have to take into consideration the person's intent. It was obvious that desposable was trying to bait cheeba because he knew he could get a rise out of him. It may not have "sounded" malicious, but, again, it was the intent of the post to get under cheeba's skin.

Does this make sense? Or is my menopausal brain failing me again?

[Phalanx]

All I'm saying is, you should back up the rules you put forth, if you intend for them to be taken seriously at all. I was banned, wasn't I? No argument from me about it.
I think any kind of behaviour that is clearly intended to instigate trouble (whether or not you claim afterwards that it's a joke, or you "weren't being serious") or evoke an agrumentative reaction ought to be acted upon.
If not, then more often than not, there will be retaliation, and a continued argument, and will more than likely take place on the forum threads as opposed to within private messages...which I believe is why you set out the "rules" in the first place.
I had intended to come back here and post relevantly, as I have been...yet, when a person is faced with insults and demeaning comments, and no kind of "authority" is willing to step on this kind of bullshit, it will either continue via means of certain people trying to "bait" others, or, one is left with no choice but to retaliate...and so on, and so on, and so on...

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by hammerfan
I think you also have to take into consideration the person's intent. It was obvious that desposable was trying to bait cheeba because he knew he could get a rise out of him. It may not have "sounded" malicious, but, again, it was the intent of the post to get under cheeba's skin.

Does this make sense? Or is my menopausal brain failing me again? this was a much better way of saying what i was trying to say :)

[bloodrayne]

BTW...I just wanted to add that 'Personal Moderating' is the ONE thing that pisses me off concerning moderators...I have actually 'STRONGLY cautioned' a couple of moderators for that type of bullshit myself...I have called people on it a couple of times in the moderator's forum (that you guys can't see, but I have no reason to lie to you), and when we 'moderators' discuss shit, I have vehemently expressed my disgust for it...

If anyone feels that I have been guilty of 'personally moderating' myself...I apologize that you may have perceived something I have done or said in that manner, BUT you are wrong...It's that simple

I treat everyone (except Bane) the same way here...I feel that I have been MORE than fair


You guys can discuss THIS statement, too...If ya like

[crabapple]

Here's the thing, Bloodrayne...you're a moderator, right? And you're not a robot, you're a person. Your decision on what "crosses the line" is up to your interpretation. There's NO WAY to accurately DEFINE when something someone types is offensive or malicious. It's purely up to the interpretation of the person looking at it. It's a hard job!

Heck, I jokingly called someone a "LOSER" once, and it was a joke, and everyone understood that, and it was funny. Technically, I insulted that person, but it wasn't "meant" maliciously, and in my opinion, it wasn't a flame; it was a joke. Was my joke objectionable? Not my job to decide that.

So who decides when something is "meant" with sufficient malicious intent to be objectionable?

You do, because you're the moderator.

[The Flayed One]

Well, I think we're going into an extremely grey area here. What Dep said was borderline antagonizing. Where do we draw the line, though?

BTW, YOU KNOW I LOVE YOU BLOODRAYNE AND THE FOLLOWING IS JUST AN EXAMPLE!

For instance, if I said:

"Bloodrayne, you really annoy me. As far as I can see, you've been irking people for a long time. Why don't you ltry to make your posts relavent or go somewhere else?"

That's an opinion, although being a strong and possibly hurtful one. Being blunt upsets people sometimes.

Then again, if I posted:

"Bloodrayne, you're a fucking annoying idiot. All you do around here is piss people off with your idiotic shit. Either learn to not be such a fucktard, or fuck off?"

Well, I said basically the same thing, but that time it was obviously to try to bait you into a flame war. It's still the same opinion, but it's intentionally malicious & hurtful.

Where do we draw the line? I don't know. I'm sure cheebs is upset because he got banned for breaking the rules, and now he sees what is in his opinion breaking the rules going unpunished.

I feel what Dep said is borderlining between the two examples I offered above. Whatever we decide, we need to think long and hard about it. If this is going to be the example, it's going to need to stick or the whole thing is pointless. I don't want to have to sit through a bunch of people spewing bile at each other, but I also want to be able to tell someone they're being annoying without fear of being banned.

[bloodrayne]

Okay...I want to respond to ALL of the posts that you guys made while I was typing out my last post...Cuz...I type s-l-o-w-l-y :D

Gimme a sec...Or...a couple

[slasherman]

..the only reason to ban someone is when somebody deliberately tries to sabotage this forum...namecalling and such must be tolerated...even words like; loser, you fucking whore, fucking noob, cocksucker......spamming is sabotage....

[Phalanx]

Oh hey, now there's a productive response...

First of all, I think everybody can draw the line between a bit of ball-busting among friends and associates, and an insult/insinuation/statement of malicious intent.

As for profanity...I personally don't think "cunt" "cocksucker", and any or all insults/words of a derogatory nature in regard to sexual preferance, or race should be ablt to enter into the forum.

Shit, bullshit, fuck...whatever, those are pretty commonplace and as long as theyre used within moderation, that's ok.

The other stuff, however is a little overboard, considering the problems we've had with some of the younger members parents...etc, and no doubt how the horror community is viewed at large, I think there's certain limits to the profanity that should be enforced.

Besides the point of the thread, but, I think that slasherman bought up a valid point, in his way...

[Zero]

*Edited because I got one of the names wrong - sorry*
BR-

I think you did the right thing here. It is unfortunate that some in the forum don't like each other and even more unfortunate that they seem to seek each other out to demonstrate their dislike for all to see.

I don't think there is any logic in the claim that the letter of the law must be absolute or the law is meaningless. No system of actual jurisprudence functions that way - there are interpretations of the law, precedents, case-law, etc. All these are ways of saying that a given community has rules but always applies those rules to a given situation in ways that are sensitive to the particulars of that situation.

What is really at stake here - I think - is whether we want to put the power of interpreting the rules and applying them to a given situation in the hands of the moderators. In other words are the mods to be the judges who decide these questions. I think the only logical answer is 'yes.' The other alternatives are: 1) Allow the wronged party to decide if a rule was broken. In this case we would allow Cheeba to decide that the unpleasant things said about him are a violation and, in effect, allow him to ban Dep. Two problems with this - 1) it would be too intensely subjective (I mean I could take offense at being called a "silly monkey" if I were in a particularly bad mood and then demand that the person be banned even though I have called myself a monkey on many occassions (though never silly - hmm). . . and 2) in practical terms this would probably end up with everyone being banned (hell, i might even ban myself). A second alternative would be to allow each person to decide for themselves if they did or did not violate the rules - so in this case Dep would decide if he was in violation. . I think this one is obviously unworkable and would lead us back to the days of endless STFU NOOB posts *shudders*

The only viable alternative to the dilemma is to have some neutral third party decide on rule violations. In our configuration those are mods. The only way I could see to improve this situation (if people really really feel certain mods are being unfair) would be to have occassional 'elections' where, perhaps a certain mod could be given a vote of 'no confidence.'

But, in principle, it seems to me that BR is the mod and in my experience is fair and reasonable in her judgments. So I give my full vote of confidence and my genuine hope that people can either get along or at least stay out of each other's way.

Peace out!

[Phalanx]

my genuine hope that people can either get along or at least stay out of each other's way.
I would hope so too, it's my reason for bringing this all up in the first place.
I cannot claim complete innocence in terms of things said and wrongdoing in the past, but right now, I'm here to post. I like the conversations I have with people here, which is why I returned.
I didn't return to be insulted, or baited into taking a step towards the negative again...I'm the first to admit I have a short fuse, but I'm trying not to let that effect me, it doesn't help when a person/people make it their sole intention to ignite it.

[Zero]

Originally posted by Phalanx
I would hope so too, it's my reason for bringing this all up in the first place.
I cannot claim complete innocence in terms of things said and wrongdoing in the past, but right now, I'm here to post. I like the conversations I have with people here, which is why I returned.
I didn't return to be insulted, or baited into taking a step towards the negative again...I'm the first to admit I have a short fuse, but I'm trying not to let that effect me, it doesn't help when a person/people make it their sole intention to ignite it.

its a good point and i for one think its good to raise and discuss. its almost a pity we can't have that ignore key you get in some chat rooms so you could just not see the posts of certain members (of course if that were the case all my posts would be invisible :( )

:D

[Angelakillsluts]

Originally posted by Phalanx

The other stuff, however is a little overboard, considering the problems we've had with some of the younger members parents...etc, and no doubt how the horror community is viewed at large, I think there's certain limits to the profanity that should be enforced.


Agreed. Glad to see you come back btw :)

Here's the thing, Bloodrayne...you're a moderator, right? And you're not a robot, you're a person. Your decision on what "crosses the line" is up to your interpretation. There's NO WAY to accurately DEFINE when something someone types is offensive or malicious. It's purely up to the interpretation of the person looking at it. It's a hard job!

BR: I think you're doing a great job at pretty much singlehandedly moderating this place.

[Ooky_Kabuki]

Originally posted by slasherman
..the only reason to ban someone is when somebody deliberately tries to sabotage this forum...namecalling and such must be tolerated...even words like; loser, you fucking whore, fucking noob, cocksucker......spamming is sabotage....

I don't agree with this-this post is going too far (yet I did have to click to read it cause this person is on my ignore list). I'm a newbie and I have been treated pretty bad so far and if this kind of stuff keeps up I don't want to be associated with this forum and I would/will encourage others to do the same if I decide to leave.

That being said, I think that we need to use common sense. If you don't want to be called a loser or worse or a "spammer" because you post one message then you should show other people the respect that you think YOU deserve.

If you call someone a loser or anything else I think you should expect to see consequences. As adults in this society, we don't have to tolerate such conduct. Yes, I know that we have a First Amendment right (I AM in law school) to freedom of speech, but as the former post says-Your rights stop where other's rights begin-and we all have the right to NOT be a part of this kind of activity.

While it's true that we can turn the other cheek, we shouldn't HAVE to do so because we are ALL allowed in the forum and we all have rights. Respect them all and be nice to eachother and then you won't see these type of discussions.

As I said in one of my posts before, if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. Keep your opinions to yourself and you won't have these problems. If you must disagree, just respectfully dissent and don't harrass (I have been harrassed already because I posted a thread in the correct place (in upcoming horror movies) about Sin-Jin Smyth).


Therefore, I agree with some of the others in stating that the post saying this has to stop will be undermined and will have absolutely no meaning if offensive language and conduct of any kind should be punished. After all, that person can come back with a different handle if he sees fit. All he has to do is 5 minutes of extra work to come back. I think it's all fair.

[Ooky_Kabuki]

Originally posted by Zero
its a good point and i for one think its good to raise and discuss. its almost a pity we can't have that ignore key you get in some chat rooms so you could just not see the posts of certain members (of course if that were the case all my posts would be invisible :( )

:D

We do have ignore. Click on the person's profile and hit ignore on the bottom. There are a few that I can't see their posts without clicking them.

[Zero]

my god . . . i could have been ignoring all of you idiots the entire time. . . then my real fantasy of a HDC made up of only my posts would finally come true!!!


JOY!!:D

[bwind22]

BR, you already know that I, personally, think we should be able to say whatever we want. But since that's not really the debate at hand, I'll say this... If you, as the mod, feel like someone crosses a line then you , as the mod, should step in and, at your disgression, give them a warning or a banning, if warranted. Members should be allowed to voice a complaint to you and at that point you can scope it out and make a decision. But if the complaining member continues to harrass you in regards to your follow up, that should be grounds for banishment. Once you have rapped your moderatory gavel, that should be the end of it. If Dep should be banned for making fun of a guy who spammed the entire forum with total bullshit for a couple hours in a row one night because someone didn't like his recipe :rolleyes: , then I probably should be banned a couple hundred times over as well because I hit up almost every spammer that comes in here...

I guess what I'm saying is that I think everyone here trusts your disgression and if they don't, tough shit, because you're the moderator. Either they can get over it or go somewhere else. Maybe get rid of 'It Stops Now' and replace it with a 'Mods Have Discretionary Jurisdiction' thread...

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by Ooky_Kabuki
I don't agree with this-this post is going too far (yet I did have to click to read it cause this person is on my ignore list). I'm a newbie and I have been treated pretty bad so far and if this kind of stuff keeps up I don't want to be associated with this forum and I would/will encourage others to do the same if I decide to leave.

That being said, I think that we need to use common sense. If you don't want to be called a loser or worse or a "spammer" because you post one message then you should show other people the respect that you think YOU deserve.

If you call someone a loser or anything else I think you should expect to see consequences. As adults in this society, we don't have to tolerate such conduct. Yes, I know that we have a First Amendment right (I AM in law school) to freedom of speech, but as the former post says-Your rights stop where other's rights begin-and we all have the right to NOT be a part of this kind of activity.

While it's true that we can turn the other cheek, we shouldn't HAVE to do so because we are ALL allowed in the forum and we all have rights. Respect them all and be nice to eachother and then you won't see these type of discussions.

As I said in one of my posts before, if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. Keep your opinions to yourself and you won't have these problems. If you must disagree, just respectfully dissent and don't harrass (I have been harrassed already because I posted a thread in the correct place (in upcoming horror movies) about Sin-Jin Smyth).


Therefore, I agree with some of the others in stating that the post saying this has to stop will be undermined and will have absolutely no meaning if offensive language and conduct of any kind should be punished. After all, that person can come back with a different handle if he sees fit. All he has to do is 5 minutes of extra work to come back. I think it's all fair.


Shut up, retard...

:D


Just Kidding. I personally havent seen you post a thing that would justify ripping on you. This place had a terrible rep for a while,a nd almost no new members because of all the "hazing" that was going on. If yoou are seriously calling someone "reatrd" on an internet forum because they are a "newb", you need to go outside and let the sun sear the stupidity from your skin. it's that bigbright thing above your head.

Dont look right at it. Dummy.

[Miss Olivia]

If I'm merrily posting around and someone makes a nasty comment for no reason, no adult reasoning on Earth is going to keep me from answering in kind. Cheeba may have had enemies, but he wasn't hurting anybody when the comment was made. I think going to the mod was pretty commendable, and it's better than I would have done. If he can put a lid on his temper and ask for assistance, then as much as I hate to condemn a person, he should get some. The nastiness was completely unprovoked.
Everybody deserves another chance without being TOO harassed. This prodding went beyond the pale.

My two cents.

[Zero]

Originally posted by Miss Olivia


My two cents.

can i get change??


just kidding :D

[orangestar]

I do agree with most of the posts in this thread. If someone is obviously insulting someone to try to start a fight, they should be punished for it. This forum has more than enough shitty posts to meddle through without having to read established members flaming each other.

HOWEVER...

We have literally taken a poll on whether this person should be banned for calling someone else a "loser". I just think people have gotten away with much worse in the past, and I would hate to see this forum turned into a place where members are censored. If we ban someone for this, the line will be drawn and it will just keep getting drawn further back until we have nothing interesting left to talk about because we can't voice our opinions without getting banned.

[Vodstok]

You should be banned for your comments, orang. Rabble rouser. Roustabout. Uhh.. Commenting person.

[Angra]

Originally posted by slasherman
..the only reason to ban someone is when somebody deliberately tries to sabotage this forum...namecalling and such must be tolerated...even words like; loser, you fucking whore, fucking noob, cocksucker......spamming is sabotage....



I agree with slasherman.

I´m the type who ALWAYS joke around with people. That´s about half my post count right there.

But now i don´t know if i cross the line of what´s right or wrong anymore. I´m the same irritating person that i´ve always been, but i´m not sure if i´m alowed to be so anymore.

My post in Phalanx´s thread in the "new members" forum is a perfect example.

I don´t like to make excuses everytime i pull someones leg. Then the fun stops emidiately.

[The STE]

In my (god-like) opinion, bannable offenses are like porn. There's not really a good clear-cut definition, but you know it when you see it. You can't say "Oh, if you do this, this, this or this then you'll get banned" because one could find exceptions or loopholes to any of the rules if they tried, and the only thing you can do to prevent exceptions or loopholes is by making some concrete, air-tight, blanket rule like "If it offends someone you're banned" in which case you may as well ban everybody because what's offensive or not is subjective and anybody can say they were offended without any proof. So basically you can't really have a clear set of rules for it, it kindof has to be incident-by-incident.

I wasn't here for what Cheeba did. The little bit I saw made it seem like he reacted like a little girl over absolutely nothing. But I wasn't here for 80% of it, so I can't say for sure

[slasherman]

Originally posted by Ooky_Kabuki
I don't agree with this-this post is going too far (yet I did have to click to read it cause this person is on my ignore list). I'm a newbie and I have been treated pretty bad so far and if this kind of stuff keeps up I don't want to be associated with this forum and I would/will encourage others to do the same if I decide to leave.
....read this again....
If ANYONE flames ANYONE in THIS thread...You will be banned...I swear to you in the name of all that is horror, I WILL do it


Originally posted by Ooky_Kabuki

As I said in one of my posts before, if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. Keep your opinions to yourself and you won't have these problems. If you must disagree, just respectfully dissent and don't harrass (I have been harrassed already because I posted a thread in the correct place (in upcoming horror movies) about Sin-Jin Smyth).
I disagree....

[Ooky_Kabuki]

Sometimes "pulling the leg" of a newbie isn't really the best way to keep members. Most of the time, the posts aren't equivalent of that so someone needs to know when to draw the line. I know.

[Miss Olivia]

Originally posted by Zero
can i get change??


just kidding :D

You can have my two cents.
I don't really need it.:D

[Despare]

It’s a mods duty to interpret what is a malicious attack and what is simply an opinionated statement. If somebody says they think I’m an opinionated, sarcastic asshole then fine, that’s their opinion; but if somebody dedicates a thread to it or constantly incites me with personal insults in every thread I post in then they’re trying to start something. There has to be some leeway because everybody can’t just “all get along”, that simply isn’t human nature, but we can control ourselves and not make constant verbal assaults.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Vodstok
There is a dog next door. its a friendly dog most of the time, but it doesnt tak emuch to get him going. so you tease it with a stick. You completely deserve it when your mother backhands you for trying to get it riled up.

same here. its based on history, he KNOWS who he is messing with and was doing it to start shit.

Now, if there was no history there and he was just some guy who went back and read the thread and said "you did that? man, what a loser." that would be a completely different thing. Originally posted by hammerfan
I think you also have to take into consideration the person's intent. It was obvious that desposable was trying to bait cheeba because he knew he could get a rise out of him. It may not have "sounded" malicious, but, again, it was the intent of the post to get under cheeba's skin.
EXTREMELY good points...

But..That makes me feel like we have to be very cautious in every post that we make, and first consider "Okay, so If I say 'this', how will the person I am saying it to respond to it?"...Hmm, actually...Maybe that's not such a bad idea...Duly noted...Thanks, Vod and Hammerfan :)

Originally posted by Phalanx
All I'm saying is, you should back up the rules you put forth, if you intend for them to be taken seriously at all.Every rule has exceptions...This was actually based on determining the DEGREE of an insult (because, although most forums will not allow you to insult ANYONE in ANY way...We often do it playfully, and sometimes just to express our depth of disagreement or distaste for someone or some thing)...Which was why it was written 'Maliciously attacks', which is obviously a matter of broader perception than we have anticipated...For example: You can tell someone that they're ugly, and they may laugh at you or say "looks don't matter anyway", or say that you're even uglier...Someone else, may be completely crushed by it....This is where 'knowing something about the person you're talking to, and how they may react', comes into play (thanks again, Vod) Originally posted by Phalanx
I was banned, wasn't I? No argument from me about it.That was much appreciated...Anyone who is banned should consider WHY they were banned, and accept it (not including the 'mysterious bannings' that were never explained or admitted to (Although, I STILL have my suspicions, and I'm pretty sure I'm right)...That was MAJOR bullshit, BTWOriginally posted by Phalanx

I think any kind of behaviour that is clearly intended to instigate trouble (whether or not you claim afterwards that it's a joke, or you "weren't being serious") or evoke an agrumentative reaction ought to be acted upon.Okay...So, how about a warning?...One warning, or a 3 strikes thing?...Then banning?...I don't believe that ANYONE here wants to see the page after page bullshit that we have seen in the past...Ideas for how these things should be 'acted upon' will be appreciated
Originally posted by Phalanx

one is left with no choice but to retaliateI have to disgree with this one...You ALWAYS have a choice...As a matter of fact, it's THAT choice that defines what type of person you are...You CAN choose to 'let it go'...'ignore it'...intelligently defend yourself without being immature, insulting and argumentative...Just say, "fuck you, too" or "I know you are but what am I?"...lol...or "So what?"...Or make a funny remark in response (Newb and Zero are excellent at that :D)...You NEVER have to stoop to someone else's level

Originally posted by crabapple
Here's the thing, Bloodrayne...you're a moderator, right? And you're not a robot, you're a person. Your decision on what "crosses the line" is up to your interpretation. There's NO WAY to accurately DEFINE when something someone types is offensive or malicious. It's purely up to the interpretation of the person looking at it. It's a hard job!

So who decides when something is "meant" with sufficient malicious intent to be objectionable?

You do, because you're the moderator. Thanks Sweetheart...That was really considerate...But, don't forget..."Absolute power corrupts absolutely"...As a human being, we all have emotions (some more than others), because of that, something that I may decide to do may be seen as an act of 'personal moderating'...I MUCH prefer to take the 'majority rules' route...I think it's a lot more fair...I am NOT a tyrant, or a dictator...And, I feel that EVERYONE'S opinion matters :)

Thanks so much for the input
Originally posted by The Flayed One
"Bloodrayne, you're a fucking annoying idiot. All you do around here is piss people off with your idiotic shit. Either learn to not be such a fucktard, or fuck off?"Hmm, let's see...What would I say to that?...Well, let me tell ya what happened...Dustin was sitting here reading this with me (he's not a LOT of help on this matter, because he thinks JUST LIKE ME, for the most part), and when we read this...I laughed so hard I choked :D...Dustin laughed, too

Originally posted by The Flayed One
Well, I said basically the same thing, but that time it was obviously to try to bait you into a flame war. It's still the same opinion, but it's intentionally malicious & hurtful.Another excellent point...very similar to Vod's and Hammerfan's...which goes back to the 'consider WHO you are 'speaking' to, and a possible negative reaction when you post'

Originally posted by The Flayed One
Where do we draw the line? I don't know.

Whatever we decide, we need to think long and hard about it. If this is going to be the example, it's going to need to stick or the whole thing is pointless. .Exactly...That's why THIS thread was made
Originally posted by The Flayed One
I don't want to have to sit through a bunch of people spewing bile at each other And THAT'S why the 'It Stops Now' thread was made
Originally posted by The Flayed One
I also want to be able to tell someone they're being annoying without fear of being banned. That's what I am SERIOUSLY trying to keep from happening (the fear of being banned, just for speaking your mind...That's bullshit)...To EVERYONE

Originally posted by slasherman
..the only reason to ban someone is when somebody deliberately tries to sabotage this forum...namecalling and such must be tolerated...even words like; loser, you fucking whore, fucking noob, cocksucker......spamming is sabotage.... Babe...I love you, but...WTF?!:D...And yeah, spamming just seems very insulting to the forum..."Hey, I want you all to be interested in MY SHIT, but I'm not interested in YOUR FORUM, thanks, bye bye"...Assholes

Originally posted by Phalanx
First of all, I think everybody can draw the line between a bit of ball-busting among friends and associates, and an insult/insinuation/statement of malicious intent. Well...I was HOPING so, anyway...

Originally posted by Phalanx
As for profanity...I personally don't think "cunt" "cocksucker", and any or all insults/words of a derogatory nature in regard to sexual preferance, or race should be ablt to enter into the forum.

I think there's certain limits to the profanity that should be enforced..I honestly don't believe those words are EVER truly used in that context here...Not literally...I don't believe that if someone calls someone a 'Mother Fucker', that they are trying to insinuate that someone is having an incestious relationship, nor do I believe that when someone says "Fuck You", they are making an offer to have sex with them...I think choosing which WORDS you can, and cannot say, is way too much censorship...However, the 'N' word, is ALWAYS incendiary and never needs to be used in ANY context

Originally posted by Zero

I don't think there is any logic in the claim that the letter of the law must be absolute or the law is meaningless. No system of actual jurisprudence functions that way - there are interpretations of the law, precedents, case-law, etc. All these are ways of saying that a given community has rules but always applies those rules to a given situation in ways that are sensitive to the particulars of that situation.This was MY point :)

Originally posted by Zero
What is really at stake here - I think - is whether we want to put the power of interpreting the rules and applying them to a given situation in the hands of the moderators.
The only viable alternative to the dilemma is to have some neutral third party decide on rule violations. .That's why I'm bringing this to you guys...I believe that we can effectively acheive 'neutrality', by averaging the opinions of the majority...Know what I mean?

Originally posted by Zero
people can either get along or at least stay out of each other's way.

Ive been saying that for 3 years, Sweetie...I feel ya

Thanks for ALL of what you said...I hope others take it into consideration as well

I'm going to have to respond to the rest of you guys in a seperate post...Actually ran out of room! :eek: ...That's NEVER happened before

[The Flayed One]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Hmm, let's see...What would I say to that?...Well, let me tell ya what happened...Dustin was sitting here reading this with me (he's not a LOT of help on this matter, because he thinks JUST LIKE ME, for the most part), and when we read this...I laughed so hard I choked :D...Dustin laughed, too

Hmmm, in retrospect, maybe it wasn't the best example using ME saying it to YOU. Actually, I was laughing while I typed it. Oh well, such is the way of us "fucktards" on HDC:D

[The Flayed One]

BTW, just as a "food for thought" question:

If we decide that Dep needs to be banned over this, where does that leave a good majority of us with the way we treat ThomasGeorge? I mean, seriously, the guy seems to take it in stride, but almost EVERYONE here insults him in almost every thread he makes.

[Vodstok]

For some reason that reminds me of High Plains Drifter....

[The STE]

which was a precursor to The Gate in that it used to be my answer for every "What movie was this?" thread

[Vodstok]

You at least understand my reference, right?

[The STE]

yea

[ItsAlive75]

The core of this group is tightly knit enough, I think, to get away with a lot of profanity and strong subject matter. And we take full advantage of it too; I think it's safe to say that we're a very harsh crowd when compared to other forums or chatrooms or internet whatcha-macallem's.

That being said, dulling this place down would be like putting a gun to our heads... suiciiiiiide. We need the loose lingo, the slingin' slander. It's what makes (or made, in the eyes of some) this forum interesting and unique.

Now, I'm not saying we should be able to badmouth everyone and anyone we choose. Calling folks "cunts" and "asswads" and "trannies" when there's really no point is just dumb, and it should be taken to a group of 13 year old boys if a laugh is what you're looking for. I say we go by the honor system; if you hate somebody and want to give em' the old verbal haymaker, do it in a PM or through some other form of communication. Example: Hellboy/Trippin and myself absolutely despised each other for our own personal reasons, but we made it a point very early (through PM's) to keep it out of the forum for everyone else's sake. I still hated him, but I had a lot of respect for the guy that he didn't want our fued to disrupt the forum.

So there's my advice. We all know there's rivalries here, we all know there's tension between members and groups. But banning won't do much of anything; we need to grow up and keep the trouble out of the spotlight.

[Vodstok]

i figured you would, and maybe 3 or 4 others.

You should be banned for getting my obscure reference.


Loser.

:)

[crabapple]

I don't insult ThomasGeorge. I think his posts are funny, the way he sits there with the avatar and thinks up some thread like "Post your favorite 1950's films" and then his first post in the thread is some terse order, like "get posting" or somesuch ...It's sort of endearingly lame.

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
The core of this group is tightly knit enough, I think, to get away with a lot of profanity and strong subject matter. And we take full advantage of it too; I think it's safe to say that we're a very harsh crowd when compared to other forums or chatrooms or internet whatcha-macallem's.

That being said, dulling this place down would be like putting a gun to our heads... suiciiiiiide. We need the loose lingo, the slingin' slander. It's what makes (or made, in the eyes of some) this forum interesting and unique.

Now, I'm not saying we should be able to badmouth everyone and anyone we choose. Calling folks "cunts" and "asswads" and "trannies" when there's really no point is just dumb, and it should be taken to a group of 13 year old boys if a laugh is what you're looking for. I say we go by the honor system; if you hate somebody and want to give em' the old verbal haymaker, do it in a PM or through some other form of communication. Example: Hellboy/Trippin and myself absolutely despised each other for our own personal reasons, but we made it a point very early (through PM's) to keep it out of the forum for everyone else's sake. I still hated him, but I had a lot of respect for the guy that he didn't want our fued to disrupt the forum.

So there's my advice. We all know there's rivalries here, we all know there's tension between members and groups. But banning won't do much of anything; we need to grow up and keep the trouble out of the spotlight. Are you a tranny, you asswad?

:)

Sorry, i cant resist.

[The STE]

Originally posted by Vodstok
i figured you would, and maybe 3 or 4 others.

You should be banned for getting my obscure reference.


Loser.

:)

you can get banned for wanting my sweaty cock, then, queermo

:p

[The STE]

if we can get banned for flaming TommyGeorge, then he can get banned for spamming up the boards with his games and threads that never go anywhere or make any sense

[Vodstok]

then YOU should be spammed for hamming... banned...


hmmm.

My cat's breath smells like cat food.

[crabapple]

Point #1 All you of horror.com are silly monkeys.

Point #2 *I* am not a silly monkey. *I* exclude myself because *I* have a brain and therefore I am better than a silly old monkey.

Point #3 Why don't you run along, little silly monkeys. Take your bananas and, you know, like, eat them. Ha ha ha, Monkey, Monkey, Monkey. Ha ha ha ha ha I am superior I am the Smart Monkey ha ha ha ha ha ha ha oh that was good. wwhoooo!

[The STE]

I bent my wookie

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by Vodstok
Are you a tranny, you asswad?

I can't actually respond directly to that, but if you want a definite answer, visit www.guys-with-pies-between-their-thighs.com

[Miss Olivia]

TG is entertaining.
Kind of like a mascot.

[Phalanx]

Dep should be banned for making fun of a guy who spammed the entire forum with total bullshit for a couple hours in a row one night because someone didn't like his recipe

Actually, it was 20 minutes - half an hour tops, and not really the ENTIRE forum, I'm fairly sure I missed "true crime", "toys and props" and several others. Saying I spammed up HALF the forum would've more than accurately covered it, but thanks for the compliment.
Oh, and hey...it wasn't so much that anyone didn't LIKE my recipe, in fact, I don't think I recieved any feedback about it whatsoever, it was me over-reacting to some people kinda poking fun at how I chose to name the thread...I got a little annoyed at this, mainly because I take what I do seriously, and tend to take it personally when people jest about it.
On top of that, maybe I was having a shitty day, can't rightly say I remember but I'd assume I cant've been in the best of moods.
Excuses? No. Reason? Yes.
Now, you (or anyone else) can go and post a "crybaby" picture or something of that nature, but that's all good by me...maybe it's an insecurity issue, but I'm the first to admit that this is the first thing worth shit I've done with my life, and pretty much the only thing I can do well, really well. So if taking what I do a little too seriously falls under some kind of insecurity, it's one I'm proud to hold by the hand as my own.
Going back to my over-reaction, and subsequent actions, when I did what I did, it wasn't to "get at" anybody in particular, and may well have been a dick act, but done is done. May have been a warpath situation, and yeah, I haven't forgotten that you were involved, which is why I didn't bring up anything you've said about me, nor do I intend to...but enough is enough.
That was what, around 3 weeks ago? I came back to people insulting my in my absense, still.
The post in question was made recently, as was another I took issue with...and neither to do with the incident, just a chance to jump on the bandwagon and rip into me, for their own personal rants. No reason for it that doesn't lie distantly in the past, no provocation, nothing.
That, folks...is where I personally draw the line. It's clearly personal.

...Also, MissOlivia...I appreciated your take on the entire situation, thanks.

[Miss Olivia]

:)

[mattc_099]

Seems to me people just need to lighten the fuck up and not take things so seriously, but then again I've always been a hard person to offend, I know how some people can be easily offended by something that another person may only mean as a lighthearted remark.

Reading through this thread, I don't think this guy should be banned just judging on what he's said. But hey, I only joined this morning and I don't know any past history of anyone.

All i mean is that if someone is purposefully going after someone repeatedly making hateful comments towards someone without merit, and it's obviously that's he's just doing it to be rude and will continue to do it, then sure, ban him.

But really, if you are going to ban someone who just offhandedly says, "you're a loser" or slips up and tells someone THEY suck instead of their opinion, then I think thats going way too far.

[Vodstok]

It wasnt an offhanded remark, there was a history there.

Welcome to the forum :)

[Phalanx]

Thanks for the backup, vod.

All i mean is that if someone is purposefully going after someone repeatedly making hateful comments towards someone without merit, and it's obviously that's he's just doing it to be rude and will continue to do it, then sure, ban him.
Yup, that's pretty much how it is in my opinion...

Seems to me people just need to lighten the fuck up and not take things so seriously
It's not so much the insult in particular, but the intention, and the ongoing nature of a continuing problem that I've attempted to solve a long time prior...

[mattc_099]

Originally posted by Phalanx
Thanks for the backup, vod.


Yup, that's pretty much how it is in my opinion...


It's not so much the insult in partiucular, but the intetntion, and the ongoing nature of a continuing problem that I've attempted to solve a long time prior...

Well like i said, one or two random rude comments shouldn't get anyone banned.

But if what you say is true and he's just repeatedly being rude or hateful for no reason, then yeah maybe he should be banned.

But I'm just a dumbass newbie, what do I know. :D

[crabapple]

I think that people are just going to do shit...like everyone does. People's souls and minds aren't pure, we're all flawed. But sometimes the flaws encourage discussion, and after a little bit of fighting, everyone knows each other better...especially the claws...

MONKEY. I'm so thirsty, it's hot, so hot, could I have a drink of water, please? Please?

CRABAPPLE. Ha ha, Monkey! AAAGH! Monkey!! What's that behind you, monkey?

MONKEY. (turns around) Huh?

CRABAPPLE. (hits monkey on head with rolled-up newspaper) Ha ha ha ha!

MONKEY. (sobbing) You...you...

CRABAPPLE. Ahhh, the Good Life. It feels so nice to realize one's potential!

[Miss Olivia]

Run, monkey, run!!
Crabby patty is INSANE!!!!!!

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by mattc_099
But I'm just a dumbass newbie, what do I know. :D

Nothing. Damn newbie monkey.

dance monkey dance! :D


monkey is such a good word. Way better than crabapple.

Not as good as Crab or Apple though. weird....

[mattc_099]

Mmmm, monkeys turn me on....:o

[Ooky_Kabuki]

Everything turns you on Matt.

[Zero]

Originally posted by crabapple
Point #1 All you of horror.com are silly monkeys.

Point #2 *I* am not a silly monkey. *I* exclude myself because *I* have a brain and therefore I am better than a silly old monkey.

Point #3 Why don't you run along, little silly monkeys. Take your bananas and, you know, like, eat them. Ha ha ha, Monkey, Monkey, Monkey. Ha ha ha ha ha I am superior I am the Smart Monkey ha ha ha ha ha ha ha oh that was good. wwhoooo!

BAN HIM!! BAN HIM!! BAN HIM!!

[PR3SSUR3]

As for profanity...I personally don't think "cunt" "cocksucker", and any or all insults/words of a derogatory nature in regard to sexual preferance, or race should be ablt to enter into the forum.

Shit, bullshit, fuck...whatever, those are pretty commonplace and as long as theyre used within moderation, that's ok


Q: Assuming the following is a genuine quote from just ten months ago, where might it fit into your protocol?


ChEEbA wrote on 10-20-2005 12:28 AM:
eat a sack, mommas boy.
you should get the shit knocked outa you, think i wouldnt?
i'd piss allover your slut mother in front of your busted up face

[Zero]

Originally posted by mattc_099
Mmmm, monkeys turn me on....:o

uhm. . . maybe its time i was leaving. . .

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Phalanx
I didn't return to be insulted, or baited into taking a step towards the negative again...I'm the first to admit I have a short fuse, but I'm trying not to let that effect me, it doesn't help when a person/people make it their sole intention to ignite it. Everyone...PLEASE make a note of the above statement If you attack Cheeba, in ANY way, he WILL go off...It's that simple...Just DON'T do it...Would it really be that difficult just to ignore him if you don't like him?...Thank you in advance for compliance

Originally posted by Zero
its almost a pity we can't have that ignore key you get in some chat rooms so you could just not see the posts of certain membersActually...We HAVE been blessed with that feature here...Some just choose to ignore it :p

Originally posted by Angelakillsluts
BR: I think you're doing a great job at pretty much singlehandedly moderating this place. Honestly...Zwoti does a lot more here than I do...especially since I have my hands full with the baby...He's just not as 'visible' as I am....He's the 'Ninja Mod' ;)

Originally posted by Ooky_Kabuki
I'm a newbie and I have been treated pretty bad so far and if this kind of stuff keeps up I don't want to be associated with this forum and I would/will encourage others to do the same if I decide to leave.Baby doll, That's the usual reaction of every 'normal' person that comes to this forum...This place is NOT for everyone...We are a bit of a different 'breed' here...Those who choose to stick around, eventually begin to understand 'how we are' here...It's much more 'laid-back' than most other places...It can be an affront to the senses and sensibilities of a new person who isn't used to it

It's kinda like when a person watches a horror movie for the very first time, if they have only previously watched chick flicks, dramas, and politically correct crap...It would be shocking, intense and offensive...Know what I'm saying?

If you DO choose to leave...We will all understand why you felt you had to...

Like I said, it isn't for everyone...And not everyone can handle it, or cares enough to try to...It's actually JUST like watching horror movies :)

Originally posted by Ooky_Kabuki
While it's true that we can turn the other cheek, we shouldn't HAVE to do so because we are ALL allowed in the forum and we all have rights. No...We don't HAVE to...But, it sure helps to cut down on the bullshit

Originally posted by Ooky_Kabuki
Respect them all and be nice to eachother and then you won't see these type of discussions.Oh...We will ALWAYS have 'these types of discussions', as well as many others of this nature...As we always have, long before you even heard of Horror.com....

As for 'being nice to each other'...We CANNOT be expected to do that all of the time...Not at this forum, and not in the real world...Life just doesn't work that way...We would all be completely FAKE...

Originally posted by Ooky_Kabuki
Keep your opinions to yourself and you won't have these problems..But...We LOVE opinions here...This entire forum is based on sharing opinions...I feel that if someone doesn't like someone, they should be able to say, "Damn...I REALLY don't like you"...I don't see anything wrong with that...It's HONEST...It's REAL....But, the childish, constant, personal insulting, and shit slinging is uncalled for...I can actually FEEL my IQ dropping when I'm subjected to that bullshit

Originally posted by bwind22
Members should be allowed to voice a complaint to you and at that point you can scope it out and make a decision...That's how things have been handled up to this point...But NOW, my 'decision' has been called into question...That is why I am consulting all of you :)


Originally posted by bwind22
a guy who spammed the entire forum with total bullshit for a couple hours in a rowCheeba...Please read this...I want you to consider this for a second....It is your position that you were unfairly attacked, with NO PROVOCATION....I honestly believe that it's this type of action (not this SINGLE act, but this TYPE of action in general...You have been known to 'go off' a time or 2) that might give some members the 'provocation' to attack you...I'm not saying that it's right to attack you ( no one should be attacking anyone here), I'm just offering up a little 'probable cause'

Originally posted by bwind22
I guess what I'm saying is that I think everyone here trusts your disgression and if they don't, tough shit, because you're the moderator. Either they can get over it or go somewhere else. Maybe get rid of 'It Stops Now' and replace it with a 'Mods Have Discretionary Jurisdiction' thread... You know what?...I could TOTALLY adopt that kind of attitude...I really could...I could be the biggest bitch this place has ever come in contact with...But, I don't think it's fair...And I wouldn't want someone to do it to ME

This forum would be a completely different kind of place with that type of constriction

I completely get your point, though...And I SERIOUSLY hope that everyone else here considers that, too

Originally posted by Miss Olivia
If I'm merrily posting around and someone makes a nasty comment for no reason, no adult reasoning on Earth is going to keep me from answering in kind. This is understandable...And always overlooked...No one has ever been banned for that

Originally posted by Miss Olivia
Everybody deserves another chance without being TOO harassed. I urge everyone to consider that

Originally posted by orangestar
people have gotten away with much worse in the past, and I would hate to see this forum turned into a place where members are censored. If we ban someone for this, the line will be drawn and it will just keep getting drawn further back until we have nothing interesting left to talk about because we can't voice our opinions without getting banned. I am hoping this thread will help us find the 'happy medium' for this exact situation

We are setting a precedent here...We have to be very careful
Originally posted by The Flayed One
If we decide that Dep needs to be banned over this, where does that leave a good majority of us with the way we treat ThomasGeorge? I mean, seriously, the guy seems to take it in stride, but almost EVERYONE here insults him in almost every thread he makes. EXACTLY

I think that Vod's original point holds the key to this entire thing...We KNOW that thomasgeorge is okay with the prodding...Just as we also know that Cheeba is NOT

Originally posted by Angra
But now i don´t know if i cross the line of what´s right or wrong anymore. I´m the same irritating person that i´ve always been, but i´m not sure if i´m alowed to be so anymore.

I don´t like to make excuses everytime i pull someones leg. Then the fun stops emidiately. This is why 'the line' needs to be more clearly defined...We don't want EVERYONE here to end up feeling this way...Afraid to post...Afraid to speak our minds...That would suck SO bad

Originally posted by The STE
There's not really a good clear-cut definition, but you know it when you see it. You can't say "Oh, if you do this, this, this or this then you'll get banned" because one could find exceptions or loopholes to any of the rules if they tried, and the only thing you can do to prevent exceptions or loopholes is by making some concrete, air-tight, blanket rule like "If it offends someone you're banned" in which case you may as well ban everybody because what's offensive or not is subjective and anybody can say they were offended without any proof. So basically you can't really have a clear set of rules for it, it kindof has to be incident-by-incident.

And therein lies the ENTIRE dilemma...It's all subjective...One man's insult, is another man's joke

How can you etch a rule in stone, when it's based on human emotion...and matters of individual interpretation and perception?

Originally posted by Despare
If somebody says they think I’m an opinionated, sarcastic asshole then fine, that’s their opinion; but if somebody dedicates a thread to it or constantly incites me with personal insults in every thread I post in then they’re trying to start something.

There has to be some leeway because everybody can’t just “all get along”, that simply isn’t human nature, but we can control ourselves and not make constant verbal assaults. Agreed...Everyone, PLEASE read this one...If there is ANYTHING in this statement that someone disagrees with, or doesn't understand, please make it known so that it can be discussed and clarified



Wow...Ran out of room AGAIN...Last part coming up...

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
The core of this group is tightly knit enough, I think, to get away with a lot of profanity and strong subject matter. And we take full advantage of it too; I think it's safe to say that we're a very harsh crowd when compared to other forums or chatrooms or internet whatcha-macallem's.

That being said, dulling this place down would be like putting a gun to our heads... suiciiiiiide. We need the loose lingo, the slingin' slander. It's what makes (or made, in the eyes of some) this forum interesting and unique.

if you hate somebody and want to give em' the old verbal haymaker, do it in a PM or through some other form of communication. We all know there's rivalries here, we all know there's tension between members and groups. But banning won't do much of anything; we need to grow up and keep the trouble out of the spotlight. Applauds...Excellent...Thank you :cool:

Originally posted by mattc_099
Seems to me people just need to lighten the fuck up and not take things so seriously, but then again I've always been a hard person to offend, I know how some people can be easily offended by something that another person may only mean as a lighthearted remark.

Reading through this thread, I don't think this guy should be banned just judging on what he's said. But hey, I only joined this morning and I don't know any past history of anyone.

All i mean is that if someone is purposefully going after someone repeatedly making hateful comments towards someone without merit, and it's obviously that's he's just doing it to be rude and will continue to do it, then sure, ban him.

But really, if you are going to ban someone who just offhandedly says, "you're a loser" or slips up and tells someone THEY suck instead of their opinion, then I think thats going way too far. I agree with this...And, I am this type of person, too...Especially this part "I've always been a hard person to offend"....BUT...Not everyone is the same...And we have to find a way to take that into consideration, to try to achieve some peace for the entire forum

Thanks for your input



Okay...After all of this...Here are my overall suggestions (Thanks Vod and Hammerfan)


PLEASE consider WHO you are speaking to when you make a statement, and whether or not they may respond negatively to it.....If you KNOW that the comment you intend to make WILL create a war with someone, do NOT make that comment to (or about) that person....

Some people can handle it...Some people will play along with you...Some people will hit you right back in a funny, or intelligent way...And some may hit back with the same force you give them, and THEN...let...it...go

But...Some people just have to be left alone

So, pretty much, if you know you are going to cause a shitstorm...You are fucking up...Just stop

If you throw a rock at a Poodle, it will most likely yap and whimper...But, if you throw a rock at a Rottweiler, chances are you may be eaten....So, we choose not to throw the rock...We should be intelliigent enough to figure this out...


Thank you everyone for helping out here...I seriously hope that we have accomplished SOMETHING

Thank you Cheeba for keeping it rational



So then...With that...What do we do about Murderdoll (if she shows up?)

[Vodstok]

Thats it. Prozium for everyone. Emotions are getting out of hand, so the Grammaton Clerics are putting an end to your sense offences.

http://www.freewebs.com/equilibrium-movie/Corinthinan-dark.gif

[PR3SSUR3]

Everyone...PLEASE make a note of the above statement If you attack Cheeba, in ANY way, he WILL go off...It's that simple...Just DON'T do it...Would it really be that difficult just to ignore him if you don't like him?...Thank you in advance for compliance

That's a tough one. It is asking for special treatment to tread carefully around one member just because they say now they have special needs.

While it is perfectly reasonable to ask that the forum does not behave in an inflammitory fashion just for the sake of it, or deliver direct profane insults (despite the dubious track record of the member in question), is it reasonable to instruct that an 'attack' on this person must not happen?

This is far too open to abuse - many debates and arguments are won through attack. I think it is essential to clarify the difference between forceful opinion and personal, derogatory insults or defamation.

[Vodstok]

Maybe we should color code our comments:

Inflamitory
Kidding
Sorta Serious
You Suck
Lipstick

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
That's a tough one. It is asking for special treatment to tread carefully around one member just because they say now they have special needs.I was afraid that it would appear to come off that way..BUT..This is what I meant.....While we shouldn't be ripping on ANYONE, most of us take it in stride or in jest...People react differently to different situations....Cheeba has shown us and TOLD us, that he WILL go off if attacked...Therefore, the obvious solution is just to avoid that altogether...the concept isn't really that difficult to grasp...


And just as you are so lightly, yet deliberately testing what we are trying to define as 'the line'...Others are aware of THEIR intentions also.....So, have a little giggle at your cleverness, and then drop it



Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
I think it is essential to clarify the difference between forceful opinion and personal, derogatory insults or defamation. Unfortunately, as this thread has demonstrated...It is extremely difficult for many people to make that distinction...Because, it is based on a matter of personal feeling and tolerance levels...That is why we can only rely on personal discretion and consideration

I think we covered that already...

[PR3SSUR3]

And just as you are so lightly, yet deliberately testing what we are trying to define as 'the line'...Others are aware of THEIR intentions also.....So, have a little giggle at your cleverness, and then drop it

I don't quite understand this, but never mind.


Unfortunately, as this thread has demonstrated...It is extremely difficult for many people to make that distinction...Because, it is based on a matter of personal feeling and tolerance levels...That is why we can only rely on personal discretion and consideration

I think you might have hit the nail on the head in that it is extremely difficult for many people in the forum to make such a simple distinction, indeed make distinctions between many things when it comes to discussion, argument and amusement. Surely most people know the difference between a strong opinion and a personal derogatory remark?

Because of the common inabilitity to speak rationally and considerately about a subject, many members will fall back on insults instead. When we say: "...but what about this?", they hear: "Your momma is a terrorist whore," and respond accordingly.

The lunatics should not be allowed to take over the asylum, and most sensible forum members would fight to keep this site adult with consideration for kids but disdain for idiots and degenerates using the place as an excuse to blow off steam.

[Zero]

I think there are a few things that, in all fairness, must be said:


Woot Woot!

HAIL SATAN!
HIGH PRIEST WISE!


and. . . POO NUTS!

[VampiricClown]

Eh, ok, here's how I look at it. Calling someone a loser or something of the sort isn't really an attack. I call my friends on instant messenger that all the time, and neither one of us take it personally because we both know it's a joke.

If you were to say "You are the stupidist piece of sh*t to ever walk the face of the f*cking earth, and should die!", not that would be an attack.

Even simply expressing your thoughts of someone isn't really an attack either. If I said, "Hey, you are starting to become annoying", that isn't really a bad thing, it's just saying. But if someone uses that sentence like "Hey you sh*tbag! You are a f*cking annoyance!", that is bannable material.

But this is just my outlook on things, and you are also incharge of this. If I went to another forum and did something that they thought was something to ban me over, I may be confused, but I respect their descision. I'll also leave if what I think someone said towards me is wrong and they should be banned. Let them have their fun, but I will no longer be a part of it.

Anyway...

[Zero]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
"You are the stupidist piece of sh*t to ever walk the face of the f*cking earth, and should die!"

"Hey you sh*tbag! You are a f*cking annoyance!"

my senitments exactly

:D

[newb]

I don't mean to interrupt....but I was wondering if Phalanx [ the chef formally know as Cheeba] could repost or PM me the notorious recipe that was the catalyst for the last banning.I'm serious.....I never got a chance to copy it and I wanted to try it.



As far as this topic goes...everything has pretty much been said.....you Mods seem to have your shit together now, and to that I say Kudos.

[VampiricClown]

Originally posted by Zero
my senitments exactly

:D

:p Nice

[PR3SSUR3]

Eh, ok, here's how I look at it. Calling someone a loser or something of the sort isn't really an attack. I call my friends on instant messenger that all the time, and neither one of us take it personally because we both know it's a joke.

If you were to say "You are the stupidist piece of sh*t to ever walk the face of the f*cking earth, and should die!", not that would be an attack.

Even simply expressing your thoughts of someone isn't really an attack either. If I said, "Hey, you are starting to become annoying", that isn't really a bad thing, it's just saying. But if someone uses that sentence like "Hey you sh*tbag! You are a f*cking annoyance!", that is bannable material

Good points, shitbag.


:o

[Zero]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
:p Nice

Hey - look - VC attacked me with his vicious tongue smiley. . . I want him banned!

:D

[VampiricClown]

Originally posted by Zero
Hey - look - VC attacked me with his vicious tongue smiley. . . I want him banned!

:D

LMAO!!! Wait....

Tongues can make you be banned? :eek:

What happens in real life??? :eek: :eek:

[Zero]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
LMAO!!! Wait....

Tongues can make you be banned? :eek:

What happens in real life??? :eek: :eek:


you become a rock star!

[VampiricClown]

Originally posted by Zero
you become a rock star!

Really? How long is his tounge? Because mine is over half as long as that I think. No Joke...

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
Really? How long is his tounge? Because mine is over half as long as that I think. No Joke... Dustin said "7 inches"...Cuz, he knows EVERYTHING about KISS :)





But...He says he's not a nerd...lol

[VampiricClown]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Dustin said "7 inches"...Cuz, he knows EVERYTHING about KISS :)





But...He says he's not a nerd...lol

I'll go meassure mine. :D

EDIT: Nevermind. I can't get a good measurment for gagging myself. It hurts to stretch my tounge that far.

[Vodstok]

8 inches here. Oh wait, Tongue? no idea.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
I'll go meassure mine. :D

Heh...Every guy does that ya know...

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Vodstok
8 inches here. Oh wait, Tongue? no idea. SEE? :D

[newb]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Heh...Every guy does that ya know...

I can honestly say that I have never measured my tongue.

[VampiricClown]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Heh...Every guy does that ya know...

Nevermind....Just got it. I was thinking of a different perverted joke. But I measured my other thing while I was at it too. :D

[Zero]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
I'll go meassure mine. :D

EDIT: Nevermind. I can't get a good measurment for gagging myself. It hurts to stretch my tounge that far.


wait - VC is gagging on 7 inches? what??



(just kidding - please don't ban me)
:D

[VampiricClown]

Originally posted by Zero
wait - VC is gagging on 7 inches? what??



(just kidding - please don't ban me)
:D

Haha, yeah, 7 inches of ruler...

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
SEE? :D So women measure their chests all the time...

granted, its hard to find a bra that fits without doing so, but still. We're just hjealous.

[Zero]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
Haha, yeah, 7 inches of ruler...
is that what you call him. . .




ok - i'll stop this now before I get banned

:D

[VampiricClown]

Originally posted by Zero
is that what you call him. . .




ok - i'll stop this now before I get banned

:D

LMAO!!! That's not something to be banned over....it's just funny. lol

And it's actually a she. ;)

[Zero]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
LMAO!!! That's not something to be banned over....it's just funny. lol

And it's actually a she. ;)




SHE'S GOT 7 INCHES

((ok - i swear i'm stopping now)

[VampiricClown]

Originally posted by Zero
SHE'S GOT 7 INCHES

((ok - i swear i'm stopping now)

Wide. :D

[slasherman]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
That's a tough one. It is asking for special treatment to tread carefully around one member just because they say now they have special needs.


..I will never give a member spesial treatment..if some member cant take it...leave

[VampiricClown]

Originally posted by slasherman
..I will never give a member spesial treatment..if some member cant take it...leave

Well put....I know I'd leave...

[DraculaInDallas]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
So then...With that...What do we do about Murderdoll (if she shows up?)

I think all the guys should line up, take a number and give her the stiff hard one......she'd probably love it!!!! :p ;) :D

Maybe it's my old age but I laugh like hell when someone gets their panties in a twist arguing on a internet forum. Ever notice newb, hammerfan, urge, myself and others born in the 50's or earlier never get caught up in this stuff? Maybe we're so old we can't stay awake long enough to join in the fun :confused:

I've been here 2 years, lurked for 6 months before joining. I have to admit I haven't been as active since the new rules started last year. When I was lurking I used to laugh like hell at ShankS, Kpro, and others who would post a funny picture and a funny fuck you or stfu to the n00bs. Thats one of the reasons I joined, you could have some good natured ribbing and some of the humor here was halarious. When I would flame a n00b I usually ended it with a smiley or a wink so the n00b knew it was all in fun. Most of them got it and joined in and the ones who didn't I'd PM them explaining its all in fun. But most of the fun has been taken out of this place......

The problem I have noticed in the last few years is that it seems to be the same handful of folks who always seem to be in the middle of this. I really like everyone here, haven't had a problem with anyone really so hopefully no one takes this personally.

I really enjoy cheeba's posts and insights but he is without a doubt the most sensitive person I have ever seen on a forum. He gets so fired up and pissed off so quickly its almost comical. That being said, we all know that and there seems to be the same group of people who insist on rattling his chain because they know they can.

The funny thing about it is every time there is a major flame war everyone complains but one thing is also for sure, we ALL want to read it and see whats coming next. I can't count how many times I've read someone say "Damn, I wish I could of read that but the threads been locked". So all this sniveling is funny to me because nothing is really going to change. Maybe we need a seperate forum where one can challenge someone they have a problem with to a smack off and those who don't want to read it don't have to go there......but you all know you're gonna take a peek. Or just use the PM and keep it out of the forum all together.

And don't worry BR, you're doing a hell of a job moderating us bunch of A-Holes. Keep up the good work Hotstuff!!!!! :p ;) :D
Well that's my $20.00 worth.....I'm older than most of you kids who only have 2 cents, my bank account is a little further along :D

Well time for this old guy to have a beer and fall asleep on the couch watching the Yankees kick the WhiteSox ass.....
Here's one for the n00bs reading this for old time sakes......hopefully Hotstuff won't ban me!!!!!!!!!!! :eek: :D
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[waffle]

Although I'm a filthy n00b, Rayne did ask for everyone to chip in, so here I am.

As an outsider (of sorts, but I'm trying) it's hard to tell, but it seems like there has been some history between Cheeba and Deposable, so it all lies in the context.

It's a little different but: if a guy at work has already had warnings for being a perv, and then he gets sacked for slapping a female co-worker's ass, he can't complain too much when a first-time offender does the same... if you see what I mean.

Okay, bad analogy.

All I mean is, if shit's gone down before, and people have been called up on it, then they have no right to bitch if they get caught out again - regardless of the level of the offence.

[Posher778]

Originally posted by The STE
if we can get banned for flaming TommyGeorge, then he can get banned for spamming up the boards with his games and threads that never go anywhere or make any sense

That sounds really rational right there.

[monalisa]

There has been a lot of good ideas here and I agree, it's a tough call. One thing I would like to suggest, and I have seen it happen, is if someone is about to get banned, give them a warning. They may really not know what they did or said was over the line. And if it's a group of people having some fun and a mod having a bad day or taking what is being said in the wrong way, then we can explain and/or defend our actions.

Common sense goes along way too. But we all make mistakes. And we all have different senses of humor, I know mine is rather twisted, sarcastic and lewd, but I'm basically a very harmless person and rarely mean anything mean in the things I say and do. I usually try to remember to put a j/k or a smiley, but not always. And people take me the wrong way sometimes. I don't want to get banned for it or walk on eggshells while I'm posting here to make sure I don't offend anyone. I'm not easlily offended, so yah, maybe people just need to lighten up too.

Just my 2 cents (and yes Zero, you can have mine too). :p

[stubbornforgey]

An agreement between the mods n admin needs to be agreed upon as to what really
is warranted as a bannable offence ...
especially when it comes to abusing other members.
See ..the thing is...when active members/who have become freinds ..get the shits with eachother and start cussing each other out...will they get banned too ??considering that once they have aired thier differences..they are back to being typical forum buddies again.
There needs to be a specific ruling on this.
What i find amusing ..is that ..the real culprits are able to come back in under different nicks..in order for that to stop..they need thier i.ps banned too ...not just the name.
But..at the end of the day..it is entirely up to the ppl with the power to push that one command button.
S.F

[Despare]

If I honestly felt insulted... well I'm a bad example because on the internet I don't think I would be. Ok, so if member A really feels insulted or attacked then they should tell a mod and the mod can look at what was said and if it is indeed offensive then the mod can warn the insulting party once. Anymore insults on member A by the insulting member would be immediate ban... plus we'll know who the little baby tattle tails are. ;)

Of course that wouldn't work, but is there really one policy that would? I don't think so. Too much board politics, let's just watch some people get sliced up, diced up, and eviscerated.

[newb]

Originally posted by DraculaInDallas
[B]I think all the guys should line up, take a number and give her the stiff hard one......she'd probably love it!!!! :p ;) :D

Maybe it's my old age but I laugh like hell when someone gets their panties in a twist arguing on a internet forum. Ever notice newb, hammerfan, urge, myself and others born in the 50's or earlier never get caught up in this stuff? Maybe we're so old we can't stay awake long enough to join in the fun :confused:



/B]

I'm sure age has a bit to do with it.Hell I got four kids of my own....the last thing I wanna do is get caught up in MORE drama.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by stubbornforgey
What i find amusing ..is that ..the real culprits are able to come back in under different nicks..in order for that to stop..they need thier i.ps banned too ...not just the name.

But..at the end of the day..it is entirely up to the ppl with the power to push that one command button.
S.F Babe...We do not have "that one command button"...Only the administrator (Horror, himself) has the option to IP ban someone...And, he is never here at the forum...

It might be a little easier...If it were possible

[newb]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Babe...We do not have "that one command button"...Only the administrator (Horror, himself) has the option to IP ban someone...And, he is never here at the forum...


Don't be so sure about that.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/rockinmule/1.gif

he could be lurking.......always lurking....he could be ONE OF US.

[monalisa]

If you're gonna start banning IP's, then you definately need to send a warning first. Couples that use the same computer (meaning the same IP) should not get banned as a whole if one of them fucks up. Or if someone is having a shitty day and posts stuff they could have said a bit more gently, basically I'm saying work with people and they're usually willing to work with you. If not, ban their damn asses.

[heebiejeebies]

It's been my experience that most mods are "damned if they do and damned if they don't." Any decision made is open to interpretation and usually results in at least one member complaining that said mod is "playing favorites" or being "biased." That being said, I think the mods on this forum do a commendable job.

I'm still a newbie and haven't experienced any of the "hate" that some in this thread are talking about, but I do have a short fuse and a vicious temper (at times) and know what it's like to get baited into an argument. I was banned from a (you'll love this one:)) religious forum because I was very unChristian-like to another member. Now IMO the other person deserved it, and I didn't say anything that was all that bad. I wasn't given any warnings and, because it was an IP ban, can't get back on the site two years later. But you know what, I DON'T CARE!!!! I said what I had to say, got it off my chest, and moved on. And, truth be told, I don't want to be a part of a forum that's like that.

The important thing to remember is that you don't need an ignore button in order to ignore posts. There are certain members' posts that I skim over because I usually don't have any use for what they post. That takes care of the problem (not that there really is one) for me. And if someone does the same to me...more power to 'em.

I have, however, been wondering about a couple of things.

1) If Phalanx (I'm assuming he used to be Cheeba) came back with new name and profile, how did anyone know it was him? Why not simply ignore the hateful posts? It's been my experience that if nothing rises to the bait, the fishermen go away.

2) Can a mod simply delete a thread? On another forum I belong to the mods are "strict" (that's a nice way of saying it), and I can always tell when a thread is going to be deleted because the posts become personal attacks with lots of profanity, namecalling, etc. I must admit that when I read the "Cheeba, Cheeba" thread, I kept waiting for it to be deleted because there were some pretty "unkind" things being written. Of course I was applying the other forum's rules.

Just to be safe I think everyone should remember the golden rule, and I didn't learn it from the religious website that kicked me off. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one and no one thinks theirs stinks. :D

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by monalisa
If you're gonna start banning IP's Umm...We can't...

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by heebiejeebies
Can a mod simply delete a thread? On another forum I belong to the mods are "strict" (that's a nice way of saying it), and I can always tell when a thread is going to be deleted because the posts become personal attacks with lots of profanity, namecalling, etc. I must admit that when I read the "Cheeba, Cheeba" thread, I kept waiting for it to be deleted because there were some pretty "unkind" things being written. Of course I was applying the other forum's rules.Thanks for contributing

We try not to delete too many things here...We really are NOT very strict...The more we 'remove', the more censorship is exersized...Horror (our administrator) is HUGE on 'freedom of speech' and a firm supporter of second chances (and third...and fourth...to infinity), which is why we cannot IP ban...

No one needs to hide who they are when they get banned and rejoin...Everyone gets a 'fresh start' at that point...And a brand new chance to fuck up again :)

[Roderick Usher]

Just joined, not really up on the history of this issue, but I feel the entire argument is a moot point.

It would seem that some people are going to follow the rules and some aren't. We're dealing with a human nature issue here.

I'm quite pleasantly surprised at the consistant level of intelligence and forethought of most of the posts on this forum. I'll try like hell to live up to it. I've not yet read anything that has come close to offending me. The random "attack" comes as part and parcel with an open forum.

And of course, every so often someone's going act the fool - I'm sure I will- but, like it or not, it's going to happen. A "ban" does nothing but provoke the banned individual to return with greater vitriol. So you can ban and feed the fire, or you can be patient and not sweat the small stuff.

Just my opinion, but what do I know? I'm an asshole.

[monalisa]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Umm...We can't...

Well that's good. Hopefully people will use it as an opportunilty to come back if they really want to and an innocent partner won't be banned even if their partner gets banned.

Basically, it's all good if we all use common sense and if something is borderline, send the person a message either on the forum or PM. and if they just say FuckYou, then ban them. Life is all about giving second chances. But the person given the 2nd chance has to honor that too. And some of us might make mistakes in a couple of threads (yah, guess what, I've done that), but when told in one way or another that that's a no-no, I respected that and learned from it. Someone that isn't willing to respect others and the mods deserve to get baned. but the other people and the mods need to give that person the benifit of the doubt, that maybe they were taken the wrong way or maybe they're are having a hidiously bad day. I don't know, maybe I'm just too tolerant of people, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Roderick Usher
A "ban" does nothing but provoke the banned individual to return with greater vitriol. So you can ban and feed the fire, or you can be patient and not sweat the small stuff. Thank you...That was another point that I have TRIED to make, time and time again...Especially in discussions with other moderators...

Welcome to the forum...We've always got room for another asshole here :p


Hey...That just reminded me of the genetically engineered monkey on South Park :D

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by monalisa
send the person a message either on the forum or PM. and if they just say FuckYou... HAHA...That's actually happened to me a few times...lol


But...I never banned anyone for it...

[monalisa]

Even if you don't Like the Grateful Dead, please read the lyrics.

Artist: The Grateful Dead
Song: Uncle John's Band

Well the first days are the hardest days,
Don't you worry any more, 'Cause when life looks like easy
Street, there is danger at your door.
Think this through with me, let me know your mind.
Woh - oh, what I want to know, is are you kind?

It's a buck dancer's choice my friend; better take my advice.
You know all the rules by now and the fire from ice.
Will you come with me, won't you come with me?
Woh - oh, what I want to know, will you come with me?

Goddamn, well I declare, have you seen the like?
Their walls are built of cannonballs, their motto is
Don't tread on me. Come hear Uncle John's Band playing
To the tide, come with me, or go alone.

It's the same story the crow told me;
It's the only one he knows.
Like the morning sun you come and like the wind you go.
Ain't no time to hate, barely time to wait,
Woh - oh, what I want to know, where does the time go?

I live in a silver mine and I call it Beggar's Tomb;
I got me a violin and I beg you call the tune
Anybody's choice, I can hear your voice.
Woh - oh, what I want to know, how does the song go?

Come hear the Uncle John's Band by the riverside
Got some things to talk about, here beside the risin' tide
Come hear Uncle John's Band playing to the tide,
Come on along, or go alone,
He's come to take his children home.
Woh - oh, what I want to know, how does the song go?

Come hear Uncle John's Band by the riverside,
Got some things to talk about here beside the risin' tide.
Come hear Uncle John's Band playing to the tide, come on
Along or go alone, he's come to take his children home.

[newb]

Groovy dude....don't bogart that joint.
http://www.undereternityblue.com/Log/images/smokin.jpg

[monalisa]

Originally posted by newb
Groovy dude....don't bogart that joint.
http://www.undereternityblue.com/Log/images/smokin.jpg
Just thought the lyrics kinda fit the situation. Great Jerry pic too! Thanks. :)

[DraculaInDallas]

Originally posted by Roderick Usher
Just joined, but what do I know? I'm an asshole.

See, this n00b gets it!!!!!!!!!! :D

[monalisa]

Originally posted by DraculaInDallas
See, this n00b gets it!!!!!!!!!! :D

but at least he admits it and almost asks for it!

[azathoth777]

I feel I've come alittle late to the party...
This is a hard topic to get straight. Bans won't really stop personal attacks and name calling. This an internet forum, it comes with the territory. Anonymity breeds assholes. As nice as it would be, not everyone will get along. Clashes will happen, and harsh word will be written. Where to draw the line.....I couldn't say, nor would I want to. I certainly don't envy your position.
I personally don't care what anyone says about me. I take it with a grain of salt. No offence, but this forum and the people here are not that important in my life to get so worked up about. You all seem like nice people and I like being here, but for better or worse, I will most likely never meet any of you in 'real life'. We will never hang out and watch a movie together.
I don't know if this is any help at all, but here it is anyway.....

[monalisa]

The only 2 mods that I've dealt with as moderators are Rayne and zwoti. I've talked to kpro too, but not as a moderator, and I don't know allmykids at all. But you all seem fair. When in doubt, I would say contact the person in question and find out what the story is. It may just be an unintenional or mindless mistake. We all want to talk freely here, so if there is a question in someone's behavior, just ask them about it. and tell them to knock it off if necessary. PEACE!

--monalisa

[Nightshade]

This makes me sad.

[Angra]

Have we come up with a final 10 sentence conclusion yet?

[PR3SSUR3]

There has been a lot of good ideas here and I agree, it's a tough call. One thing I would like to suggest, and I have seen it happen, is if someone is about to get banned, give them a warning. They may really not know what they did or said was over the line. And if it's a group of people having some fun and a mod having a bad day or taking what is being said in the wrong way, then we can explain and/or defend our actions

Indeed, since those of us who have been previously banned with no explanation should be at least given advice that it might be down to our mere presence or persistence in a debate since we do not fire off personal derogatory remarks or defamation in any shape or form (unless we're clearly, obviously joking).

I wonder if someone can be banned purely through mods bowing to pressure in light of complaints received through PM? If so, are the complaints justified... or possibly overreaction/misinterpretation?

Censorship won't do, especially in a horror film website.

ISP bans would seem the logical option to stop the trouble returning.

And I agree anyone christened 'Roderick' just has to be an asshole.

:D

[BloodRedFlower]

The term "maliciously insult" is subjective, so.. that rule is innadequate. What is "malicious" to some, may be funny and insignificant to others.

You should be discussing the RULES, not the banning of that guy.

Make a decent set of rules and then decide who to ban. Based on that rule, I simply cannot decide whose "side" I'm in. It's impossible... I'd have to consider the "malice" on his comment based on their entire history as members... impossible.

[stubbornforgey]

my final contribution..
lets all get nekkie and have one huge food fight.. :D

[Vodstok]

No Coconuts. Those things hurt...

[Zero]

Originally posted by Vodstok
No Coconuts. Those things hurt...

i've got a lovely pair of coconuts!!

[tarcher80]

its a tough subject especially b/c we communicate through text and not voice. i make a sarcastic remark in a message and the person on the other end could take it very personal b/c the tone in my head might not translate into what i type. as far as this goes its too hard to mediate insults unless they are one, blatantly obvious; person1: "i think that scream is the best horror movie ever." person2: "you are a fucking moron and i would kill and rape your family if i saw them in the street... and your dog too." two, turn an otherwise interesting thread ugly: one person is debating a subject w/ another and conversation goes from constructive criticism to calling each other out. and three, not an insult so much but a hi-jacking of a thread (kinda like what cheeba did).

So basically people need to develop a tough skin as far as the rips go... Only when it get's ugly (in every meaning of the word) should the moderators step in.

[Zero]

Originally posted by tarcher80
person2: "you are a fucking moron and i would kill and rape your family if i saw them in the street... and your dog too."

isn't it funny how often this forum turns to beastiality??

[Vodstok]

What would freud think?

[Zero]

Originally posted by Vodstok
What would freud think?
"boy does that schnauzer look like she's hot to trot today!"

[Roderick Usher]

does it count as beastiality if you just talk dirty to the dog?

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by Roderick Usher
does it count as bestiality if you just talk dirty to the dog? Kind of. Its just creepy, rather than illegal

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by monalisa
maybe they're are having a hidiously bad day That's a shitty excuse...If you're having a problem at home in your real world life, keep it THERE...Kick your dog or shoot your boss, but don't come here and kick US...That goes ESPECIALLY for Moderators....Being drunk is no excuse either...A couple of years ago I posted on this forum after I came home from the club (twice, actually), and I didn't ban anyone, nor did I start any shit...I doubt that I would have had the ability to perform the functions involved in banning someone even if I had WANTED to....And, why would I want to start any shit?...I was feeling pretty damned good ;) Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
Indeed, since those of us who have been previously banned with no explanation should be at least given advice that it might be down to our mere presence or persistence in a debate since we do not fire off personal derogatory remarks or defamation in any shape or form (unless we're clearly, obviously joking).I really wish that I could help you with that...I can only tell you that Zwoti and I have never banned/would never ban anyone under those circumstances...And I still think of ALL the bullshit that has EVER gone on here, that was the absolute worst, and most uncalled for...When people who can't control THEMSELVES are given any type of control on a forum, stupid shit happens...You also have to consider the 'dishonesty' factor....If the mod who did that would have AT LEAST had the balls to say something like "Oops, I fucked up because I don't really know what the hell I'm doing"..."Well, I'm just an asshole and figured I could do whatever I wanted"..."I just didn't like that person"...Or give SOME explanation, it wouldn't have been quite AS bad...Liars piss me off....I'm gonna end this one right here before I say things I shouldn't...

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
I wonder if someone can be banned purely through mods bowing to pressure in light of complaints received through PM? If so, are the complaints justified... or possibly overreaction/misinterpretation?Oh...That HAS happened, in the past....But, NOT with me...That's bullshit, too...You HAVE to know what's going on, check out the situation and get both sides of the story...You CANNOT just say, "Okay who do you want me to ban?"...That makes me want to puke...I HATE puppets

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
ISP bans would seem the logical option to stop the trouble returning.I agree 100%

Originally posted by BloodRedFlower
You should be discussing the RULES, not the banning of that guy. The request for banning someone was the catalyst that led to this thread which is to discuss a way to better define THE RULES...This thread wasn't really about whether or not someone should be banned...But, about what should be considered a 'bannable offense' and whether his comment would have been considered such...

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by tarcher80
So basically people need to develop a tough skin as far as the rips go... Only when it get's ugly (in every meaning of the word) should the moderators step in. I have to agree with that, too...

But...I'd add that racist remarks and pornography are dealt with (removed) immediately...No discussion...

[AUSTIN316426808]

You ever notice Return, Alky, massacre man, mothman and other members who are still kids hardly, if at all agrgue. Sure there's some small bickering here and there about a movie or small disagreement but nothing as serious as the big fights or long term grudges that the adults take part in.

[Vodstok]

A lot of "kids" are usually very mature. it takes being an adult to hone the fine art of asshole.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
You ever notice Return, Alky, massacre man, mothman and other members who are still kids hardly, if at all agrgue. Sure there's some small bickering here and there about a movie or small disagreement but nothing as serious as the big fights or long term grudges that the adults take part in. Believe me, I HAVE noticed...It just makes it that much more pathetic when the adults do it

The best ones are where the KIDS are trying to get the "adults" to stop it....

[VampiricClown]

Originally posted by Vodstok
A lot of "kids" are usually very mature. it takes being an adult to hone the fine art of asshole.

Yes, us "kids" are mature. :p

Technically though, being that I'm 17, I'm recognized by my state as an adult, so I feel special. :D

[Zero]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
Yes, us "kids" are mature. :p

Technically though, being that I'm 17, I'm recognized by my state as an adult, so I feel special. :D

cool - now we can execute you!

[BloodRedFlower]

The request for banning someone was the catalyst that led to this thread which is to discuss a way to better define THE RULES...This thread wasn't really about whether or not someone should be banned...But, about what should be considered a 'bannable offense' and whether his comment would have been considered such...

In that case:

I think you should come up with a no-insult policy like... three strikes and you're out. On the first and second insult (be it serious or a "joke") the person would get a warning. On the third, get banned.

I don't see the point of insulting users at Forums, or even making nasty jokes about someone. Those who do it should definatelly be banned. We're here with the common goal of talking about Horror (and the facts of life occasionally :P), those who don't share this goal and just want to act childish or pick a fight should go somewhere else.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by BloodRedFlower
In that case:

I think you should come up with a no-insult policy like... three strikes and you're out. On the first and second insult (be it serious or a "joke") the person would get a warning. On the third, get banned.

I don't see the point of insulting users at Forums, or even making nasty jokes about someone. Those who do it should definatelly be banned. We're here with the common goal of talking about Horror (and the facts of life occasionally :P), those who don't share this goal and just want to act childish or pick a fight should go somewhere else. I understand your point...But, you gotta be realistic...

I mean, if we wanna tell someone "Hey, you're being a dick, knock it off"...We should be able to

Or...What if someone tells us a funny story about how they wimped out on something...like a horror movie or a roller coaster ride, or something...Shouldn't we be able to say, "Man, you're such a pussy"?

I mean seriously...We insult each other here CONSTANTLY...You don't do that with your friends and family in real life?....It USUALLY isn't perceived as a malicious attack...

This place wouldn't even be the same anymore...And...We would have no members left


This is a horror forum...We've ALL watched the movies and heard the language on a regular basis...This isn't Disney...

[Vodstok]

Okay, lets clear this whole thing up:

the "It Stops Now" thread will be left up as a guideline, no more, no less. Every incident will be taken on a case by case basis, with banning being meeted out by mods as they see necessary.

So Sayeth the spider.

[BloodRedFlower]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
I understand your point...But, you gotta be realistic...

I mean seriously...We insult each other here CONSTANTLY...You don't do that with your friends and family in real life?....It USUALLY isn't perceived as a malicious attack...

This place wouldn't even be the same anymore...And...We would have no members left


This is a horror forum...We've ALL watched the movies and heard the language on a regular basis...This isn't Disney...

In that case, the best thing is to analyse each case individually, like the guy riding the pig over there said.

Good luck admins :D

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by BloodRedFlower
In that case, the best thing is to analyse each case individually, like the guy riding the pig over there said Man, i htoguht it would be a while before i got called that again....


im still not allowed back to Amsterdam....

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Vodstok
Okay, lets clear this whole thing up:

the "It Stops Now" thread will be left up as a guideline, no more, no less. Every incident will be taken on a case by case basis, with banning being meeted out by mods as they see necessary.

So Sayeth the spider. Thank you, 8-Legged Freak :D Originally posted by BloodRedFlower
In that case, the best thing is to analyse each case individually, like the guy riding the pig over there said.

Good luck admins :D And...Thank you, too :)


So...Pretty much...Just keep doing things the way we HAVE been doing them...

With the new added stipulation of:
Originally posted by bloodrayne
Okay...After all of this...Here are my overall suggestions (Thanks Vod and Hammerfan)


PLEASE consider WHO you are speaking to when you make a statement, and whether or not they may respond negatively to it.....If you KNOW that the comment you intend to make WILL create a war with someone, do NOT make that comment to (or about) that person....

Some people can handle it...Some people will play along with you...Some people will hit you right back in a funny, or intelligent way...And some may hit back with the same force you give them, and THEN...let...it...go

But...Some people just have to be left alone

So, pretty much, if you know you are going to cause a shitstorm...You are fucking up...Just stop

If you throw a rock at a Poodle, it will most likely yap and whimper...But, if you throw a rock at a Rottweiler, chances are you may be eaten....So, we choose not to throw the rock...We should be intelliigent enough to figure this out...
Fair enough?

[Vodstok]

wow.. Mouth off and affect change. i like this :)

Next.. Send me money!

Rayne has done this and knows it feels GOOD to give to Vod, so send me some cash. no checks please, money orders are fine.

[The Flayed One]

I want a recount! Some of the voters in Florida didn't understand the question properly!

[VampiricClown]

Sounds fair to me...

One thing I must ask though. You said the poodle and rottweiler....What would be the medium dog that just don't give a shit? :confused:

[VampiricClown]

Originally posted by The Flayed One
I want a recount! Some of the voters in Florida didn't understand the question properly!

:D Funny you metioned that, I just got through watching Homecoming, and they said something similar.

[The Flayed One]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
:D Funny you metioned that, I just got through watching Homecoming, and they said something similar.

[VampiricClown]

Originally posted by The Flayed One


Hmmm....I'll choose....wait, I'm not supposed to tell. :D

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
Sounds fair to me...

One thing I must ask though. You said the poodle and rottweiler....What would be the medium dog that just don't give a shit? :confused: Basset Hound...Dachsund...Saint Bernard (except Cujo...NO rock throwing at Cujo)....They don't give a shit...They're lazy :)

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by The Flayed One
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v69/BloodRayne/simpler_ballot_sml.jpg Dude...They SERIOUSLY need that in Florida...It's SO simple, and it would be IMPOSSIBLE for them to put their ballot in the wrong hole...Perfect...



I choose the green square...Giggedy Giggedy...Ooooh yeaahh...

:D

[VampiricClown]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Basset Hound...Dachsund...Saint Bernard (except Cujo...NO rock throwing at Cujo)....They don't give a shit...They're lazy :)

That's what I am then. :D

And I agree with you on the green one...although, I've never done anything like that...-looks around-

[monalisa]

Originally posted by monalisa
maybe they're are having a hidiously bad day

...


Originally posted by bloodrayne
That's a shitty excuse...If you're having a problem at home in your real world life, keep it THERE...Kick your dog or shoot your boss, but don't come here and kick US...That goes ESPECIALLY for Moderators....Being drunk is no excuse either...

Okee dokee, but I have heard stories from other members of a moderator going on a banning spree when he was either in a really bad mood or drunk. So the moderators, as you have basically said, need to make sure they live up to their own standards. And give people fucking break and warn them if they're about to get banned. Christ, how hard is that???

Please excuse my shitty editing, didn't turn out as I thought it would and I don't really feel like fixing it. :)

[Zero]

"fear of banning is worse than banning itself"

[monalisa]

Originally posted by Zero
"fear of banning is worse than banning itself"

How true, how true, you wise little monkey!

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by monalisa
Okee dokee, but I have heard stories from other members of a moderator going on a banning spree when he was either in a really bad mood or drunk. So the moderators, as you have basically said, need to make sure they live up to their own standards. That's true...That incident DID happen (it's actually what I was referring to ;))...And...I agree with you completely :)

[The STE]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
I choose the green square...Giggedy Giggedy...Ooooh yeaahh...

:D

Don't I know it....

[Zero]

Originally posted by monalisa
How true, how true, you wise little monkey!

i am totally stealing that image. . . very cool! (and i won't have to listn to Vod tell me "apes aren't monkeys")

[monalisa]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
That's true...That incident DID happen (it's actually what I was referring to ;))...And...I agree with you completely :)

Thank you for correcting my shitty editing! ;)

[monalisa]

Originally posted by Zero
i am totally stealing that image. . . very cool! (and i won't have to listn to Vod tell me "apes aren't monkeys")

Well, it does have a prehensile tail, so I believe it's techinally a monkey. :)

[newb]

I'm not getting that recipe......am I?

[PR3SSUR3]

Some men enjoy a lubricated finger inserted into the anus during intercourse, but remember to cut the appropriate nail first.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
Some men enjoy a lubricated finger inserted into the anus during intercourse, but remember to cut the appropriate nail first. And you know this...HOW? :p :D

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
And you know this...HOW? :p :D Im sure "a friend" told thim....;)

[PR3SSUR3]

I think we should do a poll on who does this and who doesn't.

:D

[Zero]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
I think we should do a poll on who does this and who doesn't.

:D

or do you mean a 'pole' ???

:eek:

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
I think we should do a poll on who does this and who doesn't.

:D lol...But...Who would ADMIT it? ;)

Sam said it's called a Russian Lighthouse...If you do it during oral sex...

I actually KNOW some guys that are VERY into it


And hey...If it feels good...Do it, right?

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
lol...But...Who would ADMIT it? ;)

Sam said it's called a Russian Lighthouse...If you do it during oral sex...

I actually KNOW some guys that are VERY into it


And hey...If it feels good...Do it, right? No! It makes you gay! then you will go to hell! Meh! Waa!

:)

Sorry.... I figured some tool was thinking it.

[Dude Guadalupe]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
I actually KNOW some guys that are VERY into it
No I don't :o

You're not gay if a chick does it to you right?.........right?

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by Dude Guadalupe
No I don't :o

You're not gay if a chick does it to you right?.........right? hmmmm... I think that makes you confused. Or Bi. Maybe 50% gay.

hell, if it makes you happy, you're gay. Right? :D

[AUSTIN316426808]

It never fails, every single thread no matter the original subject turns into a disturbing sexual discussion.

[Dude Guadalupe]

Ummm.....what?........I like cereal

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Dude Guadalupe
No I don't :o

You're not gay if a chick does it to you right?.........right? hmm...Maybe you're only gay if you like it or something...lol

I dunno...I kinda think 'gayness' has to involve something with a member of the same sex...




So...What about that 'strap-on thing'?...lol...Still a "no" ? :DOriginally posted by AUSTIN316426808
It never fails, every single thread no matter the original subject turns into a disturbing sexual discussion. Aww...Disturbing?...Does that mean you don't like it?...I bet you would, if you tried it ;)

[VampiricClown]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
It never fails, every single thread no matter the original subject turns into a disturbing sexual discussion.

My threads just end up doing that quicker...But maybe that's just one of the many joys of this place. :confused:

[PR3SSUR3]

There's nothing gay about finger/anus action - unless of course it is man-on-man.

I wonder how many male boarders can honestly say they have never ever had their own or someone else's digit up their arsehole?

[VampiricClown]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
There's nothing gay about finger/anus action - unless of course it is man-on-man.

I wonder how many male boarders can honestly say they have never ever had their own or someone else's digit up their arsehole?

*Raises hand*

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
*Raises hand*

[The Flayed One]

I saw an episode of The Jerry Springer Show, and the topic was "Transvestites and the Men Who Love Them." And the guy was on with his "girlfriend," and he was saying "To me, this is a beautiful woman. She's got a perfect body, beautiful blonde hair, everything. I love her, and I love making love to her. Now I ask you, does that make me gay?" Most of the audience thought so, and so did I. But it got me thinking about what is and isn't gay.


Discussing sex with a guy is gay. Discussing sex with a women is straight. Even telling a woman "Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to suck a cock," is straight.


Sports are gay, especially contact sports, unless you're the only guy on both teams, in which case it's straight.


Gyms are always gay, because afterwards, in the locker room, you're showering with guys, and that is gay.


Watching pornography alone is neutral, like eating a sandwich. It is neither straight nor gay. Watching pornos with one or more other guys in the room, no matter how many other women are also in the room, is gay. Watching porn, even gay porn, with one or more other women only is straight.


Here's an interesting one: Kissing a gay guy on the cheek, or letting him kiss you on the cheek is neutral, as long as the guy is out of the closet. Hugging and/or kissing a straight guy is gay.


See, look, I know I'm homophobic, but not about gay guys. They don't bother me at all. It's straight guys who don't know their gay... they fuck my shit right up.


Like a guy calls me up and says, "A bunch of us guys are gonna sit around in our underwear and watch the football game and drink beer and eat chips and, you know, maybe wrestle with each other, just us guys. You wanna come over?" And I'm like, "No."


Ok, you got a guy sucking your dick, even if he's dressed like a beautiful woman, even if he's got the best breast implants youv'e ever seen, even if you're saying to him "Suck it, bitch, I know you like it, you slut, you whore!" that's gay.


Conversely, if a woman straps on a dildo, and you're dressed like a woman, and you're sucking her cock, and she's saying, "You like it, don't you? You like sucking my dick you little fucking faggot," and then she rolls you over and fucks you in the ass and says "You love it you little pussy boy! You love getting fucked in the ass. I'll bet you wish I was a man! I'll bet you wish this was a real cock, you fucking faggot!" and you're getting off on this like you've never gotten off before, that's still straight.


But then, if you go off to the bar, and discuss this, or any other sexual experience with guys, that's gay.


Here's the most interesting one. Sucking a guys cock can, under certain rare cirumstances, be straight. Let's say you've gotten into a betting game with a woman, and the bet is that whoever loses has to be the other's sex slave for an entire night... you know, the kind of stuff that happens in Penthouse Forum all the time. And you lose, and the woman makes you have sex with another guy. That's not gay. I don't know exactly why, but it isn't.

[VampiricClown]

Originally posted by The Flayed One
I saw an episode of The Jerry Springer Show, and the topic was "Transvestites and the Men Who Love Them." And the guy was on with his "girlfriend," and he was saying "To me, this is a beautiful woman. She's got a perfect body, beautiful blonde hair, everything. I love her, and I love making love to her. Now I ask you, does that make me gay?" Most of the audience thought so, and so did I. But it got me thinking about what is and isn't gay.


Discussing sex with a guy is gay. Discussing sex with a women is straight. Even telling a woman "Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to suck a cock," is straight.


Sports are gay, especially contact sports, unless you're the only guy on both teams, in which case it's straight.


Gyms are always gay, because afterwards, in the locker room, you're showering with guys, and that is gay.


Watching pornography alone is neutral, like eating a sandwich. It is neither straight nor gay. Watching pornos with one or more other guys in the room, no matter how many other women are also in the room, is gay. Watching porn, even gay porn, with one or more other women only is straight.


Here's an interesting one: Kissing a gay guy on the cheek, or letting him kiss you on the cheek is neutral, as long as the guy is out of the closet. Hugging and/or kissing a straight guy is gay.


See, look, I know I'm homophobic, but not about gay guys. They don't bother me at all. It's straight guys who don't know their gay... they fuck my shit right up.


Like a guy calls me up and says, "A bunch of us guys are gonna sit around in our underwear and watch the football game and drink beer and eat chips and, you know, maybe wrestle with each other, just us guys. You wanna come over?" And I'm like, "No."


Ok, you got a guy sucking your dick, even if he's dressed like a beautiful woman, even if he's got the best breast implants youv'e ever seen, even if you're saying to him "Suck it, bitch, I know you like it, you slut, you whore!" that's gay.


Conversely, if a woman straps on a dildo, and you're dressed like a woman, and you're sucking her cock, and she's saying, "You like it, don't you? You like sucking my dick you little fucking faggot," and then she rolls you over and fucks you in the ass and says "You love it you little pussy boy! You love getting fucked in the ass. I'll bet you wish I was a man! I'll bet you wish this was a real cock, you fucking faggot!" and you're getting off on this like you've never gotten off before, that's still straight.


But then, if you go off to the bar, and discuss this, or any other sexual experience with guys, that's gay.


Here's the most interesting one. Sucking a guys cock can, under certain rare cirumstances, be straight. Let's say you've gotten into a betting game with a woman, and the bet is that whoever loses has to be the other's sex slave for an entire night... you know, the kind of stuff that happens in Penthouse Forum all the time. And you lose, and the woman makes you have sex with another guy. That's not gay. I don't know exactly why, but it isn't.

Ugh, my head hurts. :(

[orangestar]

Originally posted by The Flayed One
I saw an episode of The Jerry Springer Show, and the topic was "Transvestites and the Men Who Love Them." And the guy was on with his "girlfriend," and he was saying "To me, this is a beautiful woman. She's got a perfect body, beautiful blonde hair, everything. I love her, and I love making love to her. Now I ask you, does that make me gay?" Most of the audience thought so, and so did I. But it got me thinking about what is and isn't gay.


Discussing sex with a guy is gay. Discussing sex with a women is straight. Even telling a woman "Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to suck a cock," is straight.


Sports are gay, especially contact sports, unless you're the only guy on both teams, in which case it's straight.


Gyms are always gay, because afterwards, in the locker room, you're showering with guys, and that is gay.


Watching pornography alone is neutral, like eating a sandwich. It is neither straight nor gay. Watching pornos with one or more other guys in the room, no matter how many other women are also in the room, is gay. Watching porn, even gay porn, with one or more other women only is straight.


Here's an interesting one: Kissing a gay guy on the cheek, or letting him kiss you on the cheek is neutral, as long as the guy is out of the closet. Hugging and/or kissing a straight guy is gay.


See, look, I know I'm homophobic, but not about gay guys. They don't bother me at all. It's straight guys who don't know their gay... they fuck my shit right up.


Like a guy calls me up and says, "A bunch of us guys are gonna sit around in our underwear and watch the football game and drink beer and eat chips and, you know, maybe wrestle with each other, just us guys. You wanna come over?" And I'm like, "No."


Ok, you got a guy sucking your dick, even if he's dressed like a beautiful woman, even if he's got the best breast implants youv'e ever seen, even if you're saying to him "Suck it, bitch, I know you like it, you slut, you whore!" that's gay.


Conversely, if a woman straps on a dildo, and you're dressed like a woman, and you're sucking her cock, and she's saying, "You like it, don't you? You like sucking my dick you little fucking faggot," and then she rolls you over and fucks you in the ass and says "You love it you little pussy boy! You love getting fucked in the ass. I'll bet you wish I was a man! I'll bet you wish this was a real cock, you fucking faggot!" and you're getting off on this like you've never gotten off before, that's still straight.


But then, if you go off to the bar, and discuss this, or any other sexual experience with guys, that's gay.


Here's the most interesting one. Sucking a guys cock can, under certain rare cirumstances, be straight. Let's say you've gotten into a betting game with a woman, and the bet is that whoever loses has to be the other's sex slave for an entire night... you know, the kind of stuff that happens in Penthouse Forum all the time. And you lose, and the woman makes you have sex with another guy. That's not gay. I don't know exactly why, but it isn't.


That's maybe my favorite post ever.

Just because of the dildo part.

[The Flayed One]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
Ugh, my head hurts. :(

LOL, that's a King Missile song.

[VampiricClown]

Originally posted by The Flayed One
LOL, that's a King Missile song.

lol, And I have a King MISSILE. :D....Sorry, it kind of fit with your post. lol

[Zero]

Originally posted by The Flayed One
I saw an episode of The Jerry Springer Show, and the topic was "Transvestites and the Men Who Love Them." And the guy was on with his "girlfriend," and he was saying "To me, this is a beautiful woman. She's got a perfect body, beautiful blonde hair, everything. I love her, and I love making love to her. Now I ask you, does that make me gay?" Most of the audience thought so, and so did I. But it got me thinking about what is and isn't gay.



you've spent an awful lot of time on this. . . hmm, makes me wonder why???

[The Flayed One]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
lol, And I have a King MISSILE. :D....Sorry, it kind of fit with your post. lol

BOOOOOOO!!! GET OFF THE STAGE!

:D

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by The Flayed One
I saw an episode of The Jerry Springer Show, and the topic was "Transvestites and the Men Who Love Them." And the guy was on with his "girlfriend," and he was saying "To me, this is a beautiful woman. She's got a perfect body, beautiful blonde hair, everything. I love her, and I love making love to her. Now I ask you, does that make me gay?" Most of the audience thought so, and so did I. But it got me thinking about what is and isn't gay.


Discussing sex with a guy is gay. Discussing sex with a women is straight. Even telling a woman "Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to suck a cock," is straight.


Sports are gay, especially contact sports, unless you're the only guy on both teams, in which case it's straight.


Gyms are always gay, because afterwards, in the locker room, you're showering with guys, and that is gay.


Watching pornography alone is neutral, like eating a sandwich. It is neither straight nor gay. Watching pornos with one or more other guys in the room, no matter how many other women are also in the room, is gay. Watching porn, even gay porn, with one or more other women only is straight.


Here's an interesting one: Kissing a gay guy on the cheek, or letting him kiss you on the cheek is neutral, as long as the guy is out of the closet. Hugging and/or kissing a straight guy is gay.


See, look, I know I'm homophobic, but not about gay guys. They don't bother me at all. It's straight guys who don't know their gay... they fuck my shit right up.


Like a guy calls me up and says, "A bunch of us guys are gonna sit around in our underwear and watch the football game and drink beer and eat chips and, you know, maybe wrestle with each other, just us guys. You wanna come over?" And I'm like, "No."


Ok, you got a guy sucking your dick, even if he's dressed like a beautiful woman, even if he's got the best breast implants youv'e ever seen, even if you're saying to him "Suck it, bitch, I know you like it, you slut, you whore!" that's gay.


Conversely, if a woman straps on a dildo, and you're dressed like a woman, and you're sucking her cock, and she's saying, "You like it, don't you? You like sucking my dick you little fucking faggot," and then she rolls you over and fucks you in the ass and says "You love it you little pussy boy! You love getting fucked in the ass. I'll bet you wish I was a man! I'll bet you wish this was a real cock, you fucking faggot!" and you're getting off on this like you've never gotten off before, that's still straight.


But then, if you go off to the bar, and discuss this, or any other sexual experience with guys, that's gay.


Here's the most interesting one. Sucking a guys cock can, under certain rare cirumstances, be straight. Let's say you've gotten into a betting game with a woman, and the bet is that whoever loses has to be the other's sex slave for an entire night... you know, the kind of stuff that happens in Penthouse Forum all the time. And you lose, and the woman makes you have sex with another guy. That's not gay. I don't know exactly why, but it isn't. Dude...That is so wrong...For so many reasons...

[VampiricClown]

Originally posted by The Flayed One
BOOOOOOO!!! GET OFF THE STAGE!

:D

Lame, yes. But hey, I had to say something. :p

[Miss Olivia]

It's nice to know there's someone out there figuring these things out for the rest of us.
And I don't care WHAT you're going to win, if you're a man with a cock in your mouth, you're gay.

[Vodstok]

I feel used after reading that. you should have bought me a drink first.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Miss Olivia
It's nice to know there's someone out there figuring these things out for the rest of us.
And I don't care WHAT you're going to win, if you're a man with a cock in your mouth, you're gay. Agreed

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by Miss Olivia
It's nice to know there's someone out there figuring these things out for the rest of us.
And I don't care WHAT you're going to win, if you're a man with a cock in your mouth, you're gay. My sides hurt.....:)

[Phalanx]

Sports are gay, especially contact sports, unless you're the only guy on both teams, in which case it's straight.
Oh, I got one!
To me, this one in particular (a few others), and the association you seem to have drawn to having semi-intimate contact with guys, hugging guys, and even talking about sex with guys to homosexuality...seems in itself a little gay.
You sure you're not one of those straight guys that don't know they're gay yet? Careful, you don't wanna fuck your own shit up.

[Vodstok]

See, thats a weird thing.... Carson from Queer Eye is FLAMING gay, and perverted, but not really a pervert.


the german guy from Hostel, was basically straight, but had a taste for younger men. that, to me, is a pervert. I think it comes down to motivation. if you are sexually attarcted to men, you are gay, no biggie.

but if you are primarily attracted to women, but crave sex with men, it seems creepy... Probably because those guys endup having sex with men and then either killing them or setting them on fire....

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by The Flayed One
Discussing sex with a guy is gay. Discussing sex with a women is straight. Even telling a woman "Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to suck a cock," is straight.

But then, if you go off to the bar, and discuss this, or any other sexual experience with guys, that's gay.

There are guys here at this forum...Just about every guy here has discussed sex at some point (we all have...There may be only a very few exceptions)...So, does that mean that the guys at this forum (including yourself) are gay?


And...If a guy even THINKS about "what it would be like to suck a cock,"...He's at LEAST bi-curious....Straight guys don't think about other guys cocks AT ALL...


And you claim that in any case where you are doing something with the opposite sex, you are not gay...Well, what if a straight chick makes out with a gay guy?...Does that make the guy 'no longer gay'...or 'ungay' during that moment?


I seriously think your logic is flawed on this one...

[The Flayed One]

GODDAMMIT IT'S A KING MISSILE SONG I SAID!!!




:p

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by The Flayed One
GODDAMMIT IT'S A KING MISSILE SONG I SAID!!!




:p LOL...GODDAMMIT I KNOW!!!...But, it was still fun playing with you :p

[VampiricClown]

Is it me, or does it seem like whatever threads become perverted, are the only ones that keep going and going and going? So if that's the case, and after what he just said about the gay thing, we must all be gay!

[tarcher80]

Originally posted by The Flayed One
Sports are gay, especially contact sports, unless you're the only guy on both teams, in which case it's straight.

Gyms are always gay, because afterwards, in the locker room, you're showering with guys, and that is gay.

i'd have to disagree w/ you flayed, having played football/basketball in college (also being a gym rat). there are certain hetero rules that apply on the field, court, or gym. of course all these get thrown out the window if you're over 65 (which boggles my mind). i can't tell you how many uncomfortable conversations i've had w/ stark naked old men that corner you in the locker room, asking about your training regiment or how much you can bench. bleccccckkkkk. *grimaces*

*other wise i'm w/ miss olivia on this, someone needs to clear these things up. this post should go into the "the hetero's guide to the galaxy."

[The_Return]

Ok...well I just read this thread in it's 14 page entirety. Even though the topic has...uh....moved on, I still want to post my feelings on the original subject.

I have complete trust in the moderators, especially Rayne and Zwoti. I think we should just leave it to their discretion.

Rayne, for example, has been here longer than most (all?) of us regular members here. She knows what we're like as a forum. She knows the track record between certain members.

Personally, though I personally think Dep should have been banned in this incident, I understand and agree with Rayne's reasoning.

[The Flayed One]

Yes, but how do you feel about fags & buttsecks? :p

[The_Return]

Originally posted by The Flayed One
Yes, but how do you feel about fags & buttsecks? :p

So long as they keep it to themselves and dont make me part of it, Im all for it:p

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by tarcher80
i'd have to disagree w/ you flayed, having played football/basketball in college (also being a gym rat). there are certain hetero rules that apply on the field, court, or gym. of course all these get thrown out the window if you're over 65 (which boggles my mind). i can't tell you how many uncomfortable conversations i've had w/ stark naked old men that corner you in the locker room, asking about your training regiment or how much you can bench. bleccccckkkkk. *grimaces*



What he said.


Originally posted by bloodrayne
Aww...Disturbing?...Does that mean you don't like it?...I bet you would, if you tried it ;)


It's possible, but I don't think I wanna find out.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
It's possible, but I don't think I wanna find out. Well then...You can't possibly know for sure :p

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Well then...You can't possibly know for sure :p


If I ever win a Super Bowl I'll find out.


At this point I'm not sure if I ever do wanna win a Super Bowl. You have no idea how many times I've said that.

I think I have to shave my head, get waxed, wear a Vikings jersey, listen to a britney spears cd start to finish...among other things.

[PR3SSUR3]

I think it's ok to have a stern debate with another poster, but if derogatory instults start coming out then maybe we should consider banning those responsible.

[orangestar]

Originally posted by Phalanx
Oh, I got one!
To me, this one in particular (a few others), and the association you seem to have drawn to having semi-intimate contact with guys, hugging guys, and even talking about sex with guys to homosexuality...seems in itself a little gay.
You sure you're not one of those straight guys that don't know they're gay yet? Careful, you don't wanna fuck your own shit up.


Are you gay for saying that?

[Despare]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
I think it's ok to have a stern debate with another poster, but if derogatory instults start coming out then maybe we should consider banning those responsible.
How quickly should the bans begin flying though? I should have the right to express my opinion and call you an asshole just like you should have the right to call me one. I'm sure most people around here have a fairly thick skin, maybe we just need a Happy Fun Place where people can go in and post and any insult is a bannable offense. Though I'm not sure how many people would post in there...

[crabapple]

Or conversely, we should have a place specifically designated for abusive "discussions." Wouldn't that be fun? I would go in there every once in a while. Okay, every damn day.

[Miss Olivia]

Stwike him, centuwion, vewy woughly!!!

[knife_fight]

I have a fairly thick skin. I work with a bunch of unruly leathernecks on the railroad, which is a notoriously rowdy bunch of folks; given to heavy drinking, violence, and thievery... and that's just while on the clock.

the same zeal they show in their on the clock drinking, they also show when verbally berating each other. it's not out of sheer maliciousness (most of the time). it's actually usually a sign of comradery and even, ahem, affection.

but, when I get off of work and go home and "affectionately" call my wife a low-down, taint-sniffing, motherfucker, it isn't taken that way. at all.

so basically, like lots of folks have already said, I'm saying it's all relative, but personally I lean way over to the "More Tolerant" side of things. the "if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen" line of thought.

[barbra]

so here's my prespective. I really only read the first page and I hope I'm not being redundant, its just that this is an internet forum designed for people to share their thoughts and ideas about horror. Granted its expanded a bit and the topics can be a bit more broad but you know, hey , I'm rambling
Its just that, people come here to express their opinions, and after someone says that the crow 6 or someother travisty of a movie is their favorite they are going to get flammed. Some people actually get worked up about this as we've seen in many noobs, and others, aka members. Then on top of it all there is the snob factor, which creates these weak factions of dorky minions. Its a playground, only words hurt. And also I would guess that a few regular members really look to their role here and value people opions, and when its negative then maybe it hurts? I'm stoned
I guess what I'm getting at is that, this sort of thing, this silly 'lets work every one up' game is going to be hard to moderate and the lines are going to be shady. maybe there should always be a vote, and to keep that thread from going beserk the only thing a member need to say is yay or nay?
am I being silly?

[PR3SSUR3]

How quickly should the bans begin flying though? I should have the right to express my opinion and call you an asshole just like you should have the right to call me one. I'm sure most people around here have a fairly thick skin, maybe we just need a Happy Fun Place where people can go in and post and any insult is a bannable offense. Though I'm not sure how many people would post in there...

I would say there is a clear distinction between, for example, "people like you who think this blah blah blah..." and "you're a prick/cunt/faggot now fuck off before I kill you".

Also, as has I think been mentioned earlier there is a bit of a difference between labelling someone an "arse/asshole", "bastard", even "motherfucker" and a "paedophile", "nigger" or even "cocksucker". The difference could be libel, racism and, well, defamation (since while fucking mothers is cool, suggesting you suck cocks is wholly unnacceptable).

Mostly, I think to be safe people should count to ten before typing and instead of resorting to dubious and aggressively directed profanity instead try and craft their posts to get the message across in a more civilised manner.

[PR3SSUR3]

Just to add, I wasn't being serious about implicating no-nonsense banning.

I'm all for diversity, and a few noobs/hot-heads/troublemakers around the place will keep the forum alive, quite frankly.

[bloodrayne]

Wow...This thread actually got BACK on topic, after a serious derailment...


That's almost scary:eek:




:D



Thanks for everything you guys...I really needed your perspective

[Zero]

Originally posted by crabapple
Or conversely, we should have a place specifically designated for abusive "discussions." Wouldn't that be fun? I would go in there every once in a while. Okay, every damn day.

slowly i turned, step by step, inch by inch and then I. . .

[rjmarzano]

Did you post Cheeba's original remarks which triggered the response from Phalanx and Deposable ?

I can't find them.

I guess this can be a subjective issue other than someone suggested that certain dirty words are ok but others are a violation.

Jeff

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by rjmarzano
Did you post Cheeba's original remarks which triggered the response from Phalanx and Deposable ?

I can't find them.

I guess this can be a subjective issue other than someone suggested that certain dirty words are ok but others are a violation.

Jeff Cheeba IS Phalanx....Deposable wasn't really responding to anything specific that Cheeba said 'in general'...Just the incident that happened right before Cheeba got banned...And the way that Cheeba chose to express his anger with the forum...As Cheeba said HIMSELF, that wasn't the best way to express himself, but we don't often think rationally when we are angry...

In any case...Once a person is banned, they can come back (as Cheeba did...with 'Phalanx' ), and they have a 'fresh start' from that point...Cheeba obviously felt that his chance to 'start again' was hindered by Deposable's comments based on past actions

What it all really boils down to is...Some people get along here, some people don't...If someone doesn't like you, and you screw up, there's a good chance that the person who doesn't like you will taunt you about it...

[crabapple]

MAN 1. Is this the right room for an argument?

MAN 2. I've told you once.

MAN 1. No you haven't.

MAN 2. Yes, I have.

MAN 1. When?

MAN 2. Just now!

[Zero]

Originally posted by bloodrayne

What it all really boils down to is...Some people get along here, some people don't...If someone doesn't like you, and you screw up, there's a good chance that the person who doesn't like you will taunt you about it...

but everyone loves monkeys!

[stubbornforgey]

Originally posted by Zero
but everyone loves monkeys!


LOL..
yeah..they go good in stews :D

tbh..i have never had a problem with cheebs.
I figure ..the man has his points and has his own way of putting them across..
its not to everyones taste as to how he expresses himself .
But then , not many members make sense anyway..
em a good example on this matter. 'blush'
Sometimes its the way i word myself..where other members take offence
n think em being downright catty..
its all in the wording .:D

[Zero]

Originally posted by stubbornforgey
LOL..
yeah..they go good in stews :D

[Phalanx]

Deposable wasn't really responding to anything specific that Cheeba said 'in general'...Just the incident that happened right before Cheeba got banned...
No, I don't think that was the case. He was uninvolved and as far as I'm aware, not present until sometime after the fact.
I'm pretty sure what he said was without any, or very little knowledge of the incident you referr to (other than my being banned), it was just another oppertunity. If a person is able to freely antagonise another (regardless of someone having short fuse or not) or take every opening to express their negativity towards another, if that all comes under "it's ok because it's just an opinion" or "it's ok as long as you don't think they're present at the time",...I think it's something that ought to be stopped. It's not the act as much as the intent, and I'd think in this case it was clear.
Also...BR, perhaps you could have disposable remove his sig quote...as pitifully obvious a forgery of "me" this is, it's still pretty offensive, and part of what I see as an ongoing attempt to put me down and/or to evoke a negative reaction, which I'm sure is really gratifying to someone well, like him, but something I think I've tolerated long enough.

[stygianwitch]

Originally posted by Zero
but everyone loves monkeys!
i love all these monkey pics, is it ok if i steal some? :eek:

[PR3SSUR3]

If a person is able to freely antagonise another (regardless of someone having short fuse or not) or take every opening to express their negativity towards another, if that all comes under "it's ok because it's just an opinion" or "it's ok as long as you don't think they're present at the time",...I think it's something that ought to be stopped. It's not the act as much as the intent, and I'd think in this case it was clear

Of course if we consider that having a short fuse is not the norm, then provoking it might not necessarily mean somebody has stepped out of line - only perhaps in the view of the person with the short fuse concerned. I would say it is up to that individual to fall into line with the general protocol, rather than for the forum to create special needs situations which could be neverending and open to far too much interpretation. My simianophobic condition would never lead to less monkey references being actioned, for example.

So far as a libellous false quote is concerned, I agree it is out of order.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Phalanx
No, I don't think that was the case. He was uninvolved and as far as I'm aware, not present until sometime after the fact.
I'm pretty sure what he said was without any, or very little knowledge of the incident you referr to (other than my being banned), it was just another oppertunity.I made that assessment based on the fact that his offending post to you was made in a thread where your banning had been discussed...

Originally posted by Phalanx
Also...BR, perhaps you could have disposable remove his sig quote... I will send him a PM

[Zero]

Originally posted by stygianwitch
i love all these monkey pics, is it ok if i steal some? :eek:

have them all!!!