"Save" Us All....

[VampiricClown]

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[bloodrayne]

Religion is a personal thing...It isn't something you should try to force on someone...

How can people have ANY type of relationship, if they don't respect each other's beliefs?

How can anyone say, "Believe what I believe, or I won't love you"?


Some people believe in ghosts or aliens, some don't...have you ever heard anyone say something like, "Well, I can't be with you unless you believe in ghosts...or aliens"...


It's a matter of respect, baby....

[VampiricClown]

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[azathoth777]

I once dated a Morman girl. I'm an atheist for life. She said she was ok with that. It was fine for about 4 months. Then it started, "You should come to church with me', 'You should talk to my minister'. It was down hill from there and fast. We broke up a couple months later.

I feel for you. Sorry to hear it.

[VampiricClown]

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[Miss Olivia]

If she knew your beliefs, and tried to railroad you into believing something else anyway, then obviously she doesn't accept who you are or respect your differences.
You're better off.

[VampiricClown]

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[ManchestrMorgue]

Shitty way to break up. But I guess at least she didn't spring this on you after you were married.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
As a matter of fact, I have....Previous ex-girlfriend...:rolleyes:

When I say I've seen it all, I pretty much have. This is the third time the religion factor has been a problem...yeah. So then...What if YOU said..."Well, I can't be with you, unless you stop believing in God"?....That's just as lame as telling someone you can't be with them if they DON'T believe in God...A god...A goddess...Many gods...No god....whatever...



We all have our own reasons for what we do or do not believe in...What the hell is wrong with THAT?...You cannot FORCE someone to believe something that they don't...and why would anyone wan't to try?


You CAN influence a person to believe something IF you show them PROOF that what they believe in is wrong, and present them with FACTS to show that your belief is correct...

For example:

Little girl: I saw the Easter Bunny yesterday
Teenaged big sister: No you didn't
Little girl: Yes I did...He was at the mall
Teenaged big sister: No, that was a guy in a costume
Little girl: NO!...It was the Easter Bunny!
Teenaged big sister: Rabbits don't walk on two legs, they can't carry baskets, and they don't grow 5 feet tall
Little Girl: So? The Easter Bunny is different...He's MAGIC...And I will always believe in him

Next day...At the mall...

Teenaged big sister: *removes Easter Bunny's head*...See?
Little girl: *looks at dude with little dude head on big bunny body*...Oh...There is no Easter Bunny


Unfortunately...It isn't that easy with religion...Just TRY pulling the pope's head off...heh....I know, the pope isn't considered any kinda deity or anything...But, it was still a funny thought :D


Since there really is NO proof that there is or is not a god, goddess, gods, whatever...We form our OWN beliefs based pretty much on our own feelings, experiences and interpretations...Like I said, very PERSONAL....Definitely NOT something someone else should try to influence us to change...Cuz, I believe that's called...umm...uhhh...what was that again?...hmm...Oh Yeah...

BRAINWASHING

Does she think she should decide what kinda music you should listen to, what kinda foods you SHOULD like to eat, what color underwear you should wear...etcetera?:rolleyes:


I mean seriously...At what point in ANY relationship, is it okay or even necessary to tell your partner how to THINK and how to FEEL?

[azathoth777]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
Yeah, I'm just sick of this same old shit happening. Let's see....This is my 18 relationship in the past year that ended shitty like this. :D

Man, I don't want to sound callous or insensative but...18 in a year!?! Goddamn!! That's crazy. Where ever you're finding them, DON'T go there no more. Goddamn!!

[Miss Olivia]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
Yeah, I'm just sick of this same old shit happening. Let's see....This is my 18 relationship in the past year that ended shitty like this. :D

Whoa....sounds like you should take a break for a while....good relationships usually fall in your lap when you aren't looking....
18? Really?:eek:

[VampiricClown]

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[Dude Guadalupe]

Religion has always been a source of distress for me over the years. I've had friends, and girlfriends who did not approve of what I choose to believe or choose not to.

The fact is, it's a personal thing. I would rather not have anyone know too much about what I believe, that only gives them the power to lump me with people I have nothing in common with. Only a select few really know about me and thats really how it should be.

Rayne knows everything there is to know about me but as far as her religious views, I know very little about where she stands and to be honest I don't care. Religion is not something that should make or break a relationship.

Anyone who holds that much stock in an "IDEA" isn't someone to be with, plain and simple.

[orangestar]

I am a religious person. I am a Christian, and I'm not going to change that. I really try not to be judgmental of people that don't believe the same things that I do, and I try not to force my beliefs on others. Only one time did I freak out on someone because of religion. My friend is a catholic whose dad is terminally ill, and (the dad) is a priest. One night we got reeeeeally drunk and my friend started saying he didn't believe in God. I thought this was just ridiculous. He didn't believe in God anymore because his priest dad was dying. For some reason, that personally offended me and we got in a yelling, crying argument about it.

If we would have been dating, we would have broken up because of religion that night. But what your girl did to you is kind of extreme....

[VampiricClown]

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[orangestar]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
HaHa...I have to do this...."AMEN!". Sorry, just seemed appropiate.

But yes, I agree completely. My parents are different religions and do not know what I am. And I intend on keeping it that way. I will NOT go to a church though. Sorry....That's against my personal feelings on people, not religion.


Church always seemed unnecessary to me too. As long as I'm practicing my religion on my own time, God should be fine with that. right?

[VampiricClown]

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[Dante'sInferno]

I have given up on god.He is an ass...Now,i dont know what the hell i am.But its not religous.I feel tons better too.

[VampiricClown]

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[Dante'sInferno]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
-Smirks-

May I ask what changed in the past 3 weeks that I haven't been on, to make you change your mind? Because,I looked back on my life and realized that it fucking sucked,but with god it was suppossed to be better.But,I was with him for a long time and nothing changed...so i said fuck it.

[VampiricClown]

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[Dante'sInferno]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
That's what happened to me when I turned 16. And to my surprise, things changed a bit. I was actually able to think for myself. Amen to that!

[monalisa]

I consider myself a Christian because of my beliefs. I don't go to church. I was turned off by that a long time ago. I have my own personal relationship with the God I believe in.

I don't put other's down for their beliefs, although I'm always interested in hearing about them, as long as they don't try to ram their beliefs down my throat. And I can talk openly about what I believe and I won't try to ram my beliefs down their throat. Hell, I probably get more defiant about other topics than I do my spiritual beliefs, because I agree that a person's spiritual beliefs are a very personal thing between them and whatever Deity they believe in.

I personally don't understand athiests, I think people need to believe in something, but it's not my place to judge them or tell them what they should or shouldn't believe in.

Just my 2 cents.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by orangestar
Church always seemed unnecessary to me too. As long as I'm practicing my religion on my own time, God should be fine with that. right? I've always wondered about that...If God is omnipotent (all powerful) and omnipresent (everywhere at the same time)...Then why do people insist that you go to church to worship him?...It seems kinda pointless to me....I mean seriously, you don't take someone whose already where you are, to some place else just to hang out with them, then take them back to where you're going again...Know what I mean?

[wu ghung]

I thought this forum was about.. How paris hilton is thought of as a hollywood A-lister now. But it's just about some loser who has been dumped 18 times this year

[VampiricClown]

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[wu ghung]

Originally posted by Dante'sInferno
Because,I looked back on my life and realized that it fucking sucked,but with god it was suppossed to be better.But,I was with him for a long time and nothing changed...so i said fuck it.
What sucks about your life?

[VampiricClown]

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[Dante'sInferno]

Originally posted by wu ghung
What sucks about your life? Childhood,never got better after that.I'm not going to go into details...bad memories.

[Miss Olivia]

You thought of....Paris Hilton?
This has to be a joke.
Nobody could possibly be that lame.
I think.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by monalisa
I consider myself a Christian because of my beliefs. I don't go to church. I was turned off by that a long time ago. Oh Yeah...You just reminded me of another point...

I've been to churches, and it seems to me that people are WAY too interested in what you're wearing and how you look...Those people seem very stuck up to me...And there is SOOO much gossip...Aren't those things considered 'non-Christian'?...I thought the purpose of going to church (at least, the only purpose I could come up with), was so that people could worship, and share a belief...You know, come together because of something they have in common, not separate themselves into categories of who's better than whom, and point out their differences...

They seem extremely judgemental to me, even though the message of Christ is supposed to be that we are all 'brothers' and we are supposed to accept each other, and be forgiving of everything...."Love the sinner, hate the sin"...Also, the word 'Christian' means 'Christ-like', the bible says that God looks at a person's heart (what's on the inside) and man is concerned with appearances (what's on the outside)...So, if a Christian is supposed to 'be like Christ' why do they care so much about how you look and how you dress?...Isn't that contradictory to their own beliefs, and what they call themselves?....And, isn't that the definition of hypocrisy?

.....I just don't get it....

[VampiricClown]

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[wu ghung]

fair enough. I gave up belief because a stary cat got into my rubbish bin and spilled some rubbish. i mean if there was a god. he wouldn't let such a bad thing happen. My life sucks too. I might go kill myself. Where's my gun? O here it is my, my shotgun was in my pants. O no that's my dick .

[monalisa]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
And that's the way you should be. Be able to listen, and converse back without overdoing it.

Atheists are the way we are because when you don't really believe in anything, there is less conflict with other people. You don't really have to force something on someone else, you have yourself to believe in, and you can live without having to worry every second that if you do something minor wrong that you're going to hell. Just explaining my view of things.

To me it sounds like you may be giving other people a lot more power over your life than they should have. You don't believe in anything, partly because you don't want to get into a conflict with others? Fuck other people and believe in whatever you want.

I understand about the hell thing though. But my personal belief is that God knows me better than I do, he made me, so he knows why I do the things I do and I think he understands me and loves me anyway. That's another reason why I don't go to church, I think my beliefs are more open minded than most in the Christian churches, but that's none of their business and I don't want to hear them try to 'advise' me on things I've already thought about and come to terms with. I guess you could call me an off-beat Christian. My beliefs are based in Christianity, but I'm open to other things too. I'm too curious and fascinated by the universe to not be interested in what it has to offer.

Agnostics, I do understand. They tend to believe there is something out there greater than ourselves, but don't know exactly what it is. The dictionary defines it like this:
An agnostic does not deny the existence of God and heaven but holds that one cannot know for certain whether or not they exist.

OK, I guess that's now my 4 cents worth. :)

[monalisa]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
...I thought the purpose of going to church (at least, the only purpose I could come up with), was so that people could worship, and share a belief...You know, come together because of something they have in common, not separate themselves into categories of who's better than whom, and point out their differences...

You kinda just described HDC (he-he) :) The church of HDC! j/k :p

And I totally agree with you on the judgemental stuff. :rolleyes:

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by wu ghung
fair enough. I gave up belief because a stary cat got into my rubbish bin and spilled some rubbish. i mean if there was a god. he wouldn't let such a bad thing happen. My life sucks too. I might go kill myself. Where's my gun? O here it is my, my shotgun was in my pants. O no that's my dick . lol...Wu's back

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by monalisa
To me it sounds like you may be giving other people a lot more power over your life than they should have. You don't believe in anything, partly because you don't want to get into a conflict with others? Fuck other people and believe in whatever you want. And I second, third, fourth, fifth, and exponential-eth that...:D

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
And I second, third, fourth, fifth, and exponential-eth that...:D To infinity :p

[kpropain]

Religion is the cyanide of the masses!!!!

[monalisa]

Originally posted by kpropain
Religion is the cyanide of the masses!!!!

I personally don't like religion. There have been soooo many wars fought over the disaggreeement of one religion vs. another. And even different interpretataions of the same religion. I do believe in spirituality, which again, is an internal personal thing that you may or may not share beliefs with other people. I just wish that people (not all do this but enough of 'em do) would just respect other peoeple's beliefs and opinions and stop being so nasty about it. A good rousing conversation can be interesting and sometimes enlightening, but there's no reason to be so fucking evil about it. (The World according to Kathy) :)

[kpropain]

I'm not being "nasty about" "IT"

I just have absoultely no belief in "IT" or any other fairy tales, fables or other "GARBAGE" that so many people personally cling to !!!!!!

[monalisa]

Originally posted by kpropain
I'm not being "nasty about" "IT"

I just have absoultely no belief in "IT" or any other fairy tales, fables or other "GARBAGE" that so many people personally cling to !!!!!!

No no no no! I didn't mean that you were being nasty about it, I was thinking more of the shit going on in the middle east.

[monalisa]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
lol...Wu's back

Who IS he or she or whatever?

[PR3SSUR3]

A kiddie fiddler, if it's the same one.

Speaking of which, "Love the sinner, hate the sin" is just fine for the Catholic church - a paedophile priest is not considered incompetent in his work by his superiors.

Atheists are the way we are because when you don't really believe in anything, there is less conflict with other people. You don't really have to force something on someone else, you have yourself to believe in, and you can live without having to worry every second that if you do something minor wrong that you're going to hell. Just explaining my view of things

You would be better off becoming agnostic, since your active atheism is always going to cause problems with your Christian friends.

Remember - in times of doubt, refer to...

HDC; Thread Id 22829; 6th page; 6th post down; 6 paragraphs; 26/6/06

...for reassurance

[noctuary]

Originally posted by kpropain
Religion is the cyanide of the masses!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I may sig this at some point, would you mind?

Anyway, VC, if the girl doesn't care enough about you to accept you as who you are, you're better off without her. Sounds harsh, but it's the truth. Anyone who is going to try to change you like that is never going to be happy with you, no matter how much you change.

[horrorobsessed]

i don't really know how i stand religous wise. i mean i used to go to church when my mom made me go with my sister. i thought it was so boring and would usually end up falling asleep. and the sunday school classes sucked because i wasn't very social.
now though, i don't go to church, but i kinda believe in god. i mean, i don't pray and i don't depend on him, but i think he's up there.........maybe. with all of the stuff that's happened to me and my family over the years it makes my question whether he's up there or not, doubt it though.




I'M SO CONFUSED.

anyways, if your girlfriend really did love you she wouldn't have dumped you because you wouldn't change your thoughts or beliefs. i know that if someone tried to change me in any way i'd tell him to hit the fucking road.

[VampiricClown]

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[orangestar]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
lol, I've done the Agnostic thing. That didn't work out for me. But thanks for the suggestion. And what is the thread you're talking about??

I think this thread has sort of gotten out of hand. I didn't want this to become a religious debate. I was asking if when religion is involved in a relationship, if that can affect one or both members.



Religion has brought me a lot closer to some of my friends, and it has ended other friendships (based on their decisions not to be friends with me because I believe in God). Although I think it is important, I don't think religion should be a factor in deciding who to be in a relationship with.

[PR3SSUR3]

lol, I've done the Agnostic thing. That didn't work out for me. But thanks for the suggestion. And what is the thread you're talking about??

I think this thread has sort of gotten out of hand. I didn't want this to become a religious debate. I was asking if when religion is involved in a relationship, if that can affect one or both members

To clarify agnosticism, you would be taking the stance that God is unknown, or unknowable. Asserting no knowledge of Gods, there are no reasons to believe in them or not to believe in them. The rumour that agnostics must also believe in another 'higher force' is unfounded, since they believe nothing which cannot be demostrated by the senses.

Atheism however is the denial of God, and more an 'alternative' to Christianity. This seems rather fake by comparison, and considered by some as a religion in itself. What is the point in it? 'Rebellion', most likely.

Threads do not get out of hand just because the discussion twists and turns a little - religion is one of the hot topics where it is likely to do so.

The last religion thread has been locked away in that place at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark.

[Vodstok]

Hoo boy.. My turn...:)

My opinion is very complex and, well, opinionated. Number one, i am an atheist. Without som enice, hard proof, i dont believe. Yes, i have an absolute 100% lack of faith.

Now, I have a great deal of respect for some people with faith. People who have a religious belief that does not interfere with the world around them and helps them out, makes them a better person, gives them hope, whatever. I'm cool with that.


People who wear it like a badge, i cant stand. 8its really nothign to be proud of, so get over it. Its like being proud that you believe wearing green makes you taller. it just is.


Grand-Standing religious moralizers are a blight on the face of the earth and should be eradicated by any means necesarry. This includes the Taliban, Jerry Falwell, and any other religious people that would use their beleifs as an excuse to wage war or hate.

Born Again religious people are pathetic and stupid. they are mostly people who were fuck ups in life that have discovered that tellign other people they are shit makes them feel better about all the bad stuff they feel guilty about. like oh, say, being a straight c student (because dad was only that rich) who used har ddrugs and got a DUI long before he became "reformed" and rose to a position of extreme power because of the people who had a vested interest in his success. Not that we know anyone like that.

Those are the kinds of people who take the "moral high ground" on issues that dont personally affect them AT ALL(like abortion), but "regret" to have to tell people that they did something wrong, like perhaps being close buddies with Kenneth Lay (however you spell that dickhead's name) and having to publically decry the horrific crime he perpetrated, even though deep down inside you applaud him for having the balls to run off with the profits. but then again, not that we know of anyone like that.

Now, to qualify somehting so that everyone thinks that Atheism is not a religion... It is. its not particularly organised, but it is a strongly held belief system that people will defend vehemently and angrily. And i have known people who basically "preached the gospel" of atheism. I hate these people with the same passion i have for all zealots.


So, VC... She could not be more pathetic or wrong. She was "Born Again"? So, she is basically a weak minded moron who just so happened to be in the right place at the right time for those manipulative jerkoffs to mold her weak mind into believeing that if she joins their "cult" that she will be a better person than everyone who hasnt. She is now free to look down on Buddhists, Muslums, hindus, and even people who dont follow her particular sect of christianity. let the Judgement Begin!!


Consider it a blessing. People who become born again just managed to get snagged by a major religion before finding a cult or Scientology. (which is a cult)

[Despare]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
Ok, I know some of you are going to flame me for this, but I'm curious.

(The following content has no intended offense towards any of our Christian HDC members.)

My girlfriend went tonight and got "Saved". I told her from the beggining that I'm Atheist and I don't change for anyone, and my religion will remain as it is, and always will. I told her this a week ago when she was talking about changing religions. She said that that was ok, and she understood.

She came up tonight and now wants me to change my religion. Of course, I'm stubborn and my answer was simply "no". She got pissed off about it and started crying to me on the phone about it.

So now we've had a huge fight and broke up over it. She dumped me because I won't be christian....Through a text message no less...Not only that, we were fucking engaged.

Does religion fuck with everyones relationships like this?

I'm a Christian and while I wouldn't push my religion on anybody I can see where it'd be hard for her. In her eyes the person she loves (you) will end up burning in hell for eternity and maybe that's just too hard for her. You're young, don't worry, I've been engaged 3 times, third was a charm. :)

[PR3SSUR3]

Im not sure it is correct to call atheism a religion, since the word refers to beliefs in a supernatural agency or superhuman being.

Consider it more of an anti-religion, in that it requires the notion of God in order to exist.

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
Im not sure it is correct to call atheism a religion, since the word refers to beliefs in a supernatural agency or superhuman being.

Consider it more of an anti-religion, in that it requires the notion of God in order to exist. Wow, i will give you that. Doing a search on "definition religion" on google, all of the results but one specifically stated a belief in a divine or supernatural (or at least superhuman) entity.

one said it was interchangeable with "belief system", which is how i was using it.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Why all the long posts?

If someone doesn't like you for who you are fuck 'em.

[PR3SSUR3]

I'm not having sex with someone who doesn't like me for who I am ever again.

[wu ghung]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
I'm not having sex with someone who doesn't like me for who I am ever again.
Heres hoping you don't have a falling out with with your blow up dolly you have hiding under your bed. Or your hands. or your dogs tounge. or the boy who lives next, who you claim is just a "friend". or all the stray sheep you come across with their stuck in a fence. or your daddys special family friend who claims he comes around to visit your dad, but spends his whole visit locked away in your bedroom teaching you "biology"

[PR3SSUR3]

>Snigger!<

Get upset much?

:D

[wu ghung]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
>Snigger!<

Get upset much?

:D
No. cause i love my hand and my hand loves me for who i am

[PR3SSUR3]

Have sex with it again like last time.

The world is listening.

[wu ghung]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
Have sex with it again like last time.

The world is listening.
nope not the world. the police said that only your dna was recovered from the sperm stain they found outside my window. Besides only loners like you refer to jacking off as sex. normal people call it wanking.

[PR3SSUR3]

I apologise for saying you have sex when in fact you only jack off/wank.

[novadawn969]

anyway...

VC: don't worry about the girl. If you don't belive, don't worry. She's prolly one of those stupid girls who are convinced that they can change there man. My mom thought the same thing, and now she's stuck with my dad. Need I say more???

On a more religious note: I agree with all of you who stated that religion is based on personal belief and experience. Don't worry if the girl got saved. Just be glad that she can make up her mind on something. If she really loved you, she would have made up her mind that she'd love you no matter what. If you personally belive in God, then thats for you to live with. I'm the only Agnostic in my school (christian bording school), and I've dated lots of good little christian boys. I'm just glad that they dumped me for real reasons, not that I don't except God the way they do.

Oh, and if you go to a church where everyone's judging you, who cares. Your there for your personal realtionship with this God character, not to please them. Thats why there are so many people who worship at home. The only reason I can see for going to a church to worship is that you can learn more, and learn how others belive...

Sorry, I talk to much...

[Miss Olivia]

Heh....he said wank.
:D

[newb]

18 IN ONE YEAR........?!?!?!!!?!?!?!






.......looks like you are the one who needs "saving".




praise the lord

[ENTITY2000]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
Ok, I know some of you are going to flame me for this, but I'm curious.

(The following content has no intended offense towards any of our Christian HDC members.)

My girlfriend went tonight and got "Saved". I told her from the beggining that I'm Atheist and I don't change for anyone, and my religion will remain as it is, and always will. I told her this a week ago when she was talking about changing religions. She said that that was ok, and she understood.

She came up tonight and now wants me to change my religion. Of course, I'm stubborn and my answer was simply "no". She got pissed off about it and started crying to me on the phone about it.

So now we've had a huge fight and broke up over it. She dumped me because I won't be christian....Through a text message no less...Not only that, we were fucking engaged.

Does religion fuck with everyones relationships like this?
it won't last long she was problee pressured in to it!
i am a backslider i find nothing anybody says here about christianity offensive, to each his own! so in conclusion it is a phase more than likelee!

[Angelakillsluts]

I'm agnostic so if god's ever wondering whether he should let me into heaven or not atleast I can say "Hey, I never said I didn't believe in you" I mean if you ever end up in that situation as an athiest you just look like a dumbass. :D

Anyway... why would you get engaged to someone who's mind can be so easily manipulated? I mean she is converted and breaks up with her fiancee in the span of a couple hours. Sorry to say it, but I think it's you that has the problem.

[monalisa]

You're both pretty young, so give it time to let things play out the way they should. Don't jump into marriage, the option will still be there when you have a relationship that you really think can last and does really last. Be engaged for a while, like a year or more. Don't assume that it'll all just get better if you get married, it doesn't. She broke up with you, so that means you guys need to take some time away from each other. If it all works out in the end, wonderful, if it doesn't than it wouldn't have worked anyway. Better to find out these things about people before you get married.

[PR3SSUR3]

Perhaps true agnostics do not consider themselves as so, since their ignorance to God or no God requires no label or religious/irreligious standing.

[stubbornforgey]

Your cool VC.
Good on you for standing ure ground.
The thing with religion should be a personal choice not a forced one.
Ah well...its her loss. :rolleyes:

[Angelakillsluts]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
Perhaps true agnostics do not consider themselves as so, since their ignorance to God or no God requires no label or religious/irreligious standing.

Everything has a label :confused:

Define a true agnostic. Maybe my definition isn't the same as yours...

"Someone who believes that the evidence for and against the existence of God is inconclusive."

[Soloman Kane]

I'am a Roman Catholic who went to a Born Again Christian high school. Read that again really slowly. Religion is something I've had my whole life. Its a subject I studied while growing up & I've seen it ruin lives & help people who have used it to rebuild lives.
Not only have I been in the situation described at the beginning of this thread but I've been the one who did the breaking up also. I've had women leave me because of a choose in religion I made in college. I went down the satanic rote for 2 years & it was more like a social sewing circle then anything else. Then it all stopped.
I made nice with my parents who are Roman Catholic & everything was great. The problem for me came with the pedophile sex scandals. There was nothing that happened in my local church but it began to make me question everything I had been taught as a kid. About 3 years ago I walked away from the church. I haven't looked back at all.
However let me say that I wouldn't get involved with a lady who was of the born again faith. There was an aweful lot of screwed up people in those churches. After high school & other experiances I avoid them like the plague. Anyhow my 2 cents...

[Vodstok]

Nice input, Kane. Very insightful and enlightening.

[Miss Olivia]

I worship at the church of Dawn Olivia. It's my personal beliefs, made by my mind, which encompasses my universe.
It's pretty sweet. I don't have to tithe.

[PR3SSUR3]

Everything has a label

Define a true agnostic. Maybe my definition isn't the same as yours...

"Someone who believes that the evidence for and against the existence of God is inconclusive."

Everything, perhaps, but if you consider 'agnostics' do not specifically practice anything (unlike atheists, who are thought active in the disbelief in God) yet are labelled so because of their non-recognition or denial of the concept of the supernatural forces, it seems an unnecessary action to need to call them something. You may as well make up a word for someone who is impartial or undecided on milk, or lamb steak.

Having a logical point of view shouldn't mean the nuts can throw nametags at you - unless non-committal types specifically want to stand out from the crowd, of course.

[Angelakillsluts]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
Everything, perhaps, but if you consider 'agnostics' do not specifically practice anything (unlike atheists, who are thought active in the disbelief in God) yet are labelled so because of their non-recognition or denial of the concept of the supernatural forces, it seems an unnecessary action to need to call them something. You may as well make up a word for someone who is impartial or undecided on milk, or lamb steak.



lmfao at impartial to lamb steak. :p

Actually I do agree with you, it is unnecessary.


(I love how you can just edit posts on the internet if you take offense to something and then seconds later realize your misunderstanding.)

[PR3SSUR3]

No, they do not deny the supernatural forces (i.e. God), nor do they recognise them. To believe, judge and accept that the existence of God cannot be confirmed or denied does not require a tag since it is only deemed active in the face of believers to the contrary.

[PR3SSUR3]

P.S.

Your editing is too quick for me.

:D

[Angelakillsluts]

:)

[monalisa]

I was brought up Lutheran, Missouri Synod Lutheran, which is about as strict as Lutheran Churches get. In later years I went to a born again church, an Assemblies of God church. I went to that church for about 1 1/2 years. I learned a lot but got turned off by it when I started to have things happen to me that weren't coming from God, but from the preachers. I can go into more detail of anyone wants me to, but I'm trying to keep this short. Anyway, I finally stopped going. My boyfriend at the time and I both went there together and stopped together. He was actually the one that started because his dad went there.

My point is, she is going to feel really strong and encouraged by her experience at first, and she will probably learn a lot. Depending on her experiences she'll either stay with it or start to question it and move on.

You can't change her any more than she should try to change you. As I said before, give it time and let it all play out. Maybe you'll find someone new in the mean time, maybe you won't. She may or may not too. But you have to do what's right for you.

Hang in there, you can always vent to all of us when the going gets rough. Of course, we may tease you and make you feel worse. J/K ! :)

Well, so much for keeping this short. :p

[DraculaInDallas]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
Let's see....This is my 18 relationship in the past year :D

:rolleyes:

[VampiricClown]

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[Despare]

I'd make sure you're ready to settle down before marriage... 18 relationships this year and you were engaged? Don't add to the divorce rate...

[VampiricClown]

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[Elvis_Christ]

http://www.christianshirts.net/images/designs/small/tjwcaa150.gif:eek:

[monalisa]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
Haha, We aren't going to get married for two years. The only reason we're engaged is so that we will remember that we have someone to turn to when things get rough and will always remember that we belong to someone. Try harder to make things work than being in a normal relationship and being able to get out of it just like that when we get mad.

It makes you stop and think for a bit.

I don't want to sound mean, but you said it would make you try harder than in a normal relationship, but yet she broke up with you without hardly blinking an eyelash when things got rough. I'm glad you guys got back together, but I hope she doesn't continue fucking with your emotions like that. It's good that you're not getting married for a couple of years and I truly do hope things work out, but Iaaaahhhh'm gonna just shut up now. Take care and be careful VC, OK? Don't like seeing ya get hurt.

[AUSTIN316426808]

What exactly do you consider a relationship? Because 18 in a year barely gives you 2 weeks per.

[Miss Olivia]

It seems like it's the same girl, over and over.
Ah, youth.

I don't have the patience for relationships like that. If we break up, you might get one chance. After that, forget it. It's not supposed to be a game, but I guess sometimes it takes a while to figure that out.

You need to remember that LOVING someone doesn't necessarily mean NEEDING them. Why the hell would you stay miserable when there's no upside to it? Sex and companionship are two things that there's always an excess of.... why make something permanent if it's obviously so shaky in the first place? It's like building a house on a Jell-o mold.

[novadawn969]

Originally posted by Miss Olivia
I don't have the patience for relationships like that. If we break up, you might get one chance. After that, forget it. It's not supposed to be a game, but I guess sometimes it takes a while to figure that out.

ditto. :p

Listen, VC. Trust should always be stronger than love. How can you trust her to love you when she can't make up her own damn mind??? Be careful. You have a whole website looking out for you, but you still make your own mistakes.

If she does this kinda thing every month, do you really want to spend the rest of your life with her? She seems flighty to me.



My mom pointed out a really good point to me too. She'll find it hard to be with you when she can't share all of her heart with you. God is now in her heart, and may be a big part of it soon. If she can't share it, then 1 of two thingscan happen:

a) you two will grow more and more apart emotionally until your miserable and break up

or

b) you two will constantly bicker about religion as your doing now, and it's just one subject that could be avoided, but constantly comes up.

kk, I'm done. :D