Question Concerning Animals in Horror films

[Methen]

I am just curious, but has any but my self noticed that it seems that they cant make a horror movie any more unless it has got to have some animal getting killed in it?

[The Mothman]

not really true in the slightest bit, there are very few films with real animal killing in it, men behind the sun, cannibal holocaust and ferox, may be a few others but thats pretty much it. while i do have to admit it bothers me greatly, and for that reason i refuse to watch men behind the sun, because i have a passion for cats.

[Methen]

well I can think of several
jaws
cujo
the ring
the grudge
the remake of antiville
mans best friend
Far to many for me to even remember
orca
Black beauty
Hell even lassie had scenes where a Mountain lion got shot
The other ( think thats the title) involved a kid shooting a dog with a home made bow)
Aligator
Deal alive
x-files
The Blob
The Simpsons (non Horror)
Family Guy (non Horror)
American Dad (non Horror)
That 70s show (non Horror)
Hell even lassie had scenes where a Mountain lion got shot.

Theres a crap load more of them but I cant remember I simply got to the point if it has, I get up and shut it off.

I think these writers need to learn that theres a very fine line between scareing someone to Death and grossing them out
what would be nice is to have a rating for animals being harmed
in movies Something like AH involves scenes that involve animal harm.

[mothermold]

You forgot Old Yeller.

[PR3SSUR3]

The animals have to be killed.

[ManchestrMorgue]

The animals in The Simpsons are not real.

[zwoti]

Originally posted by Methen
I am just curious, but has any but my self noticed that it seems that they cant make a horror movie any more unless it has got to have some animal getting killed in it?


jeez, next you'll say we can't kill any people anymore.



ps
people really die in the movies, they just bring out their clone to star in the next movie :eek:


pps
the world is actually flat, the myth that it is round is perpetuated by hippies and communists

[knife_fight]

Originally posted by Methen

The Simpsons (non Horror)
Family Guy (non Horror)
American Dad (non Horror)
That 70s show (non Horror)




is this really necessary?

also, there's a difference in an animal being in a movie and it getting killed. blowing up a robot shark at the end of Jaws is a bit different than showing natives behead an alligator.

also, you seem to be saying that "these days" people can't make a movie without killing an animal, but the movies you list span several decades.

anywho. not trying to be a dick. just trying to get you to be more specific and back your point up a bit better.

[crabapple]

by the way...the robot shark in Jaws wanted to be blown up. Andthey didn't waste aything. After filming, the blown up robot was eaten. By other robots

[Methen]

Not really, when Jaws first came out it caused
such a panic well lets just say that there was
a whole lot more shark hunting
due to that movie.

Now as far as The simpsons
sure that's only a cartoon
but its being watched by very young minds
who think man lets do that to our cat!
and regardless what the rating is the simple fact is
Its a cartoon and kids watch cartoons.

Most people who do abuse animals
in real life most likely learned it off TV


Now as far as movies such as Jaws Anaconda
and all the other Snake Shark and alligator as well
Giant crocodile movies I can see it to a point when
they were playing the main villain.

But I am mainly referring to innocent animals
getting nocked off for no reason

such as in the remake of The Amityville Horror (2005)

here a dog was trying to give warning
and for its reward it gets a axe in the head!

Now here is what you need to ask why would a writer wish
to add something like that to a movie answer: cause he watched
shows like the simpsons when he was a kid.


The purpose of a Horror movie is to Scare people
not Gross them out! there a very fine line between the two.

[azathoth777]

Originally posted by Methen

Now as far as The simpsons
sure that's only a cartoon
but its being watched by very young minds
who think man lets do that to our cat!
and regardless what the rating is the simple fact is
Its a cartoon and kids watch cartoons.

Most people who do abuse animals
in real life most likely learned it off TV

Now here is what you need to ask why would a writer wish
to add something like that to a movie answer: cause he watched
shows like the simpsons when he was a kid.

The purpose of a Horror movie is to Scare people
not Gross them out! there a very fine line between the two.

Right, and people kill because of video games.

[crabapple]

So, to clarify, you're talking about animals being killed off in the story--you're not talking about actual living animals being killed during the making of the movie. This disturbs you. And you feel these scenes promote a hatred of animals. Well, I don't know what to say to that...except to say that, you've brought up the classic debate of whether our media affects us and to what degree.

I always felt that the answer was somewhere in the middle...nebulous. That is to say, I don't believe watching violent films, for example, automatically makes a person violent. However, to claim that imagery and stories have no effect on people at all is also unbelievable...we watch and buy our media precisely because it has an effect--we react to it. So in my opinion, the answer isn't something that can be pinned down, but I think it is valuable to discuss it.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by Methen
Now as far as The simpsons
sure that's only a cartoon
but its being watched by very young minds
who think man lets do that to our cat!
and regardless what the rating is the simple fact is
Its a cartoon and kids watch cartoons.

Don't say ''regardless what the rating'', the rating is there for a reason, to let parents know if the content maybe inappropriate for kids. If the parents ignore this warning then it's their fault.


Originally posted by Methen
Now here is what you need to ask why would a writer wish
to add something like that to a movie answer: cause he watched
shows like the simpsons when he was a kid.

Contrary to your belief, kids watching the Simpsons isn't the root of all evil.

[azathoth777]

Originally posted by Methen

Now as far as The simpsons
sure that's only a cartoon
but its being watched by very young minds
who think man lets do that to our cat!
and regardless what the rating is the simple fact is
Its a cartoon and kids watch cartoons.

Most people who do abuse animals
in real life most likely learned it off TV

Now here is what you need to ask why would a writer wish
to add something like that to a movie answer: cause he watched
shows like the simpsons when he was a kid.

The purpose of a Horror movie is to Scare people
not Gross them out! there a very fine line between the two.

I've grew up watching Tom & Jerry, Bugs Bunny and countless 80's catoons that where violent. I've never once hurt or killed an animal, in fact I'm a vegetarion. Are you? If not, animals die for you every day. I don't care if you are or not and I'm not trying to preach, but it seems a little bit hypocritical to worry about animals that die in movies(even though they don't really die, there are strick rule about these things), then go out and have a hamburger.
I'm always amazed at things like this, as the brutal death of people is fine, but a dog...

[Vodstok]

As a writer i can tell you a single simple reason why about 99% of innocent animals are killed in a movie:

To make the killer completely despicable. Killing a person is rather commonplace in movies, but killing an animal in one is an ultimate act of evil . Animals are most often portrayed (like kids) as innocents, and as a result, are a great tool for manipulating the audience.

Look at Dog Soldiers as an example of both. Cooper is the good guy. He not only refuses to shoot the dog at the beinning of the movie, he also pets and looks after Sam later on. Ryan, on the other hand, is the bad guy. he not only kills the dog at the beginning, he tries to kill Sam a couple of times. It is nothing more than influencing the audience, which is all a movie is trying to do anyway.

And not to sound too much like a jerk, but get over it. The Simpsons is a cartoon, so is Southpark. And Family guy, and American dad, Anime, etc. Like austin said, if the parents arent watching what their kids watch, then it's their fault if the kids end up warped.

Hell yes, this kind of imagery can affect people. I saqw Alien at 5, and it stuck with me my whole life. However, due to my upbringing, i am not out performing chest operations on unwilling subjects, i mertely have a strong love of sci fi, horror and monster movies in general.

[crabapple]

By the way, if you take antibiotics to get rid of a bug you have, if you use antibacterial soap to kill the germs on your hands, you're killing animals.

[ENTITY2000]

why do you say that? :confused:

[crabapple]

I dunoo...seemed relevant to the topic in some vague way.

[ENTITY2000]

lol! ok i hear ya !:D

[Methen]

To make the killer completely despicable. Killing a person is rather common place in movies, but killing an animal in one is an ultimate act of evil . Animals are most often portrayed (like kids) as innocents, and as a result, are a great tool for manipulating the audience

Oh well if you really want to do that
just show little kids getting tore apart
piece by piece with the full bloodie details!

Then you really will have a completely Despicable killer!
Hmmm Not to meation a lot of people vomiting there guts all over the place.

I mean if your going to go out for evil
Hell go all the way!

[massacre man]

Originally posted by ManchestrMorgue
The animals in The Simpsons are not real. Never EVER, say that in my presence.

What Vod said anyway...

[ENTITY2000]

yeah all the way ! wooo hooo!:p

[massacre man]

Originally posted by Methen
Quote:
To make the killer completely despicable. Killing a person is rather common place in movies, but killing an animal in one is an ultimate act of evil . Animals are most often portrayed (like kids) as innocents, and as a result, are a great tool for manipulating the audience

Oh well if you really want to do that
just show little kids getting tore apart
piece by piece with the full bloodie details!

Then you really will have a completely Despicable killer!
Hmmm Not to meation a lot of people vomiting there guts all over the place.

I mean if your going to go out for evil
Hell go all the way! If they showed a kid being torn apart they would lose their budget, get the fuck sued out of them if that kind of thing ever got into theatres. Next thing you know you're gonna bitch about it why anyone has to die in a horror movie, you're one of those lonely people who have nothing to do but protest things that have nothing to do with you at all, aren't you?

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by crabapple
By the way, if you take antibiotics to get rid of a bug you have, if you use antibacterial soap to kill the germs on your hands, you're killing animals.

Germs arent animals, they are either protozoans, bacteria or viruses. So endeth Mr Anal Technical Guy's lesson.

Originally posted by Methen
Quote:
To make the killer completely despicable. Killing a person is rather common place in movies, but killing an animal in one is an ultimate act of evil . Animals are most often portrayed (like kids) as innocents, and as a result, are a great tool for manipulating the audience

Oh well if you really want to do that
just show little kids getting tore apart
piece by piece with the full bloodie details!

Then you really will have a completely Despicable killer!
Hmmm Not to meation a lot of people vomiting there guts all over the place.

I mean if your going to go out for evil
Hell go all the way!

It's all about context and manipulation. In the dog soldiers example, there werent any little kids to be torn apart into bloodie (:rolleyes: ) pieces. and there is a huge gulf between the quiet nutcase next door and Pol Pott.

I hop eyou are just acting over-sensitive to someone criticizing what you said (and trying to be constructive, i might add), but your suggestion is like saying "well, why dont we just nerve gas and nuke the entire middle east? that would stop them from fighting!"

Calm down. Fluffy wasnt really hurt, that is what the disclaimer at the end of the credits is for. Dont be one o fthose "this offends me a little so the whole world should stop doing it" people.

[ENTITY2000]

i think we have a animal rights activist own our hands!

[crabapple]

Originally posted by Vodstok
Germs arent animals, they are either protozoans, bacteria or viruses.



Dude.....germs are animals!

[crabapple]

Dude.......okay, well, maybe they're not. But they sure look like animals, that's fer sure.

[Vodstok]

Dont mess with me man... i'll flip ya. Flip ya for real...

10 points to whoever knows what movie that is from.

[crabapple]

I've seen it, I just don't remember what the hell movie it was. Xanadu?

[Methen]

Ohh I see
if it involves a animal
getting hurt that's ok

but when it involves a kid being taken apart then that's
all together a whole different story.

Well like you said
Its only a Movie no one is really getting hurt :)

Ya see the point is pretty much the same when you think about it
Just as there are no people that would not want to see a Kid taken apart,There are those of us that feels the same way when it comes to seeing animals harmed for absolutely no other reason then just cause the writer decides to make his villain more despicabale and evil.

[Despare]

Originally posted by Methen
Ohh I see
if it involves a animal
getting hurt that's ok

but when it involves a kid being taken apart then that's
all together a whole different story.

Well like you said
Its only a Movie no one is really getting hurt :)

Ya see the point is pretty much the same when you think about it
Just as there are no people that would want to see a Kid taken apart,Tthere are those of us that feels the same way when it comes to seeing animals harmed for absolutely no other reason then just cause the writer decides to make hid villain more despicabale and evil.

I'd be fine with both. Look at Battle Royale or the original Assault on Preceinct 13. Kids die too, even in movies.

[crabapple]

If we took out everything that offended everybody, then there wouldn't be any movies to watch, don't you think?

[crabapple]

But goodness knows I am one of the biggest supporters of cute animals here. I respect all the squirrels, rats, cats, bunnies and dogs in the world.

[hammerfan]

And you can't get more cute than this:

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by Methen
Ohh I see
if it involves a animal
getting hurt that's ok

but when it involves a kid being taken apart then that's
all together a whole different story.

Well like you said
Its only a Movie no one is really getting hurt :)

Ya see the point is pretty much the same when you think about it
Just as there are no people that would not want to see a Kid taken apart,There are those of us that feels the same way when it comes to seeing animals harmed for absolutely no other reason then just cause the writer decides to make his villain more despicabale and evil.

Again, to give you the benefit of the doubt, ill assume you are just being argumantative for the sake of discusiion....

the idea IS to get you upset.Everyone should, on some level, get pissed off when an animal character is harmed in a movie. Animals are innocents, unless they happen to be the villain themselves. in many cases, they go the animal route because it is just as evil as harming a kid, but less overall upsetting to some degree. (in general)

BUT, the idea is to get you riled up. Hell, in the Rod Warrior, i dont know a single person who car3ed what happened to the weirtd little wolf kid (or maybe Dingo Kid, it was australia..), btu when the dog was killed, people were out for blood. i had one friend who came completely unglued.

Now, a couple more points:

To reiterate, they arent really hurting a living being, it is a not-real character. Yes, animals can be characters too. A tree is character given the right context (there's that "c" word again...)

Second, if the artificial, not real and totally fake animal cruelty in mvoes disturbs you that much, i woudll recommend:

A) Watching mosstly old Disney movies, but not lassie or fox and the hound.

B) Find the number of a good therapist and have some long loong talks about your feelings.

[crabapple]

Originally posted by Vodstok
Hell, in the Rod Warrior, i dont know a single person .........



We are not supposed to talk about Adult Moition Picture here. That is for another forum THANK YOU

[ENTITY2000]

if you wanna see people really DIE, rent the faces of death!

[Vodstok]

Okay, i have been holding off on asking this but....


You dont support or belong to PETA do you, Methen?

Of course, you ghave (at this point) 5 posts to your name, and you are already getting snippy, so i will assume that your are either someone who usually post here under another name being an ass, or sommeone who joins forums to shart shit.

Please prove me wrong on both.

[Methen]

Originally posted by azathoth777
I've grew up watching Tom & Jerry, Bugs Bunny and countless 80's catoons that where violent. I've never once hurt or killed an animal, in fact I'm a vegetarion. Are you? If not, animals die for you every day. I don't care if you are or not and I'm not trying to preach, but it seems a little bit hypocritical to worry about animals that die in movies(even though they don't really die, there are strick rule about these things), then go out and have a hamburger.
I'm always amazed at things like this, as the brutal death of people is fine, but a dog...

I'm a vegetarion. Are you?
( Yes I am:)

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by Methen
I'm a vegetarion. Are you?
( Yes I am:) Is that like vegetable carrion?

A carrot buzzard. I never knew they existed.

[Miss Olivia]

I hate vegetables.
Why is nobody complaining about the slut murders here?
I feel I must take a stand for all the poor slutty girls in the movies who go for a little nooky and get wasted in horrible ways. Nobody ever speaks for the poor, poor sluts. Do you not feel it's wrong and inhuman to slaughter innocent skanks wearing nothing but a shirt and high heels with machetes, claws, arrows, butcher knives, etc.?
I'm going to start PETS.
People For The Ethical Treatment of Sluts.
:D

[crabapple]

This conversation is great but it is making me want to go down the street and get a falafel sandwich.

[Vodstok]

Great, PETS and PETA work together on a shirt...


"Eat Women, not animals"

[zwoti]

Originally posted by Vodstok
Dont mess with me man... i'll flip ya. Flip ya for real...

10 points to whoever knows what movie that is from.

i don't need the points

[crabapple]

Heck that sounds even better than falafel.

Scratch that falafel thought.

[Miss Olivia]

No, I like "Save Sluts. Fuck Animals" better.
Or maybe "Save Sluts. Do you Want to Fuck Animals?"

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by zwoti
i don't need the points I'll give them to someone else. Care to enlighten the masses?

[crabapple]

You two think yer so smart, so much better than everone eklse

You are LOSER get out of my way!

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by crabapple
You two think yer so smart, so much better than everone eklse

You are LOSER get out of my way! I like you. You make me smile. :)

[zwoti]

Originally posted by Vodstok
I'll give them to someone else. Care to enlighten the masses?

gotta get me one of these :D

http://www.zachd.com/kubricks/usual%20suspects%20set.jpg

[Vodstok]

You kick ass so much you should be arrested for assault.

I should start an obscure reference thread...

To the Bee Mobile!

[Vodstok]

Hmmm... this thing died just as it was getting interesting.


Its either a coincidence, or someone got pissy at me calling them out...

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by Methen
Ohh I see
if it involves a animal
getting hurt that's ok

but when it involves a kid being taken apart then that's
all together a whole different story.




Are you comparing a kid to a fucking dog?

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Are you comparing a kid to a fucking dog? If this person is serious (Which i doubt, they came in and whithin their first 5 posts started shit) they are clearly a peta worshipping nutbag, so yes, they equate animals with human children.

Im sorry, i love my dog, but if it comes between my dog or my daughter, the pooch is toast.

[Methen]

No Iam not a member of Peta
and Sometimes I know they go to extremes
But have you ever took a look at just what there fighting

The simple truth is I dont go on there site
cause I cant deal with it, there is trully some Sick People out there

below is a link to just one of there videos that is if you have a strong stomach if not I would not advice clicking on
it, It was simply to much for me.


http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=testing123

[Miss Olivia]

Animals should not
suffer, but I like to eat
Yum yum good grilled meat

[crabapple]

I would never eat my little kitties because they are like little people, they are always scared and they depend on me for food and so on. So I am inclined to worry about them and I get concerned when they just run off and I don't know if they're okay, etc. They are my little Cat Friends! I will eat a hamburger, however. And if the cats want to eat rats, then so be it because we have too many damn rats living in the area anyway.

[Despare]

Was it Ghost in the Machine where the dog got trapped in the pool and died? i'm pretty sure it was. Would you rather the boy had died? Don't watch horror movies if you're offended by artificial reproductions of violence, murder, rape, and other disturbing subjects.

[Methen]

I am a (True) Animal Lover
you really dont want me to answer
Questions that involve chooseing between
a Animal and a human

(Trust me you wouldnt like the Answer)

[AUSTIN316426808]

I'm a animal lover, but if it's a dog or my little brother, I'm sorry but the dog is dead.

If ''true'' animal lover means I'm going to save a dog before a child, then I guess I'm just not ''true''.

[Miss Olivia]

So are you saying you'd rather fuck a sheep?
Creepy.

[azathoth777]

Originally posted by Methen
I am a (True) Animal Lover
you really dont want me to answer
Questions that involve chooseing between
a Animal and a human

(Trust me you wouldnt like the Answer)

As a person who has been doing animal rights stuff for over a decade, I'd be interested to know your definition of 'True' Animal Lover.
And I most certainly do want you to answer these questions...

[crabapple]

The most indignant thread just became the most twisted thread.

I looked out the window just now, and you may or may not find this surprising, but there were sheep people out there. Weresheep, if you will.

[PR3SSUR3]

Just because he/she might engage in sordid bestiality, does not mean they are required to 'love' the animals.

I mean, what are they - married?

[stubbornforgey]

Lassie!!!

ya all forgot lassie ..n besides where do
you think they get the meat for thier bques on location :D

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by Methen
I am a (True) Animal Lover
you really dont want me to answer
Questions that involve chooseing between
a Animal and a human

(Trust me you wouldnt like the Answer)

thios clearly implies that you would choose the animal over people, which is hardly as shocking as you would like it to seem. believe it or not, this ius a very commonly held feeling by many "normal" people. Animals are simply more sympathetic than people. they only emote, they dont really show a deep level of thinking for the most part, and are typically gregarious and freindly, or just plain cute. The same cant be said for the average human, ESPECIALY those of us that are American. Sorry if this defuses your attempt at being dramatic, but i seriously doubt anyone woudl be impressed if you told them your "answer". I doubt most of us would have much of an opinion, let alone "not like it".


Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
Just because he/she might engage in sordid bestiality, does not mean they are required to 'love' the animals.

I mean, what are they - married?


That is funny. :)

[Vodstok]

Come to think of it, if they do "love" the animals, is the beastiality really all that sordid? Unless, of course, that certain horse is, you know, married already.