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CHRIS24

07-10-2006, 01:08 PM

The more more i think about it there really hasnt been an actual dracula movie that lives upto the first three hammer films ever.

Miss Olivia

07-10-2006, 02:28 PM

It's because Bela is dead.:(

Posher778

07-10-2006, 05:24 PM

the 1992 one is my favorite.

CHRIS24

07-10-2006, 05:42 PM

dracula 2000 and those others really suck nuts

filmmaker2

07-10-2006, 06:36 PM

You know Chris, for the most part, I agree. Those first three Hammer movies were all really, really good. The later ones were fun, but not as much fun.

I thought "Captain Kronos" was pretty damn good, even if it wasn't a Dracula film.

CHRIS24

07-10-2006, 06:47 PM

yeah its like Christopher Lee who has done these films close to over 40 years ago is still the master actor who plays dracula and yeah the later ones where a little goof ballish especially dracula 1972 or the satanic rites of dracula, but the point is that im trying to say is i dont think there will ever be an actor that will come close to christopher lee's version. I think somebody should be able to make a great franchise at dracula again but who could fit his shoes?

The_Return

07-10-2006, 06:52 PM

I might get my throat ripped out for this, but I honestly thought Richard Roxburgh did a great job in Van Helsing. Nowhere near as great as Lugosi or Lee of course, but I still think he was very good as the Count, despite the many flaws of the film.

AUSTIN316426808

07-10-2006, 07:33 PM

Ya can't forget about Nosferatu which came before the '31 film. Only reason it wasn't called Dracula is because the film company couldn't get the rights to the story. Florence Stoker(Bram's widow) even sued for copyright infringement and won because of the close similarities with only slight changes.

CHRIS24

07-10-2006, 07:52 PM

no ya can't forget about nosferatu pure classic and I think nowadays your not going to make a movie that can rival these.

CHRIS24

07-10-2006, 08:11 PM

And Lee hands down is always going to be the only true count dracula

Miss Olivia

07-10-2006, 08:34 PM

Bullshit. Bela OWNED Dracula.
He was even buried in his cape. Christopher Lee was good and all, but Bela was better IMO.

AUSTIN316426808

07-10-2006, 08:47 PM

Gerard Butler did my favorite Dracula performance.

filmmaker2

07-10-2006, 10:10 PM

Lugosi brought a special energy to his portrayal, and I have to give props to his mad skillz.............word.

ManchestrMorgue

07-11-2006, 02:15 AM

The first 3 Hammer Dracula movies were certainly excellent, however I do feel that later films in the series also have a lot to offer.

Personally, I like Scars of Dracula a lot, however I know this is not necessarily a very popular opinion. Sure, it's not perfect, and Cushing is missed in any Hammer Dracula film; however it does portray the Count as being more cruel than most of the previous movies in the series.

And as for Dracula AD 1972, I can't stay mad at any movie with "Alligator Man" in it. :D

I think BBC's 1977 production of Count Dracula was excellent. Sure, it does look like a BBC production as opposed to a Hollywood film, but it was a very faithful retelling of Bram Stoker's novel, and it had some great moments including Lucy in the tomb, Harker being met by the Count's coach, and several others. I saw this when I was quite young and haven't had the opportunity to see it again, but I have always remembered it very fondly.

Naturally, Dracula (1931) and Nosferatu (both versions) are excellent films and classics of cinema in general, as well as horror cinema.

urgeok

07-11-2006, 05:08 AM

i think the vampire legend is the most bloated, overdone, uninteresting line of horror possible.

there is no point of making any more until someone comes up with a fresh idea (i.e. NEVER)

nosferatu
lugosis dracula
langellas dracula
blade.

thats all we'lll ever need.

filmmaker2

07-11-2006, 07:53 AM

Uh................................................ .....................you're wrong.

urgeok

07-11-2006, 07:54 AM

i was only ever wrong once ..

i thought i was wrong about something .. but it turns out i was mistaken :D

filmmaker2

07-11-2006, 08:33 AM

Oh, a wise guy, huh?

spookychild

07-11-2006, 11:48 AM

No Bela Lugosi = Not as Good

CHRIS24

07-11-2006, 05:47 PM

ok Bela only played dracula role once

Miss Olivia

07-11-2006, 05:59 PM

Actually, he played the role for the rest of his life.
Quantity doesn't always make quality. He was the first Dracula I ever saw, and nobody else has ever measured up. Of course, not everybody feels the same way, but he was the best Dracula for me.

CHRIS24

07-11-2006, 06:25 PM

WELL THATS COOL THAT HE WAS THE FIRST ACTUAL ACTOR THAT PLAYED DRACULA THAT YA SAW BUT HE ONLY PLAYED THE ROLE WHAT TWICE IN dRACULA AND ABBOT AN COSTELLO MEET FRANKENSTEIN. HE WAS IN THE MARK OF THE VAMPIRE AND THE RETURN OF THE VAMPIRE BUT HE WASNT ACTUALLY DRACULA.

Miss Olivia

07-11-2006, 07:16 PM

HE STILL ROCKED IT.

Violent Messiah

07-11-2006, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by urgeok
i think the vampire legend is the most bloated, overdone, uninteresting line of horror possible.

there is no point of making any more until someone comes up with a fresh idea (i.e. NEVER)

nosferatu
lugosis dracula
langellas dracula
blade.

thats all we'lll ever need.

I agree and disagree with the above. The vampire legend only seems overdone and uninteresting because lately its been done so badly, IMO. These days, if someone was to do a new Dracula, it would most likely stink with the taint...err, influence... of Anne Rice. Dracula would probably be some metrosexual, slightly effeminate ponce playing the misunderstood bad boy. "Oh I'm cursed to drink blood, I can never see the sun again, I simply can't bear to be immortal, boo hoo..."

And IMO, that's bullshit! My vision of the way vampires should be is they should stop being something women sigh about when thinking of...They need to be scary again. Does the wolf stir up lustful feelings in the sheep it stalks? No, just pure, unadultrated FEAR, the way it was meant to be. :mad:

When someone can bring the vampire legend back and show why they should be feared and not to feel pity over, THEN its time for a new Dracula movie...Or better yet, a new Nosferatu movie. :D

/End rant Thanks, guys...:D

CHRIS24

07-11-2006, 09:01 PM

BRILLIANTLY PUT.....aS FOR LUGOSI YES HE WAS THE ONE THAT STARTED THE WHOLE THING AND AS PEOPLE SAY HE WAS CURSED
BECAUSE THE ROLE JUMP STARTED HIS CAREER AND ALSO KILLED IT. i THINK THE REASON WHY i PREFER THE HORROR OF DRACULA OVER THE 1930'S VERSION IS BECAUSE ITS WAY MORE REALISTIC AND ITS NOT SO BORING THERES MUCH MORE GOING ON AND OF COURSE THERE IS BECAUSE THERE IS 20 SOME ODD YEAR GAP IN THE MOVIES. pLUS HAMMER FILMS KEPT ASKING LEE TO PORTRAY DRACULA CAUSE HE CARRIED THE ROLE SO WELL, BUT TO BAD HAMMER FILMS COULDNT GET THERE WRITERS OFF ACID TO WRITE A GOOD SCRIPT AT THE END. SO IN MY THOUGHTS THERE WILL NEVER BE A MODERN DRACULA TO COMPARE TO LEE OR LUGOSI, i MEAN SH*T AS CRAZY AS HOLLYWOOD IS THEY WOULD PROPABLY CAST NICHOLAS CAGE OR WILL SMITH AS BLACULA

Miss Olivia

07-12-2006, 08:54 AM

*hisses* Nick Cage as Dracula??? That's a horrible thought....especially since it's possible....
I haven't even thought of Blackula in years....from what I remember it was a cool movie, but I haven't seen it since I was a kid....has anybody seen it lately?

tachii

07-12-2006, 11:50 AM

nay

hammerfan

07-12-2006, 11:56 AM

urgeok

07-12-2006, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by hammerfan
I think you're the only person I've ever seen that has brought up Langella's version of Dracula. You never cease to amaze me, urge! I saw Langella in the play on Broadway so of course had to see the movie when it came out because he was amazing in the play.

i think i've seen it come up a couple of times .. but he's not one a lot of people remember..

he was my first exposure to Dracula so although he never set the bar for me (i have no problem with a more horrific and less romantic vampire) i still always liked what he did with the role.

I'm suprised you didnt bring up the Hammer vampires ..

although i do like christopher lee a lot (not to mention Peter Cushing) i think the hammer horrors went a long way in making Dracula too recognizable and over exposed ..

I have a documentary somewhere about dracula films, books, etc ..
it starts with the vampire narrator (it may have been Chris Lee) complaining about how commercialized vampires are and cited the Count from sesame st. and count chocula among the examples .. it was done as a joke but there's a big ring of truth to it ... he's too familiar .. he's like frankenstein and the wolfman and the mummy where they have been used is so many other ways other than just horror films .. used in advertising, and kids shows, etc ... it really does distract from the overall impact as a creature of cinematic horror.

not to mention the disservice that has been done to the vampire legend by a lot of god awful films that have been made. (even at least 2 pornos !)

thirdly .. we know the story .. we all know the story. we know what they are - where they came from, how to kill them, what they do ...

I just cant see anything moving forward that will bring something new to the table ... what we need is some new monsters !

hammerfan

07-12-2006, 12:31 PM

Of course the Hammer films are my favorites - I was taken by surprise that someone brought up Langella.

You're definitely right in that the vampire theme has been overdone. I also would like to see something fresh and new.

I'd love to know what the documentary is that you have. Sounds like something I'd like to watch.

PR3SSUR3

07-12-2006, 12:33 PM

I like the sequence beneath the coffin of the dead girl, who makes an ugly appearance in the catacomb calling out 'Papa!' with those ghastly eyes and outstretched hands.

Kurt Barlow in Salem's Lot is one of the most memorable head vampires, and is expertly delivered by Tobe Hooper in the film to provide maximum jolts every time he appears - all growling and hissing and terrible rat-teeth. When he is allowed more screen-time in the Petries' kitchen he doesn't seem quite so scary (bit of an odd blue head in my copy), but what about those jail and cellar sequences, and even the violently-smashed-open crate where we don't even need to see this monster to know he means serious business. When Barlow appears, he certainly does not disappoint.

Also, I like Zoltan: Hound of Dracula.

urgeok

07-12-2006, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by hammerfan
Of course the Hammer films are my favorites - I was taken by surprise that someone brought up Langella.

You're definitely right in that the vampire theme has been overdone. I also would like to see something fresh and new.

I'd love to know what the documentary is that you have. Sounds like something I'd like to watch.

it'll be a bitch to find .. its on a beta tape with a couple of other horror docs a guy gave me years ago ..
(its buried among about 1000 beta tapes)

if i come across it i'll copy it to DVD ... i do remember the quality being pretty bad but still watchable ...

hammerfan

07-12-2006, 12:41 PM

Aren't they always? I can always count on you to have obscure and hard-to-find items! :p

crazy raplh

07-12-2006, 12:44 PM

i like fright night

ManchestrMorgue

07-12-2006, 02:05 PM

Count Yorga, Vampire; and the Return of Count Yorga were also enjoyable vampire movies. The second was played a little more for laughs than the first but still a good film. Very 70's in their presentation.

The_Return

07-12-2006, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by urgeok
what we need is some new monsters !

Jeepers Creepers and The Bone Snatcher come to mind as some recent atempts at new monsters. Both were very well done IMO.

CHRIS24

07-12-2006, 04:30 PM

Yeah you guys are right Dracula has been done to many times and when I think about all the battles hes had with numerous mosters even going back to the days of the 40's with house dracula and house of frankenstein, even the worst piece of dog crap frankenstein vs. Dracula, He has faced pretty much every monster in a battle on screen. Thrown into dumb movie plots and killed billions of times. Ya know what would be cool to go off of subject a bit would be to have hammer films to come out with something new that would be pretty cool and nostalgic.