The Presedntial Election 2008 Thread

[bwind22]

I'm sort of bored and for no particular reason I was thinking about who could potentially be replacing our current president in 2008. I'm sure I'll leave out several potential candidates in my inital list, but here are who I think are the frontrunners for nomination....

Republican
George Allen (Senator, Virginia)
Jeb Bush (Governor, Florida)
Elizabeth Dole (Senator, North Carolina)
Rudy Giuliani (Former Mayor, New York City)
Charles Grassley (Senator, Iowa)
John McCain (Senator, Arizona)
George Pataki (Governor, New York)
Colin Powell (Former Sec. of State)
Mit Romney (Governor, Massachusettes)
Rick Santorum (Senator, Pennsylvania)
Condoleeza Rice (Secretary of State)

Democrat
Evan Bayh (Senator, Indiana)
Rod Blagojevich (Governor, Illinois)
Wes Clark (NATO Allied Commander)
Hillary Clinton (Senator, New York)
Howard Dean (Fromer Governor, Vermont)
Mike Easly (Governor, North Carolina)
John Edwards (Former Senator,North Carolina )
Al Gore (Former Vice President)
John Kerry (Seantor, Massachusettes)
Blanche Lincoln (Senator, Arkansas)
Barrack Obama (Senator, Illinois)
Nancy Pelosi (House of Rep., California)
Tom Vilsack (Governor, Iowa)
Mark Warner (Governor, Virginia)




The odds are that our next president is on one of those two lists. Personally, I would be on my way to Canada if it came down to Jeb Bush vs. Hillary Clinton, but unfortunately that seems the most likely at this early point. I'm really hoping to see Giuliani & Obama win the nominations, but Obama is a relative newcomer and going up against democratic powerhouses like Hillary Clinton, Al Gore & John Kerry might be too big of a mountain to overcome. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for him in 2012 though for sure!

Anyways, what are everyone's thoughts?

[Dante'sInferno]

Originally posted by bwind22
I'm sort of bored and for no particular reason I was thinking about who could potentially be replacing our current president in 2008. I'm sure I'll leave out several potential candidates in my inital list, but here are who I think are the frontrunners for nomination....

Republican
George Allen (Senator, Virginia)
Jeb Bush (Governor, Florida)
Elizabeth Dole (Senator, North Carolina)
Rudy Giuliani (Former Mayor, New York City)
Charles Grassley (Senator, Iowa)
John McCain (Senator, Arizona)
George Pataki (Governor, New York)
Colin Powell (Former Sec. of State)
Mit Romney (Governor, Massachusettes)
Rick Santorum (Senator, Pennsylvania)
Condoleeza Rice (Secretary of State)

Democrat
Evan Bayh (Senator, Indiana)
Rod Blagojevich (Governor, Illinois)
Wes Clark (NATO Allied Commander)
Hillary Clinton (Senator, New York)
Howard Dean (Fromer Governor, Vermont)
Mike Easly (Governor, North Carolina)
John Edwards (Former Senator,North Carolina )
Al Gore (Former Vice President)
John Kerry (Seantor, Massachusettes)
Blanche Lincoln (Senator, Arkansas)
Barrack Obama (Senator, Illinois)
Nancy Pelosi (House of Rep., California)
Tom Vilsack (Governor, Iowa)
Mark Warner (Governor, Virginia)




The odds are that our next president is on one of those two lists. Personally, I would be one my way to Canada if it came down to Jeb Bush vs. Hillary Clinton, but unfortunately that seems the most likely at this early point. I'm really hoping to see Giuliani & Obama win the nominations, but Obama is a relative newcomer and going up against democratic powerhouses like Hillary Clinton, Al Gore & John Kerry might be too big of a mountain to overcome. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for him in 2012 though for sure!

Anyways, what are everyone's thoughts? What is the difference between a Democrat and a Republican?

[VampiricClown]

Originally posted by Dante'sInferno
What is the difference between a Democrat and a Republican?

Good Question.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Dante'sInferno
What is the difference between a Democrat and a Republican?


Republicans like to give tax relief to the rich people & Democrats like to raise taxes and give it to the poor people. Either way, the middle class gets hosed.

On other issues, republicans tend to be more conservative whereas democrats are more liberal.


Obviously the differences are more technical than that, but that's a brief paraphrasing.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
Good Question.

Oh, did he mean that sarcastically?

[VampiricClown]

Originally posted by bwind22
Oh, did he mean that sarcastically?

I don't know. I wanted to know. lol, My parents never keep up with the elections, so I never asked. But I wanted to know too. :)

[bwind22]

The general idea of the presidential elections is for all of "little people" to elect one person that couldnt give a rat's ass about us individuals to lead us for the next 4 years.


Here's a little bit more specific list of their views on issues (in general)....


Abortion - Republicans are against, democrats are for
Gay marriage - Republicans are against, democrats are for
Gun Control - Republicans are for, democrats are against
Death Penalty - Republicans are for, democrats are against
Military spending - Republicans boost it, democrats cut it
Taxes - Republicans give cuts to the rich, democrats raise taxes & give more to the poor



I guess that's the general breakdown. Of course there are exceptions to those general rules of thumb though. Did I skip any major issues?

[Dante'sInferno]

Originally posted by bwind22
The general idea of the presidential elections is for all of "little people" to elect one person that couldnt give a rat's ass about us individuals to lead us for the next 4 years.


Here's a little bit more specific list of their views on issues (in general)....


Abortion - Republicans are against, democrats are for
Gay marriage - Republicans are against, democrats are for
Gun Control - Republicans are for, democrats are against
Death Penalty - Republicans are for, democrats are against
Military spending - Republicans boost it, democrats cut it
Taxes - Republicans give cuts to the rich, democrats raise taxes & give more to the poor



I guess that's the general breakdown. Of course there are exceptions to those general rules of thumb though. Did I skip any major issues? Which are you?Eh...i would be a Republican..

[VampiricClown]

That makes it hard, because I agree and disagree with both. Maybe I should stay out of the voting. I don't think it makes any difference either. When Kerry had more votes than Bush, and Bush won because of the electorial votes, that proves that us ants have no real say so in the matter.

[Angelakillsluts]

Originally posted by bwind22
I'm sort of bored and for no particular reason I was thinking about who could potentially be replacing our current president in 2008. I'm sure I'll leave out several potential candidates in my inital list, but here are who I think are the frontrunners for nomination....

Republican
George Allen (Senator, Virginia)
Jeb Bush (Governor, Florida)
Elizabeth Dole (Senator, North Carolina)
Rudy Giuliani (Former Mayor, New York City)
Charles Grassley (Senator, Iowa)
John McCain (Senator, Arizona)
George Pataki (Governor, New York)
Colin Powell (Former Sec. of State)
Mit Romney (Governor, Massachusettes)
Rick Santorum (Senator, Pennsylvania)
Condoleeza Rice (Secretary of State)

Democrat
Evan Bayh (Senator, Indiana)
Rod Blagojevich (Governor, Illinois)
Wes Clark (NATO Allied Commander)
Hillary Clinton (Senator, New York)
Howard Dean (Fromer Governor, Vermont)
Mike Easly (Governor, North Carolina)
John Edwards (Former Senator,North Carolina )
Al Gore (Former Vice President)
John Kerry (Seantor, Massachusettes)
Blanche Lincoln (Senator, Arkansas)
Barrack Obama (Senator, Illinois)
Nancy Pelosi (House of Rep., California)
Tom Vilsack (Governor, Iowa)
Mark Warner (Governor, Virginia)




The odds are that our next president is on one of those two lists. Personally, I would be on my way to Canada if it came down to Jeb Bush vs. Hillary Clinton, but unfortunately that seems the most likely at this early point. I'm really hoping to see Giuliani & Obama win the nominations, but Obama is a relative newcomer and going up against democratic powerhouses like Hillary Clinton, Al Gore & John Kerry might be too big of a mountain to overcome. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for him in 2012 though for sure!

Anyways, what are everyone's thoughts?

Jeb Bush becomes president I will move aswell. Rudy Giuliani would be nice, everyone loves him and he actually seems pretty sane. :D

[Dante'sInferno]

If he becomes president again.




I'm moving to Japan.

[bwind22]

Well, I basically don't associate myself with either party because to me, even though they are labeled as 2 seperate parties, I view them all as the same thing... Greedy politicians.

On the issues, I tend to lean a little more to the right (conservative, republican side) than the left (liberal, democratic side) but that's not to say I am thrilled with or support every Republican.


Instead, I tend to look at the individual & try to determine whether or not they seem trustworthy.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Dante'sInferno
If he becomes president again.




I'm moving to Japan.

No, no.. George Bush cant be President again. He's done in 08. That's a sure thing.

The post above yours was refering to his brother, Jeb Bush.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
That makes it hard, because I agree and disagree with both. Maybe I should stay out of the voting. I don't think it makes any difference either. When Kerry had more votes than Bush, and Bush won because of the electorial votes, that proves that us ants have no real say so in the matter.

Yeah, the electoral college method of voting is FUCKED! I live in a state that is always, always, always democratic. Even when when Reagan won in his landslide victory, Minnesota was the ONLY state to vote democratic, so yeah, if I were to vote republican, it's a total waste of time.

The entire system needs a major overhaul.

What they should do is break it down proportionately. Say a state has 10 EC votes and 60% of the state votes democrat and 40% votes republican. 6 of those EC votes should go to the democrat, 4 to the republican. This all or nothing system we are currently using is totally stupid.

[Dante'sInferno]

Originally posted by bwind22
No, no.. George Bush cant be President again. He's done in 08. That's a sure thing.

The post above yours was refering to his brother, Jeb Bush. Oh..




But you know what they say,it run's in the family.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Dante'sInferno
Oh..




But you know what they say,it run's in the family.

Well, chew on this for a few minutes....



George Bush Sr. 1988-1992
Bill Clinton 1992-2000
George Bush Jr 2000-2008

And if it ends up being Jeb Bush vs. Hillary Clinton, then it's another 4-8 years.

In all, that will be 24-28 years of the same 2 families running this country (in to the ground)!

Just say 'No' to Jeb & Hillary.

[Dante'sInferno]

Originally posted by bwind22
Well, chew on this for a few minutes....



George Bush Sr. 1988-1992
Bill Clinton 1992-2000
George Bush Jr 2000-2008

And if it ends up being Jeb Bush vs. Hillary Clinton, then it's another 4-8 years.

In all, that will be 24-28 years of the same 2 families running this country (in to the ground)!

Just say 'No' to Jeb & Hillary. Yeah!

[tonemeister]

well i would love to see giuliani run but i think his health would be an issue. hillary? i would vote for a woman but not her....just can't stand her, so many better choices out there. kerry? wasn't smart enough to beat bush....lost respect for him. al gore.......lol. jeb bush? don't think he'll run......really, really, hope he doesn't. both parties get there money from the same corporations so their both full of shit to me.......would love to see more third and fouth party candidates have more of a shot. some countries have 6 and seven parties. we who are the home of the free seem to squash anyone who isn't republican or democrat and that's just sad.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by tonemeister
well i would love to see giuliani run but i think his health would be an issue. hillary? i would vote for a woman but not her....just can't stand her, so many better choices out there. kerry? wasn't smart enough to beat bush....lost respect for him. al gore.......lol. jeb bush? don't think he'll run......really, really, hope he doesn't. both parties get there money from the same corporations so their both full of shit to me.......would love to see more third and fouth party candidates have more of a shot. some countries have 6 and seven parties. we who are the home of the free seem to squash anyone who isn't republican or democrat and that's just sad.

Well, I almost totally agree with you. Except that we, the people, don't squash 3rd party hopes. The Democrats & Republicans are the ones that squash any hopes of ever seeing a viable 3rd party candidate, let alone a 4th, 5th or 6th, because as much as they dislike each other, they aren't stupid. They realize that more parties means less control for them (both parties, collectively & individually).

Just listen to Ralph Nader talk about it some time. He knows first hand how good of a job they can do at squashing a 3rd party candidates efforts.

The only way we'll ever see a third party as a viable option will be if it's someone rich enough to fund their own campaign (like Ross Perot did) because none of the other parties are able to fundraise enough money to even get television ads, let alone any sort of national attention.

[yourlastmistake]

I'm sick and tired of both parties. The Dems are too damn liberal and want a socialist America. The Republicans have no back bone and seem to be concerned with only the rich. In the end both parties only care about the vote and keeping their overpaid jobs and not concerned with doing whats best for the country. If people really want a change now is the time. I'm voting Libertarian in 2008. F the Democrats and Republicans.

[The Flayed One]

Originally posted by bwind22
Well, I almost totally agree with you. Except that we, the people, don't squash 3rd party hopes. The Democrats & Republicans are the ones that squash any hopes of ever seeing a viable 3rd party candidate, let alone a 4th, 5th or 6th, because as much as they dislike each other, they aren't stupid. They realize that more parties means less control for them (both parties, collectively & individually).

Just listen to Ralph Nader talk about it some time. He knows first hand how good of a job they can do at squashing a 3rd party candidates efforts.

The only way we'll ever see a third party as a viable option will be if it's someone rich enough to fund their own campaign (like Ross Perot did) because none of the other parties are able to fundraise enough money to even get television ads, let alone any sort of national attention.

I couldn't have stated it better. Third party candidated hardly ever get invited to debates. As a matter of fact, I don't think any of them ever do. The only reason we got to see Perot at a debate is as you said: he had enough money to do it by himself.

Interesting to note: the only third party candidate to ever win a state was Teddy Roosevelt (who had already been president) when he ran with the Bull-Moose party against WH Taft. All it really did was split the Republican vote and handed the election to Woodrow Wilson.

I tend to lean more to the left, but I disagree with too much from both sides to really have an affiliation. If it is Bush vs. Clinton in 2008, that's probably the only scenario I won't register to vote for. That will make three elections in a row that I haven't been willing to vote for the lesser of two evils.

[scaryminda15]

not to change the subject but i think ill make a great president.:D

[noctuary]

When you cast your vote in 2008, you have to ask yourself the following, very important question:

"Which multi-billionaire better represents MY interests?"

[The STE]

presidential elections are futile, as they have no baring on my standing as Emperor of the United States

[AmericanManiac]

Originally posted by Angelakillsluts
Jeb Bush becomes president I will move aswell. Rudy Giuliani would be nice, everyone loves him and he actually seems pretty sane. :D

I totally agree I think he would do a great job, he handled 9.11 very well. I would love to see him run for president.

Also Gore has a new film out about global warming, he has brought up some intresting facts that we should work on. If anyone is intrested you can check it out on cnn.com under Anderson Cooper 360.

[Miss Olivia]

My views are:
I think marijuana should be legalized and more money spent on treatment for NON-VIOLENT drug offenders, whatever they're on...
I think abortion should be legal but more controlled...I understand that people make mistakes and there are a lot of unwanted kids in the world, but at the same time I think that women who use abortion as a form of birth control should have it mandatorily sewed shut...
I think gay marriage should be legalized, if they love each other and aren't hurting anyone, then what's the big frickin deal?
I think healthcare is a fermenting cesspool where lives are overrruled in favor of profit...
And last but not least, I think all american citizens should be allotted two free government issued tickets to disneyland upon completion of high school.....Hey....makes more sense than some of the crap taxpayers dollars are spent on....5,000 toilet seats, anyone?
Anyway, there's my two measly cents. Spend or ignore as is your god-given right:)

[Miss Olivia]

And the 5,000 above was in reference to dollars not numbers...I don't think those poor government workers should have to perch on bare porcelain or even worse, fall in....

[tonemeister]

Originally posted by Miss Olivia
My views are:
I think marijuana should be legalized and more money spent on treatment for NON-VIOLENT drug offenders, whatever they're on...
I think abortion should be legal but more controlled...I understand that people make mistakes and there are a lot of unwanted kids in the world, but at the same time I think that women who use abortion as a form of birth control should have it mandatorily sewed shut...
I think gay marriage should be legalized, if they love each other and aren't hurting anyone, then what's the big frickin deal?
I think healthcare is a fermenting cesspool where lives are overrruled in favor of profit...
And last but not least, I think all american citizens should be allotted two free government issued tickets to disneyland upon completion of high school.....Hey....makes more sense than some of the crap taxpayers dollars are spent on....5,000 toilet seats, anyone?
Anyway, there's my two measly cents. Spend or ignore as is your god-given right:)

well said :)

[VampiricClown]

Originally posted by bwind22
Yeah, the electoral college method of voting is FUCKED! I live in a state that is always, always, always democratic. Even when when Reagan won in his landslide victory, Minnesota was the ONLY state to vote democratic, so yeah, if I were to vote republican, it's a total waste of time.

The entire system needs a major overhaul.

What they should do is break it down proportionately. Say a state has 10 EC votes and 60% of the state votes democrat and 40% votes republican. 6 of those EC votes should go to the democrat, 4 to the republican. This all or nothing system we are currently using is totally stupid.

Something that we finally agree on. Hard to believe it was with presidential stuff though.

This is why I will not vote. The votes of the people do not count. It's whoever the electorial college chooses and who the government wants. We're just pawns...

[Haunted]

I'm liberal, but I have a brain. There are things worth fighting for, and there are issues that are dumb. I happen to like Hillary Clinton, always have. She's a tough broad... maybe she doesn't always think first, but she's a tough broad and smart too.

I like John McCain because he's a conservative with a brain. He fights for issues worth fighting for, and not for the ones that are dumb. I've always liked John McCain. If he were to run against a Democrat who happened to be an idiot like Howard Dean, I'd vote for McCain. Hands down.

I live in NC, and I can say that you really don't have anything to fear from Mike Easley, because nobody in their right mind would put him on the ticket. He's a retard with a capital R. Nobody in NC likes him very much and even the Democrats are still trying to figure out who voted for him.

Al Gore has already stated that he has no interest what so ever in running for President again. His interest is in politicking for the environment, which I do happen to admire. That should be an important stand on either party's ticket, because the clock is ticking for this planet's tolerance of human beings. The 13th hour draweth nigh, and I'm not being radical.

I will go see Gore's documentary.

[Posher778]

Originally posted by Dante'sInferno
What is the difference between a Democrat and a Republican?

Democrats will complain either way which side gets the prez, and republicans just complain about the complaints from the democrats. :p

[The STE]

vote Libertarian (not that it'll do any good, I'll still be emperor)

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by VampiricClown


This is why I will not vote. The votes of the people do not count. It's whoever the electorial college chooses


You know the electoral college(which I think is stupid) votes are decided by the percentage of votes a certain party recieves from any given state.

[The_Return]

Damn I love Canada:)

...even though it's been said that Stephen Harper is turning in to "mini-Bush".

[Tat2]

For years, I would vote for the PERSON who I thought would do best. Unfortunately, I learned the hard way that it dosent matter as far as the president goes...you gotta vote party.

It is simple...

Republican = Take care of the rich, and screw the working class.

Democrat = tax everyone, but keep the working class afloat.

Unfortunately, Independents don't mean a thing, because if they are not supported by a party, their beliefs aren't shit! That is wrong.

Lets give a round of applause to Bush and his money grubbing oil tainted hands.... I hope his fuckin' liver falls out of his asshole...the bitch!

[Haunted]

Originally posted by The_Return
Damn I love Canada:)

...even though it's been said that Stephen Harper is turning in to "mini-Bush".

Ahem...*blows on pitch pipe*

"Blame Canada, shame on Canada, for the smut we must stuff the
trash we must stash the laughter and fuck must all be undone we must blame them the cause of fuss before somebody thinks of blaming us!"