a bit foolish im sure...

[October]

the crucible is on tv. It makes me sad. how do people get so hysterical. i think it will be soon that there will be a second comming of the buring times. it really scares me.

[newb]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/rockinmule/skeltkb.gif

[Posher778]

Hahahahaaa

[Haunted]

No. She's got a point. Look at Iran. Theocracy. Bad things happen when theocracies pop up. You better hope that doesn't happen here, because everyone on this board is in deep shit.

[October]

its comming. and im going to die.

why.
why am i watching this? im going to cry. this is so depressing.

the way people look at me. they way they talk about god. im not a satan worshiper. im not a bad person. why do they look at me like i killed thier first born. like im the most cripplingly sickening thing they had ever seen?

[Posher778]

Chill.

[Haunted]

Sounds like someone lives in the South. I went through that as a youngin.' Fuck 'em. They don't count.

Nobody is going to hurt you. We aren't that bad off. You probably won't see a theocracy in the US in our lifetime. Don't worry.

[newb]

Originally posted by October
its comming. and im going to die.

why.
why am i watching this? im going to cry. this is so depressing.

the way people look at me. they way they talk about god. im not a satan worshiper. im not a bad person. why do they look at me like i killed thier first born. like im the most cripplingly sickening thing they had ever seen?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/kids/2004/06/images/big_cookie.jpg

Have a cookie....it always works for me.

[October]

i live in arizona.
and i beleive it will be comming sooner then you think.

[October]

thank you for the cookie!:)

[newb]

Originally posted by October
thank you for the cookie!:)

No prob......here's some milk to go with it.
http://www.dairycheq.com/resources/glass_milk.jpg


I hope you're not lactose intolerant....it could make you fart.

[October]

nice!

[stubbornforgey]

what the whose coming from where n HUH??

[noctuary]

Originally posted by October
its comming. and im going to die.

why.
why am i watching this? im going to cry. this is so depressing.

the way people look at me. they way they talk about god. im not a satan worshiper. im not a bad person. why do they look at me like i killed thier first born. like im the most cripplingly sickening thing they had ever seen?
I'm going to break my moratorium on the General forum just to respond to this... Why is that people automatically equate Satanism with "evil?" People seem to cling to an outmoded concept of medieval "devil worship" (which doesn't actually exist, by the way) without bothering to learn what Satanism truly is. I'd be willing to bet that more than a few of you reading this currently live by Satanic principles, you just don't know it yet. Check out the official Church of Satan website if you want to learn about the real deal.

Note: I'm not a member, and I never have been. I can get behind their beliefs, but for one thing, the ritual aspect loses me, and I've just never been the joining-in type.

[Despare]

Originally posted by noctuary
concept of medieval "devil worship" (which doesn't actually exist, by the way)

You're saying that it doesn't exist even within small circles of individuals who practice it on their own with no real knowledge in "Satanism"? I don't agree with you there. If somebody believes in Satan and worships him as the dark lord then they are inherently evil because the being they worship is the lord of evil correct? It doesn't matter what they do because they, in essence, worship evil. I think what isn't clear there is the definition of evil and what it really is to people. Just an opinion I guess, but the whole "devil worship" concept is there and it does exist although the people who participate that I've known are idiots who would do the things they do no matter what the cause. They simply use the devil as a justification of their stupidity. Mind the typos, I'm tired.

[Tat2]

Yes...there are true "devil Worshipers" I know one. An older guy with an above average intelligence level. IMO.

Noctuary is correct though in that Satanism is very, very different from devil worshipping...and yes...many of us, either consiously or subconsiously walk in line with it...from the understanding I get from information that I have read, anyway.

In a nut shell, and keeping it EXTREMELY basic, Satanism boils down to this, (again, only from information that I have came across):
"Take care of yourself and your needs/wants first, everyone else is secondary." The belief in looking out for number one and to hell with numbers 2, 3 ,4 etc... Now I could be off a bit here, it's been a few years since I was looking at this information, but from what I can recall, thats basically it.

[noctuary]

Originally posted by Despare
You're saying that it doesn't exist even within small circles of individuals who practice it on their own with no real knowledge in "Satanism"? I don't agree with you there. If somebody believes in Satan and worships him as the dark lord then they are inherently evil because the being they worship is the lord of evil correct? It doesn't matter what they do because they, in essence, worship evil. I think what isn't clear there is the definition of evil and what it really is to people. Just an opinion I guess, but the whole "devil worship" concept is there and it does exist although the people who participate that I've known are idiots who would do the things they do no matter what the cause. They simply use the devil as a justification of their stupidity. Mind the typos, I'm tired.
No, you're right... There are a few random diabolists who do indeed believe in and worship Satan as an actual existent entity. From what I've seen though, these people tend to be former Christians who want to rebel and flirt with the dark side, as actual Satanism has no concept of any deity whatsoever. And you're also right in that these people tend to use this as an excuse to do whatever they want regardless of the consequences and say that they were merely performing the "Dark Lord's" will. I'm thinking of Richard Ramirez, etc. here.

[The Flayed One]

Originally posted by noctuary
No, you're right... There are a few random diabolists who do indeed believe in and worship Satan as an actual existent entity. From what I've seen though, these people tend to be former Christians who want to rebel and flirt with the dark side, as actual Satanism has no concept of any deity whatsoever. And you're also right in that these people tend to use this as an excuse to do whatever they want regardless of the consequences and say that they were merely performing the "Dark Lord's" will. I'm thinking of Richard Ramirez, etc. here.

Pretty much. That and the few teenagers that want to scare their classmates and pretend they're evil.

BTW, it's nice to actually see some people who are informed on Satanism. It does go a lot deeper than what could be conveyed without its own personal thread. Anyone care to start one?

[Haunted]

Three words: Temple of Sett

[October]

i wasnt trying to say anything about real satanists, i mean other peoples percpetion of satanists.
but they do kinda creep me out. i did some research once since i was getting called that alot. its just self worship. like they had said previously....

[insane78]

Chill out? Have a cookie? Newb, you out of your fuckin' mind? We have a guy in Dick Cheney, who just happens to be Vice president, and quite possibly the president in 2008(scary isn't it?) goin around shootin people in the face, we could be nuked by North Korea, Iran, India, Pakistan, or quite frankly any other country, and we've also got an idiot who runs the country based on things that God supposedly tells him, and we've got a shitload of preachers out there tellin us that the end of the world is coming very soon, and you want to tell me and everybody else to have a cookie and chill? I don't know what world you're livin' in, but this one right now is pretty damn scary.

[Haunted]

Don't yell at Newb, because I'd be willing to bet one of my thrice pierced ears that he's older than you, knows more than you about the political situation in this country, and still doesn't give a fuck. Hell, I'm a Witch, and I don't give a fuck.

When those bastards get uppity with me, I usually say, "All manner of magick aside, if you don't get out of my face, I'mma shove my broom up your ass!"

[SKOOFx]

Haunted.

You are def one of my fav members here.

[PR3SSUR3]

If Satanists want to be considered as nothing to do with evil, they should change the god damn name.

[Haunted]

You may actually have a point.

[SKOOFx]

fine haunted, ignore me.

i see..i see.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Despare
You're saying that it doesn't exist even within small circles of individuals who practice it on their own with no real knowledge in "Satanism"? I don't agree with you there. If somebody believes in Satan and worships him as the dark lord then they are inherently evil because the being they worship is the lord of evil correct? It doesn't matter what they do because they, in essence, worship evil. I think what isn't clear there is the definition of evil and what it really is to people. Just an opinion I guess, but the whole "devil worship" concept is there and it does exist although the people who participate that I've known are idiots who would do the things they do no matter what the cause. They simply use the devil as a justification of their stupidity. Mind the typos, I'm tired. Ummm...Satanism has nothing to do with the worship of Satan...The 'Satanists' that I know, don't even BELIEVE in Satan...

It's more like, just believing in yourself...Your own power, and abilities...Free will...The ability to change things by yourself, without the help of an 'unseen deity'....Stuff like that...

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
If Satanists want to be considered as nothing to do with evil, they should change the god damn name. Heh...Yeah...They DEFINITELY could do with a better name...

Maybe it comes from feeling like, if you don't believe in God, you must be evil.....Who knows?

[Haunted]

You're on it, Rayne. I think that was LeVey's whole point about society in the 60's and 70's suburban middle American blah blah. He was a camp. That's why in the 70's he and Micheal Aquino parted ways, and Aquino founded the Temple of Sett.

ToS is supposed to be this dark sorcerous society that does all the shit that Satanists are rumored to do. Most likely, they too are full of shit.


SKoof, you know I think you're precious. Don't be silly.

[bloodrayne]

OH...I also wanted to add:

A person who calls themself a 'Satanist' and claims to 'worship Satan'...Is a poser...And...A tard:rolleyes:




HAIL PRIEST WISE

Just one (very good) example...

[bloodrayne]

And another thing...Concerning religion...

I taught my kids that there are many different religions, any religion that they were interested in learning about, I discussed with them....I left it up to THEM to decide what religion (if any) to choose....Religion is a very personal thing, and they have minds, beliefs, and ideas of their own...

Seri chose to be a Christian (not the 'I'm better than you, anyone who doesn't believe what I believe is wrong, closed-minded, "pusher" type' )...

Alex hasn't decided yet...He's only 11...

I have also taught them not to be offended by other people's views of THEIR beliefs...And not to offend others because of others' beliefs...

We are ALL offended by the TV Evangelists...Not because they are Christian or Catholic or whatever, but because they (the majority of them) are greedy, materialistic, and full of themselves...Spending far more time begging people to send them money, than they do 'preaching'...Which completely goes against the doctrine that they are supposed to believe in and be 'teaching' others....Hypocrisy gains little respect