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Keyser_Soze
12-12-2003, 05:56 PM
Dave,
I really hate to call you out on this but I was just looking at your "review" on the TCM remake. When a filmmaker says 'Inspired' by a true story it could be anything....like the Donner Party story inspired someone to write a script about a group of bikers who go on a killing spree.
"Inspired by" ? I think you mean "Based on".
No, I meant inspired by. The reason I attacked that part so much is because they use it so loosely. From everything I read about the movie before hand, and the reports on the press releases that New Line put out, they were refering to the Gein case when they said inspired by, but they screwed up 3 major things when they did the movie (the original as well):
-didn't happen in Texas
-he didn't use a chainsaw
-he killed two people and just robbed a bunch of graves, hardly a massacre
Now, that is from the reports I have read about the Gein case itself. However, when they say inspired by and use small details from what they claim inspires their movie, no matter what the movie is, they should use more than what they used in this. I could say that the movie was inspired by a Hawaiian Island because it has people in (or on I mean) it who have heard of Texas and know what murder is. I'm still right by saying it was inspired by, but it leads you to believe that this is how the story went, which is what leads people to believe the story is true. That's my problem with that kind of advertising, just the fact that they try to push that it actually happened. However, they didn't go any where near as bad as the Blair Witch did. I saw a documentary on the Discovery Channel about how it actually happened. That's slightly...f'd up.
Based on usually tells the full story exactly how it happened while inspired doesn't, but in this type of marketing they are leading you to believe it is based on a true story, especially with their press kit full of crime photos, tissue samples, and the rest of their stuff.
meetthecreeper
12-13-2003, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by Dave
No, I meant inspired by. The reason I attacked that part so much is because they use it so loosely. From everything I read about the movie before hand, and the reports on the press releases that New Line put out, they were refering to the Gein case when they said inspired by, but they screwed up 3 major things when they did the movie (the original as well):
-didn't happen in Texas
-he didn't use a chainsaw
-he killed two people and just robbed a bunch of graves, hardly a massacre
Now, that is from the reports I have read about the Gein case itself. However, when they say inspired by and use small details from what they claim inspires their movie, no matter what the movie is, they should use more than what they used in this. I could say that the movie was inspired by a Hawaiian Island because it has people in (or on I mean) it who have heard of Texas and know what murder is. I'm still right by saying it was inspired by, but it leads you to believe that this is how the story went, which is what leads people to believe the story is true. That's my problem with that kind of advertising, just the fact that they try to push that it actually happened. However, they didn't go any where near as bad as the Blair Witch did. I saw a documentary on the Discovery Channel about how it actually happened. That's slightly...f'd up.
Based on usually tells the full story exactly how it happened while inspired doesn't, but in this type of marketing they are leading you to believe it is based on a true story, especially with their press kit full of crime photos, tissue samples, and the rest of their stuff.
Very Articulate Dave I agree I amof the opinion that this is what made the movie what it is today the original i mean.
Originally posted by meetthecreeper
Very Articulate Dave I agree I amof the opinion that this is what made the movie what it is today the original i mean.
Thanks. I think New Line went a bit further though, but I wasn't exactly..well...alive yet, to see the previews and commercials for the original. I own the original but I don't remember if they said that it was a true story or what not, but I know that people left the theater believing it was. But than again, most marketing is full of crap and do things just to make you go see what they are putting out, even if it missleads you.
SoUl SuRvIvOrS
12-14-2003, 12:22 AM
I agree with you Dave ...I noticed even here on the forum alot of discussion if it was a true story or not....I do believe this was after they watched the remake.....I LOVED THE ORIGINAL:D
Arioch
12-14-2003, 03:55 AM
. I think New Line went a bit further though, but I wasn't exactly..well...alive yet, to see the previews and commercials for the original. I own the original but I don't remember if they said that it was a true story or what not, but I know that people left the theater believing it was. But than again, most marketing is full of crap and do things just to make you go see what they are putting out, even if it missleads
i agree with just about every word of that. Dave your cool.
Keyser_Soze
12-14-2003, 08:03 PM
No offense, but that is the biggest bunch of horseshit I have read on here. You mean to tell me that there are some people on here who feel that TCM was real???? I am laughing my ass off. At the beginning of TCM there is a screen scroll that claims in 1973 this story happened.....guess what ....the movie was made in 73.
I still stand behind what I said before. "Inspired by" means that someone heard a story and decided to use one or one-thousand of the parts. This is not up for debate. It is a fact....plain and simple. I don't mean to be rude here, but what you're saying is asinine.
Plus you cannot , I repeat, CANNOT say that "they missed" anything. Tobe Hooper heard the story of Ed Gein from some of his relatives that lived near the city in Wisconsin where Gein lived. That story "inspired" him to write TCM. That is why it is "Inspired by".
I guess to you War of the Worlds was probably a terrible idea also. Your argument is not about wether or not the movie was good but that you feel you were mislead about it's trueness.
Way to go! You just proved reviews are not worth shit. Go see it for yourself.
Originally posted by Keyser_Soze
No offense, but that is the biggest bunch of horseshit I have read on here. You mean to tell me that there are some people on here who feel that TCM was real???? I am laughing my ass off. At the beginning of TCM there is a screen scroll that claims in 1973 this story happened.....guess what ....the movie was made in 73.
I still stand behind what I said before. "Inspired by" means that someone heard a story and decided to use one or one-thousand of the parts. This is not up for debate. It is a fact....plain and simple. I don't mean to be rude here, but what you're saying is asinine.
Plus you cannot , I repeat, CANNOT say that "they missed" anything. Tobe Hooper heard the story of Ed Gein from some of his relatives that lived near the city in Wisconsin where Gein lived. That story "inspired" him to write TCM. That is why it is "Inspired by".
I guess to you War of the Worlds was probably a terrible idea also. Your argument is not about wether or not the movie was good but that you feel you were mislead about it's trueness.
Way to go! You just proved reviews are not worth shit. Go see it for yourself.
Ok, so when you actually read what I wrote than you might understand that what I said was directed at the marketers and in this case New Line Cinema. When they marketed it as "Inspired By" and put out press kits with "evidence they obtained", they are trying to make you think it actually happened. What you said about them using part or one thousandth of a part of the story is just like what I said about saying it was inspired by Hawaiians because the movie had people in it. "Aliens" was inspired by a true story, the story of Henry Ford because he made a car that had metal in it and their ship was made of metal. My point was that they stretched and bent the idea, and than tried to push it like it was true. And yes, there are people who still think the movie was true. When it came out, loads of people believed it happened and to this day still do.
http://horror.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1968
Go down to Grappler5
My arguement was about the marketing in that case. The rest of my review was about the problems in the movie.
Keyser_Soze
12-15-2003, 05:24 AM
I still think you are full of it.
Aasiyan
12-15-2003, 08:56 AM
Yeah, I was surprised to find out how many people thought the movie was based on real events. It would have been scarier if it was a true story., but still good nontheless.
Originally posted by Keyser_Soze
I still think you are full of it.
And I still think you are illiterate.
Keyser_Soze
12-15-2003, 06:31 PM
What makes me "illiterate"? Is it that I think it is stupid to base the fact that you feel a movie is stupid on the marketing?
You have to have a suspension of disbelief when going to see a movie. I guess for someone as sophisticated as you that is a problem. You ever made a movie? Didn't think so. You give it a shot. See what you come up with in the horror genre. Maybe you can do it better than Carpenter or Hooper or Craven. Yeah right. "Those who can't make movies become critics." Ever heard of William Goldman? Probably not. Well he said that, and now talking to you, I get it.
Review this!
Originally posted by Keyser_Soze
What makes me "illiterate"? Is it that I think it is stupid to base the fact that you feel a movie is stupid on the marketing?
You have to have a suspension of disbelief when going to see a movie. I guess for someone as sophisticated as you that is a problem. You ever made a movie? Didn't think so. You give it a shot. See what you come up with in the horror genre. Maybe you can do it better than Carpenter or Hooper or Craven. Yeah right. "Those who can't make movies become critics." Ever heard of William Goldman? Probably not. Well he said that, and now talking to you, I get it.
Review this!
Anyone who says anything about a movie is a critic. The fact that you totally missed everything I explained about why I wrote what I wrote is why I said illiterate. I didn't say I thought the movie was stupid because of the marketing. I left a list of reasons that I didn't like the movie but you failed to see any of them. All you saw was the "Inspired by" part and left out the rest of the entire thing. According to what you are saying, I can only not like a movie if I'm a movie maker, otherwise I have to just accept everything I'm shown. I'm not allowed to question things in the movie. Clive Barker, Stephen King, Wes Craven...they have all been quoted with why they liked a movie. That makes them a critic as well.
FangoFan
12-15-2003, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by Dave
No, I meant inspired by. The reason I attacked that part so much is because they use it so loosely. From everything I read about the movie before hand, and the reports on the press releases that New Line put out, they were refering to the Gein case when they said inspired by, but they screwed up 3 major things when they did the movie (the original as well):
-didn't happen in Texas
-he didn't use a chainsaw
-he killed two people and just robbed a bunch of graves, hardly a massacre
Now, that is from the reports I have read about the Gein case itself. However, when they say inspired by and use small details from what they claim inspires their movie, no matter what the movie is, they should use more than what they used in this. I could say that the movie was inspired by a Hawaiian Island because it has people in (or on I mean) it who have heard of Texas and know what murder is. I'm still right by saying it was inspired by, but it leads you to believe that this is how the story went, which is what leads people to believe the story is true. That's my problem with that kind of advertising, just the fact that they try to push that it actually happened. However, they didn't go any where near as bad as the Blair Witch did. I saw a documentary on the Discovery Channel about how it actually happened. That's slightly...f'd up.
Based on usually tells the full story exactly how it happened while inspired doesn't, but in this type of marketing they are leading you to believe it is based on a true story, especially with their press kit full of crime photos, tissue samples, and the rest of their stuff.
I agree with this comment completely.
They tack on the 'Inspired by' tag-line to boost ticket sales.
It adds a mystique to the film I suppose.
Originally posted by FangoFan
I agree with this comment completely.
They tack on the 'Inspired by' tag-line to boost ticket sales.
It adds a mystique to the film I suppose.
I still can't believe they did the press kit evidence though...and no one asked, "where did they get the evidence?". When I read about that I couldn't believe it.
FangoFan
12-15-2003, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by Dave
Ok, so when you actually read what I wrote than you might understand that what I said was directed at the marketers and in this case New Line Cinema. When they marketed it as "Inspired By" and put out press kits with "evidence they obtained", they are trying to make you think it actually happened. What you said about them using part or one thousandth of a part of the story is just like what I said about saying it was inspired by Hawaiians because the movie had people in it. "Aliens" was inspired by a true story, the story of Henry Ford because he made a car that had metal in it and their ship was made of metal. My point was that they stretched and bent the idea, and than tried to push it like it was true. And yes, there are people who still think the movie was true. When it came out, loads of people believed it happened and to this day still do.
http://horror.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1968
Go down to Grappler5
My arguement was about the marketing in that case. The rest of my review was about the problems in the movie.
The same for The Exorcist or The Amittyville Horror. Movies that used the 'Based on a true story' tag-line. I have the The Excorcist novel by William Peter Blatty, he didn't mention about it being true.
Originally posted by FangoFan
The same for The Exorcist or The Amittyville Horror. Movies that used the 'Based on a true story' tag-line. I have the The Excorcist novel by William Peter Blatty, he didn't mention about it being true.
I just recently saw something about the Amittyville Horror on TLC or Discovery or something. They basically said that who ever wrote the book, based the book on the accounts of one guy with no evidence to back up anything that he claimed happened. They also said that after the movie came out, people started flocking to the house to steal even a brick. I duno about you, but I don't think I want even a piece of gravel from their driveway if that shit actually happened lol. They can keep their evil house to themselves haha. The Exorcist I heard was inspired by some boy who was exorcised but I'm not too clear on that one. However, the Amittyville one...if I hadn't see the thing on tv about it, I would have thought that the whole thing happened the way they said, especially since the box said "True Story" on it.
Ryan_Zombie
12-16-2003, 07:07 AM
Michael Bay(the procuder himself of TCM remake) said that he used the name 'TCM' for "...shock-value alone". So in all actuallity, this could have been called TCM5 or something. But I don't think it would have made as much money....do you? So for those of still great faith in the modern released horror film, I feel sorry for ya!~
Originally posted by Ryan_Zombie
Michael Bay(the procuder himself of TCM remake) said that he used the name 'TCM' for "...shock-value alone". So in all actuallity, this could have been called TCM5 or something. But I don't think it would have made as much money....do you? So for those of still great faith in the modern released horror film, I feel sorry for ya!~
A friend of mine read that some reviewer said the same thing actually, that it should have actually been TCM 5. I don't remember what the site is now that he got it from. I'll have to ask him so you can check it out. He said that no one would go see a "Texas Chainsaw Massacre 5" movie, but would be more likely to go see a remake which was probably why they did that.