Lets all raise a glass to Tookie.

[meetthecreeper]

Lets all raise a glass to a man whos redemption came about after writing childrens books on toilet paper.

What a pillar of the community.

RIH Tookie

and in the Grand scheme of things....

[Zero]

god i'm on a liberal rant today . . . but, i think the death penalty is total bs and tookie should not have been executed


now i'm going out and save some baby whales for jesus, or something

[newb]

In the immortal words of Queen


Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey, I’m gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust

[newb]

I'm pretty liberal myself but i just can't feel bad in this case.



On February 28, 1979, about 4 a.m., Williams and three friends got high and took two cars, a 12-gauge shotgun and a .22-caliber handgun to Pomona in search of a place to rob, according to court documents. They ended up at a 7-Eleven where Albert Owens, 26, was working the overnight shift, sweeping the parking lot.

The military veteran was a "redheaded, freckle-faced kid who had the biggest smile you wanted to see," according to his older brother, Wayne Owens, 55, of Olathe, Kansas.

Albert Owens said, "Take everything you want," says the now-retired prosecutor, Robert Martin, who remembers the case in detail.

Williams ordered Owens into a back room at gunpoint, shot out a security monitor, then ordered, "Get down on your knees, (expletive)," and shot him twice in the back, according to testimony. Williams "later laughed about it as he was eating his hamburger," Martin says.


Less than two weeks later, on March 11, Williams broke down the door at the Brookhaven Motel, ripping through four locks and shattering the molding, according to a prosecutor.

Killed were Yen-I Yang, 76; his wife, Tsai-Shai Yang, 63, and their visiting daughter, Yee-Chen Lin, 43. The Taiwanese immigrants were about to sell the business because the neighborhood had become too rough, Martin said.

[_Leatha_Face_]

**CHEERS**

[The STE]

In principle I'm for the death penalty, but in practice I'm not. Someone killed 3 people with a phillips head screwdriver, sure, take a phillips head screwdriver and kill him back. But the system with which we determine whether or not that person killed the people with the screwdriver is crap (see: Paradise Lost).

[Yellow Jacket]

I'm probably going to get smacked for this one, but who the fuck is Tookie?!

[stubbornforgey]

now thats justice for you..!!!

bring back the death penalty ..worldwide.
raise my glass to that fucker and all like him..
i would rather smash it across his face.

It pisses me off to the limit how the offenders over here get away with shit like this because theres no resonable source of punishment..a few years behind bars..
whoopee shit..!!
time off for good behaviour..
while the victims live a full life of terror and pain.
rot in hell you bastards..

[novakru]

Since I do not know the entire story ,and wouldn't ,even if 'versions' of the story were told to me, I cannot say whether or not he was guilty.
He claims he never killed,the court system said he did.
I am not going to take either side.

My opinion is that he shouldn't have died,but if guilty-stayed behind bars for the rest of his life.If you kill,you deserve to never have a life.Period.

My idea of Justice is: put them away,let them live the rest of their life with nothing except a small room,a bed,toilet and food pushed under the door.No TV,No books,No internet,No human contact whatsoever.Not even a window.
My idea of Justice is also being 100% sure they are the perpetrators.There can be no doubt.
I would hate a innocent,truly innocent person to suffer like that.
And let's face it,the judicial system fails more often than not,and the vitcims are the ones who pay-yet again.

I don't agree with the death penalty,but understand why ppl do.

[pinkfloyd45769]

Well, i look at the situation like this, an eye for an eye and the whole world will be blind.

[novakru]

Originally posted by pinkfloyd45769
Well, i look at the situation like this, an eye for an eye and the whole world will be blind.

I used to want public hangings to be reinstated.
I still joke these days that something like that would be a good idea for young thugs to witness.

But I really don't agree with the death penalty anymore, my heart is different now.

[Rawhead Rex]

Me likey the death penalty...

Me no give a fuck about Tookie's "reform".

[ItsAlive75]

Whatever, those kids still have to read his shitty books.

[meetthecreeper]

I am not really sure whether or not he did what he was accused of. My understanding is the evidence was pretty overwhelming.

Are justice system is dismal failure IMO. Our corrections system is even worse. If you break the law you should be punished not sent to some damn country club.

What we need to do is take people that cant fit in to society and put them in a Escape from New York type situation. Or better yet the Running Man.

Punishment should fit the crime, lets say you throw your kid against the wall and break his neck and he dies.

Here is your punishment. We strap your sorry ass to a wrecking ball and slam it into a building, see how you like it.:eek:

Seriously, make them sit in a room with pictures of their victims and nothing else and let them look at what they did for the rest of their lives.

but in the grand scheme of things.....

[Lorre]

I cannot stand those asshole actors/rappers out there who try and pull shit like they did with Tookie Williams. "It's an injustice!" Whatever! You know if it was Snoop Dog's kid, brother, sister or whoever he wouldn't be preaching about Tookie's reform. He would be getting all of his moron friends together to preach about how violence like this is unjustified. We would hear all about his family's suffering and blah, blah, blah...

[stubbornforgey]

heres a recent article in our paper..
understand that this is the 5th within the past few weeks..
before this ..an innocent old man ..out doing his shopping was stabbed to death by a robber who had been foiled..
2 days later ..another innocent man ..walking thru a scenic drive was whacked over the head with an axe..wrong place..wrong time..
a 14 yr old getting his kicks ..struggles with a rock and dumps it over the motorway bridge..smashing thru the windshield of an innocent man..killing him instantly..causing his passenger..(pregnant fiancee) to try and control the car before it smashed into the barriers.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10359884

[stubbornforgey]

and this one ...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10359866

[MoonLit Meadow]

My mom was telling me that Jamie Foxx was on T.V yesterday saying something like "You can't kill Tookie....it's my birthday today! Please don't kill Tookie on my birthday"....umm...WTF? Cause Jamie Foxx is the authority we should all be listening to in a case like this...besides which, I never knew J.F's birthday was a day to be honored with the utmost importance:rolleyes:

I'll try and forgive him, b/c he seems like a great actor/singer/all around good guy...but that comment was LAME.

[stubbornforgey]

yeah..its weird what them comedians find funny. :confused:

[MisterSadistro]

I don't care how many kid's books you've written, how you've found Jesus, how you've suddenly turned your life around, etc. Nothing is going to bring those people back. You want to set an example for not taking the paths in life you did ? Congratulations. You just set it. My personal belief in the death penalty is the only thing that seperates me from being considered a liberal.
CK

[stubbornforgey]

its weird how many ppl find jesus/god when they are being condemned..
this is just after saying..'the devil made me do it' plead insanity kinda thing.
'shrug'

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by stubbornforgey
its weird how many ppl find jesus/god when they are being condemned..

Yeah, but what if Jesus just has really shitty timing.

[MisterSadistro]

I think Jesus must be in jail since so many people seem to find him there :D
CK

[stubbornforgey]

LMFAO

[MoonLit Meadow]

Originally posted by MisterSadistro
I think Jesus must be in jail since so many people seem to find him there :D
CK


LOL. Good one.

[Despare]

I like the death penalty but I think it should be expanded to encompass severe sexual cases like childrape and such. I also think people should be killed in the same manner they killed somebody else. You keep somebody alive for months while cutting pieces off them with a hot knife then hey that's what happens to you. Or if it's too many people just shoot them in the legs, arms, stomache, chest, and then head.

In reality I just think we need to be tougher on real criminals.

[The STE]

Originally posted by Rawhead Rex
Me likey the death penalty...

Me no give a fuck about Tookie's "reform".

I hate "reform" in general. Wow, you now know that it was wrong to stab children to death with your dick? Wonderful, I'm happy for you, but you've still gotta fucking answer for it. If you're so reformed, you of all people should be wanting you to stay in jail or get the chair.

[The STE]

Originally posted by Despare
I like the death penalty but I think it should be expanded to encompass severe sexual cases like childrape and such. I also think people should be killed in the same manner they killed somebody else. You keep somebody alive for months while cutting pieces off them with a hot knife then hey that's what happens to you. Or if it's too many people just shoot them in the legs, arms, stomache, chest, and then head.

In reality I just think we need to be tougher on real criminals.

In cases of child rape, find someone to scale as big to them as they were to the kid, and rape him. Sure, in some cases that might be hard to do, but spend 20 minutes on the internet and you'll find that some guys are that fucking big.


Oh, and don't forget asshole business criminals.

[pinkfloyd45769]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
Yeah, but what if Jesus just has really shitty timing. ROTFLMFAO!!!!