If I don't remember it, it didn't happen.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Do you think it's right to be angry at someone for something they don't remember? Let's look at it on a larger scale than drunken shenanigans though. Let's say someone kills someone and genuinely can't remember it, is it right to punish them?

I mean you could say that the person is a danger to society and would probably kill again, but I mean he/she's not guilty of a crime in his/her reality. If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around to hear it, does it make sound?

If you were on trial for the murder of your best friend, you can't remember how or why you would kill your best friend. Do you deserve the same as any other murderer?

[Yellow Jacket]

Hmm... this is a hard one. From one stand point, you could be convicted because though you don't remember it, you still did the crime. On the other hand, well... I have no opinion for the other side. You did the crime, whether or not you remember it or not. That's like when you tell your girlfriend you didn't hear her mention to you *insert woman bitchy complaint her*, she still told you. You just didn't pay attention. So, yes, you could still be convicted of a crime even if you don't remember it.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally posted by Yellow Jacket
Hmm... this is a hard one. From one stand point, you could be convicted because though you don't remember it, you still did the crime. On the other hand, well... I have no opinion for the other side. You did the crime, whether or not you remember it or not. That's like when you tell your girlfriend you didn't hear her mention to you *insert woman bitchy complaint her*, she still told you. You just didn't pay attention. So, yes, you could still be convicted of a crime even if you don't remember it.

The question isn't could you be punished though. ;)

[novakru]

Most people assume anyone who has made it to trial is a liar anyway...so,I don't think a jury would buy it even if it was true.
Oh and a tree does make a noise no matter what.
But it doesn't make a noise if YOU don't hear it.
If someone was shot at 3pm and you didn't witness it,they were still shot at 3pm:D

[AUSTIN316426808]

I think it all depends on the situation. If it can be proven that it was a result of a mental illness then you should be put in a mental hospital. If it's proven to be ''crime of passion'' or temporary insanity then I guess the punishment should be slightly leanient. If it's proven to be self defense then you should get off. For any other reason, you should be killed.

[The STE]

Originally posted by novakru
Most people assume anyone who has made it to trial is a liar anyway...so,I don't think a jury would buy it even if it was true.
Oh and a tree does make a noise no matter what.
But it doesn't make a noise if YOU don't hear it.
If someone was shot at 3pm and you didn't witness it,they were still shot at 3pm:D

nope, 2pm. I'm in the Central time zone

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Why do none of these posts have to do with anything? :( I'm not asking your stance on murder.

I'll try another: No witnesses, one dead person and all the evidence to lock you away. You don't remember anything, nor do you know why you'd kill this person. DO you think you deserve the same punishment as any other murderer?

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally posted by novakru


If someone was shot at 3pm and you didn't witness it,they were still shot at 3pm:D

That's soooo not the same. :p

[AUSTIN316426808]

My post applies to the question...

you said ''enough evidence to put you away'',whatever the evidence proves you should get the same punishment as any other person would in that particular situation.

[IDrinkYourBlood]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
My post applies to the question. I secound this motion.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

no no no no no no no no no! :mad:

How could it be proven to be anything if there are no witnesses and you can't remember the incident? If something is proven to be a case of temporary insanity it's because a lawyer built this defense of his/her client on the clients claim. You have no idea what happened, so how can anyone determine what situation it falls under? No motive, no witnesses.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
My post applies to the question...

you said ''enough evidence to put you away'',whatever the evidence proves you should get the same punishment as any other person would in that particular situation.

OK sorry, I just saw this. Thank-you :p

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally posted by Yellow Jacket
Hmm... this is a hard one. From one stand point, you could be convicted because though you don't remember it, you still did the crime. On the other hand, well... I have no opinion for the other side. You did the crime, whether or not you remember it or not. That's like when you tell your girlfriend you didn't hear her mention to you *insert woman bitchy complaint her*, she still told you. You just didn't pay attention. So, yes, you could still be convicted of a crime even if you don't remember it.

What if she tells you when you're sleeping? She still told you. ;)

[Elvis_Christ]

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[stubbornforgey]

Sounds like your talking mental health issue...
or a sense of rage where everything just blacks out.
Should you be angry..??
Yes..cos no matter what the circumstances
or excuse.
..they still committed a crime against you and your own..
its not good enough that they can't remember..its like..the victim was not worthy enough to be remembered.
'stubborn shrugs'

[Zero]

one relevant question would be - 'what is the purpose of punishment?'

it seems to me there are three likely answers:

1) Retribution - this is society's way of getting revenge on a criminal - in this case the 'amnesiac criminal' deserves punishment because, in fairness, it isn't about her in the first place - but really about society's rights/obligation for retribution.

2) Example - this suggests that punishment is society's way of teaching good behavior to others - (and the reason some people want the death penalty as a deterrent). In this case I think its a toss up - if society wants to be 'zero tolerance' you should be punished, if they want to 'teach' rational mercy, the no.

3) Reform - in this case society uses punishment to correct an idndividuals bad behavior and reform their character. In this case, it seems to me, if you really had no memory of the crime or the reasons you committed murder, then no, you should not be punished.

[stubbornforgey]

I hate that blank stare..
see it all the time on the news over here.
The RSA killings..the dude ..sat in the dock with that blank stare with a huge smile on his face.
The kylie burrows murder assault..
the step dad who beat up his 5 yr old step child cos she didnt want to go to school..then dumped her body in a swamp area..
the blank look ..couldnt remember doing it cos he was high on 'P' and again...that smile.
Baby Bing..mother ..aunty..uncle..all the adults who were entrusted with her looking after her..
beaten cos she couldnt make it to the toilet n when she was having an obvious convulsion ..they tried to stop it by putting her in a hot bath!!
then they waited 15 hours before taking her to the hospital..by then.,.she was of course...dead.
Again the blank look..cos they were high on
'P'..and the fucking grin!!!

The fucked up part about all of that
is how they all protected eachother ..even the other relatives to this child..

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by Zero
In this case, it seems to me, if you really had no memory of the crime or the reasons you committed murder, then no, you should not be punished.


So if your wife cheated on you but didn't remember doing it nor any reason she had to do it you'd be ok with that?

[Zero]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
So if your wife cheated on you but didn't remember doing it nor any reason she had to do it you'd be ok with that?

actually if 'she' did something and 'I' remembered doing it - - - then I'd know that I was in the film High Tension. . . .LOL

[Inspector Abber]

if you did, you have to pay. Doesn't matter if you don't remember it. No excuse. you shouldn't be in the position that you don't remember it.

The payment should be appropriate. If you're mad, then you go into a lunatic asylum. If it's because of amnesia, then it's the slammer, because amnesia does not take away your sense of right and wrong.

Notwithstanding exceptions, as previously described, of course.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by Zero
actually if 'she' did something and 'I' remembered doing it - - - then I'd know that I was in the film High Tension. . . .LOL

:confused: whatever.

[Yellow Jacket]

Originally posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X
What if she tells you when you're sleeping? She still told you. ;)

That is true! Bad time to tell me (I'm a heavy sleeper), but still true. :p