Something I need to say....

[themerchant]

The other day, I was sitting in bed, trying to go to sleep but, something was on my mind. I just have to say this to sombody so just listen. I was starting to question mine, and everyone elses meaning on this planet, are wee all just here because of some series of event that lead to our creation or is there a speritual being that created us indevidualy, all diffrent, and now he cares for each and every one of us even after all the all-nighters he pulled created the billions of human being in the world....
Is there such thing as kindness, or all we all just to greed to sit down with fellow men and care, have feeling, and have the ability to creat a world without war and peace will be spread, can we all get along to reach a common goal...
If we die, do we go somewhere else or are we trapt in the ground to rot? Are we in hell now, and if we are, does the counteer part, heaven exist?.....
What is space, or the simple atom, are we an atom on some giant, superior creature, and do our atoms carry living things, and there atoms?....
Are we just doomed to walk around aimlessly or is there a reason we are here? Have we fuffilled any reoson for living, and we have, what is it?



DOSENT THIS BOTHER ANYONE ELSE?

[The Mothman]

i fucking hate thinking about that stuff. scares the living shit outta me. DONT THINK ABOUT IT! dont question it. youll never find out, so why try? this kinda shit has haunted me my whole life, but i have learned to ignore it. dont let it bother you. live it up. do crazy shit and have a fun life while it lasts.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by themerchant
The other day, I was sitting in bed, trying to go to sleep but, something was on my mind. I just have to say this to sombody so just listen. I was starting to question mine, and everyone elses meaning on this planet, are wee all just here because of some series of event that lead to our creation or is there a speritual being that created us indevidualy, all diffrent, and now he cares for each and every one of us even after all the all-nighters he pulled created the billions of human being in the world....
Is there such thing as kindness, or all we all just to greed to sit down with fellow men and care, have feeling, and have the ability to creat a world without war and peace will be spread, can we all get along to reach a common goal...
If we die, do we go somewhere else or are we trapt in the ground to rot? Are we in hell now, and if we are, does the counteer part, heaven exist?.....
What is space, or the simple atom, are we an atom on some giant, superior creature, and do our atoms carry living things, and there atoms?....
Are we just doomed to walk around aimlessly or is there a reason we are here? Have we fuffilled any reoson for living, and we have, what is it?



DOSENT THIS BOTHER ANYONE ELSE?

You weren't by any chance, tripping on any hallucinogens, were ya? Those tripping times are the only times I recall getting myself worked up thinking abot stuff like that, but by the end of the night a buddy and I had pretty much solved all of the world's problems and mysteries. (Obviously not really, but as far as we were concerned under the influence of potent drugs, we did.)

Anyways, the answers to all of your questions can be found inside the mescaline of a peyote plant or the psylociban of a magic mushroom. Not that I endorse drugs or anything...

[scouse mac]

Everybody is immortal in a sense. Energy that infuses every cell of our bodies cannot be created or destroyed and when you die it leaves and will at some point becomes part of something else. However, when it comes to being self-aware/conscience whatever, we're fucked when the time comes.......fade to black.

[Preacher]

You know what i've been thinkin lately......

'Will there ever be a child born that can swim faster than a shark?'

[no mulier]

Originally posted by bwind22
...the answers to all of your questions can be found inside the mescaline of a peyote plant or the psylociban of a magic mushroom.

You have a point there, bwind22. Appropriately, take Castaneda as an example. You don't need to read all his books to learn about an entirely different plane of existence. Beings existing in a world that we cannot perceive ordinarily. Our own perception of ourselves as mere flesh and spirit is overturned. And we question the validity of such claims.

The problem is that the experience is subjective. If I chewed on peyote, my experience would be altogether different from what he writes about. But the bottom line is, how do we know whether or not the experience is real?

There is also the issue of the person who experiences. The capacity to interpret, understand, and draw something profound and of value from the experience lies inside him/her.

My point merely being that if indeed our existence ends with death, then what is there to do but "live it up"? That's one way to look at it. To hell with everything, I'm just going to die anyway. So, I'll do as I please while I'm at it.

Once again, it's subjective. You decide what you do with your life. You can live it up, or you can create some meaning by choosing a path that has a heart.

If while hiking up a mountain, I'm tying my shoelaces and a boulder happens along to end my existence...I'm aware that I tied my laces deliberately, elegantly. The best way that I could.

Not the "elevated" analogy, I know. But it suffices in my opinion.

[Haunted]

Who fucking cares, as long as I don't have to do housework anymore.

[novakru]

I don't think anyone has the answers you need merchant.
But I do know that if you continue this line of thought,it can cause some serious depression.
You need to go do something for yourself-just you,that makes you happy right now.
And then you can tackle the 'why in the universe' questions.
I am really concerned when someone starts dwelling on this stuff because I started that when I was younger and it took 2 years to get out of that darkness.


And for your info-yes,there are good people out here.
We just get buried by all the shiney nasty people.

[meetthecreeper]

Originally posted by themerchant
The other day, I was sitting in bed, trying to go to sleep but, something was on my mind. I just have to say this to sombody so just listen. I was starting to question mine, and everyone elses meaning on this planet, are wee all just here because of some series of event that lead to our creation or is there a speritual being that created us indevidualy, all diffrent, and now he cares for each and every one of us even after all the all-nighters he pulled created the billions of human being in the world....
Is there such thing as kindness, or all we all just to greed to sit down with fellow men and care, have feeling, and have the ability to creat a world without war and peace will be spread, can we all get along to reach a common goal...
If we die, do we go somewhere else or are we trapt in the ground to rot? Are we in hell now, and if we are, does the counteer part, heaven exist?.....
What is space, or the simple atom, are we an atom on some giant, superior creature, and do our atoms carry living things, and there atoms?....
Are we just doomed to walk around aimlessly or is there a reason we are here? Have we fuffilled any reoson for living, and we have, what is it?



DOSENT THIS BOTHER ANYONE ELSE?

Watch M.I.B. the ending tells all.

[newb]

Originally posted by Preacher
You know what i've been thinkin lately......

'Will there ever be a child born that can swim faster than a shark?'

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@ merchant...Life is too short to contemplate shit like that....just enjoy the ride.:D

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by newb
Life is too short to contemplate shit like that....just enjoy the ride.:D


Too true... thinking about your life really fucks up your chances of enjoying it.

[Haunted]

Okay, I'm a well trained Witch ordained Priestess of The Morighan, and I should have something important to say. I'm also a Taoist, so having important things to say don't mean hot shit in the long run.

Life, okay, we're given life to live. You've got to move around in life. You can't just stop moving or you shouldn't just stop moving. Run, skip, hop, jog, or walk and don't stop until you've gone far beyond the horizon. "Gate (gu-tay) gate para gate para san gate bodisvatva." That means: Beyond, beyond, far beyond, far beyond Enlighenment.

This mantra fragment is to Kali Ma. The Goddess or Mother Principle goes beyond everything. If we're to play in Her image, then we must go beyond everything. Attatchments are illusions (maya), and the Goddess destroys maya.

Now...wake up!

[Cynner]

Merchant, good questions. Luckily for us there have been those that have spent their entire life trying to answer those. A good place to start is looking into what they have to say about the subject.

Ignorance will only lead to despair if you are sincerely questioning these issues and are unable to just "enjoy the ride". Regardless of what you read, whether you agree with it or not, you will better understand how to frame your questions and search for the answers.

Find some websites on philosophy, science and poetry. Pick up the names of some major contributors to each and start reading.

A good place to start (IMO)...
Joseph Campbell (The Power of Myth)
Stephen Hawking (A Brief History of Time)

~Cynner

ETA: Haunted reminded me.
The Tao of Pooh
Tao te Ching (sp?)

[meetthecreeper]

Ladies and Gentlemen of the class of '05, Wear sunscreen
If I could offer you only one tip for the future, sunscreen would be it.
The long-term benefits of sunscreen have been proved by scientists, whereas the rest of my advice has no basis more reliable than my own meandering experience.
I will dispense this advice now.
Enjoy the power and beauty of your youth, oh never mind, you will never understand the power and the beauty of your youth until they've faded. But trust me, in twenty years, you will look back at photos of yourself and recall in a way you can't grasp now, how much possibility lay before you and how fabulous you really looked. You are not as fat as you imagine. Don't worry about the future or worry that know that worrying is as affective as trying to solve an algebra equation by chewing bubble gum. The real troubles in your life are apt to be things that never crossed your worried mind. The kind that blindsides you at 4 PM on some idle Tuesday.
Do one thing every day that scares you.
Sing.
Don't be reckless with other peoples' hearts; don't put up with people who are reckless with yours. Floss.
Don't waste your time on jealously, sometimes you're ahead, sometimes you're behind.
The race is long and in the end, it's only with yourself.
Remember compliments you receive, forget the insults.
If you succeed in doing this, tell me how.
Keep your old love letters; throw away your old bank statements.
Stretch.
Don't feel guilty if you don't know what to do with your life. The most interesting people I know didn't know at 22 what they wanted to do with their lives, some of the most interesting 40-year-olds I know still don't.
Get plenty of calcium.
Be kind to knees, you'll miss them when they're gone.
Maybe you'll marry, maybe you won't.
Maybe you'll have children, maybe you won't.
Maybe you'll divorce at 40, maybe you'll dance the "Funky Chicken" on your 75th wedding anniversary.
Whatever you do, don't congratulate yourself too much or berate yourself either.
Your choices are half chance, so are everybody else's.
Enjoy your body.
Use it every way you can, don't be afraid of it or what other people think of it. It's the greatest instrument you'll ever own.
Dance.
Even if you have nowhere to do it but your own living room.
Read the directions even if you don't follow them.
Do not read beauty magazines, they will only make you feel ugly.


Get to know your parents.
You never know when they'll be gone for good.
Be nice to your siblings.
They are your best link to your past and the people most likely to stick with you in the future.
Understand that friends come and go.
But a precious few, who should hold on.
Work hard to bridge the gaps in geography and lifestyle, for as the older you get, the more you need the people you knew when you were young.
Live in New York City once, but leave before it makes you hard.
Live in northern California once, but leave before it makes you soft.
Travel.
Accept certain alible truths: prices will rise, politicians will philander, you too will get old and when you do, you'll fanaticise that when you were young, prices were reasonable, politicians were noble and children respected their elders.
Respect your elders.
Don't expect anyone else to support you.
Maybe you have a trust fund, maybe you'll have a wealthy spouse but you'll never know when either one will run out.
Don't mess too much with your hair or by the time you're forty, it will look eighty-five.
Be careful whose advice you buy, but be patient with those who supply it.
Advice is a form of nostalgia.
Dispensing it is a way of wishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling for more than it's worth.
But trust me on the sunscreen.

[pinkfloyd45769]

I havent read that for soooo long! It makes me sad for some reason!

[The Mothman]

Originally posted by newb


@ merchant...Life is too short to contemplate shit like that....just enjoy the ride.:D

fucking aye thats what I was saying. do crazy shit. live it up

[stubbornforgey]

After reading this over n over n over ..
cos thinking hurts my brain..i came to this conclusion..
Everybody thats been put on this earth ..has been put here for a reason .
(hang on will just stop this fucking annoying song).
Like heaven and hell..
example ..from the day we are born we are all preened for something constructive
so we can contribute to todays society..like the working ant..its like a ying and yang thing..ppl make cars..
cars need roads...roads need to be constructed..constructing needs planning.
Then we have those who beleive that they had been brainwashed so refuse to acknowledge thier existance or anybody elses lives are worthwhile so set about destroying the hard work of others.
We all leave our mark one way or the other.
I think once our worth has been all used up ..its time for us to go and move aside
for the next.
Your gonna say..'what about the babies who dont quite make it'...well i havent quite figured that one out yet but call me on 0800 angelspeaks n i should have an answer for you once i have had lunch with god..
'stubborn watches all these loony bastards dialing like crazy'

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by stubbornforgey
After reading this over n over n over ..
cos thinking hurts my brain..i came to this conclusion..
Everybody thats been put on this earth ..has been put here for a reason .
(hang on will just stop this fucking annoying song).
Like heaven and hell..
example ..from the day we are born we are all preened for something constructive
so we can contribute to todays society..like the working ant..its like a ying and yang thing..ppl make cars..
cars need roads...roads need to be constructed..constructing needs planning.
Then we have those who beleive that they had been brainwashed so refuse to acknowledge thier existance or anybody elses lives are worthwhile so set about destroying the hard work of others.
We all leave our mark one way or the other.
I think once our worth has been all used up ..its time for us to go and move aside
for the next.
Your gonna say..'what about the babies who dont quite make it'...well i havent quite figured that one out yet but call me on 0800 angelspeaks n i should have an answer for you once i have had lunch with god..
'stubborn watches all these loony bastards dialing like crazy'

Do you smoke weed a lot? I have some buddies that talk exactly like that.

[stubbornforgey]

unfortunately i have no excuse
..i don't either smoke or drink..no em not
health concious or nothing like that..
fuck dat' if it killed our greens party co' leader..
I say the 1st thing that comes to mind..

[themerchant]

An another thing, When you die, and then everyone you knew dies, then its like you never even existed. WHAT THE HELL MAN!

[stubbornforgey]

But thats my point right there..
we are put here to contribute so that
we can be remembered..whether it be through our offspring or by something we had said or done.
Its up to us as individuals to make our own mark in this world so that ppl will
look baack and say shit like..
ahhhhhhhhhhhh i remember stubborn...
she was the one that made no sense in
HDC forum.

All those ppl that are studied in our history
books left thier legacy one way or the other..
they are no different from you or i..
they just contributed more..

So basically..if you want to be remembered..
do something memorable :D

[themerchant]

yeah but, most people, really, nibdy hears about them. Its just th e fact that, we have a high probability of not being remembered. so, you know..... well, ive ran out of things to say

[cheebacheeba]

See...I used to worry and obssess about shit like this...
When you look at it my way, you'll see that the only bad part about death, is what those we leave behind have to go through in our abscense.
Here's the things I tell myself every time these thoughts about mortality come to mind
*In life, there's more bad than good IMO...so in death, you flush away more bad experiences and memories than good ones, sure, this doesn't make anything seem better, but, at least you shake off the negativity of life.
*If it is the "worst case scanario", and we just fade away into nothing, no cohesive thought, no memory, no "being", then at least we won't be around to give a fuck about it.
*You can't remember the time before you were conceived, right?
I'm guessing that you can't remember the time before you came into existence either...death must be pretty much just like that...and I personally have nothing to complain about during the time before I came into being, if death is just the same, no big thing. Maybe we have no memory of before we came into existence because we have ALWAYS been here, maybe we're eternal in the first place? I mean, NOBODY can remember coming into existence, right? Nobody. What are the odds of that?
*Think about it....absolutely nothing....impossible to comprehend, be it as an energy form dispersing across the galaxy, or some kind of residual consciousness, we simply must go on to...something...
*MAYBE, just MAYBE there's some fact to what many call "religion", I mean...when you look at it, a lot of them DO contain different versions of the same stories and messages.

AND AT #1: There's fuck-all you can do about it. All living things "perish", just do more right than wrong in life, and in death, if there is more than what our human minds are capable of perceiving, you'll be ok, and if there's not, again - you won't be around to give a fuck.

In closing, people should be good to eachother.
Have kids, they're part of you, so you've gotta be part of them, right?
Don't leave your family in debt, give more than you take, and if you only ever go on within the memories of others, make sure it'll reccollections that you were overall, a good person.
Death is not worth obssessing about, it only makes your life suck.
Ok, that's all I'm saying.

[stubbornforgey]

'standing ovation cheeba'

nicely put :D

[cheebacheeba]

Well Thankyou, I do try...*Takes a bow*

[Elvis_Christ]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
Do you smoke weed a lot? I have some buddies that talk exactly like that.

:D haha

Eat. Sleep. Breed. Die. :rolleyes:

[themerchant]

Originally posted by Elvis_Christ

Eat. Sleep. Breed. Die. :rolleyes: [/B]





Well, "Breed" if your lucky

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by Elvis_Christ
:D haha

Eat. Sleep. Breed. Die. :rolleyes:

You forgot spend.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by themerchant
yeah but, most people, really, nibdy hears about them. Its just th e fact that, we have a high probability of not being remembered. so, you know..... well, ive ran out of things to say

Then do something that won't be forgotten.

Do you think JFK or Martin Luther King or Ghandi or Neil Armstrong will ever be forgotten? Of course not.

Why not? Because they did something with their lives.

Do you think they sat around wasting their lives pondering things that can never truely be known? Or do you think they just went out there and did something remarkable?

What makes them any more special than you or me? The only difference between the people that are remembered and those that are forgotten is that the ones in the first group actually went out and did something worthy of remembering.


I'm not saying you have to go change the world (Although we could use it) but if being forgotten is one of your big fears (Which I think it pretty obviously is.) then just do something to be rememberded. Write a book, make a movie, get in to politics, have a kid, bury a time capsule... Any mark you can leave on this planet that will be here after you're gone will allow you to remembered for years to come.

[Elvis_Christ]

Originally posted by themerchant
Well, "Breed" if your lucky

:D

[Haunted]

Cheeba, you got me with the pondering the time before conception concept.:) That was pretty deep, and you know, I've never thought about it before. It makes you think. Some people think in boxes, others in circles. I think in spirals. Neat. Thanks for that explaination.

TM, nothing is permenant. Things are constantly in motion, dying, being reborn, and changing. It's the Death card in the tarot deck. It doesn't mean you're going to die, just change. It's all good, man. Just flow with it. Just flow.