Since there are a few wrestling fans here

[The STE]

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/eddieguerreropasses
WWE reported earlier that Eddie Guerrero died late last night/this morning
:( :( :(

[The STE]

the only time I've been this shocked about a wrestler dying that I can remember was when Owen died. It still hasn't fully sunk in yet...

[Haunted]

Damn, and I was coming over here to make fun of wrestling. Oops.

Sorry for your loss, guys.:( It's very sad when an known figure dies. I am SURE he will be missed.:(

[The STE]

EDIT: Nevermind, wrong date

[NECRO666]

That blows, he was a good wrestler that tottaly sux. R.I.P Eddie

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by trippin_the_rif
It's amazing how a majority of these agile individuals end up dying in a hotel room. You'd think they'd go doing what they love. So sad in any event.

It's a good place to overdose on drugs, apparently.

[The STE]

Except Eddie'd been ostensibly clean for years

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by The STE
Except Eddie'd been ostensibly clean for years

Never said anything directed at him. I was referring to trip's comment about athletes in general.

[The STE]

well, they could be indirectly responsible without it being an overdose

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051113/ap_en_tv/obit_guerrero
shite, he was only 38

[GorePhobia]

wow I am also completely shocked

[kpropain]

Steroids could have also played into it also...

[cheebacheeba]

I'm not a huge wrestling fan...I personally preferred the ol' WCW, but I have followed here and there. Guerrero was good, and always entertaining, to say the least.
Too bad his character went out as an asshole...
This is really unexpected, the guy looked totally fit. However, previous drug use can ALWAYS fuck you in the long run, especially when you exert yourself like he did. Ah well...R.I.P

[The STE]

Originally posted by cheebacheeba
Too bad his character went out as an asshole...

Owen Hart went out in much the same way (although Eddie was in the midst of a face turn before he died)

[Elvis_Christ]

Originally posted by trippin_the_rif
The last time I was this shocked was when Miss Elizabeth died.

No shit? I never heard about that.

That era of wrestling (late 80s early 90s) was awesome I was a huge fan.

[stubbornforgey]

holy shit ...miss elizabeth died ??
how long ago was that..??
I lost interest in wrestling when they chucked hulk hogan back in.

[crazy raplh]

damn that sucks

[The STE]

Raw and Smackdown will be tribute shows to Eddie. They taped them tonight, the matches will include Rey Mysterio Jr. vs. Shawn Michaels, Kurt Angle vs. Shelton Benjamin, and Ric Flair vs. William Regal, plus backstage interviews remembering Eddie. I don't know how they're going to divide up the matches, if they'll be on both Raw and SD or if Raw will have the matches and SD will show some of Eddie's matches

[Despare]

I watched the Eddie Guerrero story DVD the other day and it was really amazing how much he overcame... or I guess didn't but who knows. I hope he was clean.

[scottingraham]

A terrible loss for the wrestling world he will be missed! He was clean and had a change in life! :(

[The STE]

He had just told Chavo Jr. about how the 10th was his 4 year anniversary being clean the night before

[ThePhantom]

Wrestling will not be the same without Latino Heat. He was one of the best and will be missed alot

[bwind22]

He died 10 miles from my house. Both Raw and Smackdownm are in Minneapolis today for a 'supershow' (Basically they were just having two shows back to back.)

Sucks about Eddie. I'm glad he at least got a chance to reach the top before he passed away. It would have really been tragic for someone as awesome as him in the ring to pass without ever getting proper recognition.

[pinkfloyd45769]

I don't watch wrestling,but, it still sucks!! Sorry wrestling fans:(

[The STE]

I'mma go watch Wrestlemania 20 and have a good stiff drink...
:(

[pinkfloyd45769]

Can i have a good stiff drink even if i don't watch wrestling???

[The STE]

Originally posted by trippin_the_rif
*holds up glass with The STE* RIP Eddie.

Orale, vato

[The STE]

Apparently his low rider was on the stage throughout the Raw/SD taping.
And one of the reports said they did a video set to "Hurt" by Johnny Cash. Fucking harsh, man...

[The STE]

Originally posted by trippin_the_rif
Not sure I'm gonna be able to watch that. DAMNIT!!!

I'm recording it. I'm somewhat of a wrestling show packrat. Did the same thing with the Raw is Owen show.

[The STE]

It still hasn't sunk in. I doubt it will until the memorial show tomorrow.

...

[AUSTIN316426808]

I couldn't believe it at all. Went to yahoo to check my mail and saw it. Complete shock that hasn't really set in yet. I'm glad he got the title before he passed, he was one of the handful that had more than just ''the right look'' and a catchy gimmick. It's going to be a hard show to watch tonight, you'll definately be missed dude.

Viva La Rasa R.I.P. Eddie.

[ThePhantom]

lil something i came up with after hearing about Eddie's death



"The champion wrestler is neither selected nor born; he is self-formed.
Of course, the great wrestler possesses many admirable qualities. However,
there are four prime attributes I consider to be a must--hustle, attitude,
resolution, and desire (creating the acronym H.A.R.D.).
Let's take a deeper look at each:

HUSTLE-The outstanding wrestler hustles all the time. During practice, his
coach often has to tell him to take a break. Furthermore, this high-powered
competitor is forever searching for someone better to wrestle. He's never
satisfied with his performance and is constantly striving for perfection.

ATTITUDE-The superior wrestler has a positive attitude. He believes in
himself and his capabilities. When others say, "You won't," he quietly asserts, "I will".
The champion's total being radiates confidence.

RESOLUTION-The No. 1 matman illicits a most potent resolution. In truth, it
is the pitfalls which make him that much more determined to succeed.
He doesn't know the meaning of "quit."

DESIRE-The champion wrestler feeds on desire and perceives nothing less than
being the best. There may be more skillful grapplers around but his hunger for
victory will overcome them all. This winner believes in the adage,
"I might be outclassed but never outfought."

I am sure that everyone will agree it takes H.A.R.D. work to be on top. Oh
yes, some have furtively whispered, "The champ seems a bit insane."
However, none will ever forget his name.



If you ask me Eddie was H.A.R.D.

[The STE]

Fucking hard show to watch, but still a classy gesture

[AUSTIN316426808]

Totally agree, hard to watch but very nice.

[The STE]

and the matches were good, as I suppose Friday's will be also

[The STE]

though I think the "Legend Killer" stuff was a bit in poor taste

[AUSTIN316426808]

Yeah, it's rare to see really good matches on Raw or Smackdown anymore and you can't have crappy matches on the guy's tribute show.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by The STE
though I think the "Legend Killer" stuff was a bit in poor taste


I thought it was a little disrespectful that he didn't wear the shirt.

[PR3SSUR3]

Isn't wrestling just pretend fighting, like a staged pantomime you might take the kids to see?

What's its purpose?



:confused:

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3


What's its purpose?



:confused:


Entertainment

[PR3SSUR3]

Through deception, even more apparent to older fans?

What about pretend boxing, would that work?

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
Through deception, even more apparent to older fans?

What about pretend boxing, would that work?




For young fans imo it's just as harmless as santa claus or the tooth fairy. After you reach a certain age you'll realize it's staged and can still enjoy watching storylines unfold. The outcome of the match is predetermined but the action is real and you don't know who's going to win(although the last handful of years have been pretty predictable).

[PR3SSUR3]

Fair enough, still seems very odd though how many children are actually fooled (most aren't as daft as they look) - and how confusing and disappointing it must be when the truth dawns.

Faces of Death lost its menace when I became old enough to discover most of the scenes were staged - though this did open up new thoughts on how to manipulate certain audiences.

[AUSTIN316426808]

You're right, I'm sure it's disappointing for some to find out your hero is improvising from a plot outline but I also don't think it's something that would be dwelled on for long. Going back to what I said before about Santa for example, that's probably alot worse to find out about because after they find that out it's over. On the other hand the wrestlers/characters are still there and while it most likely wont be as exciting it can still be enjoyable.

[ThePhantom]

Originally posted by The STE
though I think the "Legend Killer" stuff was a bit in poor taste


Same here if they wanted John Cena to have a match they could have had him go up against some one else. Randy Orton didnt care about Eddie all he cares about is his self. The rest of the show was good except that match

[The STE]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
Through deception, even more apparent to older fans?

What about pretend boxing, would that work?

You mean a boxing match where the ending is predetermined? Why, that'd be fixing, and who would EVER fix a boxing match?

Anyways, can we possibly move the discussion on the merits of wrestling being less than honest to one of the other wrestling threads?

EDIT: I would've suggested I go into the thread about Akkad and talk about how most of the Halloween movies weren't any good anyways, but then I went in there and found this:
Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
No more fucking sequels!!!

There is a God....

:p
Same person posting and everything. I'm shocked...

[PR3SSUR3]

There are more wrestling threads?

Speculation is all you may have about the rumour of rigged boxing matches (save for a handful that may have been "proved" by the media?) - wrestling however is sold as "real" battling when it is in fact universally, blatantly "false".

It is impossible to take such a strange hybrid of entertainment - bouts of fighting with "rules" and acting - seriously when there is no tension (apart from dramatic), meaning or winners/losers... instead there is a script and a bunch of oddball steroid-munchers.

You say you were going to go to Moustapha Akkad's RIP thread and condemn his work?

Bloody disrespectful, that.


:eek:

[ThePhantom]

PR3SSUR3 if you dont like wrestling are you think it is so fake then dont watch it .

[cheebacheeba]

wrestling however is sold as "real" battling when it is in fact universally, blatantly "false".
I'm not really a great wrestling fan, but maybe, just MAYBE what you're saying is why they refer to it as "sports entertainment", and/or "PERFORMANCE wrestling".
The majority of people that DO follow it beyond a certain age will not try and step up claiming how undisputedly real every aspect of wrestling is, yet, as some have even said in this thread, they watch to see the storylines and events unfold, predetermined as they may be. When I watch wrestling, whether or not it's ACTUALLY people getting the shit knocked out of them does not enter my mind...it's theatrical, yes...but I do appreciate the skill and stamina it must take for these guys to do what they do, even if it is essentially watching something vaugely comparable to stuntmen.
PERFORMANCE wrestling. Sports ENTERTAINMENT.
Seems those that watch it find these things an easier concept to grasp than you do. What you're saying isn't exactly groundbreaking news, you're not clearing up any long standing questions here, in fact, all you are doing is being disrespectful to fans of a great long time entertainer, performer, actor....Then again, this is no news to US, your regular routine around here is to gather attention through attempted infamy...you're not funny, you're not witty, you're just a dick - So keep the avatar, seems that, you've already acknolwedged the truth of the matter.

Oh...and Sam, Austin, Trippin'...We got the show you're referring to just yeaterday (slight delay here), and even for an "only sometimes" watcher, it was difficult to sit through...the montage of his life was nicely done even for the space of time they managed to push it into, some heartfelt quotes about his skill, and determination, you could see how many true friends the guy actually had, even his latest "enemies" couldn't contain themselves. You're right, overall it was a good show.
One thing...was Chris Benoit a close personal friend of Eddies? He sure seemed to be taking it harder than anyone else...
No doubt this has the entire industry shaken, it is truly a shame.

- B

[The STE]

he and Eddie were way close. They've known each other since '94 or '95 when they were wrestling in Japan

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3


Speculation is all you may have about the rumour of rigged boxing matches (save for a handful that may have been "proved" by the media?)




Please tell me you're not naive enough to believe that a boxing match has never been fixed.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Just as good as Raw, just as hard to watch.

[PR3SSUR3]

Dweebadweeba -

Not exactly groundbreaking news indeed - more a reminder of how such flimsy, insignificant entertainment remains so popular with the masses.

To not grow out of wrestling is strange, as one would expect your forms of entertainment to mature with the rest of you.

Over it?

:cool:

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3

To not grow out of wrestling is strange


When you watch a movie everything is fake, a bunch of people acting as if their doing something they aren't. Acting like good guys, bad guys, military officers, singers, police officers, gangsters ect. ect. The point of watching a movie which again is completely fake is to see how the story comes out. Wrestling's no different, you're watching a bunch of people acting like good guys and bad guys as the story unfolds. Also just like movies it can be predictable and boring, original and suspenseful, funny ect. It's just a form of entertainment which in my opinion isn't all that different from watching a movie or any other tv show for that matter.

[PR3SSUR3]

Another good point, Austin.

While it is easy to suspend disbelief in film though, watching a movie is a more obvious, accepted form of deception - and most of them do not pretend to be "authentic".

It is interesting how more actual, competitive wrestling in Ultimate Fighting and the like lies at the other end of the spectrum since it is considered "extreme".

Where is the middle ground?

Surely a hands-on, grab-and-throw skill like wrestling can be sold to the public as a straight sport, minus the need for patronising pre-determined pantomime acts or unrestrained extremities?


Punch and Judy, now I can just about cope with that.


http://www.punchandjudy.com/howtoscript/fight.htm


:)

[AUSTIN316426808]

I think wrestling is just as much of an accepted form of deception as film, they don't advertise it as being real which is more than I can say for alot of films who are quick to slap on a ''true story'' sticker. There's even a saying in wrestling, ''This aint ballet'' which is often used by the announcers which any frequent viewer can easily translate. As far as younger fans just like with movies it's the parent's job if they see fit to explain to the kid that it's not real and not to try anything they see. So as far as the deception you keep mentioning, like I've said already it's just like movies imo, if you're old/mature enough you'll realize it's fake, if you're a young fan it's up to the parents if they see fit to explain. So again I say it's just like movies or any other tv show.

[OctaviusHunter]

I'm an old wrestling fan from way back (anyone remember tommy "wildfire" rich)? Or perhaps you can remember who the original satanist in wrestling was?

anyway, having met and chatted with several pro-wrestlers and seen the injuries and watched them walk and get up out of chairs believe me wrestlers are athletes who get hurt.

just because it's scripted doe not mean that it's "fake". I stopped watching wrestling when it stopped being about good versus evil, now it's degrees of popularity and who can be bad without being unpopular.

Remember when it was Ivan Koloff versus Ole Anderson or austin idol versus rick flair. Remember when buck "rock-n-roll" zumhoff was warring with bobby hennan? It was good versus bad; a titanic clear cut struggle. I was about the plot and story line; it was about booing for the bad guy and loving it when the good guy finally won -- it was melodrama object lessons.

Now, it's just like any other soap opera, only the sex happens in the ring and not in the bedroom.

Wrestlers are tough folks and extreme athletes(although I could never figure out how dusty rhodes never had a heart attack as huge as he was) and regardless of scripted or unscripted the good ones do deserve some respect.

[Zero]

Originally posted by OctaviusHunter


Now, it's just like any other soap opera, only the sex happens in the ring and not in the bedroom.



uh, not sure which wrestling shows you were watching - did it involve gladiators?

[ThePhantom]

What!!! You mean to tell me wrestling is not real, are you saying they dont really jump off cages and and they really dont hit people with chairs. You trying to tell me after all these years i have been watching that they really dont throw people off of the top rope. PR3SSUR3 you trying to say all that is fake that they really dont do those things

[PR3SSUR3]

Q: Do the actors involved take a bow at the end of their 'bouts'?

:confused:

[ThePhantom]

Ummm, why yes some do

[friday13thfan]

damn that sucks i loved to watch him wrestle:(

[Yellow Jacket]

R.I.P. Eddie Guerrero

Grew up watching this guy wrestle in WCW and WWE, and I'll admit to crying on the RAW Tribute to Eddie Guerrero. I have thought about him every day. In my history class, we had to bring in something special to us to hang up on the wall for the term, and I brought in my Eddie Guerrero shirt. Also, in Spanish, we got to pick spanish names for ourselves, and I picked Eduardo, Eddie's full name. I miss this man very much! R.I.P. Eddie Guerrero! We'll miss you! :(

[ItsAlive75]

http://www.break.com/articles/wrestlingfan.html