Suicide pacts and those trendy, trendy kids

[ItsAlive75]

So I read this article talking about these two 14 year old French girls who bound their hands together and jumped off a 17th story apartment balcony as part of a suicide pact.

Now I can understand (although I don't agree with it) someone committing suicide by him or herself, whether it be because of problems at home or just depression in general... but when its done as a group (or in this case, a pair), I just don't get it. That would mean more than one person shares the exact same negative outlook on life and feels that suicide is the answer. How can more than one person agree on killing themselves? My roommates and I can't agree on what channel to watch.

I dunno, I guess I'm pretty naive... but suicide pacts are just the stupidest shit in the world. Go start a softball league, form a band...something. Killing yourself is so in right now, its pathetic.

[Angelakillsluts]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
So I read this article talking about these two 14 year old French girls who bound their hands together and jumped off a 17th story apartment balcony as part of a suicide pact.

Now I can understand (although I don't agree with it) someone committing suicide by him or herself, whether it be because of problems at home or just depression in general... but when its done as a group (or in this case, a pair), I just don't get it. That would mean more than one person shares the exact same negative outlook on life and feels that suicide is the answer. How can more than one person agree on killing themselves? My roommates and I can't agree on what channel to watch.

I dunno, I guess I'm pretty naive... but suicide pacts are just the stupidest shit in the world. Go start a softball league, form a band...something. Killing yourself is so in right now, its pathetic.

I can almost understand why people would do this. I wouldn't be able to do it alone, myself. Not that I would.

[Angra]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
How can more than one person agree on killing themselves?


My guess would be DRUGS.:rolleyes:

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by Angra
My guess would be DRUGS.:rolleyes:

Hmm.... that's a good guess.

[MoonLit Meadow]

I have to imagine that in alot of cases, people in that state of mind have friends who share the same viewpoint/outlook on life as they do...misery loves company, ya know? ;) So I guess they just figure they might as well do it together, rather than do it alone? I don't know...I've never been in a situation where I felt that suicide was the only answer...but I guess I can kind of see where having somebody with you might be comforting?? I don't know....yeah, I don't know ;) Just disregard this post and/or me :D

[MoonLit Meadow]

Originally posted by trippin_the_rif
FUCK A DUCK!!!!!!! Where the hell have you been?:p

LMFAO ;)

Hey MERV!!!! AHAHAAHAHAH ;)

Anyway, I've been doing the job searching thing, etc. :) Gotta make those dollas:p

[Doc Faustus]

I can say from experience, it's hard to understand but not altogether impossible to explain. I'm very bipolar and when I got to college, I became a magnet for other mentally ill people and there were occasions where two of us were suicidal sitting in the same room and talking about why we bother and how hard it actually would be to go through with it, but we ended up realizing that each of us owed it to the other to survive and that it wouldn't really solve anything. But, with 14 years of maturity and life experience and the intensity of an onset of clinical depression or bipolar, your brain can be an atom bomb and rationalizing their way out of suicide was likely near impossible. And, with the other person willing to join them in the endeavour, it probably looked a lot more sensible. It's easy to tell yourself something like that is crazy, but when somebody else is telling you it isn't at the same time, it could be very hard. Not only that, but one of the aspects of a suicide pact is not to tell anybody else, so the feelings become insulated and just bounce off two suicidal people.

[MoonLit Meadow]

Originally posted by trippin_the_rif
Well, I'm pissed that the street corners are getting all your attention.:eek: :p

I kid, I kid!!!:p

bwahahahhaahha. You caught me. ;) I've been visiting my old stomping grounds:p

[MoonLit Meadow]

Originally posted by trippin_the_rif
Good to have ya back! *Hugs*

Awwww. It's good to be back :)

IA75...I'm sorry I kind of jacked your thread...but...I BLAME YOU ;) Cause...somebody's gotta take the blame:D

[meetthecreeper]

I dont know the exact percentage but most sucide victims realize at the moment of truth that they want to live.

I suppose doing it with someone else there would make it easier. "Hey Alice I really want to live." "Kind of late for that Mary seeing is that we are heading towards the pavement at 9.8ft per sec. and have reached terminal velocity."

What these folks need to do is get old Tyler Durdan to put a gun to their heads so they can realize what they have to live for.

Shit man at least stick around to aggravate the rest of the world.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by Doc Faustus
your brain can be an atom bomb and rationalizing their way out of suicide was likely near impossible. And, with the other person willing to join them in the endeavour, it probably looked a lot more sensible. It's easy to tell yourself something like that is crazy, but when somebody else is telling you it isn't at the same time, it could be very hard. Not only that, but one of the aspects of a suicide pact is not to tell anybody else, so the feelings become insulated and just bounce off two suicidal people.

Good points. I just don't get how two people could come to that conclusion. Ok, so you both think life sucks and you're worse for wear by sticking around. But... and I was gonna say killing yourself takes guts... but it seriously doesn't. That is one of the pussiest ways to deal with something, and I always feel bad for the families who have to deal with the debt left behind when someone kills themselves because of it.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by meetthecreeper
Shit man at least stick around to aggravate the rest of the world.

If I didn't think that bumper stickers were the most useless invention next to flavored water, I'd say that'd be a good bumper sticker.

[novakru]

It's FEAR.
And you will never understand unless you've been there.

Suicide is a mindstate one gets to when they are at the end of their rope but it still is a scary, scary thing to actually DO.
They wanted to die,and with each other found the way to get around the fear of dying.

Killing yourself is not like what most people think... the person or persons are NOT selfish.
They honestly do not think anyone would give a fig if they died.
It is not easy to take your life,just the only option some people think they have.There Hope is completely gone.

Of course there are exceptions.
There are those that do it purely for the the attention,only to find out too late....there was no one there to stop them.

There are those that do it because they think "see,now I'll show all the people that hurt me"-which in the end is rather silly because the people that hurt them,really could care less if they were dead.

This world is not an easy place to be sometimes and it's CRUEL.
I wish people who were suicidal would get the help they need,but that would be asking too much in a world that cares so little for one another.
They are not BETTER off though,dying is not the way to go.
I wish all these people would live to have a good life,and have the ultimate revenge=LIVING WELL.

I wanted to die for years,I attempted it,I came exceptionally close to succeeding,afterwards I did get help... it didn't happen overnight,I crashed a few more relationships and quit and got fired from jobs but eventually I found my path and I found good friends,a good man,I have 2 beautiful kids,I have a great relationship with my family now....and I could have missed all that,and if you think that doesn't mess with my head from time to time......

Anyway-I can forgive all the people that tried to kill my spirit and destroy my mind because I am LIVING WELL,and I know the people that did me harm would have never thought it possible that I smile and laugh on a daily basis-and they are the pitiful ones living in their own hell.

But some poor ,poor souls do not get the incredible gift like I did and now they are dead.
So,think twice before you are flip about someone else's situation-you NEVER know what horrible things are going on in their heads and how far a kind word or a smile at them will go.

[scouse mac]

I work on the railway on only yesterday a young girl was stood on the edge of a platform threatening to jump in front of a train. This is the third time she has done this in the past couple of months. She quite clearly needs help but its also equally obvious from the frequency of her 'visits' that she isnt getting any. Society as a whole has become a less caring place and some peolpe find it very tough to handle that.

[PR3SSUR3]

suicide pacts are just the stupidest shit in the world. Go start a softball league, form a band...something. Killing yourself is so in right now, its pathetic.

That's just about the most liberally idealistic fucking statement I've ever heard.

You should work for The Samaritans - suicides would be down, but bat'n'ball games and teen-angst grunge bands would go through the roof.

Extreme practical solutions to apparently unsolvable problems eventually make more sense than anything else to some troubled minds - it is sad but often inevitable, and also very, very personal. Two people with one eye already on suicide may take comfort in making their decision less personal and sharing the responsibility.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
That's just about the most liberally idealistic fucking statement I've ever heard.


Okay.

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
suicides would be down, but bat'n'ball games and teen-angst grunge bands would go through the roof.

Why's that bad? You like kids killing themselves? You're about as sick as your avatar, you pervert.:D

[novakru]

So,I write something deep and personal and I get no response.
Some wiseass writes something and it gets a comment.
I don't get it.

Whatever.

[Doc Faustus]

Novakru: I agree with you on what you brought up 100%. Suicide is a product of fear and often the belief that nothing lay ahead anyhow and a lot of people don't get the luxury of seeing what they could have, or recieving a moment's compassion. There were times when I was quite resolute about dying, but a little casual friendliness or a phone call from an old friend would be enough to stop me. Sadly, depression is considered a social aberration nowadays. It makes you "emo", a goth, a pussy, a lunatic. The norm is somewhere between joy and apathy. I think it's important that people just treat each other a little more decently, particularly if somebody looks or seems like they're at the edge of their rope. Idiots also never think that the kid they throw a rock at might come to school the next day with an SMG. In general, I think people need to be less naive and stupid in regards to mental illness. After all, without mentally ill people, we'd have very little of the cultural or literary backbone of our society. And softball might not manage to accomplish these changes in attitude I recommend.

[novakru]

Originally posted by Doc Faustus
Novakru: I agree with you on what you brought up 100%. Suicide is a product of fear and often the belief that nothing lay ahead anyhow and a lot of people don't get the luxury of seeing what they could have, or recieving a moment's compassion. There were times when I was quite resolute about dying, but a little casual friendliness or a phone call from an old friend would be enough to stop me. Sadly, depression is considered a social aberration nowadays. It makes you "emo", a goth, a pussy, a lunatic. The norm is somewhere between joy and apathy. I think it's important that people just treat each other a little more decently, particularly if somebody looks or seems like they're at the edge of their rope. Idiots also never think that the kid they throw a rock at might come to school the next day with an SMG. In general, I think people need to be less naive and stupid in regards to mental illness. After all, without mentally ill people, we'd have very little of the cultural or literary backbone of our society. And softball might not manage to accomplish these changes in attitude I recommend.

Well said.
And thank you for responding.
Sometimes people in here piss me off the nth degree...
misunderstanding me CONSTANTLY,not getting the vein in which I am responding etc etc-and I am talking about ALOT of threads here-not just this one ( though I do understand sometimes it is not seen-and that is totally cool by me:) )

I wrote that suicide post because ,there are alot of situations we go thru-and come out of,for a reason.That is to have COMPASSION when you see others in that same sitch.That means you can relieve there suffering a bit because you've BEEN THERE and can give maybe a different view or option that someone mired deep into that said situation didn't think of.
People need to be INTERDEPENDANT.
I went to a think tank last night and that word came up alot in reference to all the problems society has today.
We are a bunch of self-centered(I totally include myself in this as well,because I did grow up in the "me" generation and it's a hard, hard habit to break)
Self-pleasuring,selfish group as a whole (there are many exceptions,but I am talking about the majority)
And we need to get back to helping each other and not just when there is a tragedy.
This goes further than just the suicide issue.I am speaking about ''In General".

[AmericanManiac]

But some poor ,poor souls do not get the incredible gift like I did and now they are dead.

My bestfriend who I grew up with, we spent everyday together well one night 2 years ago his girlfriend broke up with him he loved her she was his world. Well I didn't even get a chance to talk to him he walked past my house went to his got one of his dad's gun's and stuck the barrel in his mouth and pulled the trigger. It was 3:12 am and I remember the exact time because I woke up out of a deep sleep and I knew something was wrong but I didn't know what. I was laying there and then I seen the lights of the ambulence flashing through my window, I walked out onto the porch to see where they was going and they went to his house. I took of running up the street to only be stopped before I hit the steps to his house, his mom came out crying and told me, I dropped to my knees in tears. I have not spoken to this girl ever since, I know it was a stupid reason for him to do it and I just wish he would of stopped here and talked to me. I didn't even get to say goodbye. :( I wish he would of the gift that you did, and I'm glad that you got it. Suicide should never be a option to anyone that one person can hurt so many.

[novakru]

Originally posted by AmericanManiac
My bestfriend who I grew up with, we spent everyday together well one night 2 years ago his girlfriend broke up with him he loved her she was his world. Well I didn't even get a chance to talk to him he walked past my house went to his got one of his dad's gun's and stuck the barrel in his mouth and pulled the trigger. It was 3:12 am and I remember the exact time because I woke up out of a deep sleep and I knew something was wrong but I didn't know what. I was laying there and then I seen the lights of the ambulence flashing through my window, I walked out onto the porch to see where they was going and they went to his house. I took of running up the street to only be stopped before I hit the steps to his house, his mom came out crying and told me, I dropped to my knees in tears. I have not spoken to this girl ever since, I know it was a stupid reason for him to do it and I just wish he would of stopped here and talked to me. I didn't even get to say goodbye. :( I wish he would of the gift that you did, and I'm glad that you got it. Suicide should never be a option to anyone that one person can hurt so many.

I am so sorry you lost your friend.:(

[AmericanManiac]

Thank you very much !

[PR3SSUR3]

It's all in the delivery, novakru ;)

It's Alive - read novakru's post and have a rethink about suicide being trendy or pathetic. Patronising those who might want to kill themselves and for whom softball and music are way down the list of importance is rather insensitive.

:D

[novakru]

I have to comment.
I wasn't upset specifically @ ItsAlive,I was upset at the lack of response in general.
Just need to clear that up.:)

But,I am over it,it's JUST A FORUM,It's just a forum,It's just a forum.
...Even though I have nothing better to do than be here:D

[PR3SSUR3]

I have - I'm off out on the booze.

Nice weekends all round!

:cool: :D :cool:

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
It's Alive - read novakru's post and have a rethink about suicide being trendy or pathetic. Patronising those who might want to kill themselves and for whom softball and music are way down the list of importance is rather insensitive.


Well I'm an insensitive person.

[MoonLit Meadow]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
Well I'm an insensitive person.

OBVIOUSLY. Damn trouble maker ;):p :D

[Doc Faustus]

I think It's Alive actually deserves a lot of commendation, for bringing up the question, starting the thread and wanting to examine everything with the forum. One of the arguments people have always had about horror and everybody who watches horror films is that they are desensitized to real violence, real suffering and real situations. I think that the question and the thread and the nature of people's responses on the forum in this particular thread show that people can definitely take in a lot of violence and still have perspective on real violence- physical or psychological. It's really odd that this thread came up, because a couple weeks ago was the anniversary of a friend of mine's death. I definitely know what Maniac felt. The last thing this friend of mine said to me was at the end of a conversation on the neutron bomb a few hours before his death, he said, "what's the big deal? It only destroys people." He was kidding, but those words in that context gave me a really chilling perspective on the whole phenomenon. I had just been on the forums two weeks back, and then I went out and took a walk and sat down in the park. I found myself thinking about isolation and desensitization. I ended up leaving school this year instead of getting a degree in thanatology, the study of death and afterlife beliefs, and I found it odd and sickening that I had nothing good to tell myself to contextualize the grief and how a lot of people have actually been desensitized to tragedy and violence. It's nice to see that right wing idiots are wrong about horror fans being those people. I think actually for people who are often amused by onscreen violence real violence in fact becomes more repugnant and scary.

[scouse mac]

Originally posted by Doc Faustus
It's nice to see that right wing idiots are wrong about horror fans being those people. I think actually for people who are often amused by onscreen violence real violence in fact becomes more repugnant and scary.

This is exactly right. Its easy to laugh, joke and cringe with a smile on your face when watching horror films. Any exposure to real violence or tragedy, without fail, makes you realise how 'safe' the feelings of fear you feel when watching films are. The real world will always be the scariest thing anyone will experience.

[Elvis_Christ]

Suicicidal Inspiration is a sick thought media inflicted mind control.

People get so down that they'll kill themselves because they don't fit into ideals enforced by visuals

at times in this world all you've got is your friends and maybe these people thought the world sold out against them I decided to quit the world together

take a step back and relise this shit cause we're ALL contributing to it

........trendy, trendy rich kids?

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by Elvis_Christ
........trendy, trendy rich kids?

Never said rich.

[Elvis_Christ]

.....aren't i the asshole. Being all serious and misquoting people
maybe i'd have a career in something dispicable!

[zwoti]

Originally posted by Elvis_Christ
.....aren't i the asshole. Being all serious and misquoting people
maybe i'd have a career in something dispicable!

politics or the media?

[Elvis_Christ]

Originally posted by zwoti
politics or the media?

A little of both maybe?

http://www.gawker.com/news/rupertmurdochpensive.jpg

Check out his Mr Burns hands :)

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