George Bush does not care about black people.

[bwind22]

"George Bush does not care about black people."

Did anyone catch Kanye West's impromptu speech at the Katrina Relief concert last week?

I almost crapped my pants laughing at the reaction from Mike Myers when Kanye said that.

Whether Bush cares about black people or not, putting two celebrities together and watching one of them go completely off script into an anti-Bush rant while the other stands by in sheer horror is pretty damn funny.

[Arioch]

Whether Bush cares about black people or not, putting two celebrities together and watching one of them go completely off script into an anti-Bush rant while the other stands by in sheer horror is pretty damn funny.

Ha, agreed....ya it was pretty good...

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Arioch
Ha, agreed....ya it was pretty good...

Whoa! I feel like I'm having an acid flashback! Where did you come from? (Or more appropriately, where have you been?)

[wufong]

i don't george hates blacks.he hates poor people in general black or white. he probably has the same mind set as his mother.. who after visiting people left homeless from the storm said " aww well they were already poor so they should be use to these conditions" not a excat qoute but you idea

[BillyNedar]

Originally posted by wufong
i don't george hates blacks.he hates poor people in general black or white. he probably has the same mind set as his mother.. who after visiting people left homeless from the storm said " aww well they were already poor so they should be use to these conditions" not a excat qoute but you idea

Now that was a grammar lesson looking for a place to explode if ever I saw one.

[newb]

Originally posted by Arioch
Ha, agreed....ya it was pretty good...

ARIOCH.........I assume the rumor of your demise has been greatly exaggerated.
Good to see ya.....even if for a brief visit.

[ItsAlive75]

Kanye West is a moron. First I see him saying that stupid shit, then i see him complaining that he didn't win an MTV Music award, then I see him doing a football pregame show with that guy from Maroon 5.

He just wants to be everywhere.

[MoonLit Meadow]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
Kanye West is a moron. First I see him saying that stupid shit, then i see him complaining that he didn't win an MTV Music award, then I see him doing a football pregame show with that guy from Maroon 5.

He just wants to be everywhere.

Exactly...attention whooooooooore ;) :p

BTW, that NFL kickoff performance was TERRIBLE!:eek: ;)

[meetthecreeper]

Originally posted by trippin_the_rif
First off, the dearly departed of HDC are not really departed. They are here and they lurk.:D


True.

But they have less or nothing to say than before.

[Deposable]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
Kanye West is a moron. First I see him saying that stupid shit, then i see him complaining that he didn't win an MTV Music award, then I see him doing a football pregame show with that guy from Maroon 5.

He just wants to be everywhere.

Kanye West is a fucking hypocritic but I thought that qoute is brilliant!

[GeekLove]

Originally posted by wufong
i don't george hates blacks.he hates poor people in general black or white. he probably has the same mind set as his mother.. who after visiting people left homeless from the storm said " aww well they were already poor so they should be use to these conditions" not a excat qoute but you idea

I think Kanye was just as frustrated as the majority of the US & whether right or wrong, at least it got people talking & paying attention. Why aren't we hearing more about Barbara Bush's statement? The Bush family is so far removed from the real world. Do they honestly think that those deplorable conditions are a step up from where these people came from? Aren't these the same people that voted W into office?

[Deposable]

Originally posted by GeekLove
Do they honestly think that those deplorable conditions are a step up from where these people came from? Aren't these the same people that voted W into office?

The Bush family doesn't live on the same planet/reality that we have to live in.

The average person has problems that they would shit their pants if they had. Money has taken all their problems away. For all the Middle class/Blue collar people that voted for them, They have no idea about the people that are in office.

[MichaelMyers]

Both Bush and West are idiots.

[newb]

Bush Eats Baby, Republicans Defend President



WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Republicans across the nation are scrambling to defend President George W. Bush after he ate a baby during a visit to the White House kitchen early last evening.

Eye witnesses report that the president left the White House residence at around 8:05 p.m. eastern time wearing what appeared to be a crudely stitched "woman suit made from actual women".
He then entered the White House kitchen where he ate a baby with a side order of "a Cobb Salad containing raw puppy heads".

"I'm a baby eater. An eater of babies," the president told reporters this morning in the Rose Garden. "That's my job. My job is to tell the American people what I eat. And I eat babies and puppies while wearing suits of women. At least you know where I stand."

The presidential "Suit of Women" has been confirmed as having been fashioned from obese D.C. area residents who were coaxed into a nondescript van driven by Bush and his senior political advisor Karl Rove.

The women were forced to, "Put the lotion on their skin or else they get the hose again," says an anonymous White House source. The skins of the women were then harvested and sewn together into a costume which, when worn, makes the president appear to be an actual woman.

Photographs of the suit, which is allegedly flattering to the president's groin region, have yet to be released to the public.

Officials have not yet confirmed the identities of the women or the baby, but it has been confirmed that the president dropped the two-week-old child into a blender, set the device for "liquefy", then drank it down in only a few short gulps. He then decapitated several puppies, dropped them into a bed of lettuce and, "Scarfed it down like a Viking," said a White House kitchen employee.

REPUBLICANS DEFEND AND SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT

"Our goal isn't to play the blame game during an on-going investigation because the investigation is going on in an on-going kind of way indicative of an investigation," White House press secretary Scott McClellan told reporters. "There's a time for that and that time isn't now."

Republicans, however, are already calling for an investigation into the "inaction" of the White House kitchen staff for allowing this to happen.

"I'm not going to engage in the blame game. That baby was stupid for not running away and calling 911 for assistance," said Republican Senator Trent Lott. "And I've seen the president's woman suit up close and I can tell you, it's better than mine. Never-the-less, the kitchen staff should be held accountable for letting this happen on their turf."

"Those women should be penalized for allowing themselves to get so fat and thus ripening themselves for skin harvesting," Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA) commented on a Pennsylvania cable access show. Santorum had no comment on the puppies.

Conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh blamed former president Bill Clinton, "Folks, the eees-syooo here has nothing to do with babies or women or blenders or puppies. This has everything to do with Bill Clinton -- you know something folks -- Snerdly is telling me to cut it, but -- ummmm -- the nigg -- you know, I mean babies -- Clinton had eight years to stop babies from being ingested."

BLOGOSPHERE REACTION

While progressive bloggers are calling for the immediate arrest and impeachment of the president, denizens of the right-wing blogosphere immediately weighed in with their thoughts on the presidential crisis.

"Whiny libs are fags." -GOPawesome420.

"Shut up traitors attaking the prez is just showig your faggy lib colors." -Dittofan56.

"You lost, we won, get over it you whiny homos." -Nospinguy57.

BUSH FAMILY REACTION

The president's mother, Barbara Bush told reporters during a visit to Texas, "Those puppies were going to be used as fishing bait anyway, they're much better off now. BWA-HAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHA! HA!"

"It hurts me to the core that the liberal elite have begun to attack my boy," former president George H. W. Bush said Friday. "I know my boy and he's a compassionate, caring person. He could've eaten the baby alive, but he took the care to blend it up first. Round and round doing that thing a blender does down there."

LIKE A MERRY-GO-ROUND

Congressman Tom DeLay added this morning, "I bet the baby thought it was an amusement park ride. The blender must've been like a merry-go-round then the president's throat was like a fun water slide."

[AUSTIN316426808]

LMAO:D That's too funny.

[newb]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
LMAO:D That's too funny.

;)


How you holding up Austin?

[RoLLiNLiGhTs]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by newb
[B]Bush Eats Baby, Republicans Defend President
Laugh My Fucking Ass off!!!!!!
Man, that's some of the funniest shit...:eek: :D :D :p

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by newb
;)


How you holding up Austin?


Not great but good enough, just happy to be breathing, thanks for asking.:)

[ENTITY2000]

newayz!!!!!! this is a fucked up, and also a STUPID thread?
get over it !:rolleyes: not about how austin, but bush in general

[GorePhobia]

who cares he will be gone soon

plus i think Kanye West is an idiot

but oh well

[Deposable]

Originally posted by ENTITY2000
newayz!!!!!! this is a fucked up, and also a STUPID thread?
get over it !:rolleyes: not about how austin, but bush in general

Someone is a Bush supporter. Good job!

[yourlastmistake]

With amazement and shock I read that some misguided person is suggesting that Clinton should be back in office. If Clinton, who had multiple sexual encounters with an intern in the Oval office, was nearly removed from office, was apparently involved in multiple shady dealings, and probably many other shameful things, is the standard by which performance is judged then we are in more difficulty than I had imagined. We are fortunate to have a President who has integrity and acts forcefully in difficult situations. He demonstrated that after the 9-11 event and his approval ratings soared.
Now the whining liberals have finally come out from under their rocks. They have lost two elections to the better candidate and they still cannot accept that.
They continue to be aided and abetted by the media which is totally incapable of factual reporting. Inventing news and sensationalism to sell media time is how that business is run. Those who rely on the media for their information and allow their opinions to be formed by the media are being misled in ways that the propaganda from the past had never succeeded.
This country was founded and developed by people who were self reliant and hard working. They made sacrifices and took risks to create the nation we now enjoy. Each of us has a responsibility to take care of ourselves just as they did. Cooperation and helping those unable to care for themselves is also a part of our nation. Unfortunately the liberals in this country have used the efforts and the structure that hard work has established to create a welfare state in which a large segment of the population has become dependent rather than independent. A person's
situation is created by a choice or choices they make throughout their life. Foregoing the opportunity for an education, development of skills, or an unwillingness to make the sacrifice needed to do better are some of those choices. Many people who are now considered well off, or wealthy, or rich got there by making choices such as education, hard work, and saving their hard earned money.
The liberals continue to seek ways to deprive, those people who have been successful, of their just gains. They seek to create a welfare state in which those who have not been responsible for themselves can have access to the same life style as the people who worked to achieve it. We now have a large segment of the population that has become totally dependent on those who have achieved something in their lives. They want free housing, free health care, and the list goes on. When any unfortunate incident happens these dependent people expect instant response from the government and society in general to take care of them. What happened to the self reliance and hard work that built this country? The answer is apparent it has been overwhelmed by a desire to create a welfare state!!!
If you want to see where that leads just look at the countries in Europe - mired in socialism, flagging economies, large segments of the population on welfare, high unemployment and the list goes on. People find it easier to take a welfare check rather than work. That type of social structure is doomed to fail.

[MoonLit Meadow]

Originally posted by yourlastmistake
With amazement and shock I read that some misguided person is suggesting that Clinton should be back in office. If Clinton, who had multiple sexual encounters with an intern in the Oval office, was nearly removed from office, was apparently involved in multiple shady dealings, and probably many other shameful things, is the standard by which performance is judged then we are in more difficulty than I had imagined. We are fortunate to have a President who has integrity and acts forcefully in difficult situations. He demonstrated that after the 9-11 event and his approval ratings soared.
Now the whining liberals have finally come out from under their rocks. They have lost two elections to the better candidate and they still cannot accept that.
They continue to be aided and abetted by the media which is totally incapable of factual reporting. Inventing news and sensationalism to sell media time is how that business is run. Those who rely on the media for their information and allow their opinions to be formed by the media are being misled in ways that the propaganda from the past had never succeeded.
This country was founded and developed by people who were self reliant and hard working. They made sacrifices and took risks to create the nation we now enjoy. Each of us has a responsibility to take care of ourselves just as they did. Cooperation and helping those unable to care for themselves is also a part of our nation. Unfortunately the liberals in this country have used the efforts and the structure that hard work has established to create a welfare state in which a large segment of the population has become dependent rather than independent. A person's
situation is created by a choice or choices they make throughout their life. Foregoing the opportunity for an education, development of skills, or an unwillingness to make the sacrifice needed to do better are some of those choices. Many people who are now considered well off, or wealthy, or rich got there by making choices such as education, hard work, and saving their hard earned money.
The liberals continue to seek ways to deprive, those people who have been successful, of their just gains. They seek to create a welfare state in which those who have not been responsible for themselves can have access to the same life style as the people who worked to achieve it. We now have a large segment of the population that has become totally dependent on those who have achieved something in their lives. They want free housing, free health care, and the list goes on. When any unfortunate incident happens these dependent people expect instant response from the government and society in general to take care of them. What happened to the self reliance and hard work that built this country? The answer is apparent it has been overwhelmed by a desire to create a welfare state!!!
If you want to see where that leads just look at the countries in Europe - mired in socialism, flagging economies, large segments of the population on welfare, high unemployment and the list goes on. People find it easier to take a welfare check rather than work. That type of social structure is doomed to fail.

So like.....what are you, some kind of Republican or somethin'? ;):rolleyes: :p

[Deposable]

Originally posted by yourlastmistake
With amazement and shock I read that some misguided person is suggesting that Clinton should be back in office. If Clinton, who had multiple sexual encounters with an intern in the Oval office, was nearly removed from office, was apparently involved in multiple shady dealings.

I love how republicans are Moral Police. "Oh my god ! our president got a blowjobs! No one would give me a blowjob. We better impeach him" :rolleyes: I don't think Bill Clinton was a great president at all, but compared to George Bush. He was the best of all time.

Nationism makes me sick. America isn't better then Canada or England. Their Economy is stronger and better then us. There money is double the value of our money. After the War cost, and the damage of Katrina. We will be a REAL welfare state.

There is no agrument with you because you think you understand everything. Listen to your Fox news, keep in your bubble.

I have a idea, how about we kill all the poor people. They are scum! low-life trash. They are all on welfare, its creating a welfare state! :rolleyes: Your the type of guy that tells a homeless guy too "get a job" and then spits in his face.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Bush has integrity??? He's a politician, I'm sure that out of the thousands there are some who are honest,hardworking and really want to make this country a better place but for the most part they're all crooked and as far as Bush is concerned he's definately the latter. Bush...integrity? Get the fuck outta here.

[AUSTIN316426808]

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[jedicow]

Originally posted by yourlastmistake

Now the whining liberals have finally come out from under their rocks. They have lost two elections to the better candidate and they still cannot accept that.


really? i was under the impression that bush swindled his way into the white house.

i have serious doubts that we will EVER have a fair election again.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Deposable

There is no agrument with you because you think you understand everything. Listen to your Fox news, keep in your bubble.



Not that I agree wholeheartedly with the post you are responding to, but you should really check yourself before trying to call out other people on stuff like this. Your information and opinions posted in this thread are equally narrowminded, they just happen to be on the liberal side whereas this guy is on the right wing.

Comparing Bush to Hitler is totally naive, Canadian money isn't double ours, it's less than ours and Canada's 'free' health care system is a joke.

People die in Canada on waiting lists to get the 'free' operations they need because their health care system is so backed up. (People wait months, sometimes years, to get the medical attention they need.)

"You need a new kidney? Get in line."

And you say that he thinks he understands everything? Take a look in the mirror dude. You are posting stuff that is just plain incorrect like it's a fact.


Anyways, I'm not trying to get down on ya or anything, but if you are going to be such a stickler, you oughtta check your facts.

As a matter of opinion, Bill Clinton absolutely should not have been having an affair while in office. (Calling it 'Getting a BJ' or simply refering to the act of oral sex downplays the bigger issue. He was not a wholesome or trustworthy person. He did not set a good example. He certainly wasn't a role model.) The guy cheated on his wife in the Oval Office while serving as American President and then lied about it under oath. (And just for the record, that is the exact same crime that Lil' Kim is now serving prison time for.)

That being said, the Bush administration has pulled some of the shadiest moves in American history time and time again. The 2000 election was shady. Our pretenses for going to Iraq were shady. Dick Cheney is one of the biggest crooks in Washington. Condoleeza Rice is perhaps the most skilled person alive at dodging direct questions.

In short... I hate politicians. They are all corrupt and the few that aren't yet, will be soon. It's the nature of the beast.

I'm holding out hope that Barrack Obama and Norm Coleman (2 of the most legit US politicians in my opinion) will end up running for the Presidency before Washington gets their claws into them too deep because right now, they both seem like very legitimately uncorrupted people.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by jedicow

i have serious doubts that we will EVER have a fair election again.



The Electorial College is, in itself, unfair. Until we do away with that, you are right on.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by bwind22
"You need a new kidney? Get in line."


Isn't that what happens here too?


Originally posted by bwind22
Barrack Obama before Washington gets their claws into them


I don't see that happening, which is also why I don't see him(or the other you mentioned) winning the presidency.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Isn't that what happens here too?

Not really. People have to wait for a donor anywhere they are, but if you have the means, you can pretty much get what you need taken care of. In Canada, their hospitals are so backed up that people could have a kidney sitting there ready to roll and die waiting 3 months for an available surgeon.





I don't see that happening, which is also why I don't him(or the other you mentioned) winning the presidency.

Unfortunately neither do I.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by bwind22



Unfortunately neither do I.


Holy shit did we just agree?...lol.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by bwind22
Not that I agree wholeheartedly with the post you are responding to, but you should really check yourself before trying to call out other people on stuff like this. Your information and opinions posted in this thread are equally narrowminded, they just happen to be on the liberal side whereas this guy is on the right wing.

Comparing Bush to Hitler is totally naive, Canadian money isn't double ours, it's less than ours and Canada's 'free' health care system is a joke.

People die in Canada on waiting lists to get the 'free' operations they need because their health care system is so backed up. (People wait months, sometimes years, to get the medical attention they need.)

"You need a new kidney? Get in line."

And you say that he thinks he understands everything? Take a look in the mirror dude. You are posting stuff that is just plain incorrect like it's a fact.


Anyways, I'm not trying to get down on ya or anything, but if you are going to be such a stickler, you oughtta check your facts.

As a matter of opinion, Bill Clinton absolutely should not have been having an affair while in office. (Calling it 'Getting a BJ' or simply refering to the act of oral sex downplays the bigger issue. He was not a wholesome or trustworthy person. He did not set a good example. He certainly wasn't a role model.) The guy cheated on his wife in the Oval Office while serving as American President and then lied about it under oath. (And just for the record, that is the exact same crime that Lil' Kim is now serving prison time for.)

That being said, the Bush administration has pulled some of the shadiest moves in American history time and time again. The 2000 election was shady. Our pretenses for going to Iraq were shady. Dick Cheney is one of the biggest crooks in Washington. Condoleeza Rice is perhaps the most skilled person alive at dodging direct questions.

In short... I hate politicians. They are all corrupt and the few that aren't yet, will be soon. It's the nature of the beast.

I'm holding out hope that Barrack Obama and Norm Coleman (2 of the most legit US politicians in my opinion) will end up running for the Presidency before Washington gets their claws into them too deep because right now, they both seem like very legitimately uncorrupted people.

Hey Dep, I just looked back and now I don't see you saying anything about Candian Healthcare in this thread. I'm not sure if I am just overlooking it, if that was in another thread or if it was a different person saying it altogether. But if it was someone else, sorry about that. My bad. If it was in another thread, I guess I should have addressed it there, but now I can't find it. Anyways, I realize that one may not have been you.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Holy shit did we just agree?...lol.


:eek:

Yikes! That's freaky! We'd better start talking about football or something... I don't see any chance of agreement there.

:p

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by bwind22
:eek:

Yikes! That's freaky! We'd better start talking about football or something... I don't see any chance of agreement there.

:p


Uhhhhh...you're overrating the Vikings defense..no Moss no Playoffs.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Uhhhhh...you're overrating the Vikings defense..no Moss no Playoffs.

That's more like it!

I firmly disagree. Our division is weak as hell this year. I bet we can get in at 9-7. (Not that we'll do much once we get there though!)

Besides, the Saints will probably finish 4-12. :p

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by bwind22
Besides, the Saints will probably finish 4-12. :p


You just had to get that low blow in at the end didn't ya?:rolleyes: :D

[bwind22]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
You just had to get that low blow in at the end didn't ya?:rolleyes: :D

Yeah, I couldn't resist. :D Even though if the Saints have a bad year, they have a pretty good excuse. 16 road games would make it kinda tough to put up a winning record.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by bwind22
Yeah, I couldn't resist. :D Even though if the Saints have a bad year, they have a pretty good excuse. 16 road games would make it kinda tough to put up a winning record.




Ok, we better de-hijack this thread now:p

[Deposable]

Originally posted by bwind22
Not that I agree wholeheartedly with the post you are responding to, but you should really check yourself before trying to call out other people on stuff like this. Your information and opinions posted in this thread are equally narrowminded, they just happen to be on the liberal side whereas this guy is on the right wing.


I am open for opinions and views. Right wingers are known for only listening to the sound of their own voice. Do I make it clear where I stand, yes. Is having a strong opinion narrow minded, sure it is.

Originally posted by bwind22
Canadian money isn't double ours, it's less than ours

see, how you fail to mention England. Which I was referring too in my original post.

Originally posted by bwind22
Comparing Bush to Hitler is totally naive

I call the whole Republican Party as Nazi's. So if they are all Nazi's, he must be Hitler. Not a great comparison but I use that reference because of their beliefs not the whole "Killing Jews". They are against human choice and Pro-Control like the Nazi's were. I guess fascist is a better word.

Originally posted by bwind22
People die in Canada on waiting lists to get the 'free' operations they need because their health care system is so backed up. (People wait months, sometimes years, to get the medical attention they need.)

"You need a new kidney? Get in line."


The same thing happens to people in the U.S. The loophole's in HMO's kills people all the time. HMO's cover this but not that. Our Healthcare system is just as fucked up as Canada's but least everyone is equal. There is not blatant classism in Canada.

Originally posted by bwind22
And you say that he thinks he understands everything? Take a look in the mirror dude. You are posting stuff that is just plain incorrect like it's a fact.

Anyways, I'm not trying to get down on ya or anything, but if you are going to be such a stickler, you oughtta check your facts.


Pleeassee :rolleyes: You gotta stop acting like your bipartisan. You clearly lean to the right. If someone praised George Bush, you wouldn't think twice. But if someone is speaking against him or our government (besides yourself), you wouldn't think twice about jumping on your high horse.

Originally posted by bwind22
As a matter of opinion, Bill Clinton absolutely should not have been having an affair while in office. (Calling it 'Getting a BJ' or simply refering to the act of oral sex downplays the bigger issue. He was not a wholesome or trustworthy person. He did not set a good example. He certainly wasn't a role model.) The guy cheated on his wife in the Oval Office while serving as American President and then lied about it under oath. (And just for the record, that is the exact same crime that Lil' Kim is now serving prison time for.)


What Bill Clinton did was a Moral decision. Not being wholesome or trustworthy is getting votes from the "Blind Moral voters", then exploiting the people of 9/11 for a cause of War. Then recalling soliders to duty from the first Iraq war stating they didn't "Complete their services". Leaving thousands of families without fathers and mothers. And you can say having affair is "untrustworthy".... ? Only to his wife it is.

If Clinton lied under oath is debatable from which side you look at it. Undeserving of the Witch hunt Republicans caused. Also, it seems very unimportant compared with the mess we have TODAY.

Lil Kim did lie under oath. Also, I believe it was a violent crime. correct ? which she was protecting her friends. Bill Clinton was only trying to save his own ass from his Wife. haha, I am sure you could understand why.

Like I said before, Clinton was a perfect president COMPARED to Bush. Just depends which issue is more important. Lying about getting a BJ or exploiting a horrible event for your own benefit.

Here we go again :cool:

[Vodstok]

I think i will just pop in to say what newb posted was a fucking riot and I am thrilled to see that Austin is okay.


Back to the rhetoric and arguing. Sorry to interrupt :D:p

[bloodrayne]

I don't want to argue...I just want to point something out...

Originally posted by Deposable
What Bill Clinton did was a Moral decision. And you can say having affair is "untrustworthy".... ? Only to his wife it is.I, personally think that morals are just a little important in a president......And "ONLY to his wife"?.......I truly believe that if a person is disloyal and dishonest to the person that they made a vow to love and be faithful to, and also had a child with, that person would PROBABLY be dishonest and disloyal to a bunch of strangers that didn't mean shit to him (the American people)...I could be wrong, but I can't see him caring more about us, than about his wife...And child (yes, she suffered too...He didn't seem to care)

The bottom line is, if you'll cheat and lie to one person, you'll do it to everyone else...I think that's the connection that everyone fails to see when they say that's none of our business...Or maybe everyone just doesn't WANT to see (cuz it's really pretty damned apparent).....When someone says "That's his 'personal' life"...What exactly does that tell you about what kind of 'person' he IS?

He has proven that he would lie to and cheat the American people, as well...Several times...Not just about affairs, but...Have you ever heard anything about last minute, back door pardons (Which were ridiculously illegal, as he didn't follow ANY of the proper channels, because he knew they would be denied...We have a system of 'checks and balances' just so that people couldn't pull the kind of sneaky, underhanded shit he pulled...Why do you think they call him 'slick'?)?....Mark Rich sound familiar?...How about Whitewater?...Stealing everything in white house when they moved out, including furniture, carpets, curtains, and even light fixtures?...Well, he said that he removed the carpets because they were very badly stained...I can't imagine how they got that way:rolleyes: *cringes*...And, of course the rest of the thefts he blamed on Hillary....They DID end up returning most of it, though...Ya know, Clinton may have actually been telling the truth about the carpets, cuz when the cleaning people came in to clean and paint the whitehouse when the Clintons moved out, they said the place was absolutely filthy...But, anyway.....I could give you a list of lies and deception for his own personal gain that would be longer than your leg, so I'll just stop here...

Originally posted by Deposable
If Clinton lied under oath is debatable from which side you look at it..No, Sweetheart...Facts are not debatable...He lied under oath...Then later admitted that he lied...

[newb]

How about the fact that Clinton was a great artist....don't that count for nothing?

http://www.roachcam.ca/images/stupid/clintonpainting.jpg

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by newb
How about the fact that Clinton was a great artist....don't that count for nothing?

Well...Ya gotta give the devil his due, eh?

[meetthecreeper]

Originally posted by Deposable



I call the whole Republican Party as Nazi's. So if they are all Nazi's, he must be Hitler. Not a great comparison but I use that reference because of their beliefs not the whole "Killing Jews". They are against human choice and Pro-Control like the Nazi's were. I guess fascist is a better word.



And you honestly think that the democrats are any better??? I know a whole bunch of democrats that would love to trample my rights. Every single amendment in the constitution. First they want to take away the 2nd amend. so they can easily control us and then work their way on down from there.

I choose to own firearms. Schumer, Feinstein, Obama, Boxer, Durbin and a host of others are against my choice.

Its for the children.

Politcians are what they are. Corrupt and do only one thing, work to get themselves elected and then pay back the fatcats that got them there. They dont give a FOOK about the working man.

Clinton was a lying sack of dolphin phelgm.

Bush is a lying sack of Black Angus phelgm.

Not much difference.

Either way we lose. Each time more than one half of the country fell for their ruse.

And as long as JoeSixpak can watch the game on Sunday, drink a beer and masterbate to porn on the internet things aint ever going to change.

Government is all about control Republicrat or Demican.

Vote from the rooftops. It only takes one voice to start a revolution.

Oh wait I am too busy that day. Maybe some other patriot can take care of it for me.

End of Rant-back to non-existance and tinfoil hats.

[MichaelMyers]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
He has proven that he would lie to and cheat the American people, as well...Several times...Not just about affairs, but...Have you ever heard anything about last minute, back door pardons (Which were ridiculously illegal, as he didn't follow ANY of the proper channels, because he knew they would be denied...We have a system of 'checks and balances' just so that people couldn't pull the kind of sneaky, underhanded shit he pulled...

There is no review of presidential pardons.

[meetthecreeper]

Originally posted by MichaelMyers
There is no review of presidential pardons.

Well I guess that makes it OK then:rolleyes:

[MichaelMyers]

Originally posted by yourlastmistake
We are fortunate to have a President who has integrity and acts forcefully in difficult situations.

Hurricane Katrina says hi.

[MichaelMyers]

Originally posted by bwind22
The Electorial College is, in itself, unfair. Until we do away with that, you are right on.

What would you propose?

[ChEEbA]

Here he comes, here comes speedracer
He’s a demon on wheels
He’s a demon and he’s gonna be chasing after someone
He’s gaining on you so you better look alive
He’s busy revving up the powerful mach-5
And when the odds are against him and there’s dangerous work
You can bet your life speedracer will see it through

Go speedracer, Go speedracer Go speedracer, go!

He’s off and flying as he guns his car around the track
He’s jamming down the pedal like he’s never coming back
Adventure’s waiting just ahead!

Go speedracer!
Go speedracer!
Go speedracer, Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[meetthecreeper]

Originally posted by MichaelMyers
Hurricane Katrina says hi.


Thats right Bush prayed to Poseidon to release the Kracken on the city of Joppa, oops I mean New Orleans.

[meetthecreeper]

Originally posted by MichaelMyers
What would you propose?

Let each county in every state have one vote from the total votes of the county, majority rules.

Every blue state in the nation had predominately red counties except the ones centered around hi population centers.

And what do you know thats where all the poor people live. Just another way for us right wing wackos to take away your precious right to choose.

[AUSTIN316426808]

I say they either go by the popular vote or each state is worth one and the first to 26 wins.

[meetthecreeper]

Originally posted by MichaelMyers
What would you propose?

More importantly, What would you propose??


and what would charlie do??

[Deposable]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
No, Sweetheart...Facts are not debatable...He lied under oath...Then later admitted that he lied...

a BJ is worse then sending people to a War that 60% plus of the Citizens don't agree with ? Come on!

I am guessing you've never cheated before... ?

I am not even a democrat ! I have never ever voted Democrat. I come from a very strong ring wing republican family. I am pro-choice and I want as much freedom as possible without laws controling everday life. Anti-war, Pro-peace. I can't stand nationalism. So by default, I am as anti-republican as you can get. :D

But yes, they are all crooks.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by Deposable
a BJ is worse then sending people to a War that 60% plus of the Citizens don't agree with ? Come on!



I think the point was neither of them are trustworthy.

[Deposable]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
I think the point was neither of them are trustworthy.

My point is one trust could be a lot more dangerous and deadly.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Deposable
I am guessing you've never cheated before... ? Nope...Never needed to...If I wanted to be with someone else, that meant to me that I really didn't wanna be with the person I was with...And that was exactly what I TOLD the person I was with......I really can't see any reason for cheating...ever...

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
I think the point was neither of them are trustworthy. Exactly

Originally posted by Deposable
My point is one trust could be a lot more dangerous and deadly. Like I said...There was a LOT more going on, by way of deceit, than just cheating on his wife...

BUT...Dishonesty and disloyalty are not good qualities in ANY aspect...And it extends to everything the person does...It's a part of their character, and not a good part...



BTW...I love that we can disagree and discuss things without getting stupid about it :cool:

[Deposable]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
BUT...Dishonesty and disloyalty are not good qualities in ANY aspect...And it extends to everything the person does...It's a part of their character, and not a good part...

Welcome to the world of politics. Lying and cheating are apart of the gig. hahaha, but some lies cost lifes.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by MichaelMyers
What would you propose?

Popular vote is one good option...

Or how about this.... (I think Colorado is actually considering this.)

Split the electoral votes from each state by percentage of people that vote either way...

Let me explain... Say a state has 10 Electoral votes. 60% of the stae votes democrat, 40% votes republican. 6 of that states votes go to the democrat, 4 to the republican.

That would be a HUGE step in the right direction. Because as it is right now, if you are a democrat living in a state that always votes republican (like Texas or something) then your vote is worthless. You may as well stay home on election day because your vote isn't going where you want it to anyways.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Deposable
I am open for opinions and views. Right wingers are known for only listening to the sound of their own voice. Do I make it clear where I stand, yes. Is having a strong opinion narrow minded, sure it is.

Democrats and rebulicans do the same thing here. They both have their minds set before any given issue even arises.



see, how you fail to mention England. Which I was referring too in my original post.

That's because I was pointing out where you were inaccurate. England's currency is stronger than ours, so there was no need to mention it. You had it right.



I call the whole Republican Party as Nazi's. So if they are all Nazi's, he must be Hitler. Not a great comparison but I use that reference because of their beliefs not the whole "Killing Jews". They are against human choice and Pro-Control like the Nazi's were. I guess fascist is a better word.

Calling them fascist would be MUCH more appropriate than calling them nazis in my eyes.



The same thing happens to people in the U.S. The loophole's in HMO's kills people all the time. HMO's cover this but not that. Our Healthcare system is just as fucked up as Canada's but least everyone is equal. There is not blatant classism in Canada.

I have nothing good to say about HMO's here in the US. IF there are bigger crooks than politicians (That's a big IF), it's them. All I was really saying there was that the Canadian 'free' healthcare system isn't nearly as great as I often hear it made out to be.



Pleeassee :rolleyes: You gotta stop acting like your bipartisan. You clearly lean to the right. If someone praised George Bush, you wouldn't think twice. But if someone is speaking against him or our government (besides yourself), you wouldn't think twice about jumping on your high horse.

Obviously, since we are forced to only have 2 parties to select from, people are naturally forced to gravitate to one side or the other depending on the issue. I lean right on some issues and left on others. But in the overall scope of things, I realize they are both crooked parties controlling out government. They refuse to allow any third parties to even get into the race with any decent chance of winning. If Nader ever had any shot of winning, he'd have had my support in a heartbeat, but he didn't have a chance because the Dems and Repubs keep him out. (He wasn't even on the televised debates or even the ballot in some states.) Anyways, you should practice what you preach because you've been hanging from Clinton's dong this whole thread while saying that you are bipartisan too.



What Bill Clinton did was a Moral decision. Not being wholesome or trustworthy is getting votes from the "Blind Moral voters", then exploiting the people of 9/11 for a cause of War. Then recalling soliders to duty from the first Iraq war stating they didn't "Complete their services". Leaving thousands of families without fathers and mothers. And you can say having affair is "untrustworthy".... ? Only to his wife it is.

The military is comprised of volunteers, a massive amount of which signed up AFTER 9-11 knowing damn well they'd be going to combat.

If Clinton lied under oath is debatable from which side you look at it. Undeserving of the Witch hunt Republicans caused. Also, it seems very unimportant compared with the mess we have TODAY.

BR already covered this. It's not debatable. He lied under oath and then admitted it later on. He should have been impeached.

Lil Kim did lie under oath. Also, I believe it was a violent crime. correct ? which she was protecting her friends. Bill Clinton was only trying to save his own ass from his Wife. haha, I am sure you could understand why.

Lying under oath, no matter what you are lying about, is called perjury. They both commited exactly the same crime.

Like I said before, Clinton was a perfect president COMPARED to Bush. Just depends which issue is more important. Lying about getting a BJ or exploiting a horrible event for your own benefit.

Here we go again :cool:

To my knowledge, Bush hasn't commited any felonies while in office. Clinton did. Clinton also never had to deal with half the shit Bush did. It's a matter of opinion, but I wouldn't say either one of them are ANYWHERE near a perfect president no matter who you compare them too. (Except maybe Hitler.)

[MichaelMyers]

Originally posted by bwind22
Popular vote is one good option...

Or how about this.... (I think Colorado is actually considering this.)

Split the electoral votes from each state by percentage of people that vote either way...

Let me explain... Say a state has 10 Electoral votes. 60% of the stae votes democrat, 40% votes republican. 6 of that states votes go to the democrat, 4 to the republican.

That would be a HUGE step in the right direction. Because as it is right now, if you are a democrat living in a state that always votes republican (like Texas or something) then your vote is worthless. You may as well stay home on election day because your vote isn't going where you want it to anyways.

I think a point system, like that, would be the best option...

I don't think strictly going by popular vote is a good idea, because politicians would then only campaign in urban areas...

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by bwind22
Clinton also never had to deal with half the shit Bush did.


A good bit of the stuff he's had to deal with is because of himself.

[Deposable]

Okay, maybe fascist is a better word for you right-wingers. haha. Since, we have made our points. There is nothing left to talk about.... for now. But still, look at this picture. here is proof !

http://www.funny-games.biz/pictures/bush/adolf-hitler-bush.jpg

[ChEEbA]

Oh, you big bad anarchist you....you're SO cool:rolleyes:

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Deposable
Okay, maybe fascist is a better word for you right-wingers. haha. Since, we have made our points. There is nothing left to talk about.... for now. But still, look at this picture. here is proof !

http://www.funny-games.biz/pictures/bush/adolf-hitler-bush.jpg

NOw that's pretty funny.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
A good bit of the stuff he's had to deal with is because of himself.

Well, to a certain extent, yes (Iraq War mainly.). But 9/11 wasn't his fault. (And immediately after it, the majority of the population was pro war on terror.) And neither is this Hurricane Katrina mess now his fault.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by MichaelMyers
I don't think strictly going by popular vote is a good idea, because politicians would then only campaign in urban areas...

That's an excellent point. It would be a bad idea because that rural part of the country is a lot bigger than we in the urban areas realize or care to acknowledge, but you are probably right.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by bwind22
And neither is this Hurricane Katrina mess now his fault.


True, but the heat he's getting from the shitty response is his fault.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
True, but the heat he's getting from the shitty response is his fault.

I gotta disagree with that. I think most of the heat was (correctly) placed on the director of FEMA and Bush acted pretty quickly in replacing that dude.

His public image is definately taking a hit because of it, but I kinda get the feeling that it's a lot of democrats looking for anything and everything they can to pin on him and make him look worse than he makes himself look.

The slow response wasn't his really his fault, it was FEMA's because that's who is supposed to respond to stuff like that and it was also the Governor of Louisiana's fault because they waited a week before asking for federal help.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
True, but the heat he's getting from the shitty response is his fault. Actually...The chain of command for major disasters goes like this:

Mayor: It's the mayor's responsibility to assess the situation and act first, utilizing the police force, and other city agencies...Usually taking on the responsibilty of taking preventative measures...Levies should have been reinforced, cities evacuated (mandatorially), power stations shut down to avoid fires, electrocution, and more potential damage, etcetera...No preventative measures were taken in this case....SO, then it would be the mayor's responsibility to act AFTER the fact, helping to evacuate people, securing the city, etcetera...

When the task is too much for the mayor to handle, which understandably it CLEARLY was...The mayor then has to turn over the job to the...

Governor: The governor, once contacted by the mayor, would then have the SAME responsibilities as the mayor (before or after the disaster, depending on when he/she was contacted by the mayor)...But, he would have much more power and assistance (state agencies) at his disposal to do a more effective job...The governor failed to act appropriately, or he was simply contacted too late to be of much use...

If the governor cannot properly handle the situation...He then has to request help from the...

President/Government: The president is unable (by restriction of law, and the 'chain of command') to respond to a situation unless and until assistance is requested from the governor...His hands are tied, until a formal request is made...In this case, that request took way too long, and seriously delayed action...

Once the President/Government's assistance IS finally requested, the president has EVERY agency at his disposable...Including the military and FEMA, among others....In this case, FEMA was overwhelmed with the responsibility of handling the task, their 'assistance' was woefully inadequate...And again, much too little, much too late

The ONLY thing that the President CAN do without a request, is declare an area as a 'natural disaster' which is necessary to achieve funding for, and acquire assistance (including the military, FEMA, etcetera) for the area....In THIS case...Bush declared the area as a natural disaster BEFORE the hurricane even hit, so that when the time came, everything would be ready to send out forces, and try to do as much as possible as soon as possible...But, he still had to wait for that request from the governor before he could act...That HAD to be frustrating...Government red tape had SO much to do with the slow, ineffective response...


I'm not sharing any opinions here (except that it had to be frustrating, and it was all too little, too late)...I'm not bashing OR defending anyone....I'm only trying to inform everyone of the 'chain of command'

[AUSTIN316426808]

OK, you're right it's FEMA's fault. I'm not one of those people who just throw all blame on Bush, I actually find it rather ridiculous that people can think that every problem an entire country has is one mans fault who for the most part can't do anything with out consent. And I'd like to add that I don't blame the mayor for anything.

[meetthecreeper]

I dont have a link to the article, but I can sum it up pretty well.

The federal gummit had given money to the state of La. that was earmarked to be used for repairs and reinforcements of the levies in New Orleans.

In true Chicago democrat fashion or Republican governor of Illinois fashion if you prefer, lets face it theyre all fuckin crooks, used that money to buy a 2002 Crown Victoria, a trenchcoat and umbrella from LLBean, send a bunch of politicos to Germany and a whole host of other things.

As usual when blame time comes no one accepts it and just points the finger at someone else.

Mayor Nagin has NO exp. in politics and Gov. Blanco looked like a deer in the headlites before the federallies came in to save the day.

There is a chain of command and a chain of where the blame should be laid. I think the answers are obvious.

[AUSTIN316426808]

The reason why I don't put that much blame on the mayor is because Friday night it was a cat2-3 with only a 20% chance of hitting New Orleans(we've had hurricanes with an 85% chance miss). Then Saturday afternoon it was a cat4 with the eye heading directly for us, he ordered the evacuation Sunday morning. Even if he would've done it at the moment of discovering the new info on the storm I don't think it would've mattered much because for the most part everyone that could get out did and the people left behind either didn't want to go(even though I do, it's hard to feel sorry for 'em) or couldn't go. Is there blame to be put on him? yes, but not that much imo, certainly not as much as the governor or feds.

[MichaelMyers]

If national officials are incapable of rising to the occasion, the responsibility and duty of local officials goes beyond simply pointing that out.

[meetthecreeper]

its not up to the national authority to solve the problem. It starts at the local level and then goes up from there.

IMO I wouldnt depend on the gummit to do a damn thing. Like I have said before, ever deal with the gummit for anything????

Subject: Yes Mr. Gummit I need help.

Gummit: OK fill out this form in triplicate, then go stand in that line over there.

Subject: I dont have a pen.

Gummit: The line to fill out a form to get a pen is over there.

Subject: How do I fill out a form to get a pen if I dont have one to fill it out??

Gummit: Sir dont take that tone with me. I am going to lunch. Back in 2 hours.

[MoonLit Meadow]

I think the time for finger pointing and pinning the blame on individuals, state gov., fed. gov is over. Mistakes were made...most of which were probably preventable. However, now that we're aware of what went wrong...let's learn from the mistakes which were made to ensure that something like this doesn't happen again.

To be honest, it shouldn't have happened....not after 9/11...we should be more prepared for attacks on our homeland, whether it be because of a terrorist or a hurricane. I'm angered by what occured, and also pretty concerned about the message our un-preparedness sends to other countries, terrorists, and most importantly...the citizens of the United States.

However, we can't turn back time and change what occurred. Expending energy fighting over whose to blame does no good after a while...that energy should be spent righting the wrongs...making things better now.

There is alot of good that is being done to help the people of New Orleans and the surrounding areas...it seems to get over-shadowed by all of the bad.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by MoonLit Meadow

There is alot of good that is being done to help the people of New Orleans and the surrounding areas...it seems to get over-shadowed by all of the bad.


That's because there's far more bad than good.

Have you ever considered writting speeches? No offense but you sounded just like a politician.

[meetthecreeper]

And on another note.


I just heard on the radio that the debit cards that the Red Cross handed out were being used in a strip club in Atlanta.

Cograts Hellboy, you just gave someone 350 lapdances.


Glad to see that those donations are being put to good use.
:rolleyes:

Handout is what you get fron the government, a handup is what you get from a friend.

[MoonLit Meadow]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
That's because there's far more bad than good.

Have you ever considered writting speeches? No offense but you sounded just like a politician.

You're right...there's definately been more bad than good going on...I agree with that completely. I just think that the focus should now be on what good IS being done...or what CAN be done...rather than to keep focusing on all the negative.

And no....I've never considered writing speeches or getting involved in politics...I'm a moral person ;):p

[MoonLit Meadow]

Originally posted by meetthecreeper

Cograts Hellboy, you just gave someone 350 lapdances.


Glad to see that those donations are being put to good use.
:rolleyes:


I'm not so sure that's fair....isolated incidents like that are always going to occur...there are plenty of good people, however, that will put the money given to them to good use.

I get what you're saying...but Hellboy and anybody else who donates to a charitable cause goes into it with the best intentions...I think he can feel secure in the fact that at least HE did the right thing...

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by MoonLit Meadow
You're right...there's definately been more bad than good going on...I agree with that completely. I just think that the focus should now be on what good IS being done...or what CAN be done...rather than to keep focusing on all the negative.


If you take focus off of it then it'll just continue to happen, by keeping focus on it the government is forced to speed up to make themselves look better.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by meetthecreeper
And on another note.


I just heard on the radio that the debit cards that the Red Cross handed out were being used in a strip club in Atlanta.

Cograts Hellboy, you just gave someone 350 lapdances.


Glad to see that those donations are being put to good use.
:rolleyes:

Handout is what you get fron the government, a handup is what you get from a friend.

Well there's already been people arrested for fraud, for impersonating an evacuee and attempting to collect funding. Of course I'm not saying that's all of 'em, I'm sure there are just some people who are going to blow the money.