if you could get away with it

[vamp1666]

if you could get away with something what would it be

[BexTC]

Either kill someone I hate or rob a bank... thats a hard one.

[vamp1666]

im sure that if you really think about it there could be a lot of fun to be had out there

[The_Return]

Hmmm...good question.

Maybe Id post in the wrong forum?

[slasherman]

Horror.com General Forum

[Marroe]

Uhm, anything.

[RavageRitual]

probobly rob a bank, need money, with these gas prices.

[bwind22]

I'd punch that guy from Creed right in his fucking face. Then I'd run over Linkin Park. Then I'd rip out Ashlee Simpsons vocal chords. Then I'd go home, smoke a bowl and watch some Simpsons.


But this is in the wrong forum.

[RoLLiNLiGhTs]

Originally posted by vamp1666
if you could get away with something what would it be
...Jump through time and space, and be able to go back in time and come back to the present...;) :D

[The_Return]

Originally posted by RoLLiNLiGhTs
...Jump through time and space, and be able to go back in time and come back to the present...;) :D

I thibk you killed my braiin...

[RoLLiNLiGhTs]

Originally posted by The_Return
I thibk you killed my braiin...
...LOL!! Sorry bout that...;) :D :p

[ItsAlive75]

Make a bunch of hobo house slaves.

[SPLATTERGORIA]

Killing a lot of people.

[novakru]

I'd drive to a certain somewhere and do certain somethings with a certain somebody

[RoLLiNLiGhTs]

Originally posted by novakru
I'd drive to a certain somewhere and do certain somethings with a certain somebody
...When should I expect you? LOL!!!;) :D

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by novakru
I'd drive to a certain somewhere and do certain somethings with a certain somebody LOL...Same here...But...I'd have to fly...Or..Row a boat or something:D





OH...And I can think of a couple of people that this world would be better off without...So...If I definitely wouldn't get caught, I'm pretty sure that I would achieve immense pleasure from committing such a public service ;)

[novakru]

Originally posted by RoLLiNLiGhTs
...When should I expect you? LOL!!!;) :D

lmao

Of course your first thought would be some kind of demented sick sexual chained to the wall with leather and....stuff

I was thinking of something COMPLETELY different.

[zwoti]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
LOL...Same here...But...I'd have to fly...Or..Row a boat or something:D



can't you just drive to canada :p

[novakru]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
LOL...Same here...But...I'd have to fly...Or..Row a boat or something:D





OH...And I can think of a couple of people that this world would be better off without...So...If I definitely wouldn't get caught, I'm pretty sure that I would achieve immense pleasure from committing such a public service ;)
SEE?>SEE?

BR is thinking murder right off the bat-you guys are all insane-I'm leaving(huff,stomps out all indignation-like)

Oh wait-that's why I'm here-I get ALONG with all of you!!

heehee-silly me

[RoLLiNLiGhTs]

Originally posted by novakru
lmao

Of course your first thought would be some kind of demented sick sexual chained to the wall with leather and....stuff

I was thinking of something COMPLETELY different.
K....;) :D

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by novakru
Of course your first thought would be some kind of demented sick sexual chained to the wall with leather and....stuff

I was thinking of something COMPLETELY different. HaHa...Actually that was pretty damned close to what I was thinking.....Well, in the FIRST part of my post anyway...hehOriginally posted by zwoti
can't you just drive to canada :p Hush you:)

Originally posted by novakru
SEE?>SEE?

BR is thinking murder right off the bat-you guys are all insane-I'm leaving(huff,stomps out all indignation-like)

What?...I was talking about community service...Doing a favor for my fellow man...Giving a little 'something back', ya know?...I'm just a humanitarian that way ...*looks innocent......well....TRIES to*....:D

[novakru]

I believe you,really,truly.

I was talking about......Trees,and somebody helping me....to....save an important Tree of that state

Yeah-The State Tree

It's...in danger

from LOGGERS
and beavers

[zwoti]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
*looks innocent......well....TRIES to*....:D

http://punkesito.com.ar/caritas/giggle.gif

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by zwoti
http://punkesito.com.ar/caritas/giggle.gif Hey!...I could do it......maybe.......well.......if I tried.....really hard......I mean...if I WANTED to...really bad.....Ummm...Okay...maybe not....





lol

[zwoti]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Hey!...I could do it......maybe.......well.......if I tried.....really hard......I mean...if I WANTED to...really bad.....Ummm...Okay...maybe not....





lol

whatever next, you in a white dress taking a stroll in the park......





....in the daytime http://img117.exs.cx/img117/5601/n1qshok.gif

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by zwoti
whatever next, you in a white dress taking a stroll in the park......

....in the daytime http://img117.exs.cx/img117/5601/n1qshok.gif LMAO.....Okay, Smarty...I'm gonna look through my pictures in this computer and see if I can find one that looks kinda innocent...I'm sure I can find at least ONE.....

[bloodrayne]

AHA!!!!.....I found a pic in which I look COMPLETELY innocent..........I WIN!!!!



I had to go back a little ways tho...

[DraculaInDallas]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
AHA!!!!.....I found a pic in which I look COMPLETELY innocent..........I WIN!!!!



I had to go back a little ways tho...

LMAO!!!!!!! I don't know about innocent, that looks like a femur bone you're holding there Missy!!!!!!!! :eek: :D

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by DraculaInDallas
LMAO!!!!!!! I don't know about innocent, that looks like a femur bone you're holding there Missy!!!!!!!! :eek: :D Yeah...It is...You certainly have a good eye...


Actually, the leg was all I could get...My Grandpa wouldn't let me have the head, cuz he said it was too messy:D

[bwind22]

Okay at first glance, I thought you looked kinda innocent there. Then I noticed that you were holding what looked to be the appendage of a dead animal in your arms. Then I scrolled down to find out I was right... Yikes!

I no longer think that picture seems all that innocent at all.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by bwind22
Okay at first glance, I thought you looked kinda innocent there. Then I noticed that you were holding what looked to be the appendage of a dead animal in your arms. Then I scrolled down to find out I was right... Yikes!

I no longer think that picture seems all that innocent at all. Would it help if I told you I was trying to rock it to sleep?.....Now, dontcha just wanna say, "Awwww" ?....lol

[Haunted]

Rayne...innocent...HAW!

Okay, here's what I would do...

I'd sneak aboard an airplane heading to Galway, Ireland. Then, I'd make my way to New Grange and set up big bbq grills and have a the biggest party in honor of The Morrigu. I'd invite all my friends, even those that don't really believe in a higher power. There'd be delicious food, delicious drinks, smokie-smokie, good music (a little something for/from everyone). In Her name, we'd party our asses off.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Haunted
Rayne...innocent...HAW!

Okay, here's what I would do...

I'd sneak aboard an airplane heading to Galway, Ireland. Then, I'd make my way to New Grange and set up big bbq grills and have a the biggest party in honor of The Morrigu. I'd invite all my friends, even those that don't really believe in a higher power. There'd be delicious food, delicious drinks, smokie-smokie, good music (a little something for/from everyone). In Her name, we'd party our asses off.

Who is The Morrigu and what kinda smokie smokie does he/she puff? I dont know about this higher power business, but I'm always ready for a good party.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Would it help if I told you I was trying to rock it to sleep?.....Now, dontcha just wanna say, "Awwww" ?....lol

.......yeahhhh..... That's exactly what it makes me want to say. lol

[Zombee]

I would love to kick my bosses ass..It would have to be at work in front of my peers. And they would cheer me along, he would then leave a bloody mess crying and ashamed..Pathetic huh...?

[Haunted]

Originally posted by bwind22
Who is The Morrigu and what kinda smokie smokie does he/she puff? I dont know about this higher power business, but I'm always ready for a good party.

The Morrigu is the SUPREME GODDESS. I mean:rolleyes: that's what I believe. (Rolling eyes because I had to say, "That's what I believe." Had to be tolerant and shit). Anyway, She's not necessarily a smoker, but if I can get away with smoking refer, in this instance, I would....smoke myself into oblivion, just like my days at uni. I mean, it's not really a party unless you've got some Northern Lights, right? Oh, and since this is fantasy, I'm going to be really cool and say that this is not BYOB or BYOP. I'd supply the party favors. 'Tis what a good hostess does, no?

Praise the Goddess and pass the weed!

[Kemal]

I would act out the car chase scene in The Blues Brothers.

[bloodrayne]

I just thought of a good one (inspired by a thread in 'True Crimes')


If I could truly do anything I wanted to and get away with it...I would form a coalition of parents to help me eradicate ALL of the pedophiles from the face of the earth...We'd only be protecting our children, right?...That shouldn't be a crime...



As for the people who say "They need counselling/They can be reformed/etcetera"....I have a couple of questions for you.....If you find women sexually attractive, can any amount of counselling/psychoanalysis bullshit, make you STOP?.....If you find men sexually attractive, can ANYTHING make you stop wanting them or having sex with them?...



Pedophiles are sexually attracted to children, they will not stop wanting to have sex with them, and they will not stop HAVING sex with them whenever the opportunity arises....No matter what anyone tries to do to 'help' them...........Either lock them up forever, away from anyone they can hurt, gather them all up and let them live together on some far away island, where they can only molest each other (my mother's idea)......OR get rid of them...


The simplest way to solve a problem is to remove it.......These 'people' have a problem...They are fucked in the head......So...Simply remove their heads......:) Problem solved



Hey...It's a hell of a lot cheaper than housing and feeding them for years, while spending millions of dollars to 'counsel' them....Especially when the pedophiles THEMSELVES admit that they can't just stop doing it....If you ARE the kind of people that have that 'warm, fuzzy, wanna help the poor child molesters' mentality, you'd be doing THEM a favor too by ending their pathetic lives...



Damn...That turned out to be a rather long rant....I think that most (if not ALL) people that have children, probably feel just as strongly about this...

[Deposable]

This might sound alittle harsh. But I would blow up all the red states. And if your left wing and live in a red states, its time to move out. I want nothing to do with you all you redneck idiots. :cool:

[Kinski's Ghost]

Originally posted by Kemal
I would act out the car chase scene in The Blues Brothers.

I'd do that too...but after robbing a couple banks first.

[novakru]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
I just thought of a good one (inspired by a thread in 'True Crimes')


If I could truly do anything I wanted to and get away with it...I would form a coalition of parents to help me eradicate ALL of the pedophiles from the face of the earth...We'd only be protecting our children, right?...That shouldn't be a crime...



As for the people who say "They need counselling/They can be reformed/etcetera"....I have a couple of questions for you.....If you find women sexually attractive, can any amount of counselling/psychoanalysis bullshit, make you STOP?.....If you find men sexually attractive, can ANYTHING make you stop wanting them or having sex with them?...



Pedophiles are sexually attracted to children, they will not stop wanting to have sex with them, and they will not stop HAVING sex with them whenever the opportunity arises....No matter what anyone tries to do to 'help' them...........Either lock them up forever, away from anyone they can hurt, gather them all up and let them live together on some far away island, where they can only molest each other (my mother's idea)......OR get rid of them...


The simplest way to solve a problem is to remove it.......These 'people' have a problem...They are fucked in the head......So...Simply remove their heads......:) Problem solved



Hey...It's a hell of a lot cheaper than housing and feeding them for years, while spending millions of dollars to 'counsel' them....Especially when the pedophiles THEMSELVES admit that they can't just stop doing it....If you ARE the kind of people that have that 'warm, fuzzy, wanna help the poor child molesters' mentality, you'd be doing THEM a favor too by ending their pathetic lives...



Damn...That turned out to be a rather long rant....I think that most (if not ALL) people that have children, probably feel just as strongly about this...


I do not think any parent would have a problem if they brought back hangings or better yet, be-headings of these .....creatures.

[novakru]

That just made me remember something.
In that old thread thread about 3 wishes...
I wished to have super powers,and I was thinking, that's what I would use my powers for....to eradicate pedophiles.

[AUSTIN316426808]

I'd obtain ownership of the Saints from Tom Benson.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally posted by vamp1666
if you could get away with something what would it be

is the answer "kill everyone?"

fuck, this is hard...

[ThePhantom]

I would love to take a shovel and beat Bush in the face a few thousand times

[RoLLiNLiGhTs]

Originally posted by ThePhantom
I would love to take a shovel and beat Bush in the face a few thousand times
...Nice...:p

[ThePhantom]

Almost forgot, after beating him in the face a few thousand times I would then take the handle and shove it up his ass and then ask him how he likes being fucked in the ass like he is doing the people of the United States.:D

[RoLLiNLiGhTs]

Originally posted by ThePhantom
Almost forgot, after beating him in the face a few thousand times I would then take the handle and shove it up his ass and then ask him how he likes being fucked in the ass like he is doing the people of the United States.:D
...Very Nice...:D

[Zombee]

I dont hate Bush I think he was a better pick than Kerry...He is a bit of a cowboy but I think he loves the country and its people. As for bashing the face of a celebrity/politician ...Bill Maher !!! God I would love to pummell that puke. I cannot stand his rat faced, pertentious ass. He disgusts me.

[ThePhantom]

Originally posted by Zombee
I dont hate Bush I think he was a better pick than Kerry...He is a bit of a cowboy but I think he loves the country and its people. As for bashing the face of a celebrity/politician ...Bill Maher !!! God I would love to pummell that puke. I cannot stand his rat faced, pertentious ass. He disgusts me.

I don't care I would still like to beat the shit out of him anyways.

Bush a cowboy, Hell he isn't even from Texas. He is more like a fucking retard. No, he doesnt love this country he loves the money he makes off of this country

[RoLLiNLiGhTs]

Originally posted by ThePhantom
I don't care I would still like to beat the shit out of him anyways.

Bush a cowboy, Hell he isn't even from Texas. He is more like a fucking retard. No, he doesnt love this country he loves the money he makes off of this country :D

[ThePhantom]

:D :cool:

[Haunted]

Originally posted by Kemal
I would act out the car chase scene in The Blues Brothers.

That's pretty cool. What I remember most about that event was the two Nazis getting creamed.

[ChEEbA]

I'd fucking kill you.
But I couldn't let MYSELF get away with it, you squeeling little bastard.


































































...Fucking guinea pig...

[Katrina]

Steal a basket of muffins and then dump them right down on passing people on the street! xD

[Deposable]

Originally posted by ThePhantom
I don't care I would still like to beat the shit out of him anyways.

Bush a cowboy, Hell he isn't even from Texas. He is more like a fucking retard. No, he doesnt love this country he loves the money he makes off of this country

Now that is perfect. How about we make him eat his own shit first ? before we take the shove to his face ?

Originally posted by Zombee
I dont hate Bush I think he was a better pick than Kerry...He is a bit of a cowboy but I think he loves the country and its people. As for bashing the face of a celebrity/politician ...Bill Maher !!! God I would love to pummell that puke. I cannot stand his rat faced, pertentious ass. He disgusts me.

If you could give me ONE reason why Bush would be a better president then Kerry. Loving your country don't mean you send troops off to die for no REAL reason. Or the people affected by Katrina out without Food & Water, while you take good picture with the press "looking busy". Fuck BUSH, he can only be compared to Hilter.

yeah I hate Bill Maher, I would love to punch him right in the nose and wipe that stupid grin off his face.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally posted by ThePhantom
I would love to take a shovel and beat Bush in the face a few thousand times

You know how tired and sweaty you'd be after hitting someone with a shovel a thousand times? I'd go for a dozen or so shots and then just slice open his jugular. ;)

[noctuary]

Well, a violent assault on our dear leader is an obvious choice. What I'd really like to do, however, is to travel back in time and stop Gwen Stefani from making that awful, awful "Hollaback Girl" song. By any means necessary. It comes on what seems like a thousand times a day on the radio at work, and on particularly stressful nights, I've felt like I was really about to snap if I heard it one more time.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Let me hear you say this shit is bananas
B-A-N-A-N-A-S

[RoLLiNLiGhTs]

Originally posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X
Let me hear you say this shit is bananas
B-A-N-A-N-A-S
...Lmao!!!;) :D

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Deposable
Now that is perfect. How about we make him eat his own shit first ? before we take the shove to his face ?



If you could give me ONE reason why Bush would be a better president then Kerry. Loving your country don't mean you send troops off to die for no REAL reason. Or the people affected by Katrina out without Food & Water, while you take good picture with the press "looking busy". Fuck BUSH, he can only be compared to Hilter.

yeah I hate Bill Maher, I would love to punch him right in the nose and wipe that stupid grin off his face.

Kerry couldnt have done anything differently in New Orleans. It was FEMA's slow response, not Bushs. The President can't just order them in to action, there are legislative steps (red tape) that must be taken for something like that to occur.

Was it a pathetic, sickening, wrongfully slow response? Hell yes it was. Was it George Bush's fault? Um, no. Does our entire system need an overhaul? Fuck yeah it does. I've been saying that since I was old enough to notice how fucked up things are.

As for the Hitler comparison, I'm hoping you're joking because if you're not, that's a bit naive. Hitler killed 12 million Jews in cold blood. Bush's bodycount in Iraq isn't even a blip on the radar compared to that. (Or even a blip on the radar compared to the amount of people their suppressive tyrannical leader Saddam Hussein killed while in office, for that matter.) Hussein is much closer to Hitler than Bush, but even he is nowhere near Hitler's bodycount.

If Kerry was in office right now, there's no reason he would have been able to respond any quicker in New Orleans because, like I said, it was all the red tape they got caught up in. It's not like Bush was just sitting around with his feet up waiting for the right time to send help, it was beyond his control.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by bwind22
Kerry couldnt have done anything differently in New Orleans. It was FEMA's slow response, not Bushs. The President can't just order them in to action, there are legislative steps (red tape) that must be taken for something like that to occur.

Was it a pathetic, sickening, wrongfully slow response? Hell yes it was. Was it George Bush's fault? Um, no. Does our entire system need an overhaul? Fuck yeah it does. I've been saying that since I was old enough to notice how fucked up things are.

As for the Hitler comparison, I'm hoping you're joking because if you're not, that's a bit naive. Hitler killed 12 million Jews in cold blood. Bush's bodycount in Iraq isn't even a blip on the radar compared to that. (Or even a blip on the radar compared to the amount of people their suppressive tyrannical leader Saddam Hussein killed while in office, for that matter.) Hussein is much closer to Hitler than Bush, but even he is nowhere near Hitler's bodycount.

If Kerry was in office right now, there's no reason he would have been able to respond any quicker in New Orleans because, like I said, it was all the red tape they got caught up in. It's not like Bush was just sitting around with his feet up waiting for the right time to send help, it was beyond his control.

And yes, Bill Maher is smug little asshole that needs to get beat down.

[Deposable]

Originally posted by bwind22
Kerry couldnt have done anything differently in New Orleans. It was FEMA's slow response, not Bushs. The President can't just order them in to action, there are legislative steps (red tape) that must be taken for something like that to occur.

Was it a pathetic, sickening, wrongfully slow response? Hell yes it was. Was it George Bush's fault? Um, no. Does our entire system need an overhaul? Fuck yeah it does. I've been saying that since I was old enough to notice how fucked up things are.

As for the Hitler comparison, I'm hoping you're joking because if you're not, that's a bit naive. Hitler killed 12 million Jews in cold blood. Bush's bodycount in Iraq isn't even a blip on the radar compared to that. (Or even a blip on the radar compared to the amount of people their suppressive tyrannical leader Saddam Hussein killed while in office, for that matter.) Hussein is much closer to Hitler than Bush, but even he is nowhere near Hitler's bodycount.

If Kerry was in office right now, there's no reason he would have been able to respond any quicker in New Orleans because, like I said, it was all the red tape they got caught up in. It's not like Bush was just sitting around with his feet up waiting for the right time to send help, it was beyond his control.

All the facts aren't out yet about New Orleans and why everything went wrong. But All I know is that people fucked up... bad. Aid wasn't even out fast enough, Buses weren't decoyed. Just like how the pre 9/11 information was disregarded, so was all the information about Katrina. All the politicians did was talk,talk,talk,talk, and didn't do shit when it happen. While Bush is posing for photo Ops when people are starving. We can drop food to the Iraqi families but not too poor black families ? We can't deny race didn't have something to do with this.

Bush was where when this happen ? Fucking Vacation again! Yeah. I am sure heads are going to roll for this :rolleyes: but its little too late to be firing people when the damage is done.

Bush has exploited all the people that died in 9/11 for a cause of War. 9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq. yeah, "Fight them over there, so we don't have to face them at home". That’s why we are all so scared still, 4 years after the attacks. Lets send my generation to the dead, and if I speak against the war. I am un-American and don't support the troop. Supporting the troops is wanting them home and safe with their family!

Maybe The Hitler comment is... little to much, but not in my eyes. We only see the damage that is present, the future toll will prove much greater. Trust me

If Kerry was in office, all I know is that we wouldn't be in a unjust war. Would New Orleans look different ? We won't know.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Deposable
All the facts aren't out yet about New Orleans and why everything went wrong. But All I know is that people fucked up... bad. Aid wasn't even out fast enough, Buses weren't decoyed. Just like how the pre 9/11 information was disregarded, so was all the information about Katrina. All the politicians did was talk,talk,talk,talk, and didn't do shit when it happen. While Bush is posing for photo Ops when people are starving. We can drop food to the Iraqi families but not too poor black families ? We can't deny race didn't have something to do with this.

Bush was where when this happen ? Fucking Vacation again! Yeah. I am sure heads are going to roll for this :rolleyes: but its little too late to be firing people when the damage is done.

Bush has exploited all the people that died in 9/11 for a cause of War. 9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq. yeah, "Fight them over there, so we don't have to face them at home". That’s why we are all so scared still, 4 years after the attacks. Lets send my generation to the dead, and if I speak against the war. I am un-American and don't support the troop. Supporting the troops is wanting them home and safe with their family!

Maybe The Hitler comment is... little to much, but not in my eyes. We only see the damage that is present, the future toll will prove much greater. Trust me

If Kerry was in office, all I know is that we wouldn't be in a unjust war. Would New Orleans look different ? We won't know.

Iraq had no connection to 9-11. Iraq had no WMD. Iraq has no ties to al-Qaida. The motives for us being over there are pretty clouded and no one really knows why we're there because we only know the tip of the iceberg that the media tells us about.

All of that being said, the citizens of Iraq are better off right now than they were 3 years ago. Women's rights have dramatically increased, little girls are now allowed to attend school, no one has to live in fear that they will be killed for spekaing out against their tyrant leader and they elected their own government and are getting there in terms of writing up a consititution.

So are we in Iraq for questionable reasons? Yep. Are they better off because we're there? It's matter of opinion, but I'd say they are.

I am not a democrat or a republican. I just cant really tolerate politicians, in general. So if this sounds like I'm defending Bush, that's not really it. I just don't like how people with partisan agendas automatically point the finger at the opposing party for everything that goes wrong.

P.S. Fuck terrorists. I'm not living in fear of those faggots.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by bwind22
Iraq had no connection to 9-11. But...Iraq had ties to Bin Laden (thru Al-Quaida), And Bin Laden was involved in 9-11Originally posted by bwind22
Iraq had no WMD. Not that WE were able to find, no...BUT, they DID have them (chemical weapons) when Saddam used them against his own people...We could not have foreseen that they would not still be there, or would be moved or destroyed after we began looking for them (I STILL say, "look in Syria") Originally posted by bwind22
Iraq has no ties to al-Qaida. Baby Doll, Iraq is STILL full of Al-Quaida...Saddam helped to fund and protect them...




I just wanted to point that out :)

[bwind22]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
But...Iraq had ties to Bin Laden (thru Al-Quaida), And Bin Laden was involved in 9-11 Not that WE were able to find, no...BUT, they DID have them (chemical weapons) when Saddam used them against his own people...We could not have foreseen that they would not still be there, or would be moved or destroyed after we began looking for them (I STILL say, "look in Syria") Baby Doll, Iraq is STILL full of Al-Quaida...Saddam helped to fund and protect them...


I just wanted to point that out :)

You know I respect you, but I have to politely disagree here. al-Qaida and the Bathe party hate each other. Saddam and the Bathe Party don't have any ties to bin Laden or al-Qaida. The US hired bin Laden during Gulf 1 to try to kill Saddam for us. We even gave al-Qaida the weapons and training to do it. (Hindsight being 20/20 that probably wasn't our best move.)

Like you, I also believe the WMDs exist (I think they are probably in Iran or Syria as well.) but we gave the world like 6 weeks notice before going in to Iraq so there was plenty of time for them to be relocated. I'm pretty sure the US government could have seen that coming because I did and I dont have the CIA's access to info.

al-Qaida is in Iraq now because that's where we are. They weren't there when we went in and there are no ties between Hussein and al-Qaida in terms of 9-11. (According to the report filed by the 9/11 Commission at least.) Saddam hasn't ever funded al-Qaida, like I said... It was just about a decade ago that we hired al-Qaida to kill Saddam. I have never seen anything other than individual's speculation to signify any sort of partnership between those two organizations. (Why would they even need his money? Bin Laden's got plenty of cash.)

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by bwind22
(Why would they even need his money? Bin Laden's got plenty of cash.)

His assets were frozen after 9-11.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
His assets were frozen after 9-11.

Buuuurn!

[Deposable]

Originally posted by bwind22
All of that being said, the citizens of Iraq are better off right now than they were 3 years ago. Women's rights have dramatically increased, little girls are now allowed to attend school, no one has to live in fear that they will be killed for spekaing out against their tyrant leader and they elected their own government and are getting there in terms of writing up a consititution.

That first comment is very debatable. Most of Iraq only gets 4 hours of electric power a day at the most. Clean water is very rare. I ain't saying we aren't doing a good job, but the Iraqis citizens are more against each other then ever. Also, no one can prove we could HOLD a stable government after we leave.

You think Iraq wants a government like ours? When most of our own citizens don't trust/believe our government.

We have enough trouble defending our own constitution with people bending gun laws.

I think people have forgot we are after Al-Qaida/Bin Laden. Now our plan is FREE Iraq. Fuck Iraq, we came them guns 20 years ago to fight the Russians and now they are using them on us.

Right wing - Left wing. Both are crooks. But when I compare one evil to another. Left wing doesn't look like a bunch of Nazis

[Kemal]

The bodies are still in the water and already people are lusting to blame someone.

Aid wasn't even out fast enough, Buses weren't decoyed. Just like how the pre 9/11 information was disregarded, so was all the information about Katrina.

Was it the Federal Government's job to evacuate the city? Would it have been legal for the feds to order a forcible evacuation themselves? No and no.

And by the way, George Bush personally called the Governor before the storm and asked her to implement a mandatory evacuation:

http://www.nola.com/newsflash/louisiana/index.ssf?base/news-18/1125239940201382.xml&storylist=louisiana

And not only that, he declared the area a federal disaster area before the hurricane hit, which is rare:

http://journalstar.com/articles/2005/08/29/nation/doc43125e1a2fc27674813970.txt

You might want to read that second one there, if you're so convinced that George Bush just twiddled his thumbs as the hurricane bore down on us.

All the politicians did was talk,talk,talk,talk, and didn't do shit when it happen.

See above.

Disaster relief is not like ordering a pizza, especially when roads and infrastructure are wiped out.

While Bush is posing for photo Ops when people are starving. We can drop food to the Iraqi families but not too poor black families ?

So do you want to just fly over the flooded city shoving pallets of MRE's out of the back of a C-130 and hope they land near the right people?

Bush was where when this happen ? Fucking Vacation again! Yeah. I am sure heads are going to roll for this but its little too late to be firing people when the damage is done.

Here you are talking to people around the world on the internet. Do you seriously believe that the president of the United States doesn't have the ability to communicate with his subordinates from his home?

Bush has exploited all the people that died in 9/11 for a cause of War. 9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq.


Not directly, but that's a different subject.

Lets send my generation to the dead,


This generation's military consists of volunteers.

and if I speak against the war.I am un-American and don't support the troop.

Nobody said that.


Maybe The Hitler comment is... little to much, but not in my eyes.

Your Hitler comment is a staggering insult to everyone who suffered through Hitler's horror. The closest parallels to Hitler today times are people like Saddam Hussein and Slobodan Molosevic, both of whom the US helped bring down.

We only see the damage that is present, the future toll will prove much greater. Trust me

And what about the toll that Saddam Hussein would have exacted? And what about the economic sanctions, which would have remained in place?

If Kerry was in office, all I know is that we wouldn't be in a unjust war. Would New Orleans look different ? We won't know.

You think Kerry would have pulled out of Iraq by now? I doubt that. That would be the biggest mistake we could make and he knows it, rhetoric aside.

And if Kerry was president, and he was acting as George Bush is in response to the hurricane, I would be defending him too. As General Honore said recently, "If we're stuck on blame, then we're stuck on stupid."

[Deposable]

You can take my comments out of context, which aren't directed at you. In any matter, and post YOUR own opinion.

For more refer to my last post about the War. And as I said before, all the facts aren't out about Katrina, but if you think George Bush did everything right... that says a lot your opinions.

Also, How does comparing George Bush to Hilter. Insult anyone from "Hitler's horror". I couldn't think of another figure like Bush to compare him too, besides that comparison has been made before. We only count american losses and not the iraqi loss since the war. Yes, The republican party does remind me of Hilters army at times.

"You think Kerry would have pulled out of Iraq by now?"

If George bush was never in power. This war... and all MY generation would be home, protecting us AT home.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
His assets were frozen after 9-11.

And you actually believe that we froze all of his assets, huh? :rolleyes:

We froze some, but I'd be willing to bet we barely scratched the surface simply because we have no idea where all of his assets are at. Bin Laden has plenty of cash at his disposal...

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by bwind22
And you actually believe that we froze all of his assets, huh? :rolleyes:

We froze some, but I'd be willing to bet we barely scratched the surface simply because we have no idea where all of his assets are at. Bin Laden has plenty of cash at his disposal...


Well if you have ''no idea'' then how can you be sure he's got plenty?

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Deposable
That first comment is very debatable. Most of Iraq only gets 4 hours of electric power a day at the most. Clean water is very rare. I ain't saying we aren't doing a good job, but the Iraqis citizens are more against each other then ever. Also, no one can prove we could HOLD a stable government after we leave.

You think Iraq wants a government like ours? When most of our own citizens don't trust/believe our government.

We have enough trouble defending our own constitution with people bending gun laws.

I think people have forgot we are after Al-Qaida/Bin Laden. Now our plan is FREE Iraq. Fuck Iraq, we came them guns 20 years ago to fight the Russians and now they are using them on us.

Right wing - Left wing. Both are crooks. But when I compare one evil to another. Left wing doesn't look like a bunch of Nazis

We aren't trying to make their government like ours in terms of a two party system or anything. We are giving the power to the people to decide for themselves. The only ones over there that are against us are the Bathe party and the foreign terrorists that just went there because that's where we were. I have family and friends serving in Iraq and Afghanistan right now and I can assure that, from what I've hear from someone who is standing in the middle of the desert right this second in harm's way, that the overwhelming majority or regular citizens are very greatful for what we are doing.

We aren't only after bin Laden and al-Qaida either. There is a war on terror and any nations that harbor terrorists, so it's not limited to only al-Qaida. And while I am still in complete agreement with you that our motives in Iraq are questionable, that still doesn't make al-Qaida the only group we are going after. Saddam Hussein was a terrorist, not neccesarily to us, but to his own people.


Right wing - Left wing. Both are crooks. But when I compare one evil to another. Left wing doesn't look like a bunch of Nazis

I am on the exact same page with you in regards to both parties being corrupt and crooked. I can't stand politicians. But since you are so concerned with partisonship and bin Laden, why don't you try this one on for size...

This was like 10-12 years ago. Sudan had him. They offered to hand him over to us. Bill Clinton declined the offer fearing political fallout. If any fingers are to be pointed in regards to not getting bin Laden when we should have, it's pointing directly at Slick Willy. He had him on a silver platter and he turned him down because he was too afraid of hurting his public image.

And then he goes and gets a BJ from a fat chick like that's good for his image.... :rolleyes:

We have enough trouble defending our own constitution with people bending gun laws.

This comment is totally out of left field and needs some clarification. (If you dont mind elaborating. I'm just not sure what specifically you are taling about.)

[bwind22]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Well if you have ''no idea'' then how can you be sure he's got plenty?

Well, he's a known multi-millionaire, as well as being the top terrorist operative in the world. If it was you, wouldn't you have your money spread out? I know I would. I'd have it in fifty different countries under fifty different names. I would think a Most Wanted terrorist millionaire would have the foresight to stash some money away before flying planes into the US infrastructure.

[bloodrayne]

Wow...I have MUCH to answer to :)

Originally posted by bwind22
al-Qaida and the Bathe party hate each other. Saddam and the Bathe Party don't have any ties to bin Laden or al-QaidaAnd yet...Saddam had many of his own Bathe party members (mostly officials) executed....Saddam's only REAL loyalty was to HIMSELF.....Do you remember this incident?:

Saddam's daughter had a husband and children....Her husband was an official in the Bathe Party...Her husband decided that Saddam was dangerous and what he was doing was wrong (this was after he gassed over 6,000 of his own people)...He told his wife that he knew his views would get him killed, that he refused to participate in what was going on any longer, so he left the country...He begged his wife to go with him, but she was afraid of what her father would do to her and her children if she tried to leave (she was terrified of her own father...Of course, this was in a country where a father is responsible for cutting off the head of his daughter if she is believed to be 'impure')....Saddam had his sons track down the daughter's husband...The husband was told, "Father wants you to return...Our sister and your children need you...He (Saddam) has forgiven you, he would not harm you, you are family and he knows that his daughter and grandchildren need you"...There was LOTS of convincing and he (the husband) ended up falling for it....As soon as he returned to Iraq, he was beheaded by Saddam's oldest son, in front of his wife and children.....Saddam simply said, "No one betrays me"

It is difficult for us (most of us) to grasp the concept of such brutality and disloyalty.....In a country where you have no loyalty to anyone but yourself, the friend or foe lines are not so clearly drawn...They are VERY blurry, and subject to change on a whim....And so, Although the Bathe Party and Al-Qeida DID truly hate each other, 2 enemies WILL join forces against a common enemy, that is a universal fact (See Army Of Darkness...lol)...And America, particularly our way of life, is hated by almost all of the Middle East...They are raised from birth to believe that we are evil and immoral...

Originally posted by bwind22
The US hired bin Laden during Gulf 1 to try to kill Saddam for us. We even gave al-Qaida the weapons and training to do it. (Hindsight being 20/20 that probably wasn't our best move.)AND...During Clinton's administration, it was established that Bin Laden was NOT our ally...As we had gathered information that he was responsible for attacks against us BEFORE 9-11...Saudi Arabia had him in custody, they offered him to Clinton 3 times...He was apparently too busy to be bothered with such trivial matters as stopping terrorists...He didn't really see him as a threat...

There have been MANY times that we have tried to help people, provide them weapons and training, and have them turn on us and use it against us....That is not a new occurance, and I am pretty sure that it will continue to happen....We are generally a trusting people, that may be one of our biggest weaknesses (See Mars Attacks :D)

People and situations change...Allies become enemies, and vise-versa...

Originally posted by bwind22
Like you, I also believe the WMDs exist (I think they are probably in Iran or Syria as well.) but we gave the world like 6 weeks notice before going in to Iraq so there was plenty of time for them to be relocated. I'm pretty sure the US government could have seen that coming because I did and I dont have the CIA's access to info.Have you NO idea how arrogant we are as a country?...We broadcast our intentions all over the world before we do ANYTHING (VERY bad move...But, if we didn't do it, people would scream that they were being 'kept in the dark')....OUR media is one of the enemy's greatest weapons....We feel that we can overcome that breech, we expect them to just wait for us to implement our plans before they do anything...BUT, it's really no different than UN inspectors setting up APPOINTMENTS with them to inspect their weapons cache...Always guaranteeing them the opportunity to 'clean up' before inspectors arrive...Ridiculous

Originally posted by bwind22
al-Qaida is in Iraq now because that's where we are. They weren't there when we went in Al-Qeida has always been spread out in the Middle East...Although they are actually a relatively small faction (or they WERE until people starting joining them enmasse to 'bring down America')...Yet, they made certain that they remained visible as much as possible in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and even parts of Pakistan...This is a way for a small faction to appear larger than they actually are, as is claiming responsibilty (taking credit) for just about ANY terrorist attack (and even disasters that end up being proven to be accidents) perpetuated anywhere in the world, especially America.....And yes, they did descend upon Iraq in droves as soon as our troops arrived

Originally posted by bwind22
there are no ties between Hussein and al-Qaida in terms of 9-11. (According to the report filed by the 9/11 Commission at least.) I'm just going to disagree with that...I can DO that, as an American :)

Originally posted by bwind22
Saddam hasn't ever funded al-Qaida. (Why would they even need his money? Bin Laden's got plenty of cash.) Ever wonder where he GOT all of that money?...It couldn't have all come from his rich family...He had BILLIONS of dollars...Much more than his family's combined net worth...Sadly, some of his money came from US.....But, Saddam was willing to fund ANY faction that was hellbent on the destruction of America...Believe it or not, Saddam doesn't like us very much...heh

And Saddam had ridiculous amounts of money that he diverted from the Oil For Food program that was SUPPOSED to go to his people...The UN was responsible for overseeing that program, and making sure that the funds were distributed as intended, just as they were supposed to handle the weapons inspections...And people wonder why we do NOT have much faith in working with the UN...They have proven to be dangerously ineffective, on far too many occasions

And yes...Bin Laden needed money after his assets were frozen...No, I don't believe it was possible to locate ALL of his resources, BUT we even had a stranglehold on all of the assets of his family members as well...It HAD to restrict him quite a bit...


Your turn:)

[Deposable]

Originally posted by bwind22
We aren't trying to make their government like ours in terms of a two party system or anything. We are giving the power to the people to decide for themselves. The only ones over there that are against us are the Bathe party and the foreign terrorists that just went there because that's where we were. I have family and friends serving in Iraq and Afghanistan right now and I can assure that, from what I've hear from someone who is standing in the middle of the desert right this second in harm's way, that the overwhelming majority or regular citizens are very grateful for what we are doing.


No one can prove that the government will be stable after we leave... How long do we stay ? Sure... the toll isn't bad so far. But how about five years from now ? I don't want ANY troops dying for this cause that 60% of the nation doesn't believe in. We will always be the "BAD USA". I hope this works out because I don't want our soldiers to dye in vein, while our leader jokes with his buddy at his ranch... I will never support War, unless it 100% just. Look at Canada, man... They don't have half of the problems we have at all. Free Health care.. You could say they even have more freedom, then the "land of the free"

Originally posted by bwind22
This was like 10-12 years ago. Sudan had him. They offered to hand him over to us. Bill Clinton declined the offer fearing political fallout. If any fingers are to be pointed in regards to not getting bin Laden when we should have, it's pointing directly at Slick Willy. He had him on a silver platter and he turned him down because he was too afraid of hurting his public image.

I heard about that, It just makes me sick. Its unbelievable! But I have always voted for Nader. Wasted vote, but I say "what isn't ?"

Originally posted by bwind22
This comment is totally out of left field and needs some clarification. (If you don’t mind elaborating. I'm just not sure what specifically you are taking about.)

Some crazy fucks believe they have the right to have ANY gun ever made because of the 2nd amendment. You know, like we need a AK-47 to do hunting with :rolleyes:, they say hunting is a sport but there is no challenge in hunting. Unless you use a bow and arrow. The 2nd amendment was to up hold our government. Which is impossible because the police have full control of our society.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by bwind22
This was like 10-12 years ago. Sudan had him. They offered to hand him over to us. Bill Clinton declined the offer fearing political fallout. If any fingers are to be pointed in regards to not getting bin Laden when we should have, it's pointing directly at Slick Willy. He had him on a silver platter and he turned him down because he was too afraid of hurting his public image.

Oh...You already knew that..lol...Oh well..I mentioned it anyway :)


As for the rest of what you said (in this same post)...I agree 100%

And the REASON that "We aren't only after bin Laden and al-Qaida either. There is a war on terror and any nations that harbor terrorists, so it's not limited to only al-Qaida."...Is that we are trying to quell the HUGE amount of hatred and bloodlust for our destruction ALL OVER the Middle East, so that they will no longer be a threat (or as much of one) to us...We went after Saddam first, because he was one of the biggest perpetrators of the brutality, oppression and tyranny that causes the type of mentality that is dangerous for us....We were just cutting off the head of the snake, before we moved on to the rest of the body...That's the best tactical move in ANY war plan...

We also have to try to change the way these people are educated, so that eventually the children won't be taught and trained to kill us, throughout their entire childhoods...

In my opinion, North Korea is the next biggest threat (if not AS big a threat as Saddam)....Syria is up there, too...

[bwind22]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Wow...I have MUCH to answer to :)

And yet...Saddam had many of his own Bathe party members (mostly officials) executed....Saddam's only REAL loyalty was to HIMSELF.....Do you remember this incident?:

Saddam's daughter had a husband and children....Her husband was an official in the Bathe Party...Her husband decided that Saddam was dangerous and what he was doing was wrong (this was after he gassed over 6,000 of his own people)...He told his wife that he knew his views would get him killed, that he refused to participate in what was going on any longer, so he left the country...He begged his wife to go with him, but she was afraid of what her father would do to her and her children if she tried to leave (she was terrified of her own father...Of course, this was in a country where a father is responsible for cutting off the head of his daughter if she is believed to be 'impure')....Saddam had his sons track down the daughter's husband...The husband was told, "Father wants you to return...Our sister and your children need you...He (Saddam) has forgiven you, he would not harm you, you are family and he knows that his daughter and grandchildren need you"...There was LOTS of convincing and he (the husband) ended up falling for it....As soon as he returned to Iraq, he was beheaded by Saddam's oldest son, in front of his wife and children.....Saddam simply said, "No one betrays me"


Yes I remember this incident although I don't really see how it pertains to anything. What are you getting at? That Saddam is a cold motherfucker? We already know that.


It is difficult for us (most of us) to grasp the concept of such brutality and disloyalty.....In a country where you have no loyalty to anyone but yourself, the friend or foe lines are not so clearly drawn...They are VERY blurry, and subject to change on a whim....And so, Although the Bathe Party and Al-Qeida DID truly hate each other, 2 enemies WILL join forces against a common enemy, that is a universal fact (See Army Of Darkness...lol)...And America, particularly our way of life, is hated by almost all of the Middle East...They are raised from birth to believe that we are evil and immoral...


This is really just your own speculation. There has never been anything proving these two are working together.

AND...During Clinton's administration, it was established that Bin Laden was NOT our ally...As we had gathered information that he was responsible for attacks against us BEFORE 9-11...Saudi Arabia had him in custody, they offered him to Clinton 3 times...He was apparently too busy to be bothered with such trivial matters as stopping terrorists...He didn't really see him as a threat...

I'm pretty sure it was Sudan (Fearing a US attack) that offered him to us, but you're right about Slick Willy being the one to drop the ball on that.

There have been MANY times that we have tried to help people, provide them weapons and training, and have them turn on us and use it against us....That is not a new occurance, and I am pretty sure that it will continue to happen....We are generally a trusting people, that may be one of our biggest weaknesses (See Mars Attacks :D)

Yep. Our government is stupid.

People and situations change...Allies become enemies, and vise-versa...

Deja vu. Didn't you basically already say that in the 2nd paragraph?

Have you NO idea how arrogant we are as a country?...We broadcast our intentions all over the world before we do ANYTHING (VERY bad move...But, if we didn't do it, people would scream that they were being 'kept in the dark')....OUR media is one of the enemy's greatest weapons....We feel that we can overcome that breech, we expect them to just wait for us to implement our plans before they do anything...BUT, it's really no different than UN inspectors setting up APPOINTMENTS with them to inspect their weapons cache...Always guaranteeing them the opportunity to 'clean up' before inspectors arrive...Ridiculous


The American media is retarded. No arguement here on that one. Anyone needing proof can just look up the Fox news archives of Geraldo Rivera drawing a fucking map in the sand of where the military plattoon he was traveling with was stationed during the opening days of the Iraq war. What a fuckin' dumbass...

Al-Qeida has always been spread out in the Middle East...Although they are actually a relatively small faction (or they WERE until people starting joining them enmasse to 'bring down America')...Yet, they made certain that they remained visible as much as possible in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and even parts of Pakistan...This is a way for a small faction to appear larger than they actually are, as is claiming responsibilty (taking credit) for just about ANY terrorist attack (and even disasters that end up being proven to be accidents) perpetuated anywhere in the world, especially America.....And yes, they did descend upon Iraq in droves as soon as our troops arrived

Actually, bin Laden's war was against Saudi Arabia for a long, long time. (Because they allowed western influence in a Muslim country.) Until recently, al-Qaida operated primarily out of Afghanistan and the border regions of Pakistan, and before that Sudan. I have never seen, heard, or been shown anything saying that al-Qaida was ni Iraq or Iran before we went to Iraq.

I'm just going to disagree with that...I can DO that, as an American :)

Yeah you can do that, but I don't see any reason that you would know better than the 9/11 Commission.

Ever wonder where he GOT all of that money?...It couldn't have all come from his rich family...He had BILLIONS of dollars...Much more than his family's combined net worth...Sadly, some of his money came from US.....But, Saddam was willing to fund ANY faction that was hellbent on the destruction of America...Believe it or not, Saddam doesn't like us very much...heh

In addition to his familial wealth, he owned several major legit corporations during his time in Sudan. It was a very poor country and he actually did a TON for their infrastructure. That's where most of his money came from.

And Saddam had ridiculous amounts of money that he diverted from the Oil For Food program that was SUPPOSED to go to his people...The UN was responsible for overseeing that program, and making sure that the funds were distributed as intended, just as they were supposed to handle the weapons inspections...And people wonder why we do NOT have much faith in working with the UN...They have proven to be dangerously ineffective, on far too many occasions

Kofi Annan is the biggest crook of any politicans. The UN is a joke. Oil for Food was a fucking fiasco. But just because Saddam didn't distribute the money like he should have, doesn't mean he gave it to bin Laden. You are jumping to conclusions without backing them up with anything.

And yes...Bin Laden needed money after his assets were frozen...No, I don't believe it was possible to locate ALL of his resources, BUT we even had a stranglehold on all of the assets of his family members as well...It HAD to restrict him quite a bit...

It probably restriced him some, but we didn't get it all. To think we commandeered all of his cash would be to underestimate his intelligence, which would be just plain naive. bin Laden is not a stupid man by any stretch of the imagination. If you had declared a holy war on the US, don't you think he'd have the foresight to stick most of his money out of our reach? The US can't freeze Swiss bank accounts. The US didn't go look in all the safes in Afghanistan. The US may have froze some of his families cash, but what about all the money he has resting with operatives that the US isn't even aware of? The US freezing his cash may have dented his bankroll, but it sure didn't cripple it.

Your turn:)

Okay, back at ya.

History channel is running a biography on bin Laden this month. I just watched it a couple days ago and it's really good, but that's where alot of my info came from.

I basically think we are seeing eye to eye on pretty much everything except the al-Qaida/Iraq connection.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Oh...You already knew that..lol...Oh well..I mentioned it anyway :)


As for the rest of what you said (in this same post)...I agree 100%

And the REASON that "We aren't only after bin Laden and al-Qaida either. There is a war on terror and any nations that harbor terrorists, so it's not limited to only al-Qaida."...Is that we are trying to quell the HUGE amount of hatred and bloodlust for our destruction ALL OVER the Middle East, so that they will no longer be a threat (or as much of one) to us...We went after Saddam first, because he was one of the biggest perpetrators of the brutality, oppression and tyranny that causes the type of mentality that is dangerous for us....We were just cutting off the head of the snake, before we moved on to the rest of the body...That's the best tactical move in ANY war plan...

We also have to try to change the way these people are educated, so that eventually the children won't be taught and trained to kill us, throughout their entire childhoods...

In my opinion, North Korea is the next biggest threat (if not AS big a threat as Saddam)....Syria is up there, too...

North Korea is a WAY bigger threat than Iraq. They actually have nuclear weapons now and their leader is insane enough to use them without regard to the reprecussions! (Kinda like Castro during the Cuban Missile Crisis. He wanted to just launch them too, but luckily for the entire world, the Russian government had enough common sense to realize that would have been WW3.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by Deposable
No one can prove that the government will be stable after we leave... How long do we stay ? Sure... the toll isn't bad so far. But how about five years from now ? I don't want ANY troops dying for this cause that 60% of the nation doesn't believe in. We will always be the "BAD USA". I hope this works out because I don't want our soldiers to dye in vein, while our leader jokes with his buddy at his ranch... I will never support War, unless it 100% just. Look at Canada, man... They don't have half of the problems we have at all. Free Health care.. You could say they even have more freedom, then the "land of the free"

It's a matter of opinion I guess, but I would say even an unsteady democracy is better than a tyrannical dictatorship.



I heard about that, It just makes me sick. Its unbelievable! But I have always voted for Nader. Wasted vote, but I say "what isn't ?"


Nader huh? You're alright in my book. He is the only politician I've seen in years that doesn't make me want to puke. Too bad he won't ever get a chance to get into the White House because he would actually do a good job I think.


Some crazy fucks believe they have the right to have ANY gun ever made because of the 2nd amendment. You know, like we need a AK-47 to do hunting with :rolleyes:, they say hunting is a sport but there is no challenge in hunting. Unless you use a bow and arrow. The 2nd amendment was to up hold our government. Which is impossible because the police have full control of our society.

Hmm... I'm sure you've heard the saying 'If guns are outlawed, then only outlaws will have guns.' I'm not a huge gun nut or anything but it seems to make sense. I dont have any problem with the guy that wants an AK-47 and doesn't intend to harm anyone with it. I do have a problem with some thug using one to shoot up a bank or something. But stricted gun control would not take the thugs guns off the streets because they aren't registered anyways. It would essentially only take away the average citizens right to have equal weaponry as the next guy. I actually think that everyone should own a pistol or two, just for your own protection. You never know when some cracked out asshole is gonna kick in your door to rob you or rape your girl or kid or whatever. Everyone has a right to be able to protect their family in my opinion. Now does that mean, everyone should run out and buy an AK? No. But if there's a chance (Whether they are legal or not) that said crackhead could have one, then it only seems fair that the innocent, law abiding citizen should be able to also.

[bloodrayne]

Whew!...Okay...*giggles*....Oh, is it difficult to try to make a valid point while giggling? :D

Originally posted by bwind22
Yes I remember this incident although I don't really see how it pertains to anything. What are you getting at? That Saddam is a cold motherfucker? We already know that. That was just to illustrate his lack of loyalty to ANYONE, even his own children.....To point out that while he may be an enemy to someone at some time, he can change that as he sees fit, if it's in HIS best interest...


Originally posted by bwind22
This is really just your own speculation. There has never been anything proving these two are working together.Okay...But, I'm sticking to my speculation...It was presented early on, after the 9-11 attacks...I may try to find the information behind it...But, not right now...Computer's being a bitch...Irritating...



Originally posted by bwind22
Yep. Our government is stupid..No argument there...But, where the media is concerned, I truly believe that the government's hands are tied...If something is NOT reported, the media tries to portray that as 'hiding something' with the inclusion that 'the people have a right to know'...And while I agree that 'the people have a right to know', the entire fucking world does NOT, not where it concerns our security...If it puts us at risk, I say 'the people' just have to fucking wait until it's done, and THEN hear about it



Originally posted by bwind22
Deja vu. Didn't you basically already say that in the 2nd paragraph?LOL...Probably...I have a tendency to be redundant at times...Usually when I'm trying to emphasize a particular point



Originally posted by bwind22
The American media is retarded. No arguement here on that one. Anyone needing proof can just look up the Fox news archives of Geraldo Rivera drawing a fucking map in the sand of where the military plattoon he was traveling with was stationed during the opening days of the Iraq war. What a fuckin' dumbass...Exactly



Originally posted by bwind22
Yeah you can do that, but I don't see any reason that you would know better than the 9/11 CommissionI probably just have a problem accepting everything that I'm told...Usually when it conflicts with what I already believe :)



Originally posted by bwind22
Kofi Annan is the biggest crook of any politicans. The UN is a joke. Oil for Food was a fucking fiasco. Without a doubt



Originally posted by bwind22
just because Saddam didn't distribute the money like he should have, doesn't mean he gave it to bin Laden.True...I just feel that if he had SO much money at his disposal, why NOT throw it out there to further his agenda to 'destroy the infidels'? ...I could DEFINITELY see that happening....AND by 'support', I'm not just referring to money...Bin Laden needed protection...These countries are about the size of OUR states...Gotta be a little difficult to hide so well, for so long...


Originally posted by bwind22
You are jumping to conclusions.LOL...Possibly...

That's how I get most of my exercise...:D :D



Originally posted by bwind22
History channel is running a biography on bin Laden this month. I just watched it a couple days ago and it's really good, but that's where alot of my info came from. Hey!...No Fair!....I'm trying to remember this crap from years ago (as it happened)...While you're taking a refresher course!....lol

Believe it or not...I actually distanced myself from all of this political bullshit about 3 years ago...It all just became far too ridiculous...and discouraging...

Originally posted by bwind22
I basically think we are seeing eye to eye on pretty much everything except the al-Qaida/Iraq connection. Yup...Kinda looks that way...


And yeah...I shoulda revised my statement on North Korea from "if not AS big a threat as Saddam" to "if not an even BIGGER threat than Saddam"...You got me on that one, for sure...

So...Are we done yet? :)

[Deposable]

hahaha, all this because I want to beat George Bush's ass... :D

Great stuff and good opinions.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Deposable
hahaha, all this because I want to beat George Bush's ass... :D

Great stuff and good opinions. LOL...Yeah...It's REALLY easy to spark a political discussion:)

...And they DO tend to go on and on...BUT, I appreciate it when people can debate things intelligently, without getting out of control...It actually helps to make more points for the presentation and validity of your opinion, if you keep from giving the impression that the opinion was formulated by an idiot....lol

[wufong]

Originally posted by bwind22
Then I'd rip out Ashlee Simpsons vocal chords. .

i think smome one already beat ya to it.

[Haunted]

Did someone call him Muslim? I don't know; I only skimmed. I just wanted to add my two cents. Sorry...geez.