When Movies Go Bad!

[SKOOFx]

example: halloween: ressurection

one of the worst "horror" movies to date. Totally whoring the slasher genre and the dawsons creek genre to the MAX.

BUTTTT

think about it..THEY HAD GOLD.

The begining was amazing. Seemed like it was going in the right place. BUTT they fucked it.

If the whole movie took place IN the mental instutution...with a simple plot line of "meyers trying to kill jamie lee"....it would have been great....
Nobody would beleive jamie lee when she tells everyone that mike is back..BECAUSEE people beleive all the dead bodies are because of that other psycho that was obsessed with serial killers(the one mikey let out). THEN we finally climax to th end..where jamie lee THENN DIES..and mike walks of finto the night. MOVIE OVER.

Im not a screen writer, just a horror fan..BUTTT what i wrote above i think would please the masses.


can you people name any other movies like that?..movies that almost had a GREAT story, BUT THEN BOMBED and went into the shittiest direction ever..FOR NO REASON.

if so...name the film..and tell us how you would have done it (with spoiler alerts)

[AUSTIN316426808]

He didn't actually let him loose, he just gave him a knife. He got out by himself and seemed pretty harmless.

[SKOOFx]

^ i know, buttttttt this is MY version. The way i would have done it.

And exactly..mike gave him the knife....its a perfect setup.

[EXTR3MIST]

Halloween Resurrection was ridiculous from the word go, considering heroine Laurie Strode was previously killed in a car accident with her husband in around 1987 (see Halloween 4 for details).

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by EXTR3MIST
Halloween Resurrection was ridiculous from the word go, considering heroine Laurie Strode was previously killed in a car accident with her husband in around 1987 (see Halloween 4 for details).


They explained that in H20, she faked it,went to Cal. and worked at the school.

[EXTR3MIST]

doh!

http://www.ultimatedallas.com/newdream/faq.htm

[jenna26]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
They explained that in H20, she faked it,went to Cal. and worked at the school.

They didn't really explain it all that well considering she left a daughter behind.
Resurrection is horrible. After part 5, the story went to hell. Continuity problems aside, the explaination in Resurrection for how Myers survived the previous movie was just stupid, in my opinion. Actually even though I liked several of them, the first one is the only one that is effective. It is a great horror film with an awesome ending. In a perfect world it would have been left alone.:D

[AUSTIN316426808]

I agree with you, I said it was explained, I didn't say it was explained well or the film was good.

[EXTR3MIST]

Resurrecting dead franchises is bad enough, resurrecting them with supposedly dead characters is insulting and reeks of fat-cat producers milking the kids for more cash.

It does however bring up an interesting question: do inferior, continuity-affected sequels somehow manage to cheapen the impact of the original films? (Upon repeated viewings of the originals, or just in memory alone?).

Case in point: Alien3, which dispensed with both Hicks and Newt in the opening scenes, effectively making their hair-raising escape to safety at the end of Aliens somewhat redundant. Hats off to the makers of Alien3 for bravely going against the grain, but doubtless this move alienated (!) many fans of the series.

[jenna26]

Originally posted by EXTR3MIST
Resurrecting dead franchises is bad enough, resurrecting them with supposedly dead characters is insulting and reeks of fat-cat producers milking the kids for more cash.

It does however bring up an interesting question: do inferior, continuity-affected sequels somehow manage to cheapen the impact of the original films? (Upon repeated viewings of the originals, or just in memory alone?).


It is insulting....so why do I insist on watching them all? LOL:p
Seriously, I think that in a way it does lessen the impact of the original film. Because they are manipulating the same characters and storylines that you remember. It is bound to bleed over into that initial experience if you watch them all. It changes how you view the original, at least a tiny bit.

[SKOOFx]

haha we are totally off topic, but im glad we got a good convo going on.

but does anyone think my "version" of h8..would have made the movie a sucess? somehow going back to its roots..similar to h2....which took place in the hospital the whole time.

i mean..having it all take place in the mental institution..and ending it with jamie getting killed would have been great...ever since i saw that movie..i always wondered why the fuck they went with the pointless dangervision horseshit.

as for pointless sequels ruining the first....well..yeah..it takes away from the characters mystique.

pinhead in hellraiser was on icon that definitly made me a lil uncomfortable...after watching the other sequels, he lost his "scaryness". BUTT as a fan of many franchises, even though i lose the essence of the first film, i still support and watch all sequels..even if they are SHIT...why? because i like to see how many ways they can take one character/story..and keep going with it...no matter how stupid it gets...

i could care less if they made 10000 nightmares on elm's 10000x halloweens...even if they are 10000x below the quality of the first, i still watch it...better than no movie at all..i can still enjoy the 1st...it will always b there..so why not enjoy the others? the only thing that frustrates me is when movies get REALLLLYYY pointless(like h8)

[SKOOFx]

what other movies can u think of that went horribly bad for no reason....HORRIBLY. I mean ...even though h7 was no good - it TRIED to make a good storyline. FAILED..but some attemopt was made....as appose to h8..

u guys get what im saying?

[jenna26]

Well, I guess The Village would fit into that catagory. The ending killed it. It had great potential, had some great scenes, a decent storyline, fine acting. But he tried for some great twist, as usual and it just failed miserably.

And I personally thought Boogeyman started out well enough and then went completely downhill. The last few minutes were just horrible and it completely took away from the fact that the beginning was actually.... okay.

[filmmaker2]

I love crappy movies, personally. That doesn't mean I like and watch everything out there, but it is nice to go and see the latest piece of crap sequel to something, or the latest cheesy remake, and munch on some popcorn and walk out of the theatre laughing and saying "THAT was a piece of crap!" I love that crappy feeling. And I'm glad that I do, because crap seems to be pretty much all they're making these days.

[ItsAlive75]

I always thought the Alien series went to shit... after Aliens, I didn't even bother enjoying myself.

Alien 3.... shit. Couldn't understand anything anyone was saying (no offense to you Brits, but those accents were thiiiiick.

Alien Resurrection: Shit. Wynona Rider as a lovable robot? Pppppppp....

I don't even talk about Alien vs Predator.

[The_Return]

Amityville 2: The Possession had great potential, but turned into a bad Exorcist rip off:rolleyes:

[EXTR3MIST]

Amityville 2 I find very scary - it was repeated recently on UK TV and reminded me it was one of the pivotal films that fascinated me with horror as a kid.

The jumps and scares may be rather mechanical, but having said that, compared to today's post-modern efforts they aren't too bad at all: what about the unseen force lurching out from that dark, dank hole in the basement? The uncompromising shotgun-blasting of the whole family? The priest's creepy exploration of the house near the end, searching for the posessed boy? His own posession by the demon in the downbeat finale?

Alien3 is really love-it-or-hate it; I like it a lot - so long as you don't try and compare to the others in the series there's a really dark story here and the violence is particularly ugly and nasty. Alien Resurrection is loads of fun, if only for Brad Douriff's head-puncturing demise!

[EXTR3MIST]

P.S. lost interest in the Halloween's after no.6 SCOOFx, and can't really remember the plots of the recent instalments...

:cool:

[jenna26]

Originally posted by EXTR3MIST


Alien3 is really love-it-or-hate it; I like it a lot - so long as you don't try and compare to the others in the series there's a really dark story here and the violence is particularly ugly and nasty. Alien Resurrection is loads of fun, if only for Brad Douriff's head-puncturing demise!

I guess I would be with the hate it crowd. I have only seen it once, but I was appalled. Appalled, I say. ;) After Aliens, it all went to hell in my opinion. But at the very least, it was a far more interesting film than Alien Resurrection.

[EXTR3MIST]

Aliens is probably the very best action film ever (sci-fi or otherwise), closely followed by Terminator 2

[ChEEbA]

Are we talking about movies that started off cool, and ended SHIT, or movie franchises?
I'll try to mention a few of both.

What comes immediately to mind is the NOES series - The first one, to this day is one of my fvourite horror films. It was a very cool movie, disturbing ideas...and on occasion, yes, I have thought that it would've made a greater impact if there were no sequels to follow it.
However, That's not to say that the entire series was shithouse...it was more inconsistant if anything. The second one was dark and scary, and I thought showed an interesting concept in regarss to the whole possesion thing, had some good kills and nice gore throughout.
The third wasn't as dark, but I think it was pretty damn solid, and is my favourite aside from the first. Good characters, the death of one heroine, the "birth" of another...
#4 was ok, but at this point, the standup comedian routine Freddy had started in the third one began to piss me off...I mean, he didn't HAVE to have a one liner every 5 seconds. I found Freddy MUCH more menacing when he was of few words in the first and second. The movie was alright overall, no complaints.
The dream child, NOES 5...I didnt like it much at all. The feel of the first one continued to dissapear, more comedy, less darkness, and some of the kills were just fucking stupid...
Now, I actually really liked Freddys Dead. Namely because it was DIFFERENT from the last few before it. Kruegers history was delved into, better explanations given, I thought the cast as better than that of the few films preceeding it, and the whole family connection thing was pretty cool too. Not to mention, the atmosphere of the first few films was ALMOST back. Good ending too, in fact, I thought it was a pretty good close to the story.

New Nightmare...I thought it was interesting, but they could have done it much better. Freddy was a little more like his old sinister self in this one, which was good. Some interesting kills, and overall, an alright storyline too. It did, however, drag on a little, and I thought the ending was rather anticlimatic...but overall, a nice effort to explore the frnchise from a different perspective.

F vs J, In all honesty, I enjoyed all the parts that Jason WASN'T involved in. The movie itself, the characters, the Elm street police "conspiracy", the nightmares, the kills...aside from Jason, and the water-thin sub-plot that made them want to fight eachother...(not that I hate Jason or anything)...if you took out all that, I think it'd have made a damn fine Elm street movie, and IMO, elements in this film felt more like the original than ANY of the earlier sequels. I'm not saying Jason spoiled it, just that it definately felt more like an NOES film than AN f13 films, and I think that if more effort was put into it, I'd have preffered another Nightmare.

So...Yeah...I gues after the awesome first installment, it was kinda hard for anything to live up to it...it was here an there, but nothing REALLY compared.


Childs Play - 1&2 were pretty good...I honestly think they should've killed it there. Ill say no more.

I can't remember the name, but the second film by the guys that did super-troopers, the one set on the island...I know it wasn't a sequel or anything, but...I thought it sucked sucked SUCKED, and was nowhere near as funny as super troopers,, the worst part is that I thought it had the potential to be even FUNNIER.

The Mummy - The first was nice, good blend of action, a little comedy, and elements of horror. On first viewing, parts were actually quite scary.
The Mummy Returns, for me, failed on every level...and SO much was rehashed from the first that I just hated it. They turned a decent horror/adventure theme into a "family" kinda movie...They tried to bring new elements into it too, but none of them worked for me...I was REALLY looking foward to it, and I felt fucked over.
The Scorpion King was, I thought, a fairly decent standard action film, nothing special though...I didn't really consider it part of the Mummy series anyway.

Lethal Weapon...The first two were GREAT, I loved them both.
VERY solid action, good character background and contrast, some wicked bad guys, bad-ass fights, and very messed up in parts.
I liked them both equally, the second one was everything a sequel should be.
The third one wasn't too bad, but felt a bit like a TV movie, and to me, the action was very watered down, and the villain was a little cliche, as were his greivances. Not THAT much of a letdown, but the beggining of a downhill slope.
#4 completely killed it for me. Compare the first to the fourth and you see how bad it really was. I mean, Chris Rock? What the FUCK were they thinking there...the film already had one annoying motherfucker, let alone throwing this guy into the mix...not only did it totally change the feel of the film, but it'd be nice if they HAD to turn it into a comedy movie, that if at least SOME of the jokes he spat out weren't just racism in disguise...I find Rock both irritating and offensive at the same time. The storyline was PISS weak, and even Jet Li didn't really improve the overall action ratio of the film. Yep, #3 may have pushed it, #4 made it suck. Too much comedy, too many stereotypes, and frankly, it felt just like sub-standard "dumb" action film.

Scooby Doo...The sequel sucked. Sure, Sure, not that the first one was groundbreaking in any way...but it was a nice effort, and I thought it was quite funny, not to mention it did away with one of my most HATED characters, that only ever spoiled the show.
All the innuendo of the first one was killed in the second, the only way it stood out at ALL was in terms of the special effects.

Ghostbusters.
First one is one of my favourite movies of all time. I have only ever seen the second film ONCE, I don't remember much other than being hugely dissapointed by it.

Back to the Future.
None of them were BAD, but I think they were on a steady decline from the first one.

That reminds me - Teen wolf 2 fucking sucked.

Almost forgot, TMNT#3.
The first 2 pulled it off pretty well I thought...despite the second one being a little sillier and not as dark as the first, I still enjoyed it. The third wa absolute garbage from the shitty (over-used)storyline, to the RIDICULOUS new bright rubber looking suits, to the aweful series that spawned from it....all bad.

Now, films that started good, and got shitty...I can only think of two right now.

1: Long Time Dead.
It started cool and scary...then just faded. The end got slightly interesting, but overall, I felt it drag, and didn't much like it at all.

2: Jeepers Creepers
I liked this movie a LOT. It was the first horror in quite a while (alongside final destination) at the time to actually feel like a real horror movie, not just YET ANOTHER teen slasher. It was gruesome, had a cooool opening scene, and it was SCARY. Very nice kills (The cop car and cat lady scenes - both awesome, not to mention the repeated running over of the creeper, man, that made me laugh), the whole movie had a very panicked feel about it...I enjoyed that, very suspenseful. Slowed down, then it just ended. That's what pissed me off, I seriously wondered if theyd run out of budget or something...
Then there was the sequel...yes, I know it had some funny kills...etc, and showed some as yet unseen talents of the Creeper, however, compared to the first movie...well...it just didn't work. I didn't find it ANY kind of scary. No suspense, shitty characters that were there merely for stereotypical laughs and numerous deaths. I feel the second film bought down my hopes for a good continuation the first...I actually hope they DO revive this series, and make something good of it, because it had, and still HAS much potential.

That's all that comes to mind...I KNOW there's plenty more.

Oh, and I DON'T believe that a bad sequel can "cheapen" the first film, at least I don't let it hppen for me. I get dissapointed, but that's about all.
I DO think that certain films would've made a greater impact without sequels (even some of those that had GOOD sequels), but that's just the way it is - after all, FIRE would be more impressive today, if not for the inventions that followed it...

- B.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by ChEEbA


Almost forgot, TMNT#3.


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[EXTR3MIST]

He better not be talking about Teenage Mutant Ninja Fucking Bastard Turtles.

:p

[zwoti]

Originally posted by EXTR3MIST
He better not be talking about Teenage Mutant Ninja Fucking Bastard Turtles.

:p

guess that was the japanese title then :p

[ChEEbA]

He better not be talking about Teenage Mutant Ninja Fucking Bastard Turtles.

Yep, I was...they ought to have renamed the THIRD one just that.
The 1st two, sure..they were great..but shit, I've seen TMNT action figures that looked more convincing than the suits in the third one...and that APPALLING series? Anyone ever have the misfortune? The live action tv series? Sucked fucking armadillo ballsacks. Made the freakin' power rangers look like the shit.

[novakru]

Just watched the Ring2.
I so hate it when I am attacked by Gigantic Killer Stags from Hell!!
They need warnings on that kinda shit,you know,just in case someone has trauma related to deer.....

[pinkfloyd45769]

House of a 1000 Corpse! I thought it was pretty good up until the "cave" scene and I thought the end was kinda stupid too!

[Angelakillsluts]

Jeepers Creepers.