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Vodstok
06-23-2005, 10:11 AM
Okay....
I am beginning to host ads over on my site (http://scaredyet.net), as anyone who happens over there may notice.
Now, i have been hosting ads for amazon.com forever, no biggie there. I discovered another place today that has all kinds of ads available (they can be seen at the bottom of everypage but the main page). I'm cool with those too.
Now, the thing that is getting me is this:
I have discovered that a ton of money can be made through Fastclick. The moral dilema is this, every time i have run spybot or adaware, both key on fastclick cookies. now, it has never been proven that fastclick uses tracking cookies for anything other than collecting advertising info, ie, their cookies record whether you have been to the site or not, but still....
I would love to make a bundle off my site (maybe the damn thing will pay for itself.....), but i dont want to be dumping garbage on people's computers.
What is a vod to do? Will i be making my site profitable, or will i be selling out to "the man"?
Don't be selling out to " the man" man.
I got enough shit clogging up my computer's pores.As a matter of fact , thinking of giving it a good cleaning up this weekend.......if i ever leave the pool and my beer.:D
Vodstok
06-23-2005, 10:22 AM
Im doing some research on fastclick. I just had a thought, the evil barrons i might be thinking of are "doubleclick", not "fastclick". i may be in the clear here.
Wow, what if i can have my cake and eat it too?
Just to be safe, i will run tests on my pc before i put it on my site for real.
the plot thickens....
Oh, and for the record, i passed on some very profitable "adult" banners for my site. i think i should get a cookie for that.
Iniquity
06-23-2005, 10:23 AM
Bite the bullet and go with it, if people want to come to your site they are going to keep coming, and running their adaware programs and ditching the cookies etc. what you need to count on is the tards that buy the wal-mart computers, and no NOTHING about ads, spyware,etc. except that they are buzzwords that their friends who are "hackers" :rolleyes: talks about.
Ive been running sites for years, and yeah I lose visitors in the beginning, but they ALL at one time or another seem to come back.
One option you could have, is to create a carbon copy of your site and offer "AD-FREE" membership ;) for like 1.99 a month. Or toss in some of that porn you have stored up and get anywhere from 5.99 a month to 25.00 a month.
either way.....spam on wit yer bad self
Vodstok
06-23-2005, 10:26 AM
Ahh Iniquity. i can always count on you to stoke the raging capitalist in me :)
ShankS
06-23-2005, 10:27 AM
run SpywareBlaster...stops all that shit getting on your Pc in the first place.
CCleaner for killing other shit dead.
Iniquity
06-23-2005, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by Vodstok
Oh, and for the record, i passed on some very profitable "adult" banners for my site. i think i should get a cookie for that.
adult banners will pay your house payment if you can get enough traffic.
*hangs head in shame* not very proud of this, but prior to my daughter being born and getting all semi-moral etc. about what I would NEVER want my daughter finding out about me I used to own teensex.com it was NOTHING to rack in 10g's a month from that site. I sold it off to a company called cybahn, who I believe last time I checked was absorbed by some chinese or japanese hmmm some nese company that does nothing but porn. point being, if you dont mind the mental anguish you can make a LOT of money legally with those sites and ads. it will just take you a little while to see how the business works. What kills a lot of adult sites is that they only cater to one market/kink. If you are a regular ole Pornucopia of media then your survival chances get a LOT higher. If ya ever wanna know the ins/outs *no pun intended :D * gimme a yell
Vodstok
06-23-2005, 10:36 AM
I think my wife would kill me.
Im sticking with horror/game/media/food related content.
I applied to fastclick, so we will see how that goes. Some of the ads i have are by-impression, so simply going to my site could make me money. So go have a visit, you bastards :)
ShankS
06-23-2005, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by Vodstok
I think my wife would kill me.
Im sticking with horror/game/media/food related content.
I applied to fastclick, so we will see how that goes. Some of the ads i have are by-impression, so simply going to my site could make me money. So go have a visit, you bastards :)
how do you get the money, by bank transfer??
how will you know they know the amount of clicks are accurate?
why not program a bot to search out proxys, go through them and click the links via loads of different i.ps... thousands of clicks per day :p
MoonLit Meadow
06-23-2005, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by Iniquity
adult banners will pay your house payment if you can get enough traffic.
*hangs head in shame* not very proud of this, but prior to my daughter being born and getting all semi-moral etc. about what I would NEVER want my daughter finding out about me I used to own teensex.com it was NOTHING to rack in 10g's a month from that site.
10g's a month? Good lord! ;) I don't have kids yet...hmm....;)
MoonLit Meadow
06-23-2005, 11:11 AM
Anyway though...I'm not into screwing other people over or anything...but I still say go for the money ;)
Most people run spyware/ad-removal programs on their computer anyway...and if they don't...hmm....I guess that's really their problem
:p
Vodstok
06-23-2005, 11:22 AM
i've been playing with the links and spybot on my machione and so far havent been hit with any tracking cookies.
So far....
Iniquity
06-23-2005, 11:46 AM
The ad sites that pay well only pay by check. NEVER give your bank info to those bastards. The wont cut a check for less than $20 bucks or over $100 bucks. If the checks are over $100 bucks you will get multiple checks. They all look the same and in most cases the only difference is the check number.
If you screw them *ie: bots and spiders*though, they will catch ya. The ones that pay well have pretty extensive agreements for you to agree to, READ everything, often times its very easy to just click through, but thats when you miss the part that lets them take ownership of your site LEGALLY. Anyhow take the money. Screw what others think, take the money and run. They WILL come back, they ALWAYS come back. Hell I have a site now that I havent done one damn thing to in over a year and a half. The only reason I even log onto it was to make sure it still works. I havent updated pic galleries or videos and the people are still grabbing them like crazy. Why? Beats the shit outta me, but as long as they keep coming back thats all that matters. I get a ton of hits from .mil and .gov though so that kinda bothers me lol.
Vodstok
06-23-2005, 11:53 AM
i had a problem with a "helper" who managed to get me booted from google's adsense program. he was using a script to generate clicks on the adds, got me shit-canned whithin 3 days of signing up.
I told him to cut the shit, but i banned his ip from the site just to be safe....
I didnt give any bank info and yeah, i should be getting checks.
the ads arent cluttering up the site, really. i am keeping them on the sidebar and at the bottom of the page, so nothing is getting forced down anyone's throat.
Vodstok
06-23-2005, 12:15 PM
I made my "Donate money to me" paypal links more interesting, a new one for each theme on my site:
Regular:
http://scaredyet.net/index_files/paypal/donate0.gif
Alice:
http://scaredyet.net/index_files/paypal/donate1.gif
Ghost:
http://scaredyet.net/index_files/paypal/donate5.gif
28 Days Lter:
http://scaredyet.net/index_files/paypal/donate4.gif
Quake:
http://scaredyet.net/index_files/paypal/donate2.gif
X-Labs:
http://scaredyet.net/index_files/paypal/donate3.gif
I figured this would get a bit more attention for the links :)