View Full Version : Difficult Ethical Question...What Would You Do?
bloodrayne
06-12-2005, 11:46 AM
Let's pretend for a moment, that there was a zombie outbreak......Your child/parent/sibling/lover has been bitten and infected, yet they are not dead...You KNOW they will turn...You KNOW they will have to be killed (and so do they, so they have BEGGED you not to allow them to become one of the walking dead)...Could YOU kill them?...Would you stop everyone else from killing them?...Or would you just let them turn and eat you because you just couldn't see them killed?
filmmaker2
06-12-2005, 11:52 AM
Well, I would want to avoid the question, like a lot of people, I think. But I would say,
"Look, folks, we should tie 'em up or something, or glue their hands to the floor with Duco cement, or something, so when they turn into a zombie, as horrible as it is to think about, we can take a moment and just try to relax, have a breather, and deal with this in a non-stressful way. Meaning, let's not have this discussion while dealing with a flesh-eating ravenous ghoul thing that's trying to kill us. Thank you."
bloodrayne
06-12-2005, 11:58 AM
Well, personally...If it were MY kids...I'd just let 'em kill me...I wouldn't wanna live without 'em anyway...
zwoti
06-12-2005, 12:02 PM
do i get to pick a weapon?
Fate Kills
06-12-2005, 12:13 PM
If you can't live without them, then kill the little shits and then shoot yourself, its better then letting them become zombies... Thats what I'd do.
Marroe
06-12-2005, 12:35 PM
Don't know what I'd do if I had kids, but anyone else I'd rather have SOMEONE else kill them before they became a heartless, mindless, piece of shit like that. I couldn't do it.....I'd rather have a dead relative than an undead one. Even if I would let em turn, it wouldn't be "them" in there anyways.
bloodrayne
06-12-2005, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by Fate Kills
If you can't live without them, then kill the little shits and then shoot yourself, its better then letting them become zombies... Thats what I'd do. That's pretty much what my daughter said...She'd kill them, and then kill herself...
ItsAlive75
06-12-2005, 03:09 PM
I'm with Marroe, if it was one of my family members I'd have someone else kill them.
Although if worse came to worse and the family member turned, then attacked me... yeah, I'd probably put em' down. I don't wanna die.
The_Return
06-12-2005, 03:34 PM
Id do as they asked. If they wanted to be killed before they turned, so be it. It'd be hard, but Id shoot 'em square between the eyes of thats what they wanted.
urgeok
06-12-2005, 03:54 PM
i'd let them turn then kill them.
i couldnt kill them while they are alive - they'll turn anyway once they die ...so you'd have to kill them twice
bloodrayne
06-12-2005, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by urgeok
they'll turn anyway once they die ...so you'd have to kill them twice Not if you shoot them in the head while they're alive...Then they don't come back...
massacre man
06-12-2005, 04:32 PM
i would just lock them up in a room so they couldn't be devoured and i would run away
urgeok
06-12-2005, 05:02 PM
you probably know how i feel about discussing 'rules' for these kinds of things but i had to ask ...
i though when the zombies rose - a la night/dawn/day of the dead ... all the dead came back to life ... regardless of how they died ?
even old half skeletons where the brain was obviously damaged by decay .. ?
i thought everyone that died came back and then the brain had to be destroyed.
i cant believe i'm asking this :rolleyes:
Way too deep for me. I got four kids and couldn't even contemplate the question.
ChEEbA
06-12-2005, 05:36 PM
If they were going to die, and turn...I'd sit with them a while, comfort them. I'd say whatever they needed to hear, as they slowly bled, most likely becoming a little delerious, I'd keep talking, and mid sentence, I'd shoot them through the back of the head.
At least offer them a quick death, doesn't matter if they'd get up or not...I'd just put them out of their misery.
I'd also burn the body.
It's not about ethics really...in a situation like that, you'd HAVE to adopt a certain logic, in order to survive, and keep those REMAINING around you alive. Just like in a war I suppose, to keep yourself a step ahead, it might cost you a lil' bit of your soul.
bloodrayne
06-12-2005, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by urgeok
you probably know how i feel about discussing 'rules' for these kinds of things but i had to ask ...
i though when the zombies rose - a la night/dawn/day of the dead ... all the dead came back to life ... regardless of how they died ?
even old half skeletons where the brain was obviously damaged by decay .. ?
i thought everyone that died came back and then the brain had to be destroyed.
i cant believe i'm asking this :rolleyes: Okay...Remember Day Of The Dead...Where a zombie got loose from the holding pin cuz the lame, wimpy dude couldn't hold it and the collar broke?...Then the other guy got bit and told the big guy to kill him so that he wouldn't become a zombie...So, the big guy shot him in the head and he didn't come back....That's just ONE example...There have been others, where people were bit, KNEW they would turn, and asked someone to shoot them in the head OR they just shot themselves in the head, so they wouldn't become a zombie...Think about it...
Somebody help me out here...
Let me answer this question a little differently. Can't handle the kid scenario.I couldn't even watch "Pet Sematary" when it first came out because my first born son was about the same age as the kid.
Perhaps if it was one of my best friends or maybe even my brother, I would let them turn first, then i would shoot them. Or at least beat them about the head with a blunt object.
bloodrayne
06-12-2005, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by newb
Let me answer this question a little differently. Can't handle the kid scenario.I couldn't even watch "Pet Sematary" when it first came out because my first born son was about the same age as the kid.
Perhaps if it was one of my best friends or maybe even my brother, I would let them turn first, then i would shoot them. Or at least beat them about the head with a blunt object. Just face it...If it was your kids, you couldn't do it...You would die, and so would I...
Originally posted by bloodrayne
Just face it...If it was your kids, you couldn't do it...You would die, and so would I...
ok....sorry
but we could live happily ever after after in zombie hell:D
bloodrayne
06-12-2005, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by newb
ok....sorry
but we could live happily ever after after in zombie hell:D But...We would love it...So, wouldn't that make it OUR Heaven? ;) ......Pergutory Paradise...heh
Originally posted by bloodrayne
But...We would love it...So, wouldn't that make it OUR Heaven? ;) ......Pergutory Paradise...heh
Good point.......Heaven it is.
AUSTIN316426808
06-12-2005, 07:09 PM
I'd sit with 'em and comfort them as much as possible wait for them to die then back up a few yards,aim and do what I have to do.
urgeok
06-12-2005, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by bloodrayne
Just face it...If it was your kids, you couldn't do it...You would die, and so would I...
after they came back ... green and dead ? i could do it.
AUSTIN316426808
06-12-2005, 07:15 PM
Originally posted by urgeok
after they came back ... green and dead ? i could do it.
you're right it's just a shell, the person is gone.
The STE
06-12-2005, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by ChEEbA
If they were going to die, and turn...I'd sit with them a while, comfort them. I'd say whatever they needed to hear, as they slowly bled, most likely becoming a little delerious, I'd keep talking, and mid sentence, I'd shoot them through the back of the head.
At least offer them a quick death, doesn't matter if they'd get up or not...I'd just put them out of their misery.
I'd also burn the body.
It's not about ethics really...in a situation like that, you'd HAVE to adopt a certain logic, in order to survive, and keep those REMAINING around you alive. Just like in a war I suppose, to keep yourself a step ahead, it might cost you a lil' bit of your soul.
Would you tell them about the rabbits again?
I'd remind them that zombies aren't real, and take them to the hospital to get their shots
bloodrayne
06-12-2005, 08:58 PM
Originally posted by The STE
I'd remind them that zombies aren't real, and take them to the hospital to get their shots We are PRETENDING...Where's your imagination?...Spoilsport :p
Elvis_Christ
06-12-2005, 09:09 PM
Wait till they turned... then waste them.
mothermold
06-13-2005, 12:33 AM
Originally posted by bloodrayne
)Could YOU kill them?...Would you stop everyone else from killing them?
1.absolutely(i'd wait until the second they turned)
2.yes,i take care of my own.
....is there something the rest of us should know?
Vodstok
06-13-2005, 03:59 AM
If i Knew they were going to change.. I might do it right then and there. Otherwise, before they die and become one, they have to suffer horribly. Why let them sit around, damn near comatose and in constant pain for a day or two because you are afraid of guilt?
It's much much more kind.
I would hate myself for it, but i would definately feel better that their suffering was only moderate and temporary.
Letting them die slowly and then "killing" the zombie is selfish, it's like keeping someone who wont ever get better, and is in horrible pain, languish on life support because you cant bring yourself to end their pain. better they suffer than you.... I dont accept that. I think it is cruel.
urgeok
06-13-2005, 04:53 AM
i promise Vod .. i'd shoot you if it even looked like you had indigestion :D
seriously - i dont think too many people could kill their own children while they were dying ..i couldnt - unless they were screaming in pain and agony ...
once they were gone and came back .. no problemo
i think i need a happier topic now.
Vodstok
06-13-2005, 05:15 AM
If a twinkie were dying in agony, would you eat it?
:) better?
urgeok
06-13-2005, 05:47 AM
Originally posted by Vodstok
If a twinkie were dying in agony, would you eat it?
:) better?
no..
i'd never eat a twinkie .... thoise things are gross !
true story : a gf of mine - her brother had a yacht - it was in storage for 5 years and when they retreived it they found a box of twinkies in it .. as fresh as the day they bought them ...
they could use these things to preserve mummies ...
Vodstok
06-13-2005, 05:50 AM
I actually never had particularly grand memories of twinkies from being a kid, i always preferred anything chocolate, the blueberry and apple pies, and Snowballs ( i love hostess snowballs.. I know that sounds just a tad gay..)
But a few months ago, we bought me a box of twinkies to keep in my desk for a snak at work. I figured that since they werent my favorite by any means, they would last.
I ate 2 dozen of them in under a week. I developed a severe twinky addiction, so i havent touched the things since.
filmmaker2
06-13-2005, 06:09 AM
Originally posted by urgeok
true story : a gf of mine - her brother had a yacht - it was in storage for 5 years and when they retreived it they found a box of twinkies in it .. as fresh as the day they bought them ...
they could use these things to preserve mummies ...
Yes, you see, Twinkies are a thing of almost supernatural power, and therefore a perfect food for horror film fans. They contain so much sugar that microorganisms basically can't live in them. The Ancient Fresh Twinkie is the urban myth that is actually true.
urgeok
06-13-2005, 06:10 AM
the only crap like that i liked were those 'flakey's
the pastry with the cream and strawberry stuff inside.
havent had one in years.
eating that crap reminds me when i was a kid working in places where you ate off of catering trucks.
everything was non perishable hyper preserved junk in plastic wrap.
Haunted
06-13-2005, 07:54 AM
I hate twinkies.
If I got bit, I'd shoot myself. I've often wondered about other people, though. This is in part due to my love for zombie filmology.
I'd have to think about it.
Oh, and STE, nice reference to, "Of Mice and Men.":D
ChEEbA
06-13-2005, 08:03 AM
Letting them die slowly and then "killing" the zombie is selfish, it's like keeping someone who wont ever get better, and is in horrible pain, languish on life support because you cant bring yourself to end their pain. better they suffer than you.... I dont accept that. I think it is cruel.
Not to mention...it's never really been thoroughly explored as to how much "memory" a zombie is supposed to actually retain...I mean, for all we know, it could be like viewing the murders of their loved ones from inside, not being able to stop it - that there would be like putting them through a living hell too.
For these reasons, and for the reason of potentially having an emotion related fuckup whilst under attack, I'd get it done quickly, and efficiently, as much as it wrecked me to do it and make me feel like a fucking murderous asshole, I'd comfort them, and tell them everything was going to be allright, and have them at rest, right before I perforated their brain.
Marroe
06-13-2005, 09:58 AM
I hate twinkies. isat even human:confused:
Gren the cake
06-13-2005, 04:23 PM
the title is misleading
anyway. i would kill them.
FairyKorpes
06-13-2005, 05:04 PM
Nevermind....I send them to visit my step mom. Let her deal with them lol
bloodrayne
06-13-2005, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by Vodstok
I actually never had particularly grand memories of twinkies from being a kid, i always preferred anything chocolate, the blueberry and apple pies, and Snowballs ( i love hostess snowballs.. I know that sounds just a tad gay..)
But a few months ago, we bought me a box of twinkies to keep in my desk for a snak at work. I figured that since they werent my favorite by any means, they would last.
I ate 2 dozen of them in under a week. I developed a severe twinky addiction, so i havent touched the things since. Heh...Did you ever try the chocolate Twinkies?...They were the same Twinkies, and they looked the same, but they were made out of chocolate cake and they were coated in chocolate...They don't make them anymore, because they are pretty much just like Ho Hos so I guess they figured they were unnescessary...But, they still make Ding Dongs...Which are pretty much the same thing, too......Anyway...I loved those things, but I don't like the regular Twinkies...
massacre man
06-13-2005, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by newb
ok....sorry
but we could live happily ever after after in zombie hell:D you could eat celebrities and get shot by Ken Foree and Bruce Campbell!
alkytrio666
06-14-2005, 08:15 AM
I forget...did the thing from "Day" work where they cut off that guy's arm right after he got bit? If that works, I'd obviously do that. (Unless they got bit in the neck or something...then we have an obvious problem.)
ItsAlive75
06-14-2005, 09:22 AM
Originally posted by alkytrio666
I forget...did the thing from "Day" work where they cut off that guy's arm right after he got bit? If that works, I'd obviously do that. (Unless they got bit in the neck or something...then we have an obvious problem.)
As I've read from the Zombie Survival Guide, that wouldn't work. The virus enters the bloodstream and immediately goes to the brain, so chopping off the limb would just make a zombie with one less limb. Plus, if you had any open wounds and the blood splatter from the chop got in there, you'd be fucked too.
Nah, it's just better to sit on the other side of the room with a rifle.
Originally posted by massacre man
you could eat celebrities and get shot by Ken Foree and Bruce Campbell!
If I'm gonna be eating celebrities, its gonna have to be Salma Hayek and Charlize Theron.:D
urgeok
06-14-2005, 09:35 AM
Originally posted by newb
If I'm gonna be eating celebrities, its gonna have to be Salma Hayek and Charlize Theron.:D
i'll fight you for Salma
Originally posted by urgeok
i'll fight you for Salma
We can share,there's enough for the both of us.Unlike todays emaciated stars.
urgeok
06-14-2005, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by newb
We can share,there's enough for the both of us.Unlike todays emaciated stars.
true dat, g
The STE
06-14-2005, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by Haunted
Oh, and STE, nice reference to, "Of Mice and Men.":D
Danke. I was wondering if anyone was gonna catch that
bloodrayne
06-14-2005, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by alkytrio666
I forget...did the thing from "Day" work where they cut off that guy's arm right after he got bit? If that works, I'd obviously do that. (Unless they got bit in the neck or something...then we have an obvious problem.) Well...In the movie, the guy didn't end up turning, so I suppose that meant it DID work...But, I've never seen them try that in any other zombie movie...So, it hasn't really been done enough to establish an actual 'general rule'...
jay o2 waster
06-14-2005, 12:07 PM
yea i could kill them because i know that is what they would want
urgeok
06-14-2005, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by bloodrayne
Well...In the movie, the guy didn't end up turning, so I suppose that meant it DID work...But, I've never seen them try that in any other zombie movie...So, it hasn't really been done enough to establish an actual 'general rule'...
i dont think that would have worked in 'real life'..
blood circulates 5.2 liters per minute ...
his arm would have to have been cut off as soon as the teeth were entering the skin pretty much - or it would be too late...
he would be infected with the virus.
they never speculated on strength of the virus - how potent it was ... but i'd say that any of it at all would do the trick ..slowed down or not.
bloodrayne
06-14-2005, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by urgeok
i dont think that would have worked in 'real life'..
blood circulates 5.2 liters per minute ...
his arm would have to have been cut off as soon as the teeth were entering the skin pretty much - or it would be too late...
he would be infected with the virus.
they never speculated on strength of the virus - how potent it was ... but i'd say that any of it at all would do the trick ..slowed down or not. Yeah...It doesn't really seem like it SHOULD work...Given the multitude of information that we have gleaned from so many other zombie films...That's probably WHY they haven't tried it in any other movie...At least, none that I'M familiar with...
But...Then again...Look how often the vampire 'rules' seem to change from time to time...Like when they say things like, "Oh...That only works in the movies"...heh
ENTITY2000
06-14-2005, 01:29 PM
Originally posted by ChEEbA
If they were going to die, and turn...I'd sit with them a while, comfort them. I'd say whatever they needed to hear, as they slowly bled, most likely becoming a little delerious, I'd keep talking, and mid sentence, I'd shoot them through the back of the head.
At least offer them a quick death, doesn't matter if they'd get up or not...I'd just put them out of their misery.
I'd also burn the body.
It's not about ethics really...in a situation like that, you'd HAVE to adopt a certain logic, in order to survive, and keep those REMAINING around you alive. Just like in a war I suppose, to keep yourself a step ahead, it might cost you a lil' bit of your soul.
i agree with you cheebs!