megan's law

[Gren the cake]

http://meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?zoomAction=Box&lastName=&firstName=&Address=&City=&zipcode=&searchDistance=.75&City2=&countyLocation=&zipcode2=92129&SelectCounty=&ParkName=&searchDistance2=.75&City3=&zipcode3=&countyLocation3=&schoolName=&searchDistance3=.75&City4=&zipcode4=&countyLocation4=&pan=&distacross=107211&centerlat=38409907&centerlon=-121514242&starlat=&starlon=&startext=&x1=&y1=&x2=&y2=&mapwidth=525&mapheight=400&zoom=&searchBy=ziplist&id=&docountycitylist=2&OFDTYPE=

like 4 of those streets are right near my house!!!!! AHH

anyway. i just googled 'sex offender registry california' so im sure u can just switch the name of the state or what not. just pointing that out since there are ones that u PAY for whereas the gov't one is free.

Edit: i decided to find some. i only picked the states i could remember. it seems like some sites are easier to find than others

Washington
http://ml.waspc.org/Accept.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2Findex.aspx

Colorado
http://sor.state.co.us/

ohhhhh here we go!!! i think this is right.. has links for every state methinks.
http://www.prevent-abuse-now.com/register.htm

[Gren the cake]

http://meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?searchby=ZipList&ZipCode2=92025&SB=0&PageNo=3

AHHHHHHHH. theres a ton more near my bfs house. RIGHT NEAR IT. and im always wandering around at like 12-3am there.. ARGH!

[Gren the cake]

:( me scared. im not playing on this site anymore

[MoonLit Meadow]

Yeah, I've actually been on that site too.
I live in a small town, so there are only two sex offenders within distance. But just by looking at their pictures...you can tell something isn't right with them ;) Creepy;)

[Gren the cake]

im trying to find my freshmen physical science teacher ^_^

[Gren the cake]

luckily for urgeok canada isnt on here...

MUHAHAHAHH!!!!!

...........or is it?

[MoonLit Meadow]

Originally posted by Gren the cake
im trying to find my freshmen physical science teacher ^_^


LMAO! Ah yes....disturbing teachers...let's see...my 7th grade history teacher AND health teacher...my 9th grade spanish teacher..and finally my 10th grade gym instructor...I suspected all of them to be molesters, but alas...only the 10th grade one got convicted. I'm sure I was right about the others though ;)

[Gren the cake]

in 6th grade my friend nestor went into the classroom during lunch cuz he forgot his lunch. he said our teacher was at his desk and when he walked in, teacher said 'WOOOOOP!' and pulled his zipper up

...... nasty.

[MoonLit Meadow]

Originally posted by Gren the cake
in 6th grade my friend nestor went into the classroom during lunch cuz he forgot his lunch. he said our teacher was at his desk and when he walked in, teacher said 'WOOOOOP!' and pulled his zipper up

...... nasty.


Ewwwwwww. That IS nasty. There are some F'D up people out there. I swear when I have kids I'm locking them up. I don't want anyone's paws on them ;)

[Gren the cake]

im not having kids cuz im selfish ^_^

but yeh. oit wil be fun putting these fools away

hmm, ur new. anyway, just for clarification
<~majoring administration of justice. :D

[jenna26]

Originally posted by MoonLit Meadow
LMAO! Ah yes....disturbing teachers...let's see...my 7th grade history teacher AND health teacher...my 9th grade spanish teacher..and finally my 10th grade gym instructor...I suspected all of them to be molesters, but alas...only the 10th grade one got convicted. I'm sure I was right about the others though ;)

Oh, my 11th grade history teacher was a complete sleaze bag. Never could figure out how he kept his job, he was always leering and finding excuses to touch us girls (and some of the guys, come to think of it). And we also had a gym instructor that lost his job for having having sex with a student. But she was of age.

Anyway, a friend of my checked the sex offender list and realized that one lived just a few houses down from her for years.:eek:

[urgeok]

Originally posted by Gren the cake
luckily for urgeok canada isnt on here...

MUHAHAHAHH!!!!!

...........or is it?

i'm offensive, not an offender !!

[bloodrayne]

Well...I didn't find any near me...BUT...I DID find something that disgusted me...

This is what it says:

"UNDER KRS 525.070 & 525.080, USE OF INFORMATION FROM THIS WEBSITE TO HARASS A SEX OFFENDER IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE PUNISHABLE BY UP TO 90 DAYS IN THE COUNTY JAIL. MORE SEVERE CRIMINAL PENALTIES APPLY FOR MORE SEVERE CRIMES COMMITTED AGAINST A SEX OFFENDER."

I mean...Heaven forbid anyone should "harass" the poor pedophiles:rolleyes:...Hell, you'd probably get more time for upsetting them, than they got when they were convicted...I swear, the (IN)justice system in this country really makes me sick sometimes...

You want rights in this country?...Commit a crime...As soon as you're arrested they tell you that "you have the right to..."...Well, you know the rest...And I'm not just being funny here, either...It really DOES seem like the criminals have more rights than we do...

[Iniquity]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Well...I didn't find any near me...BUT...I DID find something that disgusted me...

This is what it says:

"UNDER KRS 525.070 & 525.080, USE OF INFORMATION FROM THIS WEBSITE TO HARASS A SEX OFFENDER IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE PUNISHABLE BY UP TO 90 DAYS IN THE COUNTY JAIL. MORE SEVERE CRIMINAL PENALTIES APPLY FOR MORE SEVERE CRIMES COMMITTED AGAINST A SEX OFFENDER."

I mean...Heaven forbid anyone should "harass" the poor pedophiles:rolleyes:...Hell, you'd probably get more time for upsetting them, than they got when they were convicted...I swear, the (IN)justice system in this country really makes me sick sometimes...

You want rights in this country?...Commit a crime...As soon as you're arrested they tell you that "you have the right to..."...Well, you know the rest...And I'm not just being funny here, either...It really DOES seem like the criminals have more rights than we do...

*evil grin* Yeah, we wouldnt want the bleeding hearts out there that defend the rights of terrorists and pedophiles to get us in trouble, FUCK THEM! If you fuck with a kid and I find out about it, I do everything in my power to ensure you DONT get a good nights sleep. One day I was bored and saw on CNN's website about my state being listed so I took a look just to see and about shit my pants when I realized that my daughter was within "harms reach", since that day Ive printed up their pictures, found phone numbers etc. and plaster the neighborhoods with their information, got arrested once for it but the charges were dropped, since I was just posting the information on a public bulletin board and didnt directly contact them. BUT on my jobsites, I was extremely pissed to find out how many people we employed were listed on those sites. Needless to say, they DONT last long here. Odd how when you give a list of names and printouts from the site to a group of bikers on the job, how quick these guys either quit or just dont show up for work anymore... ;) fuck them!

[urgeok]

i have no sympathy .. i wish they'd all do the world a favor and kill themselves quietly, cleanly and safely.

merry fucking christmas for everyone.

[Iniquity]

Originally posted by urgeok
i have no sympathy .. i wish they'd all do the world a favor and kill themselves quietly, cleanly and safely.

merry fucking christmas for everyone.

exactly....

I actually have people that I work with *bible thumpers* that feel I am wrong for wanting to see these people suffer. Telling me shit like "They served their time and paid for their crime, just leave them be and let them live their lives" OH HELLLLLLLLLL NO!

What about the kid they fucked up for life, either giving tahem relationship issues, insecurities, or WORSE, teaching them somehow that what happened to them is NORMAL and they continue the viscious cycle with their own or someone else children someday.

I am MORE THAN WILLING to be arrested for outing some piece of trash like that to unsuspecting neighborhoods. There is a town near me with a population of just over 32,000. It was claimed on the news that 15,000 of them are registered sex offenders 15,000 FUCKIN CHRIST! Do they just congregate to one area or are they too, those types that had it happen to them and they grew up thinking that was the way things were. Either way, they all need a .25 cent remedy at point blank range.

[barbra]

heh, Im with the bible thumpers. I think everyone has a right to live safely and happily with out fear of persicution. If everything I ever did was held over my head forever then I would be cursed as well. Granted being a sex offender is a hanus crime and yet ANOTHER reason to never breed, but everyone deserves forgivness.

[Iniquity]

Originally posted by barbra
heh, Im with the bible thumpers. I think everyone has a right to live safely and happily with out fear of persicution. If everything I ever did was held over my head forever then I would be cursed as well. Granted being a sex offender is a hanus crime and yet ANOTHER reason to never breed, but everyone deserves forgivness.

tell that to this guys 6 year old daughter that hasnt spoken a complete sentence since this happened.....

http://www.wvstatepolice.com/sexoff/WebDetails.cfm?OffenderID=1395

raped 26 times in 2 weeks, yup, he sure does need forgiveness. hmmmm perhaps if he was beaten to death WITH the bible it might just maybe cleanse his soul

[urgeok]

Originally posted by Iniquity
tell that to this guys 6 year old daughter that hasnt spoken a complete sentence since this happened.....

http://www.wvstatepolice.com/sexoff/WebDetails.cfm?OffenderID=1395

raped 26 times in 2 weeks, yup, he sure does need forgiveness. hmmmm perhaps if he was beaten to death WITH the bible it might just maybe cleanse his soul


i'll forgive any pedophile piece of shit -- as i'm sawing through his jugular with rusty razor wire.

[Vodstok]

Ahem...

(Steps up on soapbox)

Pedophilia is a sociopathic disorder, much like serial killing. The offender does not see people as people, but rather as things. They gain sexual pleasure and satisfaction from their acts. While much of the rush they get is physical, most of it is psychological. Even castration will not "rehabilitate" them, they can still get a psychological riush from performing the act.

In addition to the fact that their perversion is incurable, the damage they do is not like property damage or simply physical harm, what they do usually destroys the person for life. it is worse than murder. murder victims' suffering ends as part of the crime. Sex offender's victims usually have to live with it for the rest of their lives.

Not that this makes people who rape kids and then kill them to cover the evidence deserve any better. The families of the victims have to live with it.

They can be forgiven when the effects of their crimes stop affecting the victim and the poeple around them. Which is never.

With the problems inherent in our legal system, i cant see how anyone can consider time served for these crimwes as "justice". there is no toll they can pay that can come close to the damage done by their actions. Pedophilia should be an executable offense.

If you get convicted, you go to the front of the line at Death Row. Sentacned on Monday, dead by friday.

if you get convicted in a state thta doesnt have the death penalty, you get extradited to Texas, where you go to the front of the line.

The corpses of recently executed pedophiles get fed asd the last meal to those that are waiting to be put to death. Feed that fucking cycle....


(steps down from box)

I have a kid on the way... i want as much trash cleane dup before he/she is in the world as possible.

[urgeok]

you'll usually find that people are able to 'forgive' these pieces of inhuman shit scum until something happens to their child.

then all of a sudden it's in their backyard now.

[barbra]

everyone deserves to be forgiven, everyone

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by barbra
everyone deserves to be forgiven, everyone Nope.

I'm very old testament. burn, turn em into salt. swarm them with flies and locusts.

[barbra]

Originally posted by Vodstok
Nope.

I'm very old testament. burn, turn em into salt. swarm them with flies and locusts. too bad you haven't learned to smite yet, that could be a nice second job for you. Study up on those plauges and when you know them by heart take it out on all of man kind.

[Vodstok]

I tried to smite once. Turned out i "Smute", which is something very different. I made smut.

Must've gotten the wrong instructions. Fucking mail order....

[barbra]

the topic, the word smut, my horrible sense of humor..... Im walking away very slowly. Don't make any sudden movments and I'll forget all about it, hopefully

[urgeok]

Originally posted by Vodstok
Nope.

I'm very old testament. burn, turn em into salt. swarm them with flies and locusts.

mulch them into grease.
use that grease for the machine you use to mulch them with.

[ShankS]

public flogging then hanging is what these people need.....

.....all that psychological instability shit fed to us by do-gooders... these molestors/rapists know that to get their kicks fullfilled, they need to carry out what they do, they know exactly what they're doing. Mental instability diagnosis papers, presented in court, are writen by more do-gooders, who believe that acts of the criminals are far more significant, than the life term wellbeing of the victims.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by ShankS
public flogging then hanging is what these people need.....



pay per view ?

all proceeds go to the victims ?

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by ShankS
public flogging then hanging is what these people need.....

.....all that psychological instability shit fed to us by do-gooders... these molestors/rapists know that to get their kicks fullfilled, they need to carry out what they do, they know exactly what they're doing. Mental instability diagnosis papers, presented in court, are writen by more do-gooders, who believe that acts of the criminals are far more significant, than the life term wellbeing of the victims.

um... isn't posting stuff like that illegal? and i mean, some people do make mistakes... i mean, my best friend's dad got arrested and is on that very site, i don't look at him any differently, and to say the term "bible thumpers" wtf is up with that buddy? i'm sure you stand for free speech, or you wouldn't have posted that on the fucking forum, so how about you leave other people alone and stick to movies dude, some people can get offended by shit like that... <ANGER> :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[ShankS]

Originally posted by dev!ls advocate
um... isn't posting stuff like that illegal? and i mean, some people do make mistakes... i mean, my best friend's dad got arrested and is on that very site, i don't look at him any differently, and to say the term "bible thumpers" wtf is up with that buddy? i'm sure you stand for free speech, or you wouldn't have posted that on the fucking forum, so how about you leave other people alone and stick to movies dude, some people can get offended by shit like that... <ANGER> :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


how about the molestors and rapists leave children alone, and no my thoughts that I type out are not illegal, it's the thoughts of the criminals that are illegal.... maybe they should leave the planet and have their heads removed.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by dev!ls advocate
um... isn't posting stuff like that illegal? and i mean, some people do make mistakes... i mean, my best friend's dad got arrested and is on that very site, i don't look at him any differently, and to say the term "bible thumpers" wtf is up with that buddy? i'm sure you stand for free speech, or you wouldn't have posted that on the fucking forum, so how about you leave other people alone and stick to movies dude, some people can get offended by shit like that... <ANGER> :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

then maybe you can imagine how offended people with kids can get when they read about yet another repeat offender destroying another childs life.

scratching someone's car is a mistake.
molesting a child ISNT A FUCKING MISTAKE - its a sick crime commited by a sick animal.
i dont care if it's your buddy's dad, or your dad, or anyone else.

i'm tired of the fucking excuses we all want to make for these scumbags.

[Vodstok]

in public.

1 quart angry honey bees.

inserted into specially designed pants. the beeds start at the ass, and their only path is through the taint, to the genitals, then out the front.

Follow-up. Asuuming the perp isnt allergic to bees and has already died, the same pants are then subjected to a quart of brown recluse spiders. perp is shaken violently.

time is given to see if the poison kills the perp, or if it jyust cause necrosis. if necrosis takes effect, perp gets number of years equalling the number of spiders and bees that lived. once the time runs out, he is hooked up to a pneumatic device that pulls his limbs in opposite directions and left until dead. if he doesnt come apart, he is left to starve and dehydrate. device is prefereably in an area with a lot of sun.

If perp does not die or contract necrosis, his genitals are then smashed repeatedly with a ball-peen hammer. This continues unabated until the perp dies, wether from exposure, trauma or blood loss.

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by urgeok
then maybe you can imagine how offended people with kids can get when they read about yet another repeat offender destroying another childs life.

scratching someone's car is a mistake.
molesting a child ISNT A FUCKING MISTAKE - its a sick crime commited by a sick animal.
i dont care if it's your buddy's dad, or your dad, or anyone else.

i'm tired of the fucking excuses we all want to make for these scumbags.

understandably so, but still, maybe SOME do deserve to burn in hell, and MOST will, but there are a select few who don't deserve that, we've all made mistakes in life, some more serious than others

[urgeok]

Originally posted by Vodstok
in public.

1 quart angry honey bees.

inserted into specially designed pants. the beeds start at the ass, and their only path is through the taint, to the genitals, then out the front.

Follow-up. Asuuming the perp isnt allergic to bees and has already died, the same pants are then subjected to a quart of brown recluse spiders. perp is shaken violently.

time is given to see if the poison kills the perp, or if it jyust cause necrosis. if necrosis takes effect, perp gets number of years equalling the number of spiders and bees that lived. once the time runs out, he is hooked up to a pneumatic device that pulls his limbs in opposite directions and left until dead. if he doesnt come apart, he is left to starve and dehydrate. device is prefereably in an area with a lot of sun.

If perp does not die or contract necrosis, his genitals are then smashed repeatedly with a ball-peen hammer. This continues unabated until the perp dies, wether from exposure, trauma or blood loss.


my problem with all of this is tax payers expense.
just find the cheapest way to do it.

[ShankS]

Originally posted by dev!ls advocate
understandably so, but still, maybe SOME do deserve to burn in hell, and MOST will, but there are a select few who don't deserve that, we've all made mistakes in life, some more serious than others

what do you mean some??

so how can you justify, one molestor gets one punishment and the other molestor gets a lesser punisment or nothing... :confused:

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by dev!ls advocate
understandably so, but still, maybe SOME do deserve to burn in hell, and MOST will, but there are a select few who don't deserve that, we've all made mistakes in life, some more serious than others Um, explain how fucking a little child can be a "mistake"...


Originally posted by urgeok
my problem with all of this is tax payers expense.
just find the cheapest way to do it.


Nah, sell peanuts and cracker jacks, beer, hotdogs.... the proceeds go to the execution, the rest goes to the families of the victim(s).

its fool proof and ensures great suffering.

[dev!ls advocate]

guys, seriously, we all take different sides on different subjects, and everyone has different points of view, but honestly, is this really the one to be posted on a forum like this? i'm all for free speech, and stuff like that, but c'mon...

[ShankS]

Originally posted by dev!ls advocate
guys, seriously, we all take different sides on different subjects, and everyone has different points of view, but honestly, is this really the one to be posted on a forum like this? i'm all for free speech, and stuff like that, but c'mon...

justify yourself advocate.

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by ShankS
what do you mean some??

so how can you justify, one molestor gets one punishment and the other molestor gets a lesser punisment or nothing... :confused:


well in all actuality there's no way to do that, it wouldnt stand up in court either way, it's wrong and they should be punished, but i think bees in someones pants, or public "flogging and hanging" are a little extreme

[urgeok]

Originally posted by dev!ls advocate
understandably so, but still, maybe SOME do deserve to burn in hell, and MOST will, but there are a select few who don't deserve that, we've all made mistakes in life, some more serious than others


yeah .. i've made mistakes ..none of them are crimes.

i didnt go 'oops - i just destroyed a childs life'

you get drunk, hop in the car, kill a family ... is that another little mistake ?

no - its another fucking crime ...

fuck people and their mistakes.
their birth was a mistake.

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by ShankS
justify yourself advocate.

i'm trying, but everytime i hit refresh, someone else says something, basically what i'm trying to get at is that no matter what the crime, people can still be forgiven, and yes, some people on these websites do deserve death, but if they 'fess up, and get some help then we should move on, not execute, or torture, or anything like that

[ShankS]

Originally posted by dev!ls advocate
well in all actuality there's no way to do that, it wouldnt stand up in court either way, it's wrong and they should be punished, but i think bees in someones pants, or public "flogging and hanging" are a little extreme

not at all, public humiliation is what is needed.

A child is humiliated under the rapists terms, so the rapist should be humiliated under the childs parent or guardians terms... public persecution and punisment is what is needed.

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by urgeok
yeah .. i've made mistakes ..none of them are crimes.

i didnt go 'oops - i just destroyed a childs life'

you get drunk, hop in the car, kill a family ... is that another little mistake ?

no - its another fucking crime ...

fuck people and their mistakes.
their birth was a mistake.

now there's a grade a mentality! lets kill everyone and move on! and then what... and yeah, i'm glad you brought the getting drunk thing up, people make horrible mistakes like this all the time, but do we execute them? do we put their faces on a website, do we post in a forum, "look wat this drunk asshole did, and get this! he lives near me!" no, why is that?

[urgeok]

these fuckers cant be helped.

they arent human..they can't function in society without destroying the lives of everyone they come in contact with.

they are wired wrong - and there is no way to rewire them.

if you are a hetrosexual - do you think you can be 'healed' into being gay ?

or vice versa ?

not a chance - you are what you are.
if children sexually excite you now - they always will .. and you have no fucking place on my planet.

[jenna26]

Originally posted by ShankS
what do you mean some??

so how can you justify, one molestor gets one punishment and the other molestor gets a lesser punisment or nothing... :confused:

I have no sympathy for pedophiles or anyone that harms a child. At all. And I believe they deserve whatever they get and more (I have known of too many that serve a few years just to be released to attack another child).

But, I may be wrong, I have heard that even men that served time for statutory rape are on these lists because they are sex offenders. And I think there is a huge difference between a twenty-five year old man having sex with a fifteen year old girl who maybe he thinks is eighteen and a man that rapes a three year little girl (just examples of degrees).

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by urgeok
these fuckers cant be helped.

they arent human..they can't function in society without destroying the lives of everyone they come in contact with.

they are wired wrong - and there is no way to rewire them.

if you are a hetrosexual - do you think you can be 'healed' into being gay ?

or vice versa ?

not a chance - you are what you are.
if children sexually excite you now - they always will .. and you have no fucking place on my planet.

well, seeing that shit like that works, i would have to call you wrong on that one BUT! you are right in thinking that some can't be "rewired" but thats like saying druggies and stuff like that don't belong in your world either, if you do drugs then you're wired to do drugs, so get rid of them, and people that speed, them too, ooh and people that drink... or the people that do this, or the people that do that, hey... i just relized somethin, people are different! EVERYONE'S WIRED DIFFERENTLY! i'm not attempting to say they're all right, i'm just saying that SOME PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES! and they should be punished accordingly, not FUCKING PUBLICALLY EXECUTED!

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by jenna26
I have no sympathy for pedophiles or anyone that harms a child. At all. And I believe they deserve whatever they get and more (I have known of too many that serve a few years just to be released to attack another child).

But, I may be wrong, I have heard that even men that served time for statutory rape are on these lists because they are sex offenders. And I think there is a huge difference between a twenty-five year old man having sex with a fifteen year old girl who maybe he thinks is eighteen and a man that rapes a three year little girl (just examples of degrees).

thank you!

[urgeok]

Originally posted by dev!ls advocate
now there's a grade a mentality! lets kill everyone and move on! and then what... and yeah, i'm glad you brought the getting drunk thing up, people make horrible mistakes like this all the time, but do we execute them? do we put their faces on a website, do we post in a forum, "look wat this drunk asshole did, and get this! he lives near me!" no, why is that?

i dont know !! we should !!!

if you fuck with other peoples rights - you just forfeited your rights

end of story.



i'll assume you are too young to understand whats happening in the world ... i was once too..

but i just spent 44 years listening to shit in the news .. the same shit most people take for granted ...

killing for the fun of it .. raping, molesting and killing children.
i hear it every fucking day of my life and i have to turn the radio off to keep me from weeping.

but holy fuck, lets do the right thing and take care of these scum - after all , they are people too ! we are better than them .. so lets make another failed attempt to rehabilitate the uncurable.
then they can attack someone elses child and we'll explain to the parents that loved that child why this fucking piece of shit was allowed to offend again.

this is a planet of excuses .. everyone has a fucking excuse.

2005 and its still the wild west - predators and prey ...

time to wake up.

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by jenna26
I have no sympathy for pedophiles or anyone that harms a child. At all. And I believe they deserve whatever they get and more (I have known of too many that serve a few years just to be released to attack another child).

But, I may be wrong, I have heard that even men that served time for statutory rape are on these lists because they are sex offenders. And I think there is a huge difference between a twenty-five year old man having sex with a fifteen year old girl who maybe he thinks is eighteen and a man that rapes a three year little girl (just examples of degrees).

agreed. Statutory rape gets tossed on guys who think with their dicks and piss off underaged girls often, but Pedophiles are the ones who should have their pictures up. if they have both, they should at leats detail the crimes.

for dante, read this if you havent alread:
Originally posted by Vodstok
Ahem...

(Steps up on soapbox)

Pedophilia is a sociopathic disorder, much like serial killing. The offender does not see people as people, but rather as things. They gain sexual pleasure and satisfaction from their acts. While much of the rush they get is physical, most of it is psychological. Even castration will not "rehabilitate" them, they can still get a psychological riush from performing the act.

In addition to the fact that their perversion is incurable, the damage they do is not like property damage or simply physical harm, what they do usually destroys the person for life. it is worse than murder. murder victims' suffering ends as part of the crime. Sex offender's victims usually have to live with it for the rest of their lives.

Not that this makes people who rape kids and then kill them to cover the evidence deserve any better. The families of the victims have to live with it.

They can be forgiven when the effects of their crimes stop affecting the victim and the poeple around them. Which is never.

With the problems inherent in our legal system, i cant see how anyone can consider time served for these crimwes as "justice". there is no toll they can pay that can come close to the damage done by their actions. Pedophilia should be an executable offense.

If you get convicted, you go to the front of the line at Death Row. Sentacned on Monday, dead by friday.

if you get convicted in a state thta doesnt have the death penalty, you get extradited to Texas, where you go to the front of the line.

The corpses of recently executed pedophiles get fed asd the last meal to those that are waiting to be put to death. Feed that fucking cycle....


(steps down from box)

I have a kid on the way... i want as much trash cleane dup before he/she is in the world as possible.

the damage is in the wiring. send it back to the factory.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by jenna26
I may be wrong, I have heard that even men that served time for statutory rape are on these lists because they are sex offenders. And I think there is a huge difference between a twenty-five year old man having sex with a fifteen year old girl who maybe he thinks is eighteen and a man that rapes a three year little girl (just examples of degrees).


i agree re. the blurred line there ...
i'm definately talking about children.... or any forced interferrence - of any age.

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by urgeok
i dont know !! we should !!!

if you fuck with other peoples rights - you just forfeited your rights

end of story.



i'll assume you are too young to understand whats happening in the world ... i was once too..

but i just spent 44 years listening to shit in the news .. the same shit most people take for granted ...

killing for the fun of it .. raping, molesting and killing children.
i hear it every fucking day of my life and i have to turn the radio off to keep me from weeping.

but holy fuck, lets do the right thing and take care of these scum - after all , they are people too ! we are better than them .. so lets make another failed attempt to rehabilitate the uncurable.
then they can attack someone elses child and we'll explain to the parents that loved that child why this fucking piece of shit was allowed to offend again.

this is a planet of excuses .. everyone has a fucking excuse.

2005 and its still the wild west - predators and prey ...

time to wake up.

hey dude, guess what, people can change, we live (or at least i do, i'm not sure where your from) the greatest country in the world where we can express our feelings and ideas freely, and i totally respect yours, but seriously... why kill them? they're people just like me and you, they're not the living dead, and they don't have some kind of "social plauge" some do granted, some totally turn around and yes, some do relapse, but don't they deserve a second chance?

[urgeok]

Originally posted by dev!ls advocate
hey dude, guess what, people can change, we live (or at least i do, i'm not sure where your from) the greatest country in the world where we can express our feelings and ideas freely, and i totally respect yours, but seriously... why kill them? they're people just like me and you, they're not the living dead, and they don't have some kind of "social plauge" some do granted, some totally turn around and yes, some do relapse, but don't they deserve a second chance?

just do one thing for me ...

use the internet .. check out the stats on re-offenders ...


(by the way - i live in canada - which is actually THE greatest country in the world :D

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by urgeok
i agree re. the blurred line there ...
i'm definately talking about children.... or any forced interferrence - of any age.

last i checked there was a thread of "What to do before you die" or something like that, and i believe someone said a three way with two SEVENTEEN year old girls, and yet no one seemed to correct him, 18 is legal, 17 and his ass would be on that list, so wait... isn't he just as bad as the people on this list? by your standards he is... so hey, why didn't anyone say any of this shit then?

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by urgeok

(by the way - i live in canada - which is actually THE greatest country in the world :D

lol, well the TWO greatest countries in the world (three w/ our pals the British) :D

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by dev!ls advocate
hey dude, guess what, people can change, we live (or at least i do, i'm not sure where your from) the greatest country in the world where we can express our feelings and ideas freely, and i totally respect yours, but seriously... why kill them? they're people just like me and you, they're not the living dead, and they don't have some kind of "social plauge" some do granted, some totally turn around and yes, some do relapse, but don't they deserve a second chance? Absolutely not.

if they fuck up once with one person, they have ruined one life. if they are given a "second chance" and they fuck up again, thats two. so do they get the opportunity to fuck up at least 2 lives before they are punished? why not 3 chances? or 4?

[urgeok]

Originally posted by dev!ls advocate
last i checked there was a thread of "What to do before you die" or something like that, and i believe someone said a three way with two SEVENTEEN year old girls, and yet no one seemed to correct him, 18 is legal, 17 and his ass would be on that list, so wait... isn't he just as bad as the people on this list? by your standards he is... so hey, why didn't anyone say any of this shit then?


because the guy who said it was probably 16 or 17 ..


if not - then that is fucked.
i didnt see it.


i want my 3some to be with older women .. (30's - 40's) they got it going on.

[dev!ls advocate]

and how about all the cases overturned by DNA evidence, and how about all the people proven guilty but are actually innocent, and what about the kid that lies, and says, "mommy mommy, that kid molested me" when in all actuality, she just doesnt like the man... wat about all that... hey i know, lets BURN THEM!

[barbra]

well if they float on water and are made of wood...

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by barbra
well if they float on water and are made of wood...

lol

[Vodstok]

that is the problem with our court system, innocent people get convicted, on occasion, and guilty are set free, on occasion. do we have no punishments on th eoff chance that someone didnt do it? better to err on the side of caution, maybe?

Has anyone close to you ever been molested or raped? get to know someone. It makes you calous to those kind sof people real quick. there is no second chance for the victim. their life is ruined, they have to live with someone else's mistake. there is no forgiveness for that, the harm is forever.

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by Vodstok
Absolutely not.

if they fuck up once with one person, they have ruined one life. if they are given a "second chance" and they fuck up again, thats two. so do they get the opportunity to fuck up at least 2 lives before they are punished? why not 3 chances? or 4?

i do think that there should be a cap on exactly how many chances you get (i.e. 2 chances) and then yeah, you're basically fucked, but not to death, to an asylum or something, the only thing that warrants death is death

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by Vodstok
that is the problem with our court system, innocent people get convicted, on occasion, and guilty are set free, on occasion. do we have no punishments on th eoff chance that someone didnt do it? better to err on the side of caution, maybe?

Has anyone close to you ever been molested or raped? get to know someone. It makes you calous to those kind sof people real quick. there is no second chance for the victim. their life is ruined, they have to live with someone else's mistake. there is no forgiveness for that, the harm is forever.

yeah, my sister was molested by well, none other then my uncle, which i guess is the REAL reason i fight so adamantly for it... and he's fine, he doesn't do anything like that nor would he ever if he wasn't piss drunk at the time, my sister tho, still doesn't talk to him, but she's fine too, she's completing college next year in business... so yeah, i do...

[Vodstok]

so they fuck one kid, shame on them, but lets make sure the first assault was just a mistake.

Oops, he fucked another little kid. yep, he's a bad guy incarcerate him.

do you have kids? do you want your kid to be the oops? tell him.her to live with it, the guy just made a mistake. he didnt mean to hold you down and hurt you like that, he was having a bad day.

you know, the catholic church followed that philosophy, and as a result, father james porter raped and molested over 100 kids.

Oops.

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by dev!ls advocate
yeah, my sister was molested by well, none other then my uncle, which i guess is the REAL reason i fight so adamantly for it... and he's fine, he doesn't do anything like that nor would he ever if he wasn't piss drunk at the time, my sister tho, still doesn't talk to him, but she's fine too, she's completing college next year in business... so yeah, i do... Wow, drunk. Nice excuse. No offense, but if i knew someone like that and he even glanced at my kid, i would warn him. next glance would get him a trip in an ambulance.

he wouldnt get a third, becuae if he came around again, i would kill him.

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by Vodstok
so they fuck one kid, shame on them, but lets make sure the first assault was just a mistake.

Oops, he fucked another little kid. yep, he's a bad guy incarcerate him.

do you have kids? do you want your kid to be the oops? tell him.her to live with it, the guy just made a mistake. he didnt mean to hold you down and hurt you like that, he was having a bad day.

you know, the catholic church followed that philosophy, and as a result, father james porter raped and molested over 100 kids.

Oops.

hey yeah lets just look at the bad, yeah, that always works huh, lets not however, look at the countless positive additions and contributions made in society by the people who were reformed, oh no, we can't do that

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by Vodstok
Wow, drunk. Nice excuse. No offense, but if i knew someone like that and he even glanced at my kid, i would warn him. next glance would get him a trip in an ambulance.

he wouldnt get a third, becuae if he came around again, i would kill him.

wow... aren't you an awsome example to your kids

[jenna26]

Originally posted by dev!ls advocate
and how about all the cases overturned by DNA evidence, and how about all the people proven guilty but are actually innocent, and what about the kid that lies, and says, "mommy mommy, that kid molested me" when in all actuality, she just doesnt like the man... wat about all that... hey i know, lets BURN THEM!

I feel sorry for the ones that are falsely accused and falsely convicted. And I am often very peeved by the police procedures that lead to these kinds of convictions....but they are in the minority. And while I want to believe that everyone deserves a second chance, I wouldn't dare put any child's life on the line to give that person that second chance. Look at the sheer number of repeat offenders and how their crimes actually worsen. The number that go in for rape and get out a few years later and start actually killing. It is frightening. And lots of times it could have been prevented.

But again, I see where you are coming from....to a point. Some people do make mistakes and then can change. I just wouldn't want to risk anyone I loved by betting on that.

[Vodstok]

I dont believ that they do reform. in every case i have read about the guys who were serial pedophiles or went on to kill to cover their tracks, they all "reformed" at some point. that was usually when the really disgusting shit started.


I look at the bad with this because there is no good in it.

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by dev!ls advocate
wow... aren't you an awsome example to your kids If my kid(s) defend their family the same way, the abso-fucking-lutely.

[filmmaker2]

Of the people I know that had that stuff happen to them when they were young, some turned out real, real, REAL screwed up. Some are emotionally dysfunctional, some are sex addicts who don't understand or care why they are that way, some eternally angry and violent towards the world because of experiences they are still unable to process or assimilate.

[barbra]

it was no ones business anyways, I never wanted to bring it up here, its over-good ridance. I gross myself out.

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by Vodstok
I dont believ that they do reform. in every case i have read about the guys who were serial pedophiles or went on to kill to cover their tracks, they all "reformed" at some point. that was usually when the really disgusting shit started.


I look at the bad with this because there is no good in it.

yeah buddy, there is good, there's always good, no matter what the circumstance, they'res always good in someone... aside from hitler and a handful of others, there's always good

[barbra]

Originally posted by dev!ls advocate
yeah buddy, there is good, there's always good, no matter what the circumstance, they'res always good in someone... aside from hitler and a handful of others, there's always good even hitler loved, and I come from a verr jewish family. If it wasn't for Hitler, my family would have never come here, and I would have never been born. Some days that would be a good thing, but all and all I enjoy living.

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by Vodstok
If my kid(s) defend their family the same way, the abso-fucking-lutely.

at what cost? "hey your dad killed a man because he looked at you funny... yeah now he's on death row"

yeah... i sure would be damn happy to hear that... but then again, maybe it is a good thing your kids protect their family(ies) but to what extreme?

[Vodstok]

i know there are those that simply make mistakes. Oprah Winfrey was raped by a cousin who was basically a confused kid. he took her out for ice cream later to try and make up for the mistake.

here is the point i am trying to make (i dont pretend my opinion is correct. i will continue to defend it though). I know "prevention" rarely happens. if the death penalty was a real preventive measure, people would not kill in states that have it. BUT, it does prevent some.

When it comes down to it, i truly think they should be given life sentances like most murderers. just make sure everyone in the prison knows who he is and what he did.

And if "prison justice" stops him from ever seeing his first parole hearing, so be it.

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by barbra
even hitler loved, and I come from a verr jewish family. If it wasn't for Hitler, my family would have never come here, and I would have never been born. Some days that would be a good thing, but all and all I enjoy living.

well i didn't want to say that because if i'd said it i'd have caught hella flak for saying it

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by dev!ls advocate
well i didn't want to say that because if i'd said it i'd have caught hella flak for saying it Hey, you caught flak anyway? what's one more thing? :)

[barbra]

when you go to prison, people know what it is you did, and child molesters do not get treated nicley not by inmates and not by the guards. The truth is is that what they do is so disgusting that its hard for anyone to see anything beyond the crime.

[Vodstok]

Hey, thats cool that you guys can forgive and see the good in things. i think i speak for urge too when i say i have grown very cynical about the world, and i hold grudges the people in the middle east would envy.

I do believe that in some cases, to fight monsters, we must become monsters. some garbage just needs to be atken out.

We have laws to keep vigilantes from running amok. that is great. And if the victim can forgive, fine. Just make godamn sure they dont do it again, because if they do, then your forgiveness is just an enabler to an evil person.

And i do believe that some people are just evil. they may have been made that way, but they are, and ther eis no forgiveness for evil. Richard Ramirez doesnt deserve forgiveness, he deserves death. Same with Pedro Lopez.

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by Vodstok
i know there are those that simply make mistakes. Oprah Winfrey was raped by a cousin who was basically a confused kid. he took her out for ice cream later to try and make up for the mistake.

here is the point i am trying to make (i dont pretend my opinion is correct. i will continue to defend it though). I know "prevention" rarely happens. if the death penalty was a real preventive measure, people would not kill in states that have it. BUT, it does prevent some.

When it comes down to it, i truly think they should be given life sentances like most murderers. just make sure everyone in the prison knows who he is and what he did.

And if "prison justice" stops him from ever seeing his first parole hearing, so be it.

you know what that makes you, a cold and mean spirited person, who basically doesn't care what people do, because even if it was a mistake, lets lock them up and throw away the key, and here's a quick question, what about the people who drive drunk and kill, what about them, lets do the same to them because that was a mistake too, oh wait... people can't make mistakes, i forgot, they deserve a life sentence or death too

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by Vodstok
Hey, you caught flak anyway? what's one more thing? :)

lol, good point

[Vodstok]

here is what i have been trying to get at though (no, i am neither cold nor mean spirited. I am extremely empathetic, but passionate baout my beliefs as well)


Those are VERY different crimes. I even consider murder a lesser crime, because the victim's suffereing is over. Child molestation and rape causes people to have problems for their entire life, starting at a very young age. it is cruelty at its worst. I dont believe that even as a "mistake" that that makes it any lesser. People need to have at least that much control

i am by no means equating a child rapist with a shoplifter or a drunk driver....

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by Vodstok
here is what i have been trying to get at though (no, i am neither cold nor mean spirited. I am extremely empathetic, but passionate baout my beliefs as well)


Those are VERY different crimes. I even consider murder a lesser crime, because the victim's suffereing is over. Child molestation and rape causes people to have problems for their entire life, starting at a very young age. it is cruelty at its worst. I dont believe that even as a "mistake" that that makes it any lesser. People need to have at least that much control

i am by no means equating a child rapist with a shoplifter or a drunk driver....

...well i would agree but disagree, i think even as a mistake punishment is in order, i never said that it wasn't all i said was that rehabilitation was a definite thing to do after jail time, but i just think that everyone deserves a second chance

[jenna26]

Originally posted by barbra
you know, being a girl, having conversations with girls, you would be surprised at how many rape victums you actually know. My grandfather fucked me. Really, I don't like to talk about it at all, I really don't want to think about it. For the longest time I was scared of anything with a penis, but I grew, I learned and I forgave. I really wasn't going to write about any of this, because its none of your business but you guys are just like the bleeding hearts. Instead of understanding the perpitrator, you are only seeing the victum. It goes both ways. I understand the victum didn't do anything to be in the position they are in and the criminal made the choice to do what they did but both lives are ruined, both people changed by the events that took place. I know one girl who enjoyed her experiance, or at least says she did and uses sex to cope. Im sure there are a number of offenders who learned from what they did and try to live a healthy life post rape. Not everyone is evil and vile. People have remorse. Remorse is a powerful thing and so is forgivness. Acting out on the people that did you wrong puts you in the same class as the criminals only you are able to feel better because you have 'justification'. Its all bullshit and when you take sides then you are in the same class as the people that opose you just like you share the same veiw with the people who agree. Its all relitive.

I personally don't believe in vigilante justice. It isn't justice and too many mistakes could be made. And yes, two lives are ruined. But you hit on the difference, the victim isn't given a choice. The offender has the control. They could have gotten help before they went too far. They could have stopped. But they didn't. The victims are the ones that need to be protected. Not the offenders. I am of the mind that once a person pays his debt to society, in most cases, then that person should be allowed to live his life. But because they chose to commit that crime, they have to deal with the consquences. And if it is a henious crime, and forcing yourself on a child is a henious crime, then we need a way to make sure that person doesn't have the opportunity to hurt someone else. And that isn't happening.

But this is a touchy subject for me. Because you are right, I think many, even most, girls have been through this. I am one of them and the one that did it to me didn't deal with any consquences because he had me too scared to do a damn thing about it. He was a predator, pure and simple. I spent over a year of my life, every day, in fear of this man and still do at times. And I will never forgive that, I can't. Maybe you are a bigger person then I am. But I just can't.

[Gren the cake]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
I swear, the (IN)justice system in this country really makes me sick sometimes...

You want rights in this country?...Commit a crime...As soon as you're arrested they tell you that "you have the right to..."...Well, you know the rest...And I'm not just being funny here, either...It really DOES seem like the criminals have more rights than we do...
hmmm.. i dunno about that shit. try taking some law classes first.

there is a difference between saying 'this man molested a child' and 'this man is a child molestor.' like i mentioned earlier, you are registered for LIFE. as in. there are men/women here that want to do it everyday, have done it to several, will continue to do so, and then there are the men/women that only did it once. 50 years later, they are still registered

everyone fucks up. doesnt give you a reason to treat em any less human. the gov't is already branded them, theyve had to pay $$, spend time in jail.. blah blah, but that doesnt give ANYONE the right to put further punishment it into their own hands

WHY was gov't created? becuz some peopel straight up DONT realize that hey, you really SHOULDNt steal, SHOULDNT kill someone. etc etc.. trying to appease the masses.. if you will. go with the general morality of people. well same goes for 'street justice' - a lot of fools take it too far.. so yeh. id definitely stick any kidn of moron that woudl just run after someone. even on this list.. you dont nkow the whole story..

a lot of angry, negative folk on this board.. ive noticed. as in, you are al so quick to point out the fucker thatl kidnap a child, but say nothign about the thousands of volunteers who will take time off of work, play to go find a complete stranger...

[urgeok]

most rapes arent reported...

the girls often feel shame, are afraid - dont want to be portrayed as sluts in court.

often their boyfriends/husbands leave them .. the ramifications are endless.

No one - NO-ONE gets through a molestation or rape unscathed.
even if you dont see it now - its there.

there was a trial in toronto not long ago where a group of pedophiles were abusing children at the maple leaf gardens (the old home of the toronto maple leafs)

it had been going on for years ... one of the victims from years ago became a victim again when he recently commited suicide..

[Gren the cake]

Originally posted by Vodstok
When it comes down to it, i truly think they should be given life sentances like most murderers. just make sure everyone in the prison knows who he is and what he did.
there are about 2 million in prison as it is. to build a cell costs $7000 and upkeep of about $2000 a year.

to put someone to death costs $2.1 million and to put them in jail for 50 years costs around $250,000.

be prepared maybe to increase taxes... tenfold?

or is it one of those things where you want it but are unwillingly to fork over any money for it...........

[dev!ls advocate]

punishment, then reconciliation, then rehabilitation, and then assimilation, in that order, thats how it should be

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by dev!ls advocate
last i checked there was a thread of "What to do before you die" or something like that, and i believe someone said a three way with two SEVENTEEN year old girls, and yet no one seemed to correct him, 18 is legal, 17 and his ass would be on that list, so wait... isn't he just as bad as the people on this list? by your standards he is... so hey, why didn't anyone say any of this shit then? The person who posted that response just turned 18 years old, just one year older than those 'imaginary' 17 year-olds...That's hardly the same as someone advocating child molestation...

Originally posted by Gren the cake
hmmm.. i dunno about that shit. try taking some law classes first.

I don't need a law class to know that something isn't right when people are told to 'leave the poor sex offender alone, or you'll be punished"...To me that means that we are being told to let the criminal just forget about it, so that he/she can move on with his/her life, and let it go......While, on the flipside, the victim has to live with it forever (if they don't commit suicide because of it), and they can NEVER let it go...In addition to that, some people forget that the criminals intentionally do things that they SHOULD be punished for, and they KNOW while they are doing it that they are doing something that they should be punished for, while the victim did not have any say in this shit, and definitely didn't ask for it...

I'm just sick of ALL of the laws that are made to protect criminals, and if you don't think that there ARE laws that are made to protect criminals, YOU need a few MORE law classes...

[dev!ls advocate]

i'm fairly sure everyone left this thread for dead around like 3:00...

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by dev!ls advocate
i'm fairly sure everyone left this thread for dead around like 3:00... Shit...Are you kidding me?...We can pick shit back up after MONTHS...lol :p

[dev!ls advocate]

lol, well i am a newb here =p

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by dev!ls advocate
lol, well i am a newb here =p Yeah...That was a little obvious when you seemed surprised that we were even discussing this issue here...We have discussed EVERYTHING here...

Politics
Religion
Abortion
Gay Marriage
Drug Legalization
Welfare
Sex (in many different forms)
And even penis size:rolleyes:

As well as ANYTHING else you can possibly imagine...

[dev!ls advocate]

lol, good to kno good to kno....