Spatter, Horror, Gore

[urgeok]

This is sort of a true confessions ..

since joining this forum i realized I have been going through some changes (not just the bad knees and greying hair)

When i was the age of most of the younger folk here i was eating up anything horror .. absolutely anything. And the gorier the better ... gobs of it - i couldnt get enough.

I've noticed lately - as a direct result of reflecting on a lot of the posts i see here, that i'm not satisfied with just any old thing anymore .. i need some substance and/or some unique style - to hold my interest.

I started collecting horror since the Beta machine was available .. i have a bunch of forgotten titles that 99% of the people here wouldn't have known existed .. i grabbed every sleezy lurid low budget flick i could lay my hands on.

I found myself lately getting - not squeamish - but more turned off by what people considered cool gore movies ..
I really though i had changed - mellowed with age until recently -
I bought (with great apprehention) the Story of Ricky, thinking that i should see it after the several references i saw to it here and elsewhere.

Well, to my suprise i found myself having a riot - i loved the movie - it awakened the old feelings i hadnt had in years seeing crazy gore and a nutty story ..

So upon reflection i started to think back on the movies i always liked and still do - the evil deads, the early jackson, the Romero films .. and i measured that against things like Ichy, last house, i spit ..etc... and i realized that i havent changed - the movies have (i know, i know .. a couple of these are old .. but i never liked them)
I find that the gory horror films i like are the rediculous ones .. not the ones that are mean spirited and realistic ..(rape and revenge, etc)
A guess i'm showing my age and old fashion ideals when i say - i hate violence against women portrayed in films - especially for entertainment purposes - thats not the kind of exploitation i appreciate. Sure if they want to parade around in lingerie or nude .. hell yeah - i can appreciate that no problem .. but when it comes to the violence ..
there's enough of that shit on the news - i know its there, i dont need it rubbed in my face ..
(we all take a shit every day - that doesnt mean i want to take a look in your toilets after you finish to check it out - know what i mean)

anyway - just something i was pondering ... and some praise for a crazy little movie that restored my faith in myself ... i'm no softer than i used to be ... but i am more selective ...

and once more, for the record while i'm at it :

(most) slasher movies are boring and stupid.



ooohh i can hear a gasp !! 'we cant say that on Horror !!!'

:D

[newb]

I agree about the slasher movies. Thats why I don't have any in my collection......ok...I do have the first Nightmare on Elm Street movie....and Freddy vs Jason....but thats it.
Its probably an age thing Urge.....because I feel the same way, I was going to pick up "Last House on the Left on DVD but decided I really didn't want it for just the reason you stated.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by newb
I agree about the slasher movies. Thats why I don't have any in my collection......ok...I do have the first Nightmare on Elm Street movie....and Freddy vs Jason....but thats it.
Its probably an age thing Urge.....because I feel the same way, I was going to pick up "Last House on the Left on DVD but decided I really didn't want it for just the reason you stated.

age - by way of - the longer you're on the earth the more of this shit you hear of in real life every day - till it sickens you to the core.

we've a long way to go before we become civilized..

[bwind22]

(we all take a shit every day - that doesnt mean i want to take a look in your toilets after you finish to check it out - know what i mean)


I could get a good look at a T-bone if I stuck my head up a cow's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it, ya know what I mean?



Anyways, I agree on the exploitation films. I'm not a fan of realistic violence that you see on the news every day because to me, that's not really entertaining. (And I'm only 24!) Cannibal Holocaust was enough to turn me off of those kind of movies completely.

I do like alot of slash flicks though.

[filmmaker2]

Generally speaking, as I get older, I find I have less of a taste for really bloodthirsty, graphic horror. For various reasons, I agree with Stephen King's statement that horror is a thing for "the young"...

If it is gory and I own it or watch it, this is usually because it is allegorical or cartoonish...

But I like a LOT of bad films and weird films also, and some of those are gory, but I enjoy a certain weird cheese factor here. Like there is this movie I just love love love, a sunken treasure hunt movie called "Evil In The Deep" which has some really nice moments of shocking 70's violence, but I'm not getting off on the violence itself, I notice, as much as on the film's shameless whoring of the violence. (It also has Rosey Grier and Cheryl Ladd and Stephen Boyd, so what's not to like?)

[barbra]

Originally posted by urgeok
age - by way of - the longer you're on the earth the more of this shit you hear of in real life every day - till it sickens you to the core.

we've a long way to go before we become civilized.. so much for being desensitized

[zwoti]

Originally posted by urgeok
i need some substance and/or some unique style - to hold my interest.

:D

so two in the stomach - one in the head - two in the stomach etc.....isn't enough eh :D

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

I just want disgusting amounts of gore. :D

[urgeok]

Originally posted by zwoti
so two in the stomach - one in the head - two in the stomach etc.....isn't enough eh :D


at least Romeros boys got it right eventually :D

[zwoti]

Originally posted by urgeok
at least Romeros boys got it right eventually :D

even flyboy :rolleyes:

[urgeok]

Originally posted by zwoti
even flyboy :rolleyes:


exactly :)

[LilMissScareAll]

I think the mean spirited, realistic ones about revenge are the best. :D That's basically what my movie will be(if it ever gets made, that is).

[urgeok]

Originally posted by LilMissScareAll
I think the mean spirited, realistic ones about revenge are the best. :D That's basically what my movie will be(if it ever gets made, that is).


you so crazy !!

:p

[The Mothman]

Originally posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X
I just want disgusting amounts of gore. :D
i agree...the more the better. I dont know why its so entertaining to see blood and gore, but something about it just brings a smile to my face.

[urgeok]

i love gore ... it just depends on how its presented ...

[Marroe]

Originally posted by urgeok
i love gore ... it just depends on how its presented ... yes, I like the gore...but I don't much care for the realistic gore (such as the aborted fetus thing). Some things just disturb me. I say, just give me the zombies, creatures, and ghosts and I'm a happy gal.

[AUSTIN316426808]

I don't like to much gore I think it kills the movie when you're just getting a bucket of blood thrown in your face every couple of minutes.

[barbra]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
I don't like to much gore I think it kills the movie when you're just getting a bucket of blood thrown in your face every couple of minutes. I like that. When its over the top, its more entertaining....to me

[Elvis_Christ]

Originally posted by urgeok

I started collecting horror since the Beta machine was available .. i have a bunch of forgotten titles that 99% of the people here wouldn't have known existed .. i grabbed every sleezy lurid low budget flick i could lay my hands on.


Do you still have a working Beta machine?

[urgeok]

Originally posted by Elvis_Christ
Do you still have a working Beta machine?

i have 6 or 7 working beta machines

i had 2 really high end players that got destroyed during my last more ... i wasnt happy

[The Mothman]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
I don't like to much gore I think it kills the movie when you're just getting a bucket of blood thrown in your face every couple of minutes.
every time i see overdone gore, it gets me excired. you could have amovie with a terrible plot, terrible acting, and terrible everything thing else, but if you throw enough gore into it, i will still love it. thats how muchi love movie gore.:D

[Tat2]

Urge, I understand where you're coming from. I love gore as much as the next "Gore-hound" but I want a little thing called a plot to go along with it. I want a movie to hold my interest and to enable me to get lost in it, taking me out of reality for 90 or so minutes. A movie (and I use that term loosly) that continuously throws and squirts blood and buckets of guts at you without at least a half-assed desent plot can't take me where I want to go.

I still love movies like Last House on the Left and Don't Look in the Basement, movies that contained plot and depth. But as one who also has collected horror movies since Betas were the rage, I have "matured" abit in what drives my horror "wants." I can no longer handle things such as the dead fetus shots or evil towards children not because I have gotten older, wiser or more sensative, but because I am a 41 year old parent who spent 14 years working in a Maximum Security Prison and have seen the court documents and evidence photos of real-life monsters that done unspeakable crimes towards children, wodering why in the Hell didn't someome just kill and torture these fuckers, instead of allowing them to live at the expense of "us Taxpayers"

I suppose as your life changes, not by age but by life experiences such as Marriage, Divorce, Parenthood, personal trauma, Religious beliefs and the like...our tastes in Horror also changes.

[jay o2 waster]

im personaly a stone cold gore hound from the cradle to the grave

[Elvis_Christ]

Originally posted by urgeok
i have 6 or 7 working beta machines

i had 2 really high end players that got destroyed during my last more ... i wasnt happy

That sucks when shit like that happens I lost a bunch of my LP collection awhile back when I moved :mad:
So you still have the Beta machines hooked up to watch movies or are they in storage. You must have some out of it shit on Beta there must have been a shitload of "video nasties" kicking about then. Beta never really took off over here so the players and tapes are few and far between. I'd like to find one that works and a bunch of movies.

[tom smud]

you guys are right.....you really get your money worth!

i bought "secret window" not a bad flick......but whats the use of watching it again....you know the punch.......but if it had some descent gore in it....well....there would be a lot more replay value

[urgeok]

Originally posted by Elvis_Christ
That sucks when shit like that happens I lost a bunch of my LP collection awhile back when I moved :mad:
So you still have the Beta machines hooked up to watch movies or are they in storage. You must have some out of it shit on Beta there must have been a shitload of "video nasties" kicking about then. Beta never really took off over here so the players and tapes are few and far between. I'd like to find one that works and a bunch of movies.

i always have one hooked up - the others are backup machines (not like they're making them anymore - you know ?)
I do have a few weird little titles on beta you wont find anywhere else too easily ..the run of the mill titles are being replaced by laser and DVD. The rest I'll eventually convert to DVD ..
Hopefully I'll find the time before they 'go bad'

[gnarly]

Originally posted by urgeok


(most) slasher movies are boring and stupid.



ooohh i can hear a gasp !! 'we cant say that on Horror !!!'

:D


dont give me that pussy shit

[urgeok]

Originally posted by gnarly
dont give me that pussy shit

ok .. sure ... whatever you say.

[The Mothman]

Originally posted by gnarly
dont give me that pussy shit
dickhead.

[darrick]

what about gore, no plot, but lots of pussy? not too many films have that. anybody see Blood Sucking Freaks? what about realistic torture and degredation ala Ilsa She Wolf of the SS?

i must confess i've never seen an aborted fetus horror movie. can i get the title of that one?

lots of blood seems to be taboo again with horror movies. and sadly, pale children as the "be all and end all" of horror has replaced the gore gush.

DAMN IT

[crazy raplh]

I am drunk ass shit I say bring on the gore yeeeeeee haaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[ShankS]

always been a fan of gore, the realy cheesy low quality stuff used to get me going, but I've seen well produced and filmed gore now, so whenever I go back to watching the stuff I used to think was good, it looks crap now so I rely more on the story being ok otherwise I'll probably never watch a particular film again.

[fannyface]

Originally posted by Tat2
I love gore as much as the next "Gore-hound"
Gore is just not the same these days...

[ShankS]

Originally posted by fannyface
Gore is just not the same these days...

you have a card for everything, rather like zwoti and his smilies for everything.

[I,ZOMBIE]

now i hate cgi blood and cgi anything. but if you get a chance to see zatiochi the blind swordsman... thhe blood in that is amazing. i read that the director said there was so much blood in the movie he used film of flowers blossiming and used that as the cgi of the blood.... so all the blood has the visual of flowers blosoming, on a theatre screen it is really intresting see. and a damn good kung fu flick. gore gore gore. he takes on like 200 people in one scene of limbs flying... blood everywhere.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by I,ZOMBIE
now i hate cgi blood and cgi anything. but if you get a chance to see zatiochi the blind swordsman... thhe blood in that is amazing. i read that the director said there was so much blood in the movie he used film of flowers blossiming and used that as the cgi of the blood.... so all the blood has the visual of flowers blosoming, on a theatre screen it is really intresting see. and a damn good kung fu flick. gore gore gore. he takes on like 200 people in one scene of limbs flying... blood everywhere.

the cgi blood in that movie was the only thing i didnt like about it.

cgi blood in a samurai film .. is unthinkable ...it looked completely wrong to me..

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally posted by fannyface
Gore is just not the same these days...

You stole my gimmick parodying your gimmick. :angry:... or :confused:

[Elvis_Christ]

Originally posted by urgeok
i always have one hooked up - the others are backup machines (not like they're making them anymore - you know ?)
I do have a few weird little titles on beta you wont find anywhere else too easily ..the run of the mill titles are being replaced by laser and DVD. The rest I'll eventually convert to DVD ..
Hopefully I'll find the time before they 'go bad'

Yeh videos tend to deteriote over time if there not stored properly, my roomate lost a bunch of the movies he'd made at broadcasting school because of condensation. Do you do the DVD conversions yourself?

[urgeok]

Originally posted by Elvis_Christ
Yeh videos tend to deteriote over time if there not stored properly, my roomate lost a bunch of the movies he'd made at broadcasting school because of condensation. Do you do the DVD conversions yourself?

yep, i have a set top burner that burns in real time ... does an excellent job..

i have had some of these tapes for over 20 years .. kept in ideal conditions .. even then they deteriorate (oxidization, etc)

its a shame ... the outsides go first so the movie is still usually playable ... just be a good idea to archive the rarer titles while i can .

[The Mothman]

on the topic of gore, what do you think is the goriest scene ever. (The lawnmower scene from dead alive doesnt count)

[ShankS]

Originally posted by The Mothman
on the topic of gore, what do you think is the goriest scene ever. (The lawnmower scene from dead alive doesnt count)

don't think you'd get a 'goriest' scene, all depends how people see a particular scene...how stong their stomach is etc

X-Tention aka Switchbalde Romance has good scenes.

[urgeok]

thats a hard one ... i'm sure that the people who like the mondo gore films will come up with shit i couldnt bare to watch ...

but for me .. i think the most effective scene that made me cringe because of the gore ... is still the pencil in the ankle in Evil Dead ..
simplistic but very origional and gory in its own small way :)

[The Mothman]

Originally posted by urgeok
thats a hard one ... i'm sure that the people who like the mondo gore films will come up with shit i couldnt bare to watch ...

but for me .. i think the most effective scene that made me cringe because of the gore ... is still the pencil in the ankle in Evil Dead ..
simplistic but very origional and gory in its own small way :)
yes, and the sound effects were TERRIBLE! crunching bones and all that sounds. damn.

same with the part when the demon bites off her own hand.

[fannyface]

Originally posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X
You stole my gimmick parodying your gimmick. :angry:... or :confused:
Yeah, thanks for the idea but I'm gonna draw the line at posting naughty pictures of myself;)

[The Mothman]

wtf im the only one online...........

[ENTITY2000]

wes craven's new nightmare is on if anybody cares
it's on amc.