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Leslie Daher

03-11-2005, 10:15 AM

I've been to the movies recently and saw "Constantine" and "Be Cool"
I saw the trailers for the new HOUSE OF WAX and AMITYVILLE and was feeling a bit flustered. I guess the thought of a remake is cool b/c you can update the special effects and what not, but are remakes really any better than the original? I saw the new TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE and I've heard that a remake of HALLOWEEN is in the works (which in my opinion is career suicide for anyone who attempts to remake that classic) and it leaves me feeling flat. Am I wrong?

Vodstok

03-11-2005, 10:18 AM

http://horror.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14258

bloodrayne

03-11-2005, 10:19 AM

No new ideas...

Apparently, it's much easier to (attempt to) improve on an already existing idea...Rather than actually come up with something new, all on your own...:rolleyes:

Leslie Daher

03-11-2005, 10:30 AM

i'm not really asking what movies SHOULD be remade...i'm saying should they be remade at all. HALLOWEEN is a classic, TCM classic....is hollywood so idea bankrupt that they've got to keep making the same old crap over and over. i mean, by the time some of us are 40 how many versions of TCM are there going to be? do we really need to keep finding movies for PARIS star in? i've said it before and i'll say it again-why can't they just come up w/ new ideas? how many of us here have great movie ideas? HELLO!

ENTITY2000

03-11-2005, 10:38 AM

what's with this pointless thread why didn't
you just write thisunder remakes? come up
w/ something more original.:p

Gren the cake

03-11-2005, 10:40 AM

it could be bad fuckin ass if theyd do it right

example. theres bunches of people that wouldnt even bother touchin the shit cuz its so old. myself included. yeh they were kinda neat but a bit slow running at times and corny. slow running as in just boring, not fitting

kinda like music sampling. some people think its 'stealing' but fact is it opens up music to people who wouldnt listen to it otherwise. alien ant farms rendition of 'annie' by michael jackson. sure theres gonan be some fools that are angered by it but fact is 1) they r getting royalties 2) a lot of these people are nothing right now, and its this sampling thats getting people to loook at them again

but ya. for the most part, the horror remakes are bloody fuckin horrid. SUCKS!!! in the end its money. all this money and fuckin resources they could use to make it kick fuckin ass and all they can think of is gettin shitty actors with a shitty story yad yada..

BlackWolf

03-11-2005, 11:26 AM

kinda like music sampling. some people think its 'stealing' but fact is it opens up music to people who wouldnt listen to it otherwise. alien ant farms rendition of 'annie' by michael jackson. sure theres gonan be some fools that are angered by it but fact is 1) they r getting royalties 2) a lot of these people are nothing right now, and its this sampling thats getting people to loook at them again
Hate to be a pain in the ass(o.k. I really do love bieng one), but the song is accutually called "Smooth Criminal", not "Annie".

IDrinkYourBlood

03-11-2005, 11:53 AM

This thread is created at least once every two months.

Vodstok

03-11-2005, 12:06 PM

"Remade" as it were.

ItsAlive75

03-11-2005, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by Vodstok
"Remade" as it were.

You clever duck.:D

Sedated_replica

03-11-2005, 01:46 PM

Where is my fucking gun!

Leslie Daher

03-11-2005, 03:09 PM

i will say one thing-how terribly annoying is it that one just can't voice their opinion without some jackass coming along to tell you, "uh-there's this other thread and um..." yeah. i don't care. if it's such a big deal don't post here-don't even come here. we talk about the same shit over and over and over all time in here which is why i haven't posted anything in forever. give me a break already.

Leslie Daher

03-11-2005, 03:13 PM

yes, on this site i've noticed there's a trend with ppl...there's always the smart ass who's got to point out, "this thread was already done 5 months ago..." there's the wannabe poindexter who has to correct everyone's grammar and spelling, and then there's the 'trouble maker' who will find fault with whatever it is you do, it doesn't matter-they've just got to say something jerky and stupid....so annoying!

Hate_Breeder

03-11-2005, 05:10 PM

Was Be Cool any good?

Sedated_replica

03-11-2005, 08:01 PM

The Mothman

03-11-2005, 08:26 PM

which horror remake inspired all these other ones?? there was no remake good enough to inspire these.

AUSTIN316426808

03-11-2005, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by Hate_Breeder
Was Be Cool any good?

I thought it was funny, and Andre from outkast can actually act.

Hate_Breeder

03-11-2005, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
I thought it was funny, and Andre from outkast can actually act.

Swheet. Ive kinda been looking forward to it...John Travolta is my hero

urgeok

03-12-2005, 03:43 AM

Originally posted by Leslie Daher
yes, on this site i've noticed there's a trend with ppl...there's always the smart ass who's got to point out, "this thread was already done 5 months ago..." there's the wannabe poindexter who has to correct everyone's grammar and spelling, and then there's the 'trouble maker' who will find fault with whatever it is you do, it doesn't matter-they've just got to say something jerky and stupid....so annoying!

ok here's a more constructive approach.

the forum is a cluttered mess.
its hard to get through enough as it is without 2 exact same threads being posted within hours of each other.
Then the threads get merged as they should - and some people will start ranting about how the mods have fucked up the world.

i dont think it takes too much common sense to take a little 5 minute peek around the forum to get a sense of whats going on before creating a thread.

it would be extremely helpful - especially now - since the forum has lately been turned into a circus for the developmentally delayed.

zwoti

03-12-2005, 03:47 AM

AUSTIN316426808

03-12-2005, 03:52 AM

Originally posted by Hate_Breeder
John Travolta is my hero

you poor kid:)

Wickerman

03-12-2005, 06:17 PM

Remakes are PG-13 corporate Scream movies made so teenyboppers can get together friday nights after school is out and talk in the theaters. No one ever actually watches them...and when you do ugh! you end up with Jessica Biels Texas Chainsaw Massacre.:mad:

Sedated_replica

03-12-2005, 06:53 PM

Someone gives this man a hand!

AUSTIN316426808

03-12-2005, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by Wickerman
Remakes are PG-13 corporate Scream movies made so teenyboppers can get together friday nights after school is out and talk in the theaters. No one ever actually watches them...and when you do ugh! you end up with Jessica Biels Texas Chainsaw Massacre.:mad:

I think Scream would've been good if the MPAA wouldn't have made Craven edit the hell out of it. He had to take out and reshoot over 17 scenes.

Vodstok

03-14-2005, 05:00 AM

Originally posted by urgeok
ok here's a more constructive approach.

the forum is a cluttered mess.
its hard to get through enough as it is without 2 exact same threads being posted within hours of each other.
Then the threads get merged as they should - and some people will start ranting about how the mods have fucked up the world.

i dont think it takes too much common sense to take a little 5 minute peek around the forum to get a sense of whats going on before creating a thread.

it would be extremely helpful - especially now - since the forum has lately been turned into a circus for the developmentally delayed. Thank you urge :)

And zwoti.

Laziness on your part does not make me an asshole for pointing it out. I actually got a kick out of the irony that you basically did what you were complaining about by not looking to see if a similar thread had already been started. '

BTW i am an asshole for many other reasons.

And that is basically what it comes down to, laziness. no one wants to stick their neck out and make something new fopr a change, it is easier to merge old conventions and ideas with what is currently thought of as cool. New ideas are hard to make, creativity is a much rarer gift than people think.

I hate what movies have become fo rthe most part too. One of the great pleaasures in life is going to a theater to see the opening of a movie you have been dying for fo rmonths. That almsot never happens anymore.

I would like to see more people getting off their asses and trying to create what they want to see rather than bitch about what they are handed on a regular basis.

I'm a writer, and i kill myself to create original works. I made one story that was derivative, but i advertise it as such, and im not exactly out trying to make it into a movie (plus, it has gotten rave reviews by everyone who has read it so far. "Father Dillon's Funeral" for the curious)

Austin is also a writer (a screenwriter), and from the hint he gave about the screenplay he wrote, it sounds original. i hope it sells, because i would see it.

I hope this pisses you off. i hope it gets your blood boiling, and you get off your ass and write something. it doesnt even have to be good, just original. TRY to make a difference, rather than sitting around impotently screaming at the screen because you hate what you are being fed, but refuse to turn it off or walk away.

urgeok

03-14-2005, 05:13 AM

i keep harkoning back to one point ...

consider the majority in the movie going demographic ...
they are young people who for the most part have not seen the origionals.

most of the people an this board are interested in horror enough to have seen everything - old and new - but if you take a look around you - you'll see that we are the minority.

Hollywood is a business where fortunes are made and lost faster than on the stock market.
Fim makers cannot as a rule afford to take risks so they follow profitable trends ... follow established formulas.

For every jaded film fan there are 1000 sheep who will flock to see anything new thats well marketed.

I dont blame Hollywood ... why would a company throw money aeway making films for a tiny minority ???

I'm not saying this is ideal, its very sad .. but realize where the blame should be laid, and appreciate even more the great films that were made despite the risks, or the good films that are clever and well made eneough to please both the drones and the 'elitists'

AUSTIN316426808

03-14-2005, 05:16 AM

Originally posted by Vodstok
Thank you urge :)

And zwoti.

Laziness on your part does not make me an asshole for pointing it out. I actually got a kick out of the irony that you basically did what you were complaining about by not looking to see if a similar thread had already been started. '

BTW i am an asshole for many other reasons.

And that is basically what it comes down to, laziness. no one wants to stick their neck out and make something new fopr a change, it is easier to merge old conventions and ideas with what is currently thought of as cool. New ideas are hard to make, creativity is a much rarer gift than people think.

I hate what movies have become fo rthe most part too. One of the great pleaasures in life is going to a theater to see the opening of a movie you have been dying for fo rmonths. That almsot never happens anymore.

I would like to see more people getting off their asses and trying to create what they want to see rather than bitch about what they are handed on a regular basis.

I'm a writer, and i kill myself to create original works. I made one story that was derivative, but i advertise it as such, and im not exactly out trying to make it into a movie (plus, it has gotten rave reviews by everyone who has read it so far. "Father Dillon's Funeral" for the curious)

Austin is also a writer (a screenwriter), and from the hint he gave about the screenplay he wrote, it sounds original. i hope it sells, because i would see it.

I hope this pisses you off. i hope it gets your blood boiling, and you get off your ass and write something. it doesnt even have to be good, just original. TRY to make a difference, rather than sitting around impotently screaming at the screen because you hate what you are being fed, but refuse to turn it off or walk away.

what he said

and thanks for the compliment:D

Vodstok

03-14-2005, 05:19 AM

I had said something similar at one point, i cant remember where though. Without the money and demand, hollywood would not be making these movies.

I am doing my tiny part, i will not go to the theater and see a movie anymore unless it looks above all possible disappointment, which is why the last movie i saw in atheater was the Grudge.

I'll keep my money and see the movie through Netflix, where i pay less than a dollar for the damn thing.

Meanwhile, i bust my ass trying to create stories that are actually scary. I have a pretty good track record so far.

AUSTIN316426808

03-14-2005, 05:27 AM

Originally posted by Vodstok

Meanwhile, i bust my ass trying to create stories that are actually scary. I have a pretty good track record so far.

are people actually scared by movies anymore?

I haven't been scared by a movie since I was 7, and most of my friends aren't scared by anything either(movies that is). I try but I don't think people are frightened by films anymore.

Vodstok

03-14-2005, 05:32 AM

I think setting has a lot to do with it. i dont think dog soldiers is particularly frightnening, but the first time i saw it, my wife and i were watching it in bed at night, with the window wide open, with all of the lights off, when the werewolf crawled in through the window, i looked at ours and said "fuck this, im kinda cold..." and closed it.

Alfred Hitchcock insisted that theater owners play along with his little pranks that he wanted to spring on the audience to create more impact. I think the horror genre would be well served if they still did things liek that.

I bet if theaters were willing to play ball, they would increase their profits exponentially. Think about it, if the same horror movie was paying at 2 places, and one of them you Knew was going to pull some weird shit during the movie, whihc would you go to?

i think many casual horror fans would become hardcore with that kind of experience.

Leslie Daher

03-18-2005, 09:12 AM

*YAWN*

filmmaker2

03-18-2005, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by Vodstok
I think setting has a lot to do with it. i dont think dog soldiers is particularly frightnening, but the first time i saw it, my wife and i were watching it in bed at night, with the window wide open, with all of the lights off, when the werewolf crawled in through the window, i looked at ours and said "fuck this, im kinda cold..." and closed it.

Alfred Hitchcock insisted that theater owners play along with his little pranks that he wanted to spring on the audience to create more impact. I think the horror genre would be well served if they still did things liek that.

I bet if theaters were willing to play ball, they would increase their profits exponentially. Think about it, if the same horror movie was paying at 2 places, and one of them you Knew was going to pull some weird shit during the movie, whihc would you go to?

i think many casual horror fans would become hardcore with that kind of experience.

I am much in agreement with that thinking. Go William Castle on they ass!

urgeok

03-18-2005, 09:50 AM

the problem now is the idiots that go to the shows would be wrecking stuff .. especially if the did get scared.

something dragged on a wire brushing past their legs .. (during a rat scene for example) would get grabbed and yanked out of its workings ..

i can see this kind of thing happening in an specialty IMAX type setting, but not a regular theatre ..

AUSTIN316426808

03-18-2005, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by urgeok
IMAX

this is off topic but...

I went to the IMAX theatre a couple days ago and saw a 3-D dinosuar movie.

of course we're in two different countries and I don't know if it's shown up there but you're kid would love it.

urgeok

03-18-2005, 09:56 AM

he probably would for sure ..

there wasnt a dino movie playing at ours, it was either natural disasters/underwater volcanoes/or coral reefs ... we saw the reef one ...

i think he'd want to see the dino one but he'd be scared shitless because of the magnatude of the sound and screen ...
He feels safer at home ... i guess it would depend on how scary it was ...

AUSTIN316426808

03-18-2005, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by urgeok
he probably would for sure ..

there wasnt a dino movie playing at ours, it was either natural disasters/underwater volcanoes/or coral reefs ... we saw the reef one ...

i think he'd want to see the dino one but he'd be scared shitless because of the magnatude of the sound and screen ...
He feels safer at home ... i guess it would depend on how scary it was ...

in that case you better pass if it does come up. just my opinion of course but it might be a bit much for a 4 year old.

urgeok

03-18-2005, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
in that case you better pass if it does come up. just my opinion of course but it might be a bit much for a 4 year old.

thats what i'm thinking ... wont be long though ..
he'd watch the video version at home no problem.

There's an excellent series from the BBC called 'Walking With Dinosaurs' he loves .. it gets gruesome too .. but its 'smaller' :)

Vodstok

03-18-2005, 10:31 AM

Walking with dinosaurs was the jurrasic park of documentaries. that thing was incredible. I got that for my neice a couple of years ago for christmas, then i got her the walking with prehistoric beasts one as well.

Jade

03-18-2005, 10:42 AM

I guess they run out of ideas so they use other people's ideas.

urgeok

03-18-2005, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by Vodstok
Walking with dinosaurs was the jurrasic park of documentaries. that thing was incredible. I got that for my neice a couple of years ago for christmas, then i got her the walking with prehistoric beasts one as well.

i want that prehistoric beast one too !! the dinosaur one was terrific ..

taylorsmommy

03-18-2005, 11:00 AM

Animal Planet has a special on this Sunday at 8:00 pm that has to do with dragons-is your kid interested in Dragons?

urgeok

03-18-2005, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by taylorsmommy
Animal Planet has a special on this Sunday at 8:00 pm that has to do with dragons-is your kid interested in Dragons?

yep, anything remotely resembling a dinosaur (after all it was dinosaur bones that the chinese based their dragon legends on ..

but .. we dont get animal planet at our house :(

taylorsmommy

03-18-2005, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by urgeok
yep, anything remotely resembling a dinosaur (after all it was dinosaur bones that the chinese based their dragon legends on ..

but .. we dont get animal planet at our house :(

When you're home with your child go to www.dragonsarecoming.com. He'll at least get a little taste of it.