ICP and Twiztid!

[Juggalette_Jen]

I love ICP and Twiztid and everyone who knows me knows that I love them...I just want to know who else on this sight has clown love too.....(I love Jamie Madrox!!!):)

[BavaPanicFan]

I work in the music biz, and a buddy of mine did promo work for ICP when they came to Denver last year. Said the dudes are straight azzholes. He had to stock their dressing room and apparently they asked for rediculous things and then when he wouldn't get them a QP of boomers, they got all pissed and threatened to have him fired. I don't know their names, but one of em tried to fight em when he told 'em to fuck off. And the ICP dude almost got his ass beat by a posse of DU Frat kidswhen he was drinkin at some bar afterwards. Gotta love them Greeks...

[Juggalette_Jen]

i actually like twiztid more than i like icp, but im still down with the clown...i dont care what mean ppl say about them...i just want to know if theres anymore ppl on this site who like them as much as i do...they are musical geniuses to me

[avenger00soul]

Um....well....I liked it when Mike Awesome Awesome-Bombed one of them off the top of a bus on Nitro. That was, well, awesome. Can't say I dig their music though.

[Juggalette_Jen]

THANK YOU! at least SOMEONE kind of likes them too...lol

[avenger00soul]

Their movie was okay too just b/c it had Mick Foley and Dolomite in it.:D

[Juggalette_Jen]

no...Big Money Hustlas was hilarious! (Jamie Madrox was in it. I LOVE THAT GUY!!!!)

[BavaPanicFan]

nah, they suck. Anyone who gets pissed when you won't go try and find them mushrooms (especially when they're outta season anyways)is weak sauce. Besides, I don't see how rapping about screwing dead bodies qualifies as "genius". Sick, maybe, but genius? no. Also, gotta say the majority of their fans give off a "Klebold" type vibe which scares the shit outta me, cuz my lil bro went to Columbine. I don't see why you wouldn't wanna listen to somethin a little less f-ed up like Panic or the Grateful Dead. Now the Dead, THATS some genius right there...Also, that guy from ICP needs to stop rappin about what a badass he is when he turns and hauls ass as fast as his legs'll carry him when a buncha frat kids threaten to beat his ass. Geez, what a puss.

[Juggalette_Jen]

you know what...i dont give a fuck what u think about them...whatever u say doesnt change my mind about them...im still a juggalette

[BavaPanicFan]

explain what makes them "genius"

[moonsorrow]

*sigh*

[downside]

I've made a post about all of Psychopathic Records in here before, and I got the same type of response. There's no convincing some people of what you like, and truthfully, you shouldn't try to convince people to like them. You either do or you don't. People's opinions should be preserved, whether founded or not.

And I certinaly wouldn't take the time to convince a Grateful Dead fan of Psychopathic's genius. Most likely, this fan is old and bias and not really ready for Psychopathic. Truth be told, I'm not sure why he jumped in in the first place. Not only are we talking a different genre of music, but we're dealing with an age difference of about 30 years.

All this aside, ICP/Twiztid/Blaze stand as my current pick for the best music I can get my hands on. It's creative, enjoyable and it even sends a message every now and then. Music is about entertainment first and foremost, and as a fan of horror in general, I find them highly entertaining.

Juggalo now and forever.

[downside]

Originally posted by BavaPanicFan
I work in the music biz, and a buddy of mine did promo work for ICP when they came to Denver last year. Said the dudes are straight azzholes. He had to stock their dressing room and apparently they asked for rediculous things and then when he wouldn't get them a QP of boomers, they got all pissed and threatened to have him fired. I don't know their names, but one of em tried to fight em when he told 'em to fuck off. And the ICP dude almost got his ass beat by a posse of DU Frat kidswhen he was drinkin at some bar afterwards. Gotta love them Greeks...

In addition to my previous post...what the fuck are you talking about? Whether or not you like the music was probably what this post was about. Assuming your "buddy" exists, and assuming they did act like jerks to him, you could possibly dismiss his story as asinine/exhaggerated/possibly flawed. Or better yet, make up your own mind about them rather than having to be told what to think. Thinking is free, and relatively easy with practice.

[Killer Clown#1]

They both suck big balls:mad: 2 of my friends like them and they wan't me to like them, Fuck that I think I'll stick with Korn and The Dickies(yeah I know i'm weird:p )

[BavaPanicFan]

actually, I'm not "biased"(the word is "biased" not bias,), I listen to all kinds of really good underground hip hop, its just that I would prefer listening to music thats, oh, I don't know, socially conscious, as opposed to some jackasses in bad makeup trying to make a living off of miserable, impressionable, preteen goths who aren't even old enough to buy beer. And"old" yeah, I guess I'm "old" if 21 is old. And I highly doubt that my friend was lying, I know all the stage managers at the Ogden (the place where they had the show) and they all back him up. If you wanna listen to music that emulates horror mvies, I suggest you check out some of the early stuff by Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds, like their album "Murder Ballads". Its actually scary, unlike ICP, who're just fuckin gross.
BTW I'm still waitin for somone to explain to me how ICP is "genius" ...any takers?

[Arioch]

I think we can all say that weve taken some shit for like specific music groups in our lifetimes. I got it bad in high school and middle school for being a goth and im sure icp fans get the same shit. Thus making theyr fans identify with theyre music even more. Im not saying i like theyr music. In fact, i cant stand it and the fact that they rap about they're balls and fucking almost 100% of every song makes me feel like a moron when i happen to catch one of theyr songs.
But everyone has that artist they just identified with growing up, or maybe still identify with, they dont nessesarily need to be talented or original musicians. Just dont jump on these guys too much, ya i think theyr morons too, but im sure theres a couple of bands we could rag on you guys for too.

[nightbreed]

juggalos are mindless consumers who represent nothing but stupidity, blatant ignorance, and mindless banality. you think your indie? yeah right. watch "the merchants of cool", its a documentary about giant corperations and youth culture. about being programmed. and i assure you that your "psychopathic family" has a nice little chunk of the 2 hours devoted to them. listen to some real music. psychopathic is a fucking franchise. if violent j took a nice warm shit in a hat and slapped a hatchet man on it i garantee one of you morons would buy it. sure maybe those fools were underground back in the day of riddlebox, but after milenko dropped those fools became a household name, their raps went soft, and they started pushing more merch than martha stewart. ahem- sold out.

check this out. whoever disagrees i dare any of you to stop listening to psychopathic for like 2 months. stop wearing the gear and all that for like a month and a half. i promise when you start listening to it again youll be like "what the fuck?". youll realize how much of a brainwash it all is.

[moonsorrow]

this is just so stupid, it need no further comment apart from my earlier sigh... but still... why are they making money at all? and prospering?

[downside]

Originally posted by nightbreed
juggalos are mindless consumers who represent nothing but stupidity, blatant ignorance, and mindless banality. you think your indie? yeah right. watch "the merchants of cool", its a documentary about giant corperations and youth culture. about being programmed. and i assure you that your "psychopathic family" has a nice little chunk of the 2 hours devoted to them. listen to some real music. psychopathic is a fucking franchise. if violent j took a nice warm shit in a hat and slapped a hatchet man on it i garantee one of you morons would buy it. sure maybe those fools were underground back in the day of riddlebox, but after milenko dropped those fools became a household name, their raps went soft, and they started pushing more merch than martha stewart. ahem- sold out.

check this out. whoever disagrees i dare any of you to stop listening to psychopathic for like 2 months. stop wearing the gear and all that for like a month and a half. i promise when you start listening to it again youll be like "what the fuck?". youll realize how much of a brainwash it all is.

I disagree with you completely. For someone so educated on the subject of selling out, you might want to do a little more research on what the artists themselves think. ICP in particular have laughed at P.R.'s exploitation of their image, on shot glasses, comics, dolls, stickers, shirts and the like. But have you never sat and thought of the role of said record company? It's to market the artist in anyway possible to get more people to buy. Yes, it happens. And yes, it sucks. But to pinpoint one group out of the millions of others that go through the same thing as a sole reason to not support them, that's just asinine. That's like not supporting any musician that believes in microphone usage.

If ICP hadn't signed on with P.R., they'd not be where the are today (which despite your obvious distaste for them, is fairly successul). Sure, merchandising and "selling out" is the lower side effect of signing to a label. But the benefit of being rich and fmous sometimes outweighs that cost.

Speaking purely in the form of music (all merchandise aside), ICP, Twiztid and other artists on P.R. are extremely entertaining which, despite all attempts to argue against, is just mine (and millions of others) opinion. You can't argue with the FACT that music is entertainment. So despite your half-ass'd argument on the duo selling out, I still find them entertaining at the base.

As a side note: you picked a strange band to label "sell out". After all, these multi-gold/plat artists are one of the few I can think of with little to no airplay, beit video or radio. In the music world, selling millions and making it onto the charts without video/radio is extremely rare.

[downside]

Originally posted by BavaPanicFan
actually, I'm not "biased"(the word is "biased" not bias,), I listen to all kinds of really good underground hip hop, its just that I would prefer listening to music thats, oh, I don't know, socially conscious, as opposed to some jackasses in bad makeup trying to make a living off of miserable, impressionable, preteen goths who aren't even old enough to buy beer. And"old" yeah, I guess I'm "old" if 21 is old. And I highly doubt that my friend was lying, I know all the stage managers at the Ogden (the place where they had the show) and they all back him up. If you wanna listen to music that emulates horror mvies, I suggest you check out some of the early stuff by Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds, like their album "Murder Ballads". Its actually scary, unlike ICP, who're just fuckin gross.
BTW I'm still waitin for somone to explain to me how ICP is "genius" ...any takers?

For a 21 year-old, you sound more like a 12 year old. The whole "i know all the stage managers and they all back him up." thing... well I can do a tripple flip and land on my feet, while on fire. It's your word against mine, so let's just try to stick with some facts.

The fact is, you are still arguing against a very successfull band because you're friend told you too...and yet you're calling other people "impressionable". The "preteen goths" you speak of actually listen to the music and make up their own minds, whereas you...without actually hearing any of it...have already labeled it horrible. You assume only kids listen to it, despite ICP's 11 year history. And above all else, you called a music type "gross". I suppose if you have a weak stomach, you shouldn't listen to ICP.

And although no one has answered your question on "genius" yet, I think it's because the collective fans are rolling their eyes at you. After all, you're someone that doesn't listen to the music, but rather just here complaints from (possibly imaginary) friends. ICP, despite any argument you have, has gather a following very large and nationwide, despite having little to now video/airplay. They've reached tops of charts and sold gold/plat albums. It's this type of success (yes, success) that should make you realize, maybe you're missing something. And even if you listen and you still don't like them, you can't argue that music is about entertainment. Millions of people are entertained buy ICP, which is ICPs one and only requirement. They are doing exactly what they should, hence the success.

[downside]

Originally posted by moonsorrow
this is just so stupid, it need no further comment apart from my earlier sigh... but still... why are they making money at all? and prospering?

Simply put, it's entertaining to some (quite a few) people. Since music is about entertainment, they make money from it. Another good example, I like watching Aqua Teen Hunger Force. It's not understood by all, but for those that do understand it, it's very entertaining.

Truth be told, these types of posts are difficult. It's an opinion post, which is respectable. But you get people not entertained by them arguing with people who are entertained. Hence the problem with opinion posts; everyone has an opinion.

[BavaPanicFan]

Reasns You Are Wrong

#1) I am not arguing against this band "because a friend told me to". I am simply citing his story as one example of why I would not support, and in fact, would discourage people from listening to that music. Any band where the members use and abuse venue and promoter employees to the point where said employees are ready to quit is not a band worthy of fame.

#2) quote:"without actually hearing any of it...Have labeled it horrible" As you said, lets stick with the facts. I have listened to ICP and can tell you, that from the songs I have heard (such as "Bugz On My Nutz, "My Kind Of Bitch", "I Stuck Her With My Wang", real classy stuff BTW) and can say with all assuredness, it is "horrible music"

#3) quote:"You assume only kids listen to it, desite ICP's 11 year history" Yes, I do assume only kids listen to it because I have yet to see anyone over the age of 18 sporting any kind of ICP wear, or saying anything like, "Yo, that new ICP shit is dope, yo!" The fact that the band has an eleven year history says nothing about the age of the fans, only the age of the band members. That's like saying,"oh, well, Sesame Street's been on the air for twenty years, so obviously all of the people that watched it when they were young have continued watching it well into their late twenties."It's ludicrous to propose that the same people who listened to IC when they started still listen to them today. Lets face it, some bands aim their music at a target demographic. Some pick 20-30, some pick 45 -60. ICP however, has chosen to target an extremely young demographic. Peoples tastes in music CHANGE as they get older, whether or not you would like to believe it. The Grateful Dead toured for 30 years, and their main demographic remained the 20yrs to 30 yrs the entire time. SO, unless their fans don't age...people move on from different musical phases at different ages.

#4) How is the fact that I called a music style gross "above all else" in your list of "arguments"?

#5) quote:"They've reached tops of charts and sold gold/plat albums" I've searched through tons and tons of Pollstar reoprts (which is the magazine that documents the charts and who goes platinum and gold)and could not find one report of ICP reaching the top of any chart (indy or otherwise) and absolutely no reports of any of their albums hitting the Gold or Platinum status. Please find me where it says these guys hit the top of the charts and went Platinum, cuz I'd be very interested to know whose taking down those numbers..

#6) quote:"It's this type of success (yes, success) that should make you realize, maybe you're missing something." If success is how you measure the artistic integrity and musical worth of a band, then I'm not sure why I'm even debating music with you at all. If you measure a band's musical worth by the volume of success it recieves, then we can all say that the members of 'Nsync are just as genius as the members of ICP, now can't we?

Conclusion: Know your shit before you try and talk music w/ me. Now, go back to your Magic cards and Dungeons and Dragons, son.

BTW:I would have to say that anyone who can't step up an take a shot at explaining the "genius" of ICP to me is not really doing a good job of representing for their favorite band, are they?

[Ritualistic]

well this is my opinion on the insane clown idiots are whoever they are... I see them every now and then well I should say in the past in interviews and they were total idiots... couldnt answer a question without saying something dumb. and i think the time I saw them on the howard stern show is when they really looked like morons... sharon bashed the hell out of them wantabes....

[BavaPanicFan]

right on Ritualistic. ICP's for kids who don't know what real rap is, couldn't make their high school football team, play magic, and stay home watching wrestling on Friday nights eatin turkey pot pies. ICP IS ALSO FOR 18 YEAR OLD VIRGINS!!!!!!

[meetthecreeper]

Originally posted by Ritualistic
well this is my opinion on the insane clown idiots are whoever they are... I see them every now and then well I should say in the past in interviews and they were total idiots... couldnt answer a question without saying something dumb. and i think the time I saw them on the howard stern show is when they really looked like morons... sharon bashed the hell out of them wantabes....

Im with ritualistic on this one, I saw ICP in an interview after a video and they couldnt put a sentence together. I think that their fans have been taken by the record company. ala Britney Spears-no talent makes money anyway because someone wants to be like her

[meetthecreeper]

Oh I forgot, 2 cats fucking in a meatgrinder is better listening than that crap.

[Arioch]

Oh I forgot, 2 cats fucking in a meatgrinder is better listening than that crap.

Quote of the day.

[nightbreed]

downside-

I'm glad you feel validated for making yourself sound intelligent in an online forum. Big man. I can tell you know that I knew what you were going to write back, hell i used to pull the same shit. The "Well they're platinum without making radio/video play" I used to rock that line in chatrooms too. "Signed" to Psychopathic" Motherfucker, they are Psychopathic. If you knew dick about that label you'd know that Ustler and Bruce are two of the six "Psychopathic Dons." Fuck it's so obvious that youre new to this. I'd continue to school you on the subject of the inner city posse, psychopathic, etc . if I thought it would do any good. But I don't. And gee you sure did get awful heated for someone who supposedly respects others opinions.
Plain out, you sir are a fucking douche bag. Trying to talk about underground rap like you knew what the fuck was up. It's kinda obvious that we dont take too kindly to your faggot rap so why dont you just shut the fuck up, and try not to get all butthurt about the fact that while your sentence structure and vocabulary is above that of a 14 yr old, your muscial taste however isn't. Im done talking to you. Consider yourself ignored. If you have any futher comments, by all means feel free to send a personal message:)

[downside]

Although it's clear, some of you have gotten your feathers ruffled, I still use the same argument that you would, say if you were defending Grateful Dead (ahem) or N' Sync. It's entertainment. You don't have to understand it to know that it entertains people. If you're not entertained by it, that's fine. Just don't expect you to convince others that they shouldn't be.

And although you may have chosen to attack me personally, NightBreed, I find your attacks much like your facts...unfounded. So continue to "school" me on the subject of Pyschopathic, if you want. Proving you know their history isn't so much impressive to me, as it is to you. If you like the sound of your own voice, by all means, keep talking. But yes I know the history of the label, and that includes who belongs where in it. The point of that post was not to spout of useless facts about the label, but rather to explain what a label is for. Unlike you, I'm not trying to prove myself. Remember, I'm the fan here. I've already proven myself. But you trying disprove the talent of a very sucessful band will get you no where.

So keep talkin if you'd like. I probably got millions of others things that you wouldn't approve of, but I didn't care at the beginning of this and I don't care now. Hold yourself up high and consider yourself the victor of this post. But if you just read the beginning thread, you'll see...you "won" an argument that never took place. Congrats!

Take kindly to what you whatever, bitch. I don't need it. If you've been sugar coating what you really want to say, grow some nuts and just say it.

And as for you Bava, you still don't like a musical group because of how they treat the venue??? That's very kind of you, though I'm not sure what that has to do with the actual music. Don't get me wrong, my great uncle liked the Grateful Dead and they seem to have a good following. But since most of your argument are stemming around them, I'd say you were partial. This, mixed with your disgust for the music (a.k.a. 'gross') makes me think you're recommendations for music might not be as "hardcore" as I would like it to be. So although your threats may sound scary to you, you're really starting to come off as a 40 year old. Sorry, I just cannot be threatened by 40 year olds, especially those recommending N'Sync.

All of you can ignore me if you want, and try to lead me to other "better" music. Still, I take pride in knowing that I'm defending my choice in music, which solely rests on my shoulders. While you may all not be convinced that ICP/Twiztid are worth listening to, I find your arguements as weightless as you may find my appreciation of the music. I suppose we could agree to disagree in this thread, and that's probably what will happen. What won't happen is a split second where I let any of you push me around. Talk your shit and pump yourself up if you must, but onyl do so under the understanding that you will get pushed back.

[mictlan]

Originally posted by meetthecreeper
Oh I forgot, 2 cats fucking in a meatgrinder is better listening than that crap.

Oh dear lord. To me both the ICP and the Grateful Dead sound like two cats fucking in a meatgrinder.

But truth be told I like stuff that sounds like two cats fucking in a meatgrinder. One of my favorite recordings, by the noise band Hantarashi, sounds like two guys beating the shit out of each other with belt sanders. Most of you would hate it and that's fine with me. The opinion of someone else doesn't diminish my enjoyment.

Some things to think about.

-Musical taste is subjective. Not liking something doesn't mean it's bad, it just means that you don't like it. If you are going to say that someone's music is bad don't make personal attacks on the artist. It's music, not a personality cult.

-Don't confuse music with a lifestyle. It's called cross-marketing to create meta-brand loyalty... if they can sell a lifestyle to you as well as a CD then you are giving them more money. Deadhead or Juggalo, same difference, your solidarity is just lining some dink's pocket, just like going to K-Mart. The music you listen to shouldn't define what types of clothes you wear, the way you talk, what soda pop you drink, or whatever.

[Ritualistic]

Originally posted by meetthecreeper
Oh I forgot, 2 cats fucking in a meatgrinder is better listening than that crap.

I second that....

[Satanic~Heaven]

i dont like them..,i hate rap music,but i gotta say they are less gay then rap we see on tv like eminem or 50cent...;)

[Horror 101]

Rap + Dumb clowns who think they're funny, but they arent' = 10 year record contract!


Stupid media.

[friday13thfan]

i li them

[Sistinas]

ICP sucks ass.

[CursedRatMonkey]

I think they both suck Hairy goar anus.
Now lets put in some Pungent Stench.
did you hear me Denver?
Or shall I turn it up for you?

[kiltcha]

twiztids pretty damn good and i like older icp, not much of the new tho.



id rather listen to SYCKSYDE


or the danzig era misfits

[CursedRatMonkey]

I consider ICP retards who have a record deal

[Hate_Breeder]

i like one song by Twiztid and that is Darkness........i think..

[CursedRatMonkey]

Thinking is good, which I cant do most of the time.

[Sistinas]

Thinking is good, ICP is bad.

[CursedRatMonkey]

true

[Sistinas]

Originally posted by CursedRatMonkey
true

LOL!!!!!!