The ALien movies

[Vodstok]

I cant believe there isnt more discussion about these around here.... Alien is basically what got me started with horror.

Now, I know Ressurection was shit ( some people may nbot agree, but i was really disappointed with it...)

But even 3 is a good movie, even a good Alien Movie.

But Alien was the best, as far as horror goes. Everythign about it is classic: Claustrophobia. People dying 1 by 1... It was a classic "Haunted House" movie.

Aliens is the first true and really good "Sci-fi/horror/action" movie. It is also about the only good one in existance. Just like Alien, it has characters that have themselves become classics.

Alien 3. I can understand why this one wasnt popular. Hicks was a great character, as was Newt. It sucks trhta they killed them off-screen andf rather pointlessly. Laziness on the writer's part, i guess. I canunderstand not having newt back. by the time Alien 3 came out, Carrie Henn was well into her teens. But even Hicks? CMON!!

Despite that, it is a good movie. Charles Dance and Charles S Dutton are great. It brought back the indiviudual horror of the original. Although it had action, it wasnt an action movie, and it relied heavily on Atmosphere.


And i cant help but love David Fincher. Anyone who puts Gwenyth Paltrow's head in a box (before she was even well known) is okay in my book.

Then there is ressurection........ So, they guy who wrote "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" writes an Alien movie. It is directed by the guy who did "City of Lost Children", stars Ripley, even though she is dead, and a famous Kleptomaniac, and the very talented likes of Ron Perlman and Michael Wincot. Not to mention Dan hedaya and Brad Douriff. Yet despite the laundry list of talented people involved, it sucked. And it was written by Joss "Buffy" Whedon, who tried to badmouth the movie, even though it is largely his fault it sucked.... I wonder if he blames the demise of Firefly on someone else as well?

[The_Return]

Ive seen the 1st two, they are amazing

I really need to see the rest....

[Vodstok]

See 3 to enjoy it, see 4 out of curiosity, and dont say i didnt warn you if you hate it.

For a sci-fi action movie, its not bad, but as an Alien movie, it is shit.

[urgeok]

i'll put my nuts on a plate and say .. that i found a lot to like about it ...
I like the director .. i like the leads ..
i liked the idea of the aliens turning on each other to burn their way out of the cell ..

i think #3 was my least favorite - but i still liked it too ...

[Tat2]

My favorite was Alien. I like the others, even Ressurection, although not as much as the others (I haven't seen AVP yet).

The original had everything going for it. An excellent story line, great atmosphere and lighting, edge of your seat suspense, unbelievable special effects for the time, H.R. Geiger art and design, casted perfectly, and Segorney Weaver in her underwear! What more could a guy want in a horror movie? Well, besides weaver bare-assed naked...of course. :D

[Elvis_Christ]

I've enjoyed all of the so far but I haven't seen Alien Vs Predator yet but from what I've heard it's shit but I'll check it out and make up my own mind I guess.

[phantomstranger]

The first two are brilliant, the third one I personally did not like and the fourth, well the least said the better and I am probably the only one here who liked "Alien Vs Predator"

[majorbludd]

alien vs predator pretty much sucked...the story, the cast, however the action rips, little to no cgi, all robots and costumes...

[EXTR3MIST]

Are you saying little to no CGI was a problem here, or a virtue?

[urgeok]

a virtue i believe... hopefully

[EXTR3MIST]

Once CGI was first relied on in Alien3 the creatures started to lose their menace.

A shame, because the rest of the movie is very effective in places - I'm a huge fan of David Fincher.

[urgeok]

cgi has its place ... i dont mind when its been used to give us something that would be impossible otherwide ..that is essential to the movie
but obviously too many films are using it in place of imagination and creativity - forgetting the 'less is more' rule ..

[EXTR3MIST]

It's fine in space and even dinosaur epics, but now lazy producers are insisting on using cheap D-grade imagery for all sorts of things which could easily be made more effective with a bit of latex.

Now they've started throwing in CGI-blood splashes of all things (Blade etc), it actually offends my eye - I can spot it a mile off.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by EXTR3MIST
It's fine in space and even dinosaur epics, but now lazy producers are insisting on using cheap D-grade imagery for all sorts of things which could easily be made more effective with a bit of latex.

Now they've started throwing in CGI-blood splashes of all things (Blade etc), it actually offends my eye - I can spot it a mile off.


the WORST example i've seen which ruined an otherwise fine film .. was the Zaitochi remake ... i couldnt believe it ...
CGI blood in a samurai movie ! its beyond belief !

[EXTR3MIST]

Likes of the tabloid press keep threatening that one day, all actors will be CGI-generated and thus killing off any need for human thesps.

If that's the case, I hope they hurry up and finish the CGI-Ben Affleck (maybe they can tailor that smug, constipated look off his bastard face).

[IDrinkYourBlood]

Is Alien 3 the one where its in a big prison, if so, i hated it to peices.

[EXTR3MIST]

Sure is - DARK, innit?

[Vodstok]

YEs it was drink. i will continue to defend it as a good movie, however.


Fincher has since made good use of cgi in other movies (fight club, for example)

I think using cgi for things that can be accomplished much easier, and better, with practical effects is unforgiveable. Computers should only be used when all other alternatives are exhausted, and should only be done by people who love the subject matter.

The lord of the rings movies were made wiht love and passion. you KNOW the direbeasts, Oliphants and cave trolls (and gollum, lest we forget him) are not real, but they sold them hook line and sinker. those creatures were works of art and looked ALIVE.

One of hte things i love about dog soldiers is that all of the effects are practical, not a single digital shot in the whole film.

And cgi blood? inexcusable. Completely inexcusable bullshit. Every time i hear that i think of shiny, fake looking orbs of purple klingon blood floating around the ship in the star trek movie with Kim Catral, and Event Horizon.

[lee challenger]

I approached watching Alien vs Predator with some trepidation as I'm a big fan of both the original creations. However , I was pleasantly surprised and enjoyed it for what it is , a good old fashioned monster movie. I thought the effects were excellent and the film had a good pace to it with action virtually from start to finish. I particularly liked the flashback sequence that explained how the predators and aliens first came into conflict.

[barbra]

Originally posted by EXTR3MIST
Once CGI was first relied on in Alien3 the creatures started to lose their menace.

A shame, because the rest of the movie is very effective in places - I'm a huge fan of David Fincher.
the reason the alien mutated in 3 was because it came out of a dog

[barbra]

Originally posted by Vodstok





The lord of the rings movies were made wiht love and passion. you KNOW the direbeasts, Oliphants and cave trolls (and gollum, lest we forget him) are not real, but they sold them hook line and sinker. those creatures were works of art and looked ALIVE.




I hated the cgi in ltr, I thought it cheapend the movies

[barbra]

so, I loved them all and bought the box set. I thought the end of 4 was really funny, all the maternal crap coming at you full force, it was building up since the second aliens when ripply learned that she had over slept, so-to-speak, her childs life. which is why they introduced newt. Why they killed newt off is between the producers, director and the writters but I think that killing those characters was the best way to keep a franchise and make a new movie at the same time. Ripply's character was all about isolation from the get go. She is usually alone physically and in idea and then in the 4th in breed. But what a neat breed to be. I think I'll watch it tonight!

[MrShape]

That was a great box set, that Quadrilogy collection. I like all of the Alien movies, but the uncut version of Alien 3 was a vast improvement. Made a lot more sense after you saw everything that Fox cut out.

[Tat2]

I've always liked the Alien series and was actually able to pick up the Alien Quadrilogy (9 DVDs!) for $34.00 this last weekend. Not Bad.:D

[barbra]

LAME! I paid $80 for mine a year ago, but it was worth it. I hate Walmart. Killer Clowns from Outerspace is on sale though for a cool $5. I wonder if I'll pay that much for THAT movie. I like the cotton candy cacuns. but thats another thread.

[EXTR3MIST]

the reason the alien mutated in 3 was because it came out of a dog

Hmmm - but the aliens only need a warm body to incubate in, not a host to feed and grow from as such. So human or dog shouldn't make any difference (in the original script, this alien burst from an ox!).

Either way, still no excuse for the intrusion of CGI.

[Chainsaw Guy]

The best in the seris are Alien and Aliens
With the soldiers Aliens has a Full metal Jacket kind of feel
Alien because of the art direction and the fact that theres not a weak actor in the movie

[Red Dragon]

Wanna hear something scary?

I heard Fox wants Paul Anderson to direct/write a fifth Alien film.:(

[The Mothman]

I am obsessed with the Alien series. I loved all the movies except for the third. AVP was a dissapointment and should have never been made. they made the queen look like a pussy. FUCK that movie. The predator gets all nice with that girl and shit. WTF! that just about ruined the predator's reputaion for badassness.

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by Chainsaw Guy
The best in the seris are Alien and Aliens
With the soldiers Aliens has a Full metal Jacket kind of feel
Alien because of the art direction and the fact that theres not a weak actor in the movie No small coincidence, jim cameron wanted it to feel like a vietnam movie.

This is basically how it is described:
A confident, technologically advanced military goes blindly into battle against a dedicated but technologically inferior foe. Ass gets handed to them. Pretty much describes the movie and the war.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by The Mothman
The predator gets all nice with that girl and shit. WTF! that just about ruined the predator's reputaion for badassness.


well, the precident was sort of set with Predator II
They take their sport seriously and have respect for their prey.

Unlike humans .. who would run off the space ship drunkenly blasting at the (deer or whatever) that survived.

[The Mothman]

I haven't seen predator 2. why is it any good?

[urgeok]

Originally posted by The Mothman
I haven't seen predator 2. why is it any good?

i liked it a lot .. Danny Glover is in it as well as a few other faces you'd recognize .. there's a new special edition 2 disc DVD either out now or coming soon.

[barbra]

Originally posted by urgeok
i liked it a lot .. Danny Glover is in it as well as a few other faces you'd recognize .. there's a new special edition 2 disc DVD either out now or coming soon.
its out and at wally-world. you can also get avp with either alien cover or a preditor cover.

[Vodstok]

Predator 2 is very different from the first. A lot better in some ways, not quite so good in others. Bill paxton's character is great in an obnoxious way.


The predator's weapons are much cooler, the kills are more interesting, and it is fun to keep your eyes peeled for the alien skull.

[slasherman]

Originally posted by Vodstok
Predator 2
The predator's weapons are much cooler, the kills are more interesting.
Yeah the killing scenes in part 2 is great

[urgeok]

Originally posted by Vodstok
Predator 2 is very different from the first. A lot better in some ways, not quite so good in others. Bill paxton's character is great in an obnoxious way.


The predator's weapons are much cooler, the kills are more interesting, and it is fun to keep your eyes peeled for the alien skull.


good score too

[The Mothman]

okl I'll try and see it.

[ItsAlive75]

I actually didn't like it. The dialogue sounded like it was written in a day.

The latino female character who was pregnant, by the way... annoying.

[EXTR3MIST]

I like Predator 2 - agressive, over-the-top and pretty damned cool come the ending, you must admit.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by EXTR3MIST
I like Predator 2 - agressive, over-the-top and pretty damned cool come the ending, you must admit.

The ending is good, I'll give you that. I like the nod to Alien with the Alien's head on the wall. Kinda foreshadowing the AvP movie.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
The ending is good, I'll give you that. I like the nod to Alien with the Alien's head on the wall. Kinda foreshadowing the AvP movie.


i liked all of it ..

I thought the 'urban jungle' bit was obvious but clever.
it was supposed to be a big location contrast to the 1st movie but in reality it was the same ... the music was even jungle-like.

Glover was great .. he has the world-weary thing down to a fine art..

[EXTR3MIST]

Once you get over the lack of Schwarzenegger (a tough one, I know), there is a quality sci-fi actioner to be had here not a million miles away from likes of RoboCop in style and punch.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by urgeok
Glover was great .. he has the world-weary thing down to a fine art..

I disagree. It worked in Lethal Weapon, but he's been using it in every film now. Same goes with Saw.

Ever see "The Color Purple"? He was AWESOME in that, probably his best role. I know he has range, I just wanna see it more.

[EXTR3MIST]

He's too old for this shit...

[urgeok]

he does the big films to allow him to do the little films ...

hey, he's an old guy in action movies ..
i think the line comes pretty naturally ..


I say it trying to get out of bed in the morning ...

[slasherman]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
I actually didn't like it. The dialogue sounded like it was written in a day.

The latino female character who was pregnant, by the way... annoying.
agree on that but you have to admit the Predator/killing scenes are cool :cool:

[Vodstok]

Maria Conchita Alanzo. Also of running man fame. She always bugged me, but she brought something to both of those movies.

C'mon, though. You have to love any movie where Gary Busey gets cut in half, and someone gets called "Pussy-face"