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horror_spooky
01-16-2005, 12:05 PM
Since there is a thread titled: 5 Worse Horror Movies, lets see about the best.
Mine are:
(1) Halloween
(2) A Nightmare on Elm Street
(3) A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors
(4) Friday the 13th 6: Jason Lives
(5) The Exorcist
majorbludd
01-16-2005, 05:41 PM
1 exorcist
2 halloween
3 henry; portrait of a serial killer
4 dawn of the dead
5 street trash
TheOmen
01-16-2005, 06:23 PM
Friday the 13th 6? Good God that was barely better than 5.
1. Halloween
2. The Shining
3. Evil Dead
4. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (original)
5. A Nightmare On Elm Street
Elvis_Christ
01-16-2005, 08:14 PM
1. Evil Dead 2
2. Phantasm II
3. Basket Case
4. Texas Chainsaw Massacre
5. Dawn Of The Dead
Good to see someone mentioned Street Trash that movie cracks me up!
#1. The Exorcist (All time favorite)!
#2. Dawn of the Dead (Original)
#3. The Wolfman (A Classic)!
#4. Holloween
#5. Phantom of the Opera (Lon Chaney Sr.)
Honorable mention (Tie): From Dusk till Dawn and Event Horizon
ichi the killer
01-17-2005, 05:52 AM
Originally posted by horror_spooky
Since there is a thread titled: 5 Worse Horror Movies, lets see about the best.
Mine are:
(1) Halloween
(2) A Nightmare on Elm Street
(3) A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors
(4) Friday the 13th 6: Jason Lives
(5) The Exorcist
Wow what a choice two cheesy dated slasher pics & two Noes, Have you actually seen any other horror movies?
Nemesis412
01-17-2005, 09:56 AM
1. Halloween
2. Halloween 2
3. Frankenstein
4. Hellraiser
5. Dawn of the dead (original)
Elvis_Christ
01-17-2005, 02:40 PM
I probably should have put something in by Argento or Fulci. A top 5 is to small I need like a top twenty or something. Some other ones I like are Halloween II, Brain Damage, Suspiria, Opera, Zombie, Frankenhooker, Re-Aminator and Return Of The Living Dead (I wanna see some more punk rock horror movies anyone know of any??) ....yeh I forgot! Good to see Henry: Portrait of A Serial Killer in here to I was beginning to think I was the only person who dug that movie.
The STE
01-17-2005, 02:44 PM
1. Se7en
2. Psycho
3. Kaļro
4. Halloween
5. The Exorcist
Lady Discordia
01-17-2005, 02:46 PM
Mine are:
1. Poltergeist
2. Donnie Darko
3. The Silence of the Lambs
4. The Others
5. The Exorcist
Man, it was hard to stop at five! :D I had to leave off a lot of favorites.
Lady Discordia
IDrinkYourBlood
01-17-2005, 02:55 PM
I like to have veriaty
1)Halloween (the slasher movie)
2)Day of the dead (The zombie movie)
3)Evil Dead 2 (the demon movie)
4)I Drink Your Blood (the unknown cult movie)
5)I Spit On Your Grave (the horror exploitation movie)
These are in no certain order cuz I'v decided i cannot have a certain favorite movie, its impossible.
I can go on and on with more of a list.
Elvis_Christ
01-17-2005, 03:00 PM
^^ Good choices.
EXTR3MIST
01-17-2005, 03:03 PM
[1] Resident Evil
[2] Jason X
[3] A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge
[4] The Blair Witch Project
[5] Halloween III: Season of the Witch
IDrinkYourBlood
01-17-2005, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by Elvis_Christ
^^ Good choices. thank you, it sure beats the shit out of people nightmare on elm street 4,6 and 8 then whatever else they have thats unoriginal. I thought people on this site liked horror, not hollywood.
Nemesis412
01-17-2005, 03:09 PM
Ah I love Donnie Darko
IDrinkYourBlood
01-17-2005, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by Nemesis412
Ah I love Donnie Darko I lost all my respect for you man. hahaha jokes, im kidding, dont cry. *pats back* there there, there there. I just really hate that movie.
EXTR3MIST
01-17-2005, 03:28 PM
I love Donnie Darko
I love Donnie Wahlberg.
Nemesis412
01-17-2005, 03:42 PM
lol its cool. Idk i just liked it.
arron wardlaw
01-18-2005, 01:56 PM
loads of good films in there . surprised no-one mentioned house on haunted hill remake.
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Nemesis412
01-18-2005, 02:14 PM
Eh, I didn't like the original or the remake.
arron wardlaw
01-18-2005, 02:18 PM
fair enough but geoffrey rush turned into vincent price for the whole movie, pure ham!
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Michaels Shape
01-18-2005, 02:21 PM
Halloween
The Fog
The Thing
Escape from New York
Escape from L.A
arron wardlaw
01-18-2005, 02:26 PM
fuck me dry i forgot about the thing. revolutionary. my girls watching breast enhancements gone wrong on telly. real horror
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Static
01-18-2005, 02:36 PM
1. Return of the Living Dead
2. Friday the 13th 6: Jason Lives
3. Texas Chainsaw Massacre (original)
4. Sleepaway Camp
5. Halloween 2
AUSTIN316426808
01-18-2005, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by Michaels Shape
Halloween
The Fog
The Thing
Escape from New York
Escape from L.A
like John Carpenter do we?
Michaels Shape
01-18-2005, 02:44 PM
Nah, Haha Yeah very much.
Nemesis412
01-18-2005, 02:49 PM
Yes I agree about the Vincest price thing.
I Still have never seen the Thing I need to.
And yea Carpenter is awesome. Loved The Fog
Michaels Shape
01-18-2005, 02:51 PM
Im telling you man, nobody's horror movies can beat John's!
AUSTIN316426808
01-18-2005, 02:53 PM
the first thing i saw when i came here Oct '03 was a thread for the top5 best horror films so i guess it's fitting that my 1000th post is the same thing.
1.Halloween
2.The Shinning
3.Dawn of the Dead
4.Evil Dead
5.The Exorcist
Michaels Shape
01-18-2005, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
the first thing i saw when i came here Oct '03 was a thread for the top5 best horror films so i guess it's fitting that my 1000th post is the same thing.
1.Halloween
2.The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
3.The Shinning
4.Evil Dead
5.Silence of the Lambs
Only one of those are John Carpenter's. :mad: :eek:
AUSTIN316426808
01-18-2005, 02:59 PM
it only took one year,three months,twenty two days,seventeen hours and 58 minutes.
Michaels Shape
01-18-2005, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
it only took one year,three months,twenty two days,seventeen hours and 58 minutes.
WHAT!!! :confused:
AUSTIN316426808
01-18-2005, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by Michaels Shape
Only one of those are John Carpenter's. :mad: :eek:
i know but i still love Carpenter's films if it were a top ten list halloween 2, the thing and the fog would've been on it but i just think these are better films.
AUSTIN316426808
01-18-2005, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by Michaels Shape
WHAT!!! :confused:
that's how long it took me to get 1000 posts mostly because sometime early last year i stopped all together for some reason.
Michaels Shape
01-18-2005, 03:05 PM
O lol I knew that. Halloween II should have been on my list but Halloween is the classic.
AUSTIN316426808
01-18-2005, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by Tat2
#1. The Exorcist (All time favorite)!
#2. Dawn of the Dead (Original)
#3. The Wolfman (A Classic)!
#4. Holloween
#5. Phantom of the Opera (Lon Chaney Sr.)
Honorable mention (Tie): From Dusk till Dawn and Event Horizon
i didn't know anybody here except me liked The Phantom of the Opera.
Michaels Shape
01-18-2005, 03:07 PM
It's an OK film just not the original. Anyways I havnt seen it.
Nemesis412
01-18-2005, 03:27 PM
Hey Mike do you like all of the Halloweens? I do, alot of people stopped with 2.
Nemesis412
01-18-2005, 03:28 PM
Same goes for Austin. (lol i didnt think you were on this post even though I saw you)
AUSTIN316426808
01-18-2005, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by EXTR3MIST
[1] Resident Evil
[2] Jason X
[3] A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge
[4] The Blair Witch Project
[5] Halloween III: Season of the Witch
i respect everybody's opinion but if someone came up to you and asked you what the best horror movie of all time is you would look them dead in the eye and shamlessly say Resident Evil then if they looked at you like and idiot and said ''well i don't like that what else do you think is a really good one'' you would once again look them in the eye and say Jason X?
AUSTIN316426808
01-18-2005, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by Nemesis412
Same goes for Austin. (lol i didnt think you were on this post even though I saw you)
i like 1 through 6 i watch H20 and resurrection but they aren't that good i just like the Michael Myers charactor alot so i watch them anyway.
Michaels Shape
01-18-2005, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by EXTR3MIST
[1] Resident Evil
[2] Jason X
[3] A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge
[4] The Blair Witch Project
[5] Halloween III: Season of the Witch
Halloween III, finally sombody that likes it.
Nemesis412
01-18-2005, 03:52 PM
yea same here Austin.
Yeah He HAD to have been kidding Austin there is NO way he was serious NO WAY. Thats impossible, I mean sit back and look at his post again......Come on dont fall for it.
I love H3 tho its no the best i do love it.
3 more days till halloween halloween halloween. 3 more days till halloween silver SHAMROCK
Plus I'm Irish just like Conal Cochran hahaha.....Evil Bastard
Michaels Shape
01-18-2005, 03:53 PM
You want that avatar Nemisis?
damage_plan
01-18-2005, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
i respect everybody's opinion but if someone came up to you and asked you what the best horror movie of all time is you would look them dead in the eye and shamlessly say Resident Evil then if they looked at you like and idiot and said ''well i don't like that what else do you think is a really good one'' you would once again look them in the eye and say Jason X?
Do you really think that list is serious?:rolleyes:
TheOmen
01-18-2005, 05:05 PM
It's actually a great list...
for the '5worst horror movie' thread.
AUSTIN316426808
01-18-2005, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by damage_plan
Do you really think that list is serious?:rolleyes:
i was just hoping it wasn't:rolleyes:
damage_plan
01-18-2005, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
i was just hoping it wasn't:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
Nemesis412
01-19-2005, 11:10 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TheOmen
[B]It's actually a great list...
Um, Actually no it's not.
TheOmen
01-19-2005, 11:36 AM
.Um, Actually no it's not
What are you, 8 years old? Read the whole fucking post before you comment.
It says:
"It's actually a great list...
for the '5worst horror movie' thread."
Got that, nitwit?
Nemesis412
01-19-2005, 11:50 AM
Cry about it Bitch.:cool:
EXTR3MIST
01-19-2005, 03:14 PM
Yes I agree about the Vincest price thing
What, that he had sex with his sister?
OK so my list of most reviled movies in this forum is a wind up, but having said that BWP is a phenomenal horror experience, Jason X was a brave move and well underrated, Freddy's Revenge is dark and very unusual, Halloween 3 is a perfectly effective horror film slagged mainly due to its lack of (yawn) a certain Mr Myers, and Resident Evil is not that bad a game tie-in - sure beats Super Mario Bros., StreetFighter, Mortal Kombat...
Nemesis412
01-19-2005, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by EXTR3MIST
What, that he had sex with his sister?
OK so my list of most reviled movies in this forum is a wind up, but having said that BWP is a phenomenal horror experience, Jason X was a brave move and well underrated, Freddy's Revenge is dark and very unusual, Halloween 3 is a perfectly effective horror film slagged mainly due to its lack of (yawn) a certain Mr Myers, and Resident Evil is not that bad a game tie-in - sure beats Super Mario Bros., StreetFighter, Mortal Kombat...
No, Jason X really did suck ass.....I mean they put no effort into it, so therefore it wasn't a brave attempt.
I liked Freddy 2 not as much as the others but I still liked it.
Halloween 3 is a kickass movie even if it didn't have Myers in it.
Resident Evil had Zombies,cerberus dogs, and Umbrella and a hint of Nemesis. Not that great of a tie in there.
Now Resident Evil 2 was a great movie. ALOT better than the first one.
Gojira
01-19-2005, 06:44 PM
Here is what I think are the top 5 best Horror movies
1 The Devils Castle 1896 by Georges Melies. I think that the Devils Castle is without a doubt the best horror movie for this simple reason. It was the very 1st Horror movie ever made and without it other horror movies would not have followed. Btw the DevilsCastle was also the 1st Vampire movie. My 2nd pick is The Howling 1981 as it is imo to this day the best made Werewolf movie I have seen. 3rd would be Horror of Dracula 1958 with Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing. I had a bit of trouble deciding on which is the better Dracula movie Horror of Dracula or Bram Stokers Dracula in 1992 after thinking about it it has to be Horror of Dracula you just cant beat Lee and Cushing in a Dracula movie. My 4th pick is Godzilla 1954 as it is a movie about a mutated giant dinosarur who has the power of the h-bomb and he destroys in sheer torror an entire city and makes it radioactive leaving nothing but a wake of death and destrution behind him. My 5th pick is the Omen 1976 as it is a great movie about the Antichrist which is in the bible. Just the idea of such a person being alive is really a scary thought.
AUSTIN316426808
01-19-2005, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by Gojira
Here is what I think are the top 5 best Horror movies
1 The Devils Castle 1896 by Georges Melies. I think that the Devils Castle is without a doubt the best horror movie for this simple reason. It was the very 1st Horror movie ever made and without it other horror movies would not have followed. Btw the DevilsCastle was also the 1st Vampire movie. My 2nd pick is The Howling 1981 as it is imo to this day the best made Werewolf movie I have seen. 3rd would be Horror of Dracula 1958 with Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing. I had a bit of trouble deciding on which is the better Dracula movie Horror of Dracula or Bram Stokers Dracula in 1992 after thinking about it it has to be Horror of Dracula you just cant beat Lee and Cushing in a Dracula movie. My 4th pick is Godzilla 1954 as it is a movie about a mutated giant dinosarur who has the power of the h-bomb and he destroys in sheer torror an entire city and makes it radioactive leaving nothing but a wake of death and destrution behind him. My 5th pick is the Omen 1976 as it is a great movie about the Antichrist which is in the bible. Just the idea of such a person being alive is really a scary thought.
you can't honestly think that there would be no horror movies over the last hundred and nine years if The Devil's Castle wasn't made.
windfire1
01-19-2005, 10:21 PM
(1) The Exorcist
(2) Brom Stokers DRACULA
(3) 13 Ghosts
(4) Freddy VS Jason
(5) Halloween Resurection
Gojira
01-19-2005, 11:34 PM
Austin think about it if there had not ever been a 1st Horror movie there would not be a horror movie genre. It was the 1st horror movie that inspired other film makers to make that type of movie. It just so happens to be the 1st Horror movie ever made was Georges melies The Devils Castle in 1896. And dont forget the 1st Scifi movie was A trip to the moon 1902 without that movie there would not be a Scifi genre and Melies made that movie as well. Anyway thats why I think the DevilsCastle is the best because without it no other horror movies would even exist. I could say my faves are Exorcist the Omen Halloween Frankenstien 1931 Dracula 1931 but they arnt. I saw those movies at the Drive in growing up but imo Hammers 1968 movie The Devil Rides Out is a far better movie than the Exorcist and it is a shame the Devil Rides out never made it here in the US. I like Karloff in Universals 1931 Frankenstien movie alot but I think Hammer made better Frankenstien movies with Peter Cushing. And Chris Lee rules as Dracula not that Bela did a bad job bela was great in 1931 but perhaps Carlos Villarias in Universals Spanish Dracula movie may have done a better job at playing the evil count. I never really thought of Halloween as being great and I am puzzled by fans who say it is. The Exorcist is a very good movie not scary but well made. The Omen I love Damien Omen I like even better. But the 1931 Frankenstien would have never of been made had it not been for Thomas Edison who made the 1st Frankenstien movie in 1910 the 2nd Frankenstien movie was in 1915 titled Life without a Soul. Then 16 years later Universal made Frankenstien with Karloff. I think the 5 movies I picked were good choices for what they are and for what they represent in Horror movie history.
AUSTIN316426808
01-19-2005, 11:44 PM
Originally posted by Gojira
Austin think about it if there had not ever been a 1st Horror movie there would not be a horror movie genre. It was the 1st horror movie that inspired other film makers to make that type of movie. It just so happens to be the 1st Horror movie ever made was Georges melies The Devils Castle in 1896. And dont forget the 1st Scifi movie was A trip to the moon 1902 without that movie there would not be a Scifi genre and Melies made that movie as well. Anyway thats why I think the DevilsCastle is the best because without it no other horror movies would even exist. I could say my faves are Exorcist the Omen Halloween Frankenstien 1931 Dracula 1931 but they arnt. I saw those movies at the Drive in growing up but imo Hammers 1968 movie The Devil Rides Out is a far better movie than the Exorcist and it is a shame the Devil Rides out never made it here in the US. I like Karloff in Universals 1931 Frankenstien movie alot but I think Hammer made better Frankenstien movies with Peter Cushing. And Chris Lee rules as Dracula not that Bela did a bad job bela was great in 1931 but perhaps Carlos Villarias in Universals Spanish Dracula movie may have done a better job at playing the evil count. I never really thought of Halloween as being great and I am puzzled by fans who say it is. The Exorcist is a very good movie not scary but well made. The Omen I love Damien Omen I like even better. But the 1931 Frankenstien would have never of been made had it not been for Thomas Edison who made the 1st Frankenstien movie in 1910 the 2nd Frankenstien movie was in 1915 titled Life without a Soul. Then 16 years later Universal made Frankenstien with Karloff. I think the 5 movies I picked were good choices for what they are and for what they represent in Horror movie history.
i'm not bashing your picks if that's your opinion of what the best horror movies are then that's cool all i'm saying is that somewhere down the line in the last century someone would've made a horror movie i know just about everybody has put Halloween and the Exorcist on their lists but that doesn't obligate you to do the same if you like the old classics then that's fine. There are people that think Halloween and the Exorcist are the greatest horror movies ever made but you just basicly said that you thought Halloween sucked but there's nothing wrong about an opinion it's just what the paticular individual likes.
AUSTIN316426808
01-20-2005, 12:11 AM
Originally posted by Michaels Shape
Halloween
The Fog
The Thing
Escape from New York
Escape from L.A
i didn't think about it at first but Escape from New York and L.A aren't horror movies.
Gojira
01-20-2005, 12:27 AM
Hi Austin I know eveyone has their faves I have been a horror fan for 38 years I love these movies. I grew up always saying Lugosi was the best Dracula but to be honest its Chris Lee. I think alot of fans will just go with what they hear might be the best horror movie instead of watching as many horror movies as they can. You can always tell which way the horror movie genre is going by looking at the past horror movies. You may have noticed i did not say TCM as a fave and for good reason the 1974 movie is by far one of the biggest waste of film. You dont see what the movie implies there is no big massacre just a guy in a mask that motions as though he might be cutting when he isnt. The movie was just plain stupid it never got better it just got worse. I am thinking of renting the TCM remake in hopes it is a better movie. Come to think of it one of the top 5 should have been KingKong 1933 by RKO b&w that movie is a Masterpiece I saw the movie in a Theatre back in 1973 40th Anniversary showing. The movie was AWESOME. It was made in 1933 and I walked away saying to my dad WOW they could makes movies like that in 1933? He just smiled and said I guess so.
AUSTIN316426808
01-20-2005, 01:01 AM
i totally agree that Chris Lee is the best Dracula.
i understand what you're saying about people just hearing that a horror movie is suppose to be one of the best and they figure it is and that's it but i've seen quite a bit and i think that Halloween was a great film and i think it's the best horror movie i've ever seen, i also like the old classics like Phantom of the Opera which is one of my favorate movies.
While most horror movies usually stick to what the title is selling i'll have to disagree with you about the Texas Chainsaw Massacre being a waste of film sure the title insist that the movie is about some sort of slaughter but you have to realize that the title of a movie is critical to success and if you're a horror fan or not if you see a advertisment for a movie called the Texas Chainsaw Massacre you're going to take some interest. You could walk out of the theater thinking like ''aww man it says massacre and 15 people didn't get dismembered'' but just because you didn't directly get what the title insisted doesn't mean you should down the whole film for it a title is just marketing.
and by the way do yourself a favor and stay far far away from the TCM remake.
gnarly
01-20-2005, 01:02 AM
um..... ive seen so many horror movies that my mind is just fucked so ill just say my top five horror guys....
1 ash
2 freddy
3 leather face
4 zombies
5 mike myers an jason
AUSTIN316426808
01-20-2005, 01:08 AM
Originally posted by gnarly
um..... ive seen so many horror movies that my mind is just fucked so ill just say my top five horror guys....
1 ash
2 freddy
3 leather face
4 zombies
5 mike myers an jason
why didn't you just say
1 Evil Dead
2 Nightmare on Elm Street
3 Texas Chainsaw Massacre
4 I'm guessing one of the dead trilogy
5 Halloween
gnarly
01-20-2005, 01:38 AM
coz some of there movie are shit an some arnt
Gojira
01-20-2005, 06:00 AM
I agree some of these movies arnt really all that good imo. Take NOTLD in 1968 I saw it at the drive in back then and I thought it was a movie about drunks staggering around. and in 1980 the movie The Shining almost board me to death.. I think some fans expect a certain level of entertainment. Rehashing the same stuff over and over is just boring. I think reinventing and retelling the story is the way to go.
Vodstok
01-20-2005, 06:10 AM
No offence, but how can a fan of godzilla possibly get down on other movies for rehashing old ideas when your #1 movie monster has been in the same plot for over 50 years:
Big rubbery monster destroys major city, gets driven away at end.
NOTLD is a classic. It single handedly created the zombie movie genre.
As far as the Shining... Not gonna argue with you there. i love it, but to each his own. Just look in the mirror before you start pointing fingers.
Gojira
01-20-2005, 06:54 AM
Hi Vod I belive there were Zombie movies made before NOTLD 2 years before that in 1966 AstroZombies and way before that i think even Lugosi was in a Zombie movie. So I must disagree that NOTLD in 1968 created the Zombie movie genre. I can tell you for fact Toho studios has made 3 diffrent Godzilla movie series in the past 50 years . They didnt make the same plot over and over again. They have retold the Godzilla story 3 times. I like that at least its not rehashing. You know I am without a doubt one of the biggest Godzilla fans there is but I HATE the 70s G movies imo they suck bigtime. I do like all of the Godzilla movies of the 2nd series. The Heisei series movies 1984-1995 where not only are the monsters twice their original hight but the movies are much better made than the older movies. And the 3rd series the monsters are smaller closer to what they were in the 50s-70s but again the movies are higher quality and the storys are diffrent not the same old stuff. Example in 2 movies in 2002 and 2003 Godzilla is a clone. Now does that soundlike the same old plot I think not and thats one example. I also like Dracula 2000 now there is a retelling of the story its diffrent thus not the same old stuff. Now Peter Jackson on what I hear will have Kong at being 25 ft tall I think that will bum out alot of Kong fans including myself. but it is diffrent so I will go see the movie in december. btw have you read my other posts on the board? I talk alot about Dracula and other horror characters. Well I am off breakfast time.
Vodstok
01-20-2005, 07:04 AM
Idont hunt around to find people's other posts just to get to knwo them, sorry.
Astro-Zombies was 69, and even if there were previous zombie films, NOTLD set the standard by which all following films are graded.
There were "Space Operas" before Star Wars, but Lucas' movies set the bar.
okay, so Star wars is a bad example. Basically, if the movie created the pattern, then it started the genre. Have you seen any canniballistic walking corpse movies set atround a small group of people making due in a seemingly hopeless situation before NOTLD that had the same impact?
Gojira
01-20-2005, 09:17 AM
Hi Vod I dont mean to sound mean but I am honest in how I feel when I see any type of horror movie. I found NOTLD to be boring and I have seen Romeros other Zombie movies. How do the kids say it Gag me with a spoon anyway thats how I feel about Romeros films. IMO they arnt good but thats just me so dont take it personal. I dont take it personal when people say they dont like Godzilla movies. They find it surprising I dont like many of them myself. What I like is a very well made horror movie thats it. I know who made the horror and scifi movie genres that credit goes to Georges Melies french film maker and former Magican. George Pal in his day advanced the scfi genre then George Lucas came along and did more advancing. I am not a fan of Zombie movies but I have seen a few that may have entertained me. Now I concider Mummy movies to be Zombie movies because if you define what a Zombie or Mummy is it is a walking dead person. I see mummys as Zombies from Egypt. I do like some of the mummy movies not all but some. My fave is Hammers 1971 Blood from the Mummys Tomb staring Valerie Leon. I will tell you what bothers me I dont mean you btw i mean just people who say all Godzilla movies suck without seen them. imo those people are morons at least I try and see a movie before I pass judgment. I dont thinkanyone can name a top 5 best horror movies because there are so so so many good horror movies. Even after 38 years soon to be 39 years of watching horror its tough to choose. I dont go by popular polls I go by what I have seen in the last 38 years.
EXTR3MIST
01-20-2005, 12:17 PM
No, Jason X really did suck ass.....I mean they put no effort into it, so therefore it wasn't a brave attempt
No effort?
They blasted Jason into space... 500 years in the future!
Totally new setting! Funky new costume designs! Awesome super-Jason with shiny new endoskeleton!
Watch it again!
Vodstok
01-20-2005, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by Gojira
Hi Vod I dont mean to sound mean but I am honest in how I feel when I see any type of horror movie.
Hey, everyone has a right to their own opinion.
Just trying to keep the pot from calling the kettle anything ;)
Nemesis412
01-20-2005, 04:39 PM
Hello Gojira. I agree with everybody having their own opinion.
Saying that Halloween or TCM aren't even good horror movies I think is absurd.
I am 17 and no one has ever told me which horror movies to like. I love all kinds of horror. Obviously by the avatar I am a Halloween fan. IMO I think it is the best horror movie ever. It has set the bar for slashers. Sure there was Norman Bates, or Leatherface, but the slashers copied Myers more than anybody. He has a cool feel and great style. The movie had a great feel and a fantastic music score.
I don't think Tcm or the Excorcist should get so much praise as they do but none the less, Two very awesome horror movies.
No offence, and it is probably just me, but It seems you think it is the coolest thing in the world to like these old ass movies and criticize popular movies that(obviously)are popular becuase they were great movies. Everybody has their own opinion though and I respect that, I'm just saying credit should be given when it is due, Halloween,TCM,NOTLD,Excorcist(which I agree with you on it) totally should be given credit.
Gojira
01-20-2005, 05:39 PM
Hi Nemesis I dont think all old horror movies are better than most current horror movies. I think Mary Shelleys Frankenstien movie in 1994 is a far better Frankenstien movie than Universals 1931 version with Karloff and ColinClive. What I like are just very well made horror movies that will pass the test of time in the future and I like those movies that have passed the test of time. I think everyone does. When I was 17 back in 1978 I saw Halloween and it is by far one of the best thriller movies I have seen that Jaws and Psycho are all great thrillers imo. I remember going to see the Exorcist back in 1973 it was a very good horror movie it was not scary but it did have a few disturbing scenes in the movie. I liked it. I prefer the Omen over the Exorcist anyday. The Omen rules! If you want to talk slashers the ultimate slasher in a movie is Gigan. Gigan is a giant cyborg monster who has 2 giant hooks for hands and he can slash through buildings and anything else he likes. I would rather watch a good Werewolf movie than watch a Jason Freddy or Myers movie. I think a Werewolf movie has more substance and a Werewolf will just rip you to bits without the aid of a weapon. One movie I would like to see is the remake of TCM. I saw TCM in 1974 and what a jip that was. The title is Texas Chainsaw Massacre yet there no Massacre just a guy who motions like he is cutting but you can see he isnt. The movie just gets worse. I think I clapped when it ended because it ended. And I was at a Drive in LOL. Well I hope the remake is better.
Nemesis412
01-20-2005, 06:01 PM
After reading that Gojira.....I must say that I see where you are coming from. I had seen the Exorcist with my granparents but maybe a year ago and I laughed, I mean people fainting and saying how bad it was, I LAUGHED. I didn't hysterically laugh but I mean I don't care WHAT year it was(i get that alot, how ppl say it was bc of the year it was so scary) I also prefer the omen that is a badass movie I love it.
I however do prefer the 1931 version of Frankenstein a little more. Frankenstein is my 2nd only to Myers.
I like werewolf movies as do you. Everybody on here loves to knock on TCM remake. I have a feeling you won't like it but I did very much. Everybody says it is nothing like the original....but then again I will agree(while I liked it) it wasn't what people make it to be. So I guess we shall see what your thoughts are on it.
And yeah your're pretty cool lol.
P.s I also think Chris Lee was the best Dracula,besides Bela Indeed.
TheOmen
01-20-2005, 11:50 PM
Take NOTLD in 1968 I saw it at the drive in back then and I thought it was a movie about drunks staggering around. and in 1980 the movie The Shining almost board me to death.. I think some fans expect a certain level of entertainment.
You, sir, are a cinematic idiot! The Shining is a very entertaining movie. Just the camera work itself is entertaining for fuck sake. The deliberate pace builds up the tension which boils over in the famous hedge maze scene. It's the best horror movie ever made, with possibly the best character ever in Jack Torrance(with honorable mention to Ash).
Be gone !
urgeok
01-21-2005, 01:11 AM
Originally posted by TheOmen
You, sir, are a cinematic idiot! The Shining is a very entertaining movie. Just the camera work itself is entertaining for fuck sake. The deliberate pace builds up the tension which boils over in the famous hedge maze scene. It's the best horror movie ever made, with possibly the best character ever in Jack Torrance(with honorable mention to Ash).
Be gone !
even the opening credits .. i remember seeeing it in the theatre like it was yesterday ... the camera running with the car heading up the mountains .. then veering off over the edge .. sent my stomach into my throat ...
It set the pace for the rest of the film
Gojira
01-21-2005, 05:53 AM
LOL good thing I didnt tell Omen I just about fell asleep watching the Shining back in 1980. The movie was just way to long I was bored.
Michaels Shape
01-21-2005, 06:03 AM
So who cares that you fell asleep watching the Shining it was a boring ass movie, if you want a movie that will keep you awake it would be the newest Shining the one that Stephen King did.
Nemesis412
01-21-2005, 07:33 AM
The new Shining?........heh........yeah..........right.... ....*scoff*
TheOmen
01-21-2005, 07:59 AM
LOL good thing I didnt tell Omen I just about fell asleep watching the Shining back in 1980. The movie was just way to long I was bored.
In fact, you are who I was responding to.
So who cares that you fell asleep watching the Shining it was a boring ass movie, if you want a movie that will keep you awake it would be the newest Shining the one that Stephen King did.
LOL. That is by far the dumbest thing I've read on these boards. Saying you don't care for The Shining is okay, if not questionable, but to put that slop from King ahead of it...wow... your credibility is just shit.
It's obvious to me that if you think Kubrick's version is boring, you're not a fan of great movies. Maybe you're too young to appreciate anything that isn't edited like a McG movie or video. The slow pace is what makes it great.
Nemesis412
01-21-2005, 08:42 AM
Ok, Just becuase he doesn't like the Shining doesn't mean he doesn't like great movies.
Michaels Shape
01-21-2005, 08:49 AM
Originally posted by TheOmen
In fact, you are who I was responding to.
LOL. That is by far the dumbest thing I've read on these boards. Saying you don't care for The Shining is okay, if not questionable, but to put that slop from King ahead of it...wow... your credibility is just shit.
It's obvious to me that if you think Kubrick's version is boring, you're not a fan of great movies. Maybe you're too young to appreciate anything that isn't edited like a McG movie or video. The slow pace is what makes it great.
I happen to like alot of great movies, and I was thinking to myself while I was reading your post, Haha Nothing because I dont remember asking your opinion or I dont remember giving a shit what you think.
slasherman
01-21-2005, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by Michaels Shape
if you want a movie that will keep you awake it would be the newest Shining the one that Stephen King did.
Stephen King has only directed "Maximum Overdrive" that proved him being crap(as a director)....
To compare him with Kubrick is not serious and dumb...
Michaels Shape
01-21-2005, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by slasherman
Stephen King has only directed "Maximum Overdrive" that proved him being crap(as a director)....
To compare him with Kubrick is not serious and dumb...
Or that could mean your just a faggot hater, Stephen King is one of the best directors in the world, so I think you can also eat shit and dissapear.
slasherman
01-21-2005, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by Michaels Shape
Or that could mean your just a faggot hater, Stephen King is one of the best directors in the world, so I think you can also eat shit and dissapear.
maybe you mean writer asshole...
Michaels Shape
01-21-2005, 10:50 AM
Maybe... maybe not....
urgeok
01-21-2005, 10:50 AM
maybe we could elevate the quality of this arguement a tad ?
whats with all the hostility here lately ? jesus ...
Michaels Shape
01-21-2005, 10:55 AM
It's everybody else, I said in my introduction, I argue with people that argue with me first, and if they keep arguing I wont stopp.
slasherman
01-21-2005, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by Michaels Shape
It's everybody else, I said in my introduction, I argue with people that argue with me first, and if they keep arguing I wont stopp.
I dont call it arguing...Stephen King is a crapy director and thats a fact...as a writer i guess his ok....many good films are based on his books: Carrie, the Shining(Kubrick)..and so on
Michaels Shape
01-21-2005, 11:07 AM
Stephen Kings Shining was way better than Kubrick, Kubrick's was just boring.
slasherman
01-21-2005, 11:12 AM
Do you mean this one ?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118460/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnxteD0yMHxzZz0xfGxtPTIwMHx0dD1vbnxwbj 0wfHE9dGhlIHNoaW5pbmd8aHRtbD0xfG5tPW9u;fc=2;ft=21; fm=1
If you take a look...its not directed by King !!!!
Michaels Shape
01-21-2005, 11:21 AM
Thats the Punisher.
ClassicHorror
01-21-2005, 11:30 AM
Hey Gojira how are you doing???? Its RaduRed1, Georges Melies is a genius for making Devils Castle.
5. Zombie
4. Evil Dead
3. Texas Chainsaw Massacre
2. Suspiria
1. Hellraiser
Theser are my FAVES I can't say what the 5 greatest are because everyone has a different opinion.
LONG LIVE MELIES THE PIONEER OF FANTASY/HORROR FILMS!
TheOmen
01-21-2005, 12:33 PM
Alright, I'm changing my list.
1.The Shining
2. Halloween
3. Suspiria
4. TCM
5. Evil Dead
It's everybody else, I said in my introduction, I argue with people that argue with me first, and if they keep arguing I wont stopp.
Stop.
Gojira
01-21-2005, 01:07 PM
Hi ClassicHorror I am doing fine and hey its me Toho54
Nemesis412
01-21-2005, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by ClassicHorror
Hey Gojira how are you doing???? Its RaduRed1, Georges Melies is a genius for making Devils Castle.
5. Zombie
4. Evil Dead
3. Texas Chainsaw Massacre
2. Suspiria
1. Hellraiser
Theser are my FAVES I can't say what the 5 greatest are because everyone has a different opinion.
LONG LIVE MELIES THE PIONEER OF FANTASY/HORROR FILMS!
That is a very good list I must say Classic.
It is good to see that you lile Hellraiser. Very good movie, While Halloween is mine Hellraiser is def up there.
Gojira
01-21-2005, 01:30 PM
Always remember without Georges Melies there would not be a Horror movie genre or a Scifi movie genre.
Michaels Shape
01-21-2005, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by TheOmen
Stop.
What are you gonna do about it?
ClassicHorror
01-21-2005, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by Gojira
Always remember without Georges Melies there would not be a Horror movie genre or a Scifi movie genre.
Toho last time I talked to you a bunch of kids were saying you were a bum in the chat.
Melies is my idol. Not only the scifi genre, fantasy as well.
TheOmen
01-21-2005, 05:10 PM
"Quote:
Originally posted by TheOmen
Stop.
What are you gonna do about it?"
Over the net? Probably reply snidely and laugh to myself.
Nemesis412
01-21-2005, 05:20 PM
oooooooooooooooooohhhhhh BURN
TheOmen
01-21-2005, 07:18 PM
oooooooooooooooooohhhhhh BURN
Lol. Well, what would you have me do? Start a meaningless fight with with a teenager? Everyone is tough online, so it's fruitless.
Nemesis412
01-21-2005, 07:33 PM
hahaha yea. I think its funny how you said it lol . which yeah of course anybody can beat anybodys online hahah yeah.....right lol you have a point omen
AUSTIN316426808
01-22-2005, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by Gojira
Always remember without Georges Melies there would not be a Horror movie genre or a Scifi movie genre.
dude seriously get over it it's been 109 years or something like that since Devil's Castle was made and you're saying that if Melies wouldn't have made it then there wouldn't be any horror or SciFi movies a century later? With people going to the moon, claims of alien obduction, all of Bram Stoker's books,all the stories of the Chupracaba,Big Foot, Fairy Tales that if you go back are dark tales mostly used to keep children in line and the list goes on and on ect. ect. You can't possibly think of what i just said/typed whatever and come to the conclusion that there would be no Horror or Sci-Fi movies without the Devil's Castle a hundred years ago.
AUSTIN316426808
01-22-2005, 10:57 AM
You keep saying you like well made horror movies yet you say that The Shining is boring and you almost fell asleep watching it,you also say that you found Halloween to be mediocre and you've got a problem with Texas Chainsaw Massacre because it says massacre in the title and it doesn't really have a massacre taking place and you go on to bashing Night of the Living Dead.
You sit here glorifing monsters and to me it looks like all you really like is monster movies which i have no problem with,the thing that's getting on my nerves is that you're constantly trashing all these classic films and saying that everybody here is just going along with i guess what you would call the popular vote of what great horror films are without seeing alot of them but everybody here for the most part has seen their fair share of horror films if you go to urge's gallery i'm not 100% sure but he has pics of the films he has and i don't know the exact number but it's ALOT. I myself have a good number of horror films and i've seen to many to remember and if you go through the old threads you'll find one that alot of people posted their horror collection for the most part everybody that did post had a shitload of movies. Everybody that likes the films that you're repeatedly trashing doesn't just like them because they haven't seen anything else and they're just going along with the crowd it's because they're great horror films. The Exorcist and Halloween are on almost everybody's list because they're great films that were very well made.
slasherman
01-22-2005, 11:02 AM
some crapy movies
Darker Side of Terror, Nightmare at Noon, Night Flowers
Sister Sister, Cries In The Night, The Todd Killings
http://D:\bilde-film.jpg
AUSTIN316426808
01-22-2005, 11:20 AM
There were zombie films before Romero came along and did Night of the Living Dead. There were Sci-Fi movies before Lucas came along.There were slasher films before Carpenter came along. The thing you're failing to realize is that i think it was Omen who said it a few posts back, Halloween set the standard for slasher films as did Night of the Living Dead and Star Wars did for their respective genres I know there was vampire and frankenstein films before '31 but who cares those are the standard it doesn't matter who started the genre with what film it doesn't mean they're the best just because they're the first. You keep saying Devil's Castle is the best horror film because it was the first, unlike Citizen Kane (which is called the best film ever very often because it was the first non silent film) devil's castle wasn't all that great C.K. on the other hand was a really well made film. You're entitled to your opinion just like everyone else but everytime somebody mentions a film that they think is great it would be nice if you don't throw all your this was made before that and i thought it was boring because of this and that bullshit at it. When you came on here and imidiately started praising Godzilla we for the most part respected your opinion and didn't start running down a bunch of shit that you probably wouldn't want to hear about how boring and generic Godzilla really is, so why don't you just chill sometime and let people have their opinion without hearing all that shit about devil's castle and how just about every classic horror film is either stupid or boring.
Gojira
01-22-2005, 11:59 AM
Hi Austin I think you misunderstood me the reason I say the Devils Castle is the best Horror movies is because if it had not been made there wouldnt be any horror movies at all. It is because it was made that it inspired other horror movies to be made thus creating a new movie genre the horror movie genre. I know darn well the Devils Castle is not the best made horror movie everyone knows that. But it is the movie that started the genre. How many movies can say they were the ones that inspired a movie genre to be made? If you want to know what I think is the best giant monster movie here is my answer it is Midnight Episode made in 1899. The reason its the best is the same reason the Devils Castle is the best horror movie. Midnight Episode was the 1st giant monster movie thus inspiring other movie makers to make other giant monster movies even better made movies like KingKong in 1933 or Godzilla in 1954 etc. I dont think the 1931 Frankenstien movie is the best Frankenstien movie but I do think Thomas Edisons 1910 Frankenstien movie is the best Frankenstien movie because it inspied a 2nd Frankenstien movie to be madein 1915 and a 3rd in 1931 etc. If you ask me which is my fave Frankenstien movie the 1931 karloff movie wil be one of my top 3 faves. Alot of fans like Werewolf movies I love em most like Lon Chaney Jr in the Wolfman but the best is the1st Werewolf movie made in 1913 because it was the 1st The Wolfman was made in 1941. My fave is the Howling 1981. Get my point. You have to know the diffrence between the best and a favorate. There is 1 bestand lots of faves. If you have read my posts about Godzilla I am ure you noticed i dont like all the Godzilla movies i like only the good ones. When I talk about movies I have seen I am giving my feeling on how I felt about the movie. I know there are fans of Romero I am not one of them because I am not impressed by his movies but some do like him I never said his movies sucked I just said how i felt about them. If someone were to say hey Godzilla vs. Megalon sucks i would agree with them 100% I would also say Godzillas Revenge sucks 100%. Because its true. If someone says Marry Shelleys Frankenstien movie in 1994 is better than karloff in 1931 I will agree because it is. I dont put what people say down I say things that are true maybe some here are way to sensitive. I like Vincent Price but I dont like all his movies but some are better than others.
Static
01-22-2005, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by slasherman
some crapy movies
Darker Side of Terror, Nightmare at Noon, Night Flowers
Sister Sister, Cries In The Night, The Todd Killings
http://D:\bilde-film.jpg
Nightmare at Noon is a great movie. For the life of me I can't understand why anyone likes Suspiria on the other hand. I think it's one of those things where people feel like they have to say they like it because they think it makes them sound smart.
Nemesis412
01-22-2005, 03:01 PM
See Gojira. Just like the universe you don't know that FOR SURE.
How do you know. You don't. You keep saying the same thing over and over again. I think what Austin is trying to say is: That was 109 years ago. There is a big possibility more like 100 percent that somebody would have made one. How do you know someone made a movie that inspired that guy to make one....just the movie got lost or somethin so they have no record of it.
And I know for a fact that no body has ever said yes he inspired me to make a horror movie.
See before you get all holy about how it was the first movie and there WOULDN'T be any horor movie becuase of sit back and think.....thats retarded. Somebody would have had the idea.
Gojira
01-22-2005, 03:54 PM
Hi Nemesis I am sure if you were to ask the guys who made Halloween or Friday the 13th what inspired them to make those movies. Maybe they would say Frankenstien. And if you were to ask James Whale what inspired him to make his 1931 Frankenstien movie he might say either Life without a soul the 2nd Frankenstien movie in 1915 or the 1st Frankenstien movie of 1910 by Thomas Edison. My point being horror movie makers have always been inspired by the movies that were made before. But all horror movies stem from 1 single horror movie which was the 1st horror movie. Thats not an opionion thats a fact same goes for scfi movies or action movies etc. If some guy were to ask what was the best airplane ever made he would probley say the one that the Writebrothers flew. He would be right. There are awesome planes today some can go mach 7 but those planes wouldnt even exist had the write brothers never built or flew their plane. Think about it the same goes with horror movies. Nemesis if you really want to know what Horror movies will be made in the next few years try this look at the horror movies that were made 5 or 8 years ago then imagine if those movie were updated . Thats what horror movies will be like 5 years from now. Just keep this in mind if it werent for old horror movies there wouldnt be new horror movies. You might want to try this look at all the movie monsters in the last 109 years and see which of them are still around and which arnt then ask why some are still around. Because the ones that are are the ones movie goers like and they dont suck they rule.
Nemesis412
01-22-2005, 04:33 PM
Good Evening Gojira.
Of course you can say that James Whale was inspired by the other two movies OR he could have been inspired by the book Frankenstein which, books have spawned movies.
Same with Steven King, you can't honetly think horror movies alone made him the way he is. Devil's castle is NOT the reason horror movies are what they are.
People have visions of horrible thing, which they want to express.
Saying Devil's Castle was the reason for horror movies....is in all due respect: Utter Bullshit.
ClassicHorror
01-22-2005, 04:39 PM
Wel its been 109 years since Melies made Devils Castle....well most people who go to Film School know who he is. He's made over 1,000 films. Horror, Scifi, and everything else.
The first non silent film was The Jazz Singer. The first film of all time was The Lumiere Brothers The Sprinkler Sprinkled (1895).
The Devils Castle is only 2 minutes by the way. But it was a good movie, it sounds good, but not the best.
There were alot influenced by Melies, but alot weren't. James Whale's Frankenstein isn't a remake by the way, its an adaption of the book and its way better then the 90's version.
Georges Melies made The Devils Laboratory which was a better film then Devils Castle. Also Cabby's Nightmare was better then Devils Castle, I really don't think we should argue about a film that no one still alive in the world has seen.
Gojira
01-22-2005, 04:43 PM
Ok Nemesis name me 3 guys who had the idea of making a horror movie back in 1896. I only know of 1 guy who had the idea of making a horror movie back in 1896 and he not only had the idea but he made the movie. And thats not BS.
AUSTIN316426808
01-22-2005, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by Gojira
Hi Austin I think you misunderstood me the reason I say the Devils Castle is the best Horror movies is because if it had not been made there wouldnt be any horror movies at all. It is because it was made that it inspired other horror movies to be made thus creating a new movie genre the horror movie genre. I know darn well the Devils Castle is not the best made horror movie everyone knows that. But it is the movie that started the genre. How many movies can say they were the ones that inspired a movie genre to be made? If you want to know what I think is the best giant monster movie here is my answer it is Midnight Episode made in 1899. The reason its the best is the same reason the Devils Castle is the best horror movie. Midnight Episode was the 1st giant monster movie thus inspiring other movie makers to make other giant monster movies even better made movies like KingKong in 1933 or Godzilla in 1954 etc. I dont think the 1931 Frankenstien movie is the best Frankenstien movie but I do think Thomas Edisons 1910 Frankenstien movie is the best Frankenstien movie because it inspied a 2nd Frankenstien movie to be madein 1915 and a 3rd in 1931 etc. If you ask me which is my fave Frankenstien movie the 1931 karloff movie wil be one of my top 3 faves. Alot of fans like Werewolf movies I love em most like Lon Chaney Jr in the Wolfman but the best is the1st Werewolf movie made in 1913 because it was the 1st The Wolfman was made in 1941. My fave is the Howling 1981. Get my point. You have to know the diffrence between the best and a favorate. There is 1 bestand lots of faves. If you have read my posts about Godzilla I am ure you noticed i dont like all the Godzilla movies i like only the good ones. When I talk about movies I have seen I am giving my feeling on how I felt about the movie. I know there are fans of Romero I am not one of them because I am not impressed by his movies but some do like him I never said his movies sucked I just said how i felt about them. If someone were to say hey Godzilla vs. Megalon sucks i would agree with them 100% I would also say Godzillas Revenge sucks 100%. Because its true. If someone says Marry Shelleys Frankenstien movie in 1994 is better than karloff in 1931 I will agree because it is. I dont put what people say down I say things that are true maybe some here are way to sensitive. I like Vincent Price but I dont like all his movies but some are better than others.
You just aren't getting the point. I know the difference between what someone thinks the best is and what someone's favorates are, for instints one of my friends thinks that The Exorcist is the best horror movie but his favorate horror movie is Friday the 13th trust me i know the difference and that's not what this discussion is about, I have no problem with what you like if Godzilla is your favorate and you like alot of the older horror movies that's cool. The thing that i'm not really understanding is why you think that if devil's castle wouldn't have been made that in the last hundred years there would not be one of the hundreds of thousands of horror movies that we have today that doesn't even sound rational. Just because something is the first doesn't make it the best for perfect example the first computer would now because categorized as a peice of junk but the ones we have now are state of the art, another example i'm sure they're were plenty of dramas made before the Godfather but you're telling me since the one made in 1899,1903 or whatever year is better than the Godfather because it was the first? I don't think so. I know there were alot of Sci-Fi films before Star Wars but the first one made in 1900 or something like that isn't better than Star Wars. The point i'm tring to get across that you really really aren't getting is that just because it was the first doesn't mean there wouldn't be any now and it really doesn't mean that it's the best. Once again you're entitled to your opinion just like everybody else but to say some silent crap made in 1896 is better than the Shining or The Exorcist ect. for the simple and irrelevant fact that it was the first horror made doesn't even have anything to do with opinions it's just completely irrational.
AUSTIN316426808
01-22-2005, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by Gojira
Ok Nemesis name me 3 guys who had the idea of making a horror movie back in 1896. I only know of 1 guy who had the idea of making a horror movie back in 1896 and he not only had the idea but he made the movie. And thats not BS.
how do you know how many people had an idea to make a horror film in 1896. You only know of one but they're might have been many.
AUSTIN316426808
01-22-2005, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by Gojira
Hi Nemesis I am sure if you were to ask the guys who made Halloween or Friday the 13th what inspired them to make those movies. Maybe they would say Frankenstien. And if you were to ask James Whale what inspired him to make his 1931 Frankenstien movie he might say either Life without a soul the 2nd Frankenstien movie in 1915 or the 1st Frankenstien movie of 1910 by Thomas Edison. My point being horror movie makers have always been inspired by the movies that were made before. But all horror movies stem from 1 single horror movie which was the 1st horror movie. Thats not an opionion thats a fact same goes for scfi movies or action movies etc. If some guy were to ask what was the best airplane ever made he would probley say the one that the Writebrothers flew. He would be right. There are awesome planes today some can go mach 7 but those planes wouldnt even exist had the write brothers never built or flew their plane. Think about it the same goes with horror movies. Nemesis if you really want to know what Horror movies will be made in the next few years try this look at the horror movies that were made 5 or 8 years ago then imagine if those movie were updated . Thats what horror movies will be like 5 years from now. Just keep this in mind if it werent for old horror movies there wouldnt be new horror movies. You might want to try this look at all the movie monsters in the last 109 years and see which of them are still around and which arnt then ask why some are still around. Because the ones that are are the ones movie goers like and they dont suck they rule.
If you asked someone what the greatest airplane ever made is I'm pretty sure they wouldn't say the wright brothers plane, you know why? Because it's irrational there's planes that can go hundreds of miles per hour completely undetected by radar and all sorts of other things so there's no way the best plane ever made is one that flew no longer than it takes to pour a glass of water.
Once again you're being irrational by saying that if it weren't for the wright brothers there wouldn't be any planes that's even worse than saying that there wouldn't be any horror movies without the devil's castle because people have had the idea of flying since God knows when and to say that if the wright brothers wouldn't have made that one paticular peice of crap airplane then there wouldn't be any at all is also irrational.
Nemesis412
01-22-2005, 05:17 PM
Exactly.
I mean someone I am POSITIVE would have had the idea. Just because HE had the idea doen't mean someone else wouldn't of.
Nemesis412
01-22-2005, 05:19 PM
As far as him being the onlyone in 1896 to have an idea for horror.
That is not relevent. I am talking about the fact that anybody could have had an idea at ANY year. Not the late 1800's.
ClassicHorror
01-22-2005, 05:21 PM
My favorite horror film is Hellraiser.
What I think the greatest horror film is: Night of The Living Dead. Its a perfect movie.
ClassicHorror
01-22-2005, 05:27 PM
Well people were afraid to make horror films so I am pretty sure it wouldn't have been made in a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time. I'm talking 30, 40 years.
If Melies didn't make those 700 horror films the films in the 1900-1910's would have had no courage whatsoever. You know horror films at that time were made in Europe, and Melies is French. Melies was a famous person at the time. He had his own theater, and he had quite a famous background at being a Magician.
Also Melies kind of kicked off what real films should look like, and that films deserve alot of creativity, and effort. He introduced us to the term "LET THE CAMERA BE THE AUDIENCE". He also introduced special effects. GREAT special effects which were AMAZING, like things floating in the air, and disapearing into thin air.
Nemesis412
01-22-2005, 05:35 PM
Hellraiser is a fantastic movie.
Well he deserves credit, but not for being the father of horror.
Gojira
01-22-2005, 05:43 PM
Nobody knows how many film makers back in the 1890s had the idea of making a horror movie but what history tells us is that they guy who thought of making a horror movie in 1896 made 1 and it was a vampire movie titled the Devils Castle. The very same guy after reading Jules Verne novel from earth to the moon made a movie based on vernes book titled A trip to the moon in 1902 that was the 1st scifi movie. French film maker Georges Melies made those movies. Then he made more horror movies and more scifi movies. Until other film makers saw them and made their own. In 1910 Thomas Edison made the 1st Frankenstien movie in 1909 Gerard Bourgeois made the 1st Mummy movie and in 1908 Dr. Jekyll & Mr Hyde was made by Selig Polyscope. Its not like 10 guys all had the same idea if they did we would know who they were. I think people here get the phraze Favorate movie confused with Best movie. I will try to explain My fave Werewolf movie is the Howling but the best Werewolf movie is Werewolf made in 1913. Now the Howling is a much better made movie awesome infact but its not the best Werewolf movie. The best Werewolf movie is the 1st Werewolf movie thats the movie that gave other film makers the idea of making other Werewolf movies. Any movie about any subject that is made 1st is automaticly the best. Alot of people say Washington was the best President and they are right and other people say JFK was their fave president others say Lincoln you can have alot of faves there can only be 1 best. I will say the Omen is one of my fave horror movies I would be a fool and an idiot if I said the Omen is the best horror movie. Unless the Omen was made in 1896 by Georges Melies but its not so it cant be the best its just a fave and there are hundreds of faves. Now we know that when movies were 1st being made back in 1891 7 movies were made that year by diffrent people but 6 years later 1 guy made the 1st horror movie and the 2nd and 3rd who knows who made the 4th and 5th horror movies just be glad the idea of horror movies caught on.
ClassicHorror
01-22-2005, 06:06 PM
The films in 1891 were animation.
Nemesis412
01-22-2005, 06:06 PM
That seems very narrow minded.
Just because it was the first made does make it the best, You also have to keep in mind.....Best is an opinion WHENEVER best is used is soley for opinion not fact. Just because it was the first doesn't make it the best.
It is what elements were put into the movie. Same with alot of things.
Just because someone gets done first doesn't mean they did the best. It is quality over quantity.
AUSTIN316426808
01-22-2005, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by Gojira
Nobody knows how many film makers back in the 1890s had the idea of making a horror movie but what history tells us is that they guy who thought of making a horror movie in 1896 made 1 and it was a vampire movie titled the Devils Castle. The very same guy after reading Jules Verne novel from earth to the moon made a movie based on vernes book titled A trip to the moon in 1902 that was the 1st scifi movie. French film maker Georges Melies made those movies. Then he made more horror movies and more scifi movies. Until other film makers saw them and made their own. In 1910 Thomas Edison made the 1st Frankenstien movie in 1909 Gerard Bourgeois made the 1st Mummy movie and in 1908 Dr. Jekyll & Mr Hyde was made by Selig Polyscope. Its not like 10 guys all had the same idea if they did we would know who they were. I think people here get the phraze Favorate movie confused with Best movie. I will try to explain My fave Werewolf movie is the Howling but the best Werewolf movie is Werewolf made in 1913. Now the Howling is a much better made movie awesome infact but its not the best Werewolf movie. The best Werewolf movie is the 1st Werewolf movie thats the movie that gave other film makers the idea of making other Werewolf movies. Any movie about any subject that is made 1st is automaticly the best. Alot of people say Washington was the best President and they are right and other people say JFK was their fave president others say Lincoln you can have alot of faves there can only be 1 best. I will say the Omen is one of my fave horror movies I would be a fool and an idiot if I said the Omen is the best horror movie. Unless the Omen was made in 1896 by Georges Melies but its not so it cant be the best its just a fave and there are hundreds of faves. Now we know that when movies were 1st being made back in 1891 7 movies were made that year by diffrent people but 6 years later 1 guy made the 1st horror movie and the 2nd and 3rd who knows who made the 4th and 5th horror movies just be glad the idea of horror movies caught on.
Ok just answer this question what influenced Georges Melies to make the devil's castle a two minute silent film made over a hundred years ago that you claim is the best horror movie ever made. Everybody is influenced to do something because of something else it's called cause and effect. Whoever made that first werewolf movie is only credited with just that making the first werewolf movie it's not the best because it's the first. Your thought process on this subject is just completely irrational.
ClassicHorror
01-22-2005, 06:09 PM
Austin you user name is killing me, lol.
Nemesis412
01-22-2005, 06:21 PM
Why is it so funny to you Classic?
ClassicHorror
01-22-2005, 06:32 PM
AUSTIN316426808
Blame the champagne for the laughter!
These numbers are making me dizzy for some reason.
Nemesis412
01-22-2005, 06:36 PM
Haha
I don't know why but.
To me Gojira and yourself seem like two British Gentlemen for some reason.
Haha I don't know why.
Gojira
01-22-2005, 07:00 PM
Classic Shhhh dont tell anyone that we are really Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing 2 British Gents
Nemesis412
01-22-2005, 07:07 PM
Wow, I feel honored.
Well I am out for the night, G'nite gentlemen :)
copecope
01-22-2005, 07:30 PM
Halloween 2
Phantasm
Final Destination 2
Ghost Ship
Hell Raiser
Not to put down others picks but Escape from NY and LA were not horror films and for Blair Witch Project I couldent get past the fact that their hair was clean every day and they were fresh shaved seemed strange for people stuck in the woods.
copecope
AUSTIN316426808
01-22-2005, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by ClassicHorror
Austin you user name is killing me, lol.
it's killing me too everytime i see it.
what happened is that was my aol screenname at the time i registered and i thought i had to use my sn as the user name also.
AUSTIN316426808
01-22-2005, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by copecope
Halloween 2
Phantasm
Final Destination 2
Ghost Ship
Hell Raiser
Not to put down others picks but Escape from NY and LA were not horror films and for Blair Witch Project I couldent get past the fact that their hair was clean every day and they were fresh shaved seemed strange for people stuck in the woods.
copecope
i like the first two picks but come on Ghost Ship.
copecope
01-22-2005, 08:51 PM
ok the movie was kinda week But the plot was stronge I like things that organal or close to it ...copecope...
The STE
01-22-2005, 10:11 PM
organal[/B]
is that some kind of fetish term for group butt sex?
AUSTIN316426808
01-22-2005, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by The STE
is that some kind of fetish term for group butt sex?
LMAO!
Gojira
01-23-2005, 05:21 AM
Hey Classic I just read your post on Georges Melies and I am glad you know he was a Magican before he became a film maker. There have beena few Magicans who became movie makers in the late 1890s and early 1900s Georges Melies Harry Houdini like Melies owned his own movie studio. And George Albert Smith and Walter R Booth just to name a few. Melies is famous for making the 1st movie studio in the Parisian suberb of Montreuil. He is also credited as being the 1st film director. He was also called the King of the Phantasmagoria the Jules Verne of the cinema and the Magican of the screen. Of course Meiles movie influences were Thomas Edison inventor of movies and Louis Lumiere. If you think about it Willis O Brian couldnt have made The Lost World or KingKong had it not been for Georges Melies. After all Melies invented stopmotion and Willis O Brian used it for his movies. And your right Melies inventes Special effects in movies which is what made him diffrent than Edison. Just imagine back then when you made a movie that was 10 or 12 minutes long thats what we consider a 3 hour movie to be like today.
urgeok
01-23-2005, 05:24 AM
Originally posted by The STE
is that some kind of fetish term for group butt sex?
nope .. its the ancient art of sphincter folding.
where you take your 'o ring' and bend it into different shapes .. like swans, butterflys, etc ..
Michaels Shape
01-23-2005, 05:29 AM
Originally posted by urgeok
nope .. its the ancient art of sphincter folding.
where you take your 'o ring' and bend it into different shapes .. like swans, butterflys, etc ..
WHAT!???:confused:
urgeok
01-23-2005, 05:40 AM
Originally posted by copecope
ok the movie was kinda week But the plot was stronge I like things that organal or close to it ...copecope...
organal ... from a few posts above :)
see STE's response...
read up man, read up ! :D
copecope
01-23-2005, 07:55 AM
I wasent aware this was a spelling B --------so let me try again...... original ........This is one strange place .....does anyone talk about movies?
slasherman
01-23-2005, 08:14 AM
Originally posted by Static
Nightmare at Noon is a great movie.
Great ?...maybe a little funny cause of its b status..:)
slasherman
01-23-2005, 08:16 AM
Originally posted by copecope
Final Destination 2
:D i like it
urgeok
01-23-2005, 08:46 AM
Originally posted by copecope
I wasent aware this was a spelling B --------so let me try again...... original ........This is one strange place .....does anyone talk about movies?
seriously - it does help if you take the time to check spelling .. i make a million typos but i try to edit and fix them for the sake of anyone reading the posts.
it just looks bad and people will either poke fun or avoid reading your posts ..
look at it as a way to hone your writing skills ..
Angra
01-23-2005, 09:09 AM
Originally posted by urgeok
seriously - it does help if you take the time to check spelling .. i make a million typos but i try to edit and fix them for the sake of anyone reading the posts.
it just looks bad and people will either poke fun or avoid reading your posts ..
look at it as a way to hone your writing skills ..
Okay daddy. LOL ;)
urgeok
01-23-2005, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by Angra
Okay daddy. LOL ;)
well fuck !
sometimes this place is a celebration of illiteracy .. its pathetic !
Angra
01-23-2005, 09:54 AM
Originally posted by urgeok
well fuck !
sometimes this place is a celebration of illiteracy .. its pathetic !
True. :rolleyes:
ClassicHorror
01-23-2005, 10:24 AM
I'll be Christopher Lee Gojira you can be Cushing, or the other way around? which suits you?
Angra
01-23-2005, 10:28 AM
Then i will be Vincent Price. :cool: :D
ClassicHorror
01-23-2005, 10:54 AM
Who's going to be Bela and Karloff?
Angra
01-23-2005, 11:19 AM
some other suckers. :D
Nemesis412
01-23-2005, 11:59 AM
I wanna be Nick Castle as Michael Myers :)
Ok....I wanna be Karloff.
Yes you don't have to spell the best Copecope.
But you spell REALLY bad and you really need to look at, I mean you're talking like it's ok to spell bad and IT IS ok but not as bad as you do.
Michaels Shape
01-23-2005, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by Nemesis412
I wanna be Nick Castle as Michael Myers :)
Nick Castle was awesome, hes the original and nobody can act like Nick did as Michael.
Nemesis412
01-23-2005, 02:55 PM
I agree 100%.
He may have only played him once but he is the original.
The way he was, WAS the reason I love myers so much. The way he moved and everything is freakin sweet.
I love the sequels but they screwed it up everytime.
He also directed 1991's Hook. That movie is freakin sweet. Makes him even cooler.
ClassicHorror
01-23-2005, 03:11 PM
Nick Castle directed Hook???!!! Wow he's not a bad director.
Nemesis412
01-23-2005, 03:19 PM
YEAH I KNOW not only did he play my fave villain
He directed a kickass movie
ClassicHorror
01-23-2005, 03:24 PM
And one of my favorite actors is in it: Dustin Hoffman!
Michaels Shape
01-23-2005, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by Nemesis412
I agree 100%.
He may have only played him once but he is the original.
The way he was, WAS the reason I love myers so much. The way he moved and everything is freakin sweet.
I love the sequels but they screwed it up everytime.
He also directed 1991's Hook. That movie is freakin sweet. Makes him even cooler.
The sequel Halloween II was great, thats what made Halloween, Halloween today.
ClassicHorror
01-23-2005, 03:49 PM
I hate sequels of films that are made only for money...h20...ressurection.....
Michaels Shape
01-23-2005, 03:55 PM
http://www.trephination.net/gallery/macros/go_you.gif
ClassicHorror
01-23-2005, 03:57 PM
LMAO
Nemesis412
01-23-2005, 04:04 PM
Dustin Hoffman is awesome
haha im telling you loomis if he was in it h20 wouldnt have sucked.....h8 was just bad, good thing i love myers.
h20 wouldnt be bad if the mask didnbt suck
Gojira
01-23-2005, 04:15 PM
LOL LOL LOL LOl Classic when you said I hate sequels if they are made just for money Thats the dummest thing I have seen you type. All movies sequels or otherwise are made to make money. No studio is going to make a movie then let people see it for free.
Let me clue you in on something the reason any movie studio will make a sequel is if the 1st movie is good enough to warrent making a 2nd movie and as long as the movies make money for the studio the studio will keep making those movies because thats what the public likes. If the movies dont make money the studio will stop making those movies. You saying you hate sequels just because for the money they generate is really dumb. Look at Pinewood studios they make James Bond movies and they make them for the money. Its called Show business.
ClassicHorror
01-23-2005, 04:15 PM
The Halloween series is based on the thorn curse, the series will end once Myers kills Jamie Lee Curtis...which will probably never happen...:rolleyes:
Gojira
01-23-2005, 04:45 PM
Here is what I think about any movie character Franchize after a while if you keep making the same type of movie the public will get tired of watching the same thing rehasshed over and over again. That will kill a franchize so the way to keep a franchize going is to reinvent the series and retell the story and make a new series about the character. The only 2 movie studios in the world that have the longest running movie series about a character are Pinewood studios in London who make the 007 movies. The reason Bond is still popular with fans is because over the decades Pinewood has had diffrent actor play the role keeping the series fresh. The other studio that has the longest running movie series is Toho studios they make Godzilla movies and have done so for 50 years. In that 50 years Toho made 3 diffrent Godzilla movie series and retold the story of Godzilla 3 diffrent ways keeping him fresh and still popular. I think this is what will happen with Jason Myers and Freddy if they ar to surive in horror movies.
Nemesis412
01-23-2005, 04:47 PM
He did in h8. She isn't coming back for h9 I'm positive.
Elvis_Christ
01-23-2005, 05:10 PM
The opening to Halloween: Ressurection was great! It had some really weird creepy atomosphere and Mikey finally kills Jamie Lee! Great stuff.......
I think most of the franchises have done themselves to death but I think there is still a bit of life left in Elm St. Wes Craven's New Nightmare and Freddy Vs Jason were very fucking cool strong entries in the series that rivial the original. But at the rate the studios are going they'll probably remake Halloween, Elm St, and F13 and start the whole sequel overkill again for another generation. I'm glad there are so maby sequels its kinda funny to see the ridicoulous ideas people actually make (Jason X had me laughing my ass off!) and I'd rather watch Jason, Freddy, Myers, Leatherface in a 10000000 shitty sequels than sit thru a James Bond or Godzilla movie.
Nemesis412
01-23-2005, 05:21 PM
YESS I agree 1000 percent
Elvis_Christ
01-23-2005, 05:35 PM
Glad someone does!
TheOmen
01-23-2005, 06:24 PM
I think most of the franchises have done themselves to death but I think there is still a bit of life left in Elm St. Wes Craven's New Nightmare and Freddy Vs Jason were very fucking cool strong entries in the series that rivial the original.
They DO NOT rival the original....hogwash!
lee challenger
01-24-2005, 04:46 AM
the exorcist
the evil dead
the thing
friday the thirteenth
from dusk till dawn
Gojira
01-24-2005, 06:28 AM
Well Elvis you dont have to sit and watch a James Bond or Godzilla movie which is fine by me. On the other hand I doubt if Jason Myers or Freddy will ever have a fanbase that even comes close to that of bond and Godzilla. I know you might want to cover your ears or close your eyes rather then know how large the fanbase is for Bond and Godzilla. I can tell you this much for fact there are at least twice as many Godzilla fans than there Starwar fans in the world. If you look at horror movie history you can see right away one of the main reasons Frankenstien Dracula Werewolf Mummy have survived decade after decade is because better remakes were made about them. Anyone who says remakes arnt a good thing and that only the original movie is the best is dead wrong and probley a fool.
Nemesis412
01-24-2005, 12:47 PM
Just everything you seem to say most of the time makes me laugh Gojira.
It has almost been 30 years since Myers has been around.
You say they prolly won't last but if you think about it.
How do you know? You don't not until people will say damn these movies suck I don't like them anymore.
If people want to watch a fake ass lookin monster destroy somethin then let em.
If people want to keep watchina British agent stop nuclear warfare/mad evil villains over and over again let em.
Myers, Freddy, Jason, Leatherface will always be around b/c ppl love them thats the bottom line.
EXTR3MIST
01-24-2005, 01:22 PM
Myers, Freddy, Jason, Leatherface will always be around b/c ppl love them thats the bottom line
You're probably right - Jerry Springer won't seem to piss off, either.
The_Return
01-24-2005, 01:23 PM
Sloooow down there Gojira.
How can you compare Godzilla's fanbase to that of Freddy/Micheal/Jason? Godzilla has been amassing fans since 1954, over 50 years ago, while the earliest of the three slashers, Micheal Myers, first apeared in 1978, 24 years later. No shit Godzilla has a bigger fanbase, he's been around longer!
EXTR3MIST
01-24-2005, 01:26 PM
No shit Godzilla has a bigger fanbase, he's been around longer
Not to mention about a bah-zillion Japanese fans who wouldn't give a weakling in a funny mask the time of day...
Nemesis412
01-24-2005, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by The_Return
Sloooow down there Gojira.
How can you compare Godzilla's fanbase to that of Freddy/Micheal/Jason? Godzilla has been amassing fans since 1954, over 50 years ago, while the earliest of the three slashers, Micheal Myers, first apeared in 1978, 24 years later. No shit Godzilla has a bigger fanbase, he's been around longer!
That sounds pretty true to me.
A weakling in a funny mask.....shit all the "weakling" in the funny mask would have to do is turn around and unzip the rubber suit.
AUSTIN316426808
01-24-2005, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by Gojira
LOL LOL LOL LOl Classic when you said I hate sequels if they are made just for money Thats the dummest thing I have seen you type. All movies sequels or otherwise are made to make money. No studio is going to make a movie then let people see it for free.
Let me clue you in on something the reason any movie studio will make a sequel is if the 1st movie is good enough to warrent making a 2nd movie and as long as the movies make money for the studio the studio will keep making those movies because thats what the public likes. If the movies dont make money the studio will stop making those movies. You saying you hate sequels just because for the money they generate is really dumb. Look at Pinewood studios they make James Bond movies and they make them for the money. Its called Show business.
aren't you just a genius. I had no idea studios make movies so they can make money. I'm sure classic knows that too what He/She is getting at is that it's better when a movie is made because the director/writer/producer wants to make the movie not because he was the guy hand picked by the film company.
AUSTIN316426808
01-24-2005, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by The_Return
Sloooow down there Gojira.
How can you compare Godzilla's fanbase to that of Freddy/Micheal/Jason? Godzilla has been amassing fans since 1954, over 50 years ago, while the earliest of the three slashers, Micheal Myers, first apeared in 1978, 24 years later. No shit Godzilla has a bigger fanbase, he's been around longer!
totally agree.
ClassicHorror
01-24-2005, 01:54 PM
I hate to break this to you Gojira but both Jason and Freddy have a bigger following. There are SO MANY websites on both of these guys, i havn't seen too many Godzilla ones.
AUSTIN316426808
01-24-2005, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by ClassicHorror
I hate to break this to you Gojira but both Jason and Freddy have a bigger following. There are SO MANY websites on both of these guys, i havn't seen too many Godzilla ones.
i don't know what's with this guys Godzilla fetish but it's just not a better directed/writen/produced/acted/set designed/costume designed/scored/anything else you can think of film than Halloween,The Exorcist.Texas Chainsaw Massacre and definately not the Shining or any of the other films that he's been doing nothing but bashing since he got here. I mean seriously it's a guy in a big rubber suit knocking over fake buildings with a buch of Japanese people running around screaming and they just keep going back and forth between him knocking down buildings and people running and screaming and the military trying to think of a way to stop him that's the whole freakin movie.
Nemesis412
01-24-2005, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
i don't know what's with this guys Godzilla fetish but it's just not a better directed/writen/produced/acted/set designed/costume designed/scored/anything else you can think of film than Halloween,The Exorcist.Texas Chainsaw Massacre and definately not the Shining or any of the other films that he's been doing nothing but bashing since he got here. I mean seriously it's a guy in a big rubber suit knocking over fake buildings with a buch of Japanese people running around screaming and they just keep going back and forth between him knocking down buildings and people running and screaming and the military trying to think of a way to stop him that's the whole freakin movie.
yep yep you got that right...
it seems to me this guys isnt even a horror fan.
i mean i know there are fans that have bazaar tastes but this guy is just i dont even know
EXTR3MIST
01-24-2005, 02:17 PM
Whacko?
Gojira
01-24-2005, 08:18 PM
LOL LOL LOL man I have been watching horror movies for 39 years but in the eyes of Nemesis that does not make me a horror fan. LOL LOL LOL Now thats funny. I post how I felt about watching a few horror movies and the onesI dont care for and that makes me a bully lol. Whats funny is that I see some not all board members bash Godzilla without seen the latest Godzilla movies. At least I am honest when I say not all Godzilla movies are good and I bash the ones that do stink. Some of you kids just crack me up. LOL kids these days
TheOmen
01-25-2005, 04:00 AM
Gojira, it appears to me that you think any modern horror films can't hold a candle to your Godzilla films. Frankly, it just sounds like a bitter middle aged man holding onto his favorites from childhood. I should know, I AM a bitter 30 year old, and I think everything made between TCM('74) and A Nightmare On Elm Street('84) is the golden age. So I can relate to you viewing your formative years fondly. But to dismiss Halloween, The Shining and TCM is just laughable, really. I defend these movies to the death since I grew up watching them, but even a younger fan can see that they are great films. I think you really need to expand your horizons just as you wish others would expand theirs to include Godzilla.
Bottom line is, we all think the horror movies that shaped us when we were young are the greatest...maybe we remember them too fondly through nostalgia sometimes, but it doesn't make that opinion wrong. But to ignore movies just based on a bias is wrong ...and that goes for people ripping on Godzilla too.(like me;) )
JokerMONEY3000
01-25-2005, 06:07 AM
1) Halloween 4
2) Dawn of the Dead (original)
3) Night of the Living Dead (remake) yup..what can I say I saw the remake when i was like 7 and I saw the original later, I dunno I just love the remake.
4) Halloween
5) The Butterfly Effect ....I don't consider it Horror, but alot of people do.
I'm more of a sequel and remake type then original. And I'm sure I'll get quoted and some fucking asshole will tell me that I know nothing about Horror movies..
Gojira
01-25-2005, 06:48 AM
Hi Omen I respect your thoughts on what you said and if you read everything I have said about Godzilla you will I dont defend all his movies as I have posted that I really hate all of the 5 1970s Godzilla movies with a passion. It baffles me when people say they like Godzilla vs. Megalon 1973 as much as when people say they like TCM in 1974. I dont like either one of those movies and I think both are big let downs. Here is a list of Godzilla movies I think suck KingKong vs. Godzilla 1962 Godzilla vs. the Seamonster 1966 Son of Godzilla 1967 Godzillas Revenge 1969 Godzilla vs. Hedora 1971 Godzilla vs. Gigan 1972 Godzilla vs. Megalon 1973 Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla 1974 Terror of MechaGodzilla 1975. I think the best quality horror movies were made in the 50s and 1960s and a few in the 1970s. Alot of Dracula fans will admit that Lee is a better Dracula than Bela this does not mean Dracula 1931 was a bad movie it just means Hammer made better Dracula movies. And Bram Stokers Dracula in 1992is down right AWESOME and that is a much much better made movie than Horor of Dracula in 1958. I like all 3 but I think Lee is a better Dracula and Cushing a better Vanhelsing. I am sure those who like Lon Chaney in the Wolfman 1941 will agree that the Howling 1981 is a better movie the Howling is my Fave Werewolf movie. But I still enjoy Chaneys the Wolfman. I am into film advancement and horror movies that are reaaly well made. I was not so suprprised to see on this boars that some fans hat remakes and those same fans love the 1931 Dracula and 1931 Frankenstien movies. I pointed out that those movies are remakes. I have not bashed those remakes at all. I remember when TCM was being remade there was talk that that would suck yet I think remakes are a good idea. What irks me is when people talk bad about a movie they have never seen that just tells me that person is a total moron. What I like are fans who ask about movies they have not seen and where they can see them. Old or new if a horror movie is good and I like it i will say it if I dont and others do I will ask why and if others ask me why I lik dislike it I will tell them my reasons. This does not mean I am bashing the movie I am just saying how I felt about it thats it. There are people back in 1977 who saw Starwars and said they hated it. I asked them why when everyone else seems to like it. They simply said they dont like movies about space. They didnt bash SW they just said how they felt about it and I can respect that. Now imagine a person bashing SW who never saw it. Yep thats a moron. Omen my thinking is that maybesome younger board members are to sensitive.
Gojira
01-25-2005, 07:01 AM
Hi Joker I agree some sequels are pretty good like the Hammer Dracula movies imo the best Dracula series ever made. When it comes to remakes I am all for them. Famous remakes include 1923 Hunchback of Norte Dame Frankenstien 1931 Dracula 1931 The Mummy 1932 Wolfman 1941 another WW movie made after 1913. Hammer remade a few of Universals movies as well. The way I see it some of these movies are better than originals in some cases. I think if a movie company is lucky enough to make a horror character into a franchize where they can makes sequels fans like then more power to them. Any Franchize will only make money as long as the movies are good.
Gojira
01-25-2005, 07:06 AM
Hi Classic go to the Godzilla 1954-2005 section of the board in Classic horror movies I will post what the Godzilla fanbase is but your not going to believe it.
AUSTIN316426808
01-25-2005, 08:48 AM
Originally posted by Gojira
Hi Omen I respect your thoughts on what you said and if you read everything I have said about Godzilla you will I dont defend all his movies as I have posted that I really hate all of the 5 1970s Godzilla movies with a passion. It baffles me when people say they like Godzilla vs. Megalon 1973 as much as when people say they like TCM in 1974. I dont like either one of those movies and I think both are big let downs. Here is a list of Godzilla movies I think suck KingKong vs. Godzilla 1962 Godzilla vs. the Seamonster 1966 Son of Godzilla 1967 Godzillas Revenge 1969 Godzilla vs. Hedora 1971 Godzilla vs. Gigan 1972 Godzilla vs. Megalon 1973 Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla 1974 Terror of MechaGodzilla 1975. I think the best quality horror movies were made in the 50s and 1960s and a few in the 1970s. Alot of Dracula fans will admit that Lee is a better Dracula than Bela this does not mean Dracula 1931 was a bad movie it just means Hammer made better Dracula movies. And Bram Stokers Dracula in 1992is down right AWESOME and that is a much much better made movie than Horor of Dracula in 1958. I like all 3 but I think Lee is a better Dracula and Cushing a better Vanhelsing. I am sure those who like Lon Chaney in the Wolfman 1941 will agree that the Howling 1981 is a better movie the Howling is my Fave Werewolf movie. But I still enjoy Chaneys the Wolfman. I am into film advancement and horror movies that are reaaly well made. I was not so suprprised to see on this boars that some fans hat remakes and those same fans love the 1931 Dracula and 1931 Frankenstien movies. I pointed out that those movies are remakes. I have not bashed those remakes at all. I remember when TCM was being remade there was talk that that would suck yet I think remakes are a good idea. What irks me is when people talk bad about a movie they have never seen that just tells me that person is a total moron. What I like are fans who ask about movies they have not seen and where they can see them. Old or new if a horror movie is good and I like it i will say it if I dont and others do I will ask why and if others ask me why I lik dislike it I will tell them my reasons. This does not mean I am bashing the movie I am just saying how I felt about it thats it. There are people back in 1977 who saw Starwars and said they hated it. I asked them why when everyone else seems to like it. They simply said they dont like movies about space. They didnt bash SW they just said how they felt about it and I can respect that. Now imagine a person bashing SW who never saw it. Yep thats a moron. Omen my thinking is that maybesome younger board members are to sensitive.
you keep saying that these old Dracula,Frankenstein wolfman ect. films are remakes but they aren't. Everytime a Dracula movie or Werewolf movie is made they're for the most part all different when we're talking about remakes we don't mean the ones where it has the same name and that's basicly it, we mean the remakes that are being done by people who aren't like the guys in the 70's and 80's those guys like Wes Craven,Sam Raimi,Bruce Cambell,John Carpenter ect. ect. they were broke and just wanted to make movies it wasn't all about the money it was about doing what they liked to do and doing it well. These days the people who get the assignment to remake those classic films most of the time don't even have history in horror for example i could be off a little but i can't recall his name at the moment but the guy who did the texas chainsaw remake hadn't even directed anything but music videos before he was given the job. The point is the guys back in the 70's and 80's had a passion to make movies and make them well and that's what they did,the people that get the job to remake them don't want to do anything but make money.
Gojira
01-25-2005, 10:11 AM
Well Austin growing up and reading as a guy who was 12 12 14 years old Famous Monsters Magazine and the Monster Times I can tell you this back in the late 60s early to mid 70s I would see what guys like Steve Speilberg George Lucas Steveen King Rick Baker Joe Dante would write in and ask how to make a movie certain way like applying make up a certain way or how to make special effects etc. And they wanted to learn how to become better film makers and make money. Some of these guys succeeded. Some started out as independent film makers that worked real hard and who got a chance at making a studio movie. Then they made some good movies. The bottom line is no film maker will make a movie out of his own pocket and let people see it for free. They want to make a profit so they can make a 2nd and 3rd movie. Now believe me back in 1992 there was an awesome remake of Bram Stokers novel Dracula and in 1958 Hammer studios bought the rights of Dracula and a few other of Universals monster to remake those movies. And back in 1931 Universal bought the rights of Dracula to remake the movie from Florence Stoker. The 2 Dracula movies that were made before in Russia 1920 and Hungry 1921 were made without the permission of Florence and Florence stopped a 3rd Dracula movie from being made without her permission in 1922 that movie became Nosferatu instead. And I am sure Universal obtained the rights to remake Frankenstien in 1931 after all Frankenstien had been made twice before in 1910 & 1915. Werewolf movies were not really remakes someone would make a Werewolf movie then someone else made their own and so on all diffrent storys about Werewolfs. The same might be said for Mummy movies except when Hammer remade the old Universal movies. Mary Shelleys Frankenstien movie in 1994 is out standing and of course its a remake of Shelleys famous novel imo its better than Universals 1931 movie. I think Wes Cravens movie The Hills have Eyes back in 1977 is pretty good. If you ask guys like Rick Baker where he learned how to do what he does he will tell you from a guy in NY who use to work on the old horror movies. Phil Tippot of course learned spfx and stop motion by studdying Ray Harryhausen Ray learned from willis O brian about stopmotion effects and the guy who invented stopmotion was Georges Melies. If you look at how each person devolops the art a little better than the person who invented itthen thats a good thing because now better movies can be made. I think the guy who directed TCM in 1974 was Tobe Hooper he also directed the movie Polterguist. Believe me when Tobe was offerd to direct that movie Polterguist he didnt say no and he made a damn good movie. It made lots of money enough to warrent making a sequel. I dont see fans complaining about how Tobe made it for the money do you?
Hey Jokermoney... Glad to see Im not the only one who really really liked The Butterfly Effect... I loved the plot, creepy scenes and even thought the acting was good. I didnt expect much because it was Ashton Kutcher in it but it was one of the best movies I've seen in a couple years. I've been telling a lot of people to watch this movie.
urgeok
01-25-2005, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by Gojira
Well Austin growing up and reading as a guy who was 12 12 14 years old Famous Monsters Magazine and the Monster Times I can tell you this back in the late 60s early to mid 70s I would see what guys like Steve Speilberg George Lucas Steveen King Rick Baker Joe Dante would write in and ask how to make a movie certain way like applying make up a certain way or how to make special effects etc. And they wanted to learn how to become better film makers and make money. Some of these guys succeeded. Some started out as independent film makers that worked real hard and who got a chance at making a studio movie. Then they made some good movies. The bottom line is no film maker will make a movie out of his own pocket and let people see it for free. They want to make a profit so they can make a 2nd and 3rd movie. Now believe me back in 1992 there was an awesome remake of Bram Stokers novel Dracula and in 1958 Hammer studios bought the rights of Dracula and a few other of Universals monster to remake those movies. And back in 1931 Universal bought the rights of Dracula to remake the movie from Florence Stoker. The 2 Dracula movies that were made before in Russia 1920 and Hungry 1921 were made without the permission of Florence and Florence stopped a 3rd Dracula movie from being made without her permission in 1922 that movie became Nosferatu instead. And I am sure Universal obtained the rights to remake Frankenstien in 1931 after all Frankenstien had been made twice before in 1910 & 1915. Werewolf movies were not really remakes someone would make a Werewolf movie then someone else made their own and so on all diffrent storys about Werewolfs. The same might be said for Mummy movies except when Hammer remade the old Universal movies. Mary Shelleys Frankenstien movie in 1994 is out standing and of course its a remake of Shelleys famous novel imo its better than Universals 1931 movie. I think Wes Cravens movie The Hills have Eyes back in 1977 is pretty good. If you ask guys like Rick Baker where he learned how to do what he does he will tell you from a guy in NY who use to work on the old horror movies. Phil Tippot of course learned spfx and stop motion by studdying Ray Harryhausen Ray learned from willis O brian about stopmotion effects and the guy who invented stopmotion was Georges Melies. If you look at how each person devolops the art a little better than the person who invented itthen thats a good thing because now better movies can be made. I think the guy who directed TCM in 1974 was Tobe Hooper he also directed the movie Polterguist. Believe me when Tobe was offerd to direct that movie Polterguist he didnt say no and he made a damn good movie. It made lots of money enough to warrent making a sequel. I dont see fans complaining about how Tobe made it for the money do you?
no offence .. but if you could start using paragraphs or something on a post this long ... i'd start reading them ..
Gojira
01-25-2005, 10:49 AM
Hi Urgeok point taken lol sometimes I just keep typing and oh well
Anyway I will try and make the effort and glad you told me thanks.
AUSTIN316426808
01-25-2005, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by Gojira
Well Austin growing up and reading as a guy who was 12 12 14 years old Famous Monsters Magazine and the Monster Times I can tell you this back in the late 60s early to mid 70s I would see what guys like Steve Speilberg George Lucas Steveen King Rick Baker Joe Dante would write in and ask how to make a movie certain way like applying make up a certain way or how to make special effects etc. And they wanted to learn how to become better film makers and make money. Some of these guys succeeded. Some started out as independent film makers that worked real hard and who got a chance at making a studio movie. Then they made some good movies. The bottom line is no film maker will make a movie out of his own pocket and let people see it for free. They want to make a profit so they can make a 2nd and 3rd movie. Now believe me back in 1992 there was an awesome remake of Bram Stokers novel Dracula and in 1958 Hammer studios bought the rights of Dracula and a few other of Universals monster to remake those movies. And back in 1931 Universal bought the rights of Dracula to remake the movie from Florence Stoker. The 2 Dracula movies that were made before in Russia 1920 and Hungry 1921 were made without the permission of Florence and Florence stopped a 3rd Dracula movie from being made without her permission in 1922 that movie became Nosferatu instead. And I am sure Universal obtained the rights to remake Frankenstien in 1931 after all Frankenstien had been made twice before in 1910 & 1915. Werewolf movies were not really remakes someone would make a Werewolf movie then someone else made their own and so on all diffrent storys about Werewolfs. The same might be said for Mummy movies except when Hammer remade the old Universal movies. Mary Shelleys Frankenstien movie in 1994 is out standing and of course its a remake of Shelleys famous novel imo its better than Universals 1931 movie. I think Wes Cravens movie The Hills have Eyes back in 1977 is pretty good. If you ask guys like Rick Baker where he learned how to do what he does he will tell you from a guy in NY who use to work on the old horror movies. Phil Tippot of course learned spfx and stop motion by studdying Ray Harryhausen Ray learned from willis O brian about stopmotion effects and the guy who invented stopmotion was Georges Melies. If you look at how each person devolops the art a little better than the person who invented itthen thats a good thing because now better movies can be made. I think the guy who directed TCM in 1974 was Tobe Hooper he also directed the movie Polterguist. Believe me when Tobe was offerd to direct that movie Polterguist he didnt say no and he made a damn good movie. It made lots of money enough to warrent making a sequel. I dont see fans complaining about how Tobe made it for the money do you?
i know nobody is going to make a movie then let people see it for free,i know that the point of making independent films are to eventually make it to hollywood all i'm saying is when people are doing independent films trying to make it big they try and work harder than they do after they make it. My theory is that they get to comfortable and maybe a little cocky and think that they can make anything and people will like it for example one of the guys you mentioned Wes Craven, The Hills Have Eyes good film made by a hard working director/writer, Last House on the Left great film made by the same hard working director/writer then after awhile came Nightmare on Elm Street another great film by the same hard working director/writer who had finally made it big. Ever since the original Nightmare Wes Craven has been making either ok or just crappy films.
Get my point.
AUSTIN316426808
01-25-2005, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by urgeok
no offence .. but if you could start using paragraphs or something on a post this long ... i'd start reading them ..
i guess this applies to me as well. I'll do that.
AUSTIN316426808
01-25-2005, 11:08 AM
Originally posted by Gojira
Well Austin growing up and reading as a guy who was 12 12 14 years old Famous Monsters Magazine and the Monster Times I can tell you this back in the late 60s early to mid 70s I would see what guys like Steve Speilberg George Lucas Steveen King Rick Baker Joe Dante would write in and ask how to make a movie certain way like applying make up a certain way or how to make special effects etc. And they wanted to learn how to become better film makers and make money. Some of these guys succeeded. Some started out as independent film makers that worked real hard and who got a chance at making a studio movie. Then they made some good movies. The bottom line is no film maker will make a movie out of his own pocket and let people see it for free. They want to make a profit so they can make a 2nd and 3rd movie. Now believe me back in 1992 there was an awesome remake of Bram Stokers novel Dracula and in 1958 Hammer studios bought the rights of Dracula and a few other of Universals monster to remake those movies. And back in 1931 Universal bought the rights of Dracula to remake the movie from Florence Stoker. The 2 Dracula movies that were made before in Russia 1920 and Hungry 1921 were made without the permission of Florence and Florence stopped a 3rd Dracula movie from being made without her permission in 1922 that movie became Nosferatu instead. And I am sure Universal obtained the rights to remake Frankenstien in 1931 after all Frankenstien had been made twice before in 1910 & 1915. Werewolf movies were not really remakes someone would make a Werewolf movie then someone else made their own and so on all diffrent storys about Werewolfs. The same might be said for Mummy movies except when Hammer remade the old Universal movies. Mary Shelleys Frankenstien movie in 1994 is out standing and of course its a remake of Shelleys famous novel imo its better than Universals 1931 movie. I think Wes Cravens movie The Hills have Eyes back in 1977 is pretty good. If you ask guys like Rick Baker where he learned how to do what he does he will tell you from a guy in NY who use to work on the old horror movies. Phil Tippot of course learned spfx and stop motion by studdying Ray Harryhausen Ray learned from willis O brian about stopmotion effects and the guy who invented stopmotion was Georges Melies. If you look at how each person devolops the art a little better than the person who invented itthen thats a good thing because now better movies can be made. I think the guy who directed TCM in 1974 was Tobe Hooper he also directed the movie Polterguist. Believe me when Tobe was offerd to direct that movie Polterguist he didnt say no and he made a damn good movie. It made lots of money enough to warrent making a sequel. I dont see fans complaining about how Tobe made it for the money do you?
I just have one question.
How do you know all this shit? lol
The_Return
01-25-2005, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Ever since the original Nightmare Wes Craven has been making either ok or just crappy films.
Get my point.
Case in Point : Chiller:mad:
urgeok
01-25-2005, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by The_Return
Case in Point : Chiller:mad:
he did a couple of made for TV things .. wasnt chiller made for TV ?
EXTR3MIST
01-25-2005, 12:41 PM
It was - made the same year as his Twilight Zone episodes.
urgeok
01-25-2005, 12:49 PM
there was another one .. it shared the same name as another film ..
Invitation to hell ...
I have the damn thing on VHS somewhere ... it reminded me of the stepford wives ... only it was like the stepford town
EXTR3MIST
01-25-2005, 12:56 PM
And Night Visions, Casebusters and Strangers in Our House... hey, they're all better than Scream and New Shightmare!
Gojira
01-25-2005, 01:30 PM
LOL ok Austin if you promess not to tell I will tell you how as you put it Know all this shit. PSS I have been watching horror movies for 39 years. But its not like I am obsessed with horror movies I can quit anytime.
Cheetara101
01-25-2005, 01:35 PM
haaaaaaaaaa..... Obsession is the name of the game... I'm hooked. There's no denying it.
ClassicHorror
01-25-2005, 01:55 PM
You don't have to watch 39 years of movies to know that, you study and it comes to you.
Also....Horror of Dracula is nothing like the orginal Dracula.....I wouldn't call it a remake (only because you want to do a movie based on a book that doesn't mean its a remake. Also buying the rights from the original doesn't make it a remake at all, it makes it an ADAPTION. Hammer wanted to homage all those older horror films by making their own adaptions of them.
Lets say I wanted to make my own Dracula film, I'd have to buy the rights first, but hell just because I use the title "Dracula" and base it on the same story, it does not make it a remake....A film like TCM which is based on a SCREENPLAY (hecne the word "screen") is a remake. A remake is looking at a film and saying "hey why don't we make that again, I think we could do a better job". An adpation is "hey this was a good book lets make a movie out of it....".
Universal was quick to sue anyone who made their Frankenstein monster look like theirs, so Hammer studios made theirs a little different with Curse of Frankenstein. They put Lee as the roll and they made him look more like a zombie.
Gojira
01-25-2005, 02:08 PM
Hi Classic I heard that once about Universal and they not wanting anyone to try and copy their Frankenstien appearence wise.
I think Christopher Lee was in Curse of Frankenstien 1957 Hammer. There was a rumor many fans were upset about how Lee looked and fans expecting to see a Boris Karloff style Frankenstien monster. If I could pick which characters from all the Frankenstien movies made I would like Karloff as the monster and Peter Cushing as Victor Frankenstien.
AUSTIN316426808
01-25-2005, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by Gojira
the monster Victor Frankenstien.
don't you hate when people call the monster frankenstien.
EXTR3MIST
01-25-2005, 02:16 PM
Not as much as when they call the killer in Friday the 13th, "Jason".
ClassicHorror
01-25-2005, 02:20 PM
the monster in Frankenstein is known as THE CREATURE, bugs me too.
Gojira
01-25-2005, 03:03 PM
Dont you just hate it when people call Captian Kangaroo Dr. Phibes or Mister Greenjeans Farmer Vincent.
JC'STheThing
01-28-2005, 03:55 PM
1. The Thing
2. The Omen
3. The Exorcist
4. The Shining
5. Alien
Honorable Mentions: Dead Trilogy, Curse of the Demon (57'), Alien, Scanners, The Wolfman, Zombie, Halloween 1 and 2.
AUSTIN316426808
01-28-2005, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by JC'STheThing
1. The Thing
2. The Omen
3. The Exorcist
4. The Shining
5. Alien
Honorable Mentions: Alien
Alien is on your list
Gojira
01-28-2005, 07:25 PM
I prefer the original The Thing movie over Carpenters remake. Both are good but the original just has that certain feel.
Nemesis412
01-29-2005, 08:04 AM
No I just think your a crackhead.
The original isn't even close to carpenter's.
Gojira
01-29-2005, 11:29 AM
LOL Nemesis thats my point I know the original is not like John Carpenters in 1982. The original has that nostalgic feel to it and its much more convincing and it projects howthe country was feeling at that time about UFOs.
ClassicHorror
01-29-2005, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by Gojira
I prefer the original The Thing movie over Carpenters remake. Both are good but the original just has that certain feel.
I don't like to think of these two films as remakes because ones called The Thing From Another World, when JC's version is plainly The Thing.
TheOmen
01-30-2005, 08:33 PM
LOL Nemesis thats my point I know the original is not like John Carpenters in 1982. The original has that nostalgic feel to it and its much more convincing and it projects howthe country was feeling at that time about UFOs.
Carpenter's version stays much closer to the source material than the 'original'. They're not even the same movie, basically.
Gojira
01-31-2005, 04:37 AM
Omen evryone knows they are not the same movie. But no doubt both are good movies. I prefer the one that was made with James Arnes. The thing I have noticed is that younger fans like Carpenters version a bit more while older fans will prefer the original. I can tell you this I enjoyed watching the Thing alot more when it was B&W than when Ted Turner colorized it.
Classic I dont think you really know the diffrence between a remake and an adption and a sequel here are the diffrences. A remake is movie that is based on a movie that was made by someone else using the same characters same story etc. An adption is a movie about a character lets say for example a Werewolf. Ok say the 1st Werewolf movie which was made in 1913 and then lets say someone else wants to make a movie about a Werewolf. That person will make their own story/movie about a Werewolf a diffrent movie diffrent people & characters. Thats an adption. A sequel of course is a follow up movie to an original like the Hammer Dracula movies with Christopher Lee.
The_Return
01-31-2005, 05:27 AM
I really want to see the original Thing [from Another World], Carpenter's was amazing, completly amazing.
Gojira
01-31-2005, 05:43 AM
Hi Amazing I remember when I first saw The Thing from another World or as fans would call it the Thing. Anyway all I ever heard was how good it the movie really was and then I saw it myself. It was ok not bad at all. The movie imo captures what the country was feeling back then. This movie really makes you wonder what would we do if an alien spacecraft did crash on Earth. I saw it years later in a colorized version the colorized version was just as good but it lacked the original feel a bit kind of how KingKong a masterpiece is awesome in B&W but that lacks when seen in color. Imo some movies just work better in B&W. If you get the chance check out the Thing. For a scifi movie it is still ranks as one of the best ever made.
TheOmen
01-31-2005, 08:48 AM
I have seen both the B&W Hawks version, and the '82 version multiple times. And while I liked the first, it doesn't hold up today. You really think an 18 year old kid is going to relate to the analogies being drawn in the 'original?' The dialogue is old fashioned, and so is the alien. It is a good movie, but the Carpenter version is more effective as a thriller for me.
By the way, I'm not some punk kid, I'm old old old! I tells ya!
Gojira
01-31-2005, 09:40 AM
Hi Omen I know what your saying about kids today not really caring for older movies because they dont have all the cool modern specail effects like todays movies. Thats really a shame because if the Thing was not such a good movie it would have never been remade in 1982 by John carpenter. Growning up I was not your regular teen I wanted to know who made the older horror movies and why.
I dont see many people like myself today who can appreciate the older and newer horror & scifi movies alike. A good example of movies that may have influenced other movies to be made is probley the 1958 scif movie titled It Terror from beyond space United Artists probley influenced the 1979 movie Alien to be made. Both movies seem to have the same basic plot. But how many young fans will take that in mind when watching the 1958 movie? Today we have director Peter Jackson remaking the 1933 classic KingKong and many are excited about this upcoming movie but how many like the original Kong movie in B&W? Btw Omen I am a bit older myself and I am in my mid 40s. At my age I think I was very lucky to have seen many of the classic movies fans talk about in forums like this. I kind of consider movies made in the 1980s to present recent lol.
Originally posted by TheOmen
I have seen both the B&W Hawks version, and the '82 version multiple times. And while I liked the first, it doesn't hold up today. You really think an 18 year old kid is going to relate to the analogies being drawn in the 'original?' The dialogue is old fashioned, and so is the alien. It is a good movie, but the Carpenter version is more effective as a thriller for me.
By the way, I'm not some punk kid, I'm old old old! I tells ya!
While I'm not old, old, old...I am old, old, and I still like all eras of horror films. The old ones take all of us back to Horrors' roots (ie., how far would horror have gone if it wasn't for old movies like Lon Chaney's Phantom of the Opera, Nosferatu, The Wolfman, The Day the Eart Stood Still etc...) of course the dialogue is old fashioned...but it wasn't when the movie was made. I agree, that Carpenters Version is better (I have three copies of it) but you still gotta love the old style B&W's where they don't cuss and blood doesn't cover the set. I throughly enjoy watching the old fashioned ones as a matter of fact, I just watched The Wolfman a couple of days ago. I might have backed it up with Dawn of the Dead to get my daily quota of necessary gore, but I still like the Classics.
Demonic Faces
01-31-2005, 06:50 PM
1. Halloween
2. Blair witch project
3. Hellraiser
4. Night of the living dead(origanal)
5. Texas Chainsaw Massacre
Nemesis412
02-02-2005, 02:11 PM
I really love classics. I mean I love horror now but Classics just have that magic to them.
Gojira
02-02-2005, 03:08 PM
Nemesis ever wonder why the classics have that magic?
AUSTIN316426808
02-03-2005, 03:56 AM
Originally posted by Gojira
Nemesis ever wonder why the classics have that magic?
Don't get him started. LOL
Gojira
02-03-2005, 05:35 AM
LOL Austin I just wonderd if Nemesis ever thought why that was. It would be easy for me to say why that is but I want to see who here also knows but Nemesis did ask a good question indeed.
EXTR3MIST
02-03-2005, 01:30 PM
Oh really?
Do tell.
Hold on, didn't you say you were actually a magician or somesuch as well as a big lizard expert?
You'll get booted out of the magic circle!
Gojira
02-03-2005, 08:49 PM
Intersting I dont ever recal me saying I was a big Lizard Expert But I have said I am an expert in Giant Japanese monster movies. Heck probley all Giant monster movies. Well Nemesis to answer your question as to why it is that the older horror movies seem to have that certain magic as you put it. Is because film makers of the day were concentrating more on a good story and less on special effects. Movie studios hired good actors back then and not tv sitcom stars for their movies. Just on this board alone one of the fave horror movies of the 70s is the Exorcist and thats because the cast of the Exorcist were all good actors and the movie was very well made. The same can be said with the Omen movies good cast good directors good script. I see Hammers Dracula movies and with little specail effects they knew how to make good Dracula movies. In the late 70s and early 80s Jason and Myers and Freddy movies were just movies with kid actors many from tv sitcom movies. These movies had beter specail effects but not better acting. In other words they lacked that magic that Nemesis talks about. Scream I know what you did last summer basicly the same teen flicks. In film movies I noticed that in the 80s horror movie quality movies were declining but scifi movies were on the uprise seen that alot of better scifi movies were now being made. Its a real treat when a movie like Bram Stokers Dracula in 1992 was made a very well made Dracula movie with top notch actors great script etc. That movie had the magic. The reason less of those type of horror movies are made here in the USA is because movie studios dont want to spend the money on horror movies. This is very sad indeed if you remember it was horror movies that saved Universal from going bankrupt decades ago. The problemin horror today is that the movies are not rated R and because they arnt the studios are forced to make kiddiehorror movies like Chucky and thats sad. How I miss the old days and Drive ins. And lets not forget it was a former Magican that made the very 1st horror and scifi movies his name was Georges Melies and he was one of the founding fathers of movie making as we know it today.
AUSTIN316426808
02-03-2005, 11:10 PM
Originally posted by Gojira
Intersting I dont ever recal me saying I was a big Lizard Expert But I have said I am an expert in Giant Japanese monster movies. Heck probley all Giant monster movies. Well Nemesis to answer your question as to why it is that the older horror movies seem to have that certain magic as you put it. Is because film makers of the day were concentrating more on a good story and less on special effects. Movie studios hired good actors back then and not tv sitcom stars for their movies. Just on this board alone one of the fave horror movies of the 70s is the Exorcist and thats because the cast of the Exorcist were all good actors and the movie was very well made. The same can be said with the Omen movies good cast good directors good script. I see Hammers Dracula movies and with little specail effects they knew how to make good Dracula movies. In the late 70s and early 80s Jason and Myers and Freddy movies were just movies with kid actors many from tv sitcom movies. These movies had beter specail effects but not better acting. In other words they lacked that magic that Nemesis talks about. Scream I know what you did last summer basicly the same teen flicks. In film movies I noticed that in the 80s horror movie quality movies were declining but scifi movies were on the uprise seen that alot of better scifi movies were now being made. Its a real treat when a movie like Bram Stokers Dracula in 1992 was made a very well made Dracula movie with top notch actors great script etc. That movie had the magic. The reason less of those type of horror movies are made here in the USA is because movie studios dont want to spend the money on horror movies. This is very sad indeed if you remember it was horror movies that saved Universal from going bankrupt decades ago. The problemin horror today is that the movies are not rated R and because they arnt the studios are forced to make kiddiehorror movies like Chucky and thats sad. How I miss the old days and Drive ins. And lets not forget it was a former Magican that made the very 1st horror and scifi movies his name was Georges Melies and he was one of the founding fathers of movie making as we know it today.
I know you don't care for Halloween much but could you please reframe from putting it in the same category with I Know What You Did Last Summer and Scream.
slasherman
02-04-2005, 02:13 AM
Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
I know you don't care for Halloween much but could you please reframe from putting it in the same category with I Know What You Did Last Summer and Scream.
Why not ? They are all slashers..:)
Gojira
02-04-2005, 06:17 AM
Austin who says I dont like Halloween? I saw it back in 1978 and I enjoyed it. I also enjoyed the 1st 2 Jason movies. It was after that they just started to rehash the same stuff over and over again. Jason movies imo became more of movies where goodlooking babes could be seen not that thats bad if you like hot chicks but the movies were just repeating themselves. That gets boring after a while and the acting was not very good One of the Halloween movies I liked alot was Season of the Witch Halloween 3. I liked it because it was diffrent and for a while I thought Halloween was going to be a series of diffrent characters 1st Myers in 2 movies then another character in 2 more movies etc. imo that would have been a great idea. But after 1978 there was a decline in good horror movies thats for sure I was greatful when movies like the Howling were made. If there is one thing I hate it would be campy movies yuk.
AUSTIN316426808
02-04-2005, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by slasherman
Why not ? They are all slashers..:)
I know they're all slashers but I thought he was putting them in the same category of quality and that's just wrong.
AUSTIN316426808
02-04-2005, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by Gojira
Austin who says I dont like Halloween? I saw it back in 1978 and I enjoyed it. I also enjoyed the 1st 2 Jason movies. It was after that they just started to rehash the same stuff over and over again. Jason movies imo became more of movies where goodlooking babes could be seen not that thats bad if you like hot chicks but the movies were just repeating themselves. That gets boring after a while and the acting was not very good One of the Halloween movies I liked alot was Season of the Witch Halloween 3. I liked it because it was diffrent and for a while I thought Halloween was going to be a series of diffrent characters 1st Myers in 2 movies then another character in 2 more movies etc. imo that would have been a great idea. But after 1978 there was a decline in good horror movies thats for sure I was greatful when movies like the Howling were made. If there is one thing I hate it would be campy movies yuk.
The idea was to have Halloween to be a series of different movies but after the third people were mad because they ecspected Myers and he obviously wasn't in the film so they desided to go back to Myers.
Gojira
02-04-2005, 03:13 PM
If you just want to talk Slasher movies in that case alot of them today are just boring. I think I out grew Slasher type movies when I was maybe 20.
slasherman
02-05-2005, 03:11 AM
Originally posted by Gojira
I think I out grew Slasher type movies when I was maybe 20.
I guess I never will ;)
DRAGGOON
02-09-2005, 12:53 PM
5. LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT
4. NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET
3. SUSPIRIA
2. THE HILLS HAVE EYES
1. TEXAS CHAIN SAW MASSACRE
:D
Gojira
02-09-2005, 09:36 PM
I have to admit I liked Wes Cravens 1977 movie The Hills Have Eyes.
AUSTIN316426808
02-09-2005, 10:41 PM
Originally posted by Gojira
I have to admit I liked Wes Cravens 1977 movie The Hills Have Eyes.
you liked something made after the year 1900 I'm shocked:D
Gojira
02-11-2005, 11:12 AM
LOL Austin you know about The Hills have Eyes one of Wes Cravens best I am shocked. Austin keep in mind I have been a horror movie fan for almost 40 years.
AUSTIN316426808
02-11-2005, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by Gojira
LOL Austin you know about The Hills have Eyes one of Wes Cravens best I am shocked. Austin keep in mind I have been a horror movie fan for almost 40 years.
I've been one for 15 years and I've seen alot myself.
TheOmen
02-11-2005, 08:59 PM
Well Nemesis to answer your question as to why it is that the older horror movies seem to have that certain magic as you put it. Is because film makers of the day were concentrating more on a good story and less on special effects. Movie studios hired good actors back then and not tv sitcom stars for their movies. Just on this board alone one of the fave horror movies of the 70s is the Exorcist and thats because the cast of the Exorcist were all good actors and the movie was very well made. The same can be said with the Omen movies good cast good directors good script. I see Hammers Dracula movies and with little specail effects they knew how to make good Dracula movies. In the late 70s and early 80s Jason and Myers and Freddy movies were just movies with kid actors many from tv sitcom movies. These movies had beter specail effects but not better acting. In other words they lacked that magic that Nemesis talks about. Scream I know what you did last summer basicly the same teen flicks. In film movies I noticed that in the 80s horror movie quality movies were declining but scifi movies were on the uprise seen that alot of better scifi movies were now being made. Its a real treat when a movie like Bram Stokers Dracula in 1992 was made a very well made Dracula movie with top notch actors great script etc. That movie had the magic
Oh for Christ sake. First things first-the acting was not always top notch in these classics you speak of. The reason 'classics' seem better than most everything else is called NOSTALGIA. Had you remade Dracula identically now, just as it was in '31, it would be downright awful. The real point here is most people overlook certain shortcomings in movies if they're old that they would never forgive for a modern movie. A Nightmare On Elm Street was a great horror flick. It wasn't a overtly gorey movie, and the story was fairly original. Should I believe that the Wolfman from the 30's is better? Because it is not. I've watched them all, and own them on DVD. Of course some slashers arent as good, but then, why are you, GOJIRA, only focusing on slashers? The fact remains that The Shining, Halloween, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, A Nightmare On Elm Street, Bay Of Blood, Suspiria, and Deep Red are all just as good , or better than these classics you speak of. This magic is strictly nostalgia, like when playing an Atari 2600 game or NES game. They WERE great, and that's what you're memory brings back.
By the way, Scream is far superior to IKWYDLS.
AUSTIN316426808
02-12-2005, 02:18 AM
Originally posted by TheOmen
Oh for Christ sake. First things first-the acting was not always top notch in these classics you speak of. The reason 'classics' seem better than most everything else is called NOSTALGIA. Had you remade Dracula identically now, just as it was in '31, it would be downright awful. The real point here is most people overlook certain shortcomings in movies if they're old that they would never forgive for a modern movie. A Nightmare On Elm Street was a great horror flick. It wasn't a overtly gorey movie, and the story was fairly original. Should I believe that the Wolfman from the 30's is better? Because it is not. I've watched them all, and own them on DVD. Of course some slashers arent as good, but then, why are you, GOJIRA, only focusing on slashers? The fact remains that The Shining, Halloween, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, A Nightmare On Elm Street, Bay Of Blood, Suspiria, and Deep Red are all just as good , or better than these classics you speak of. This magic is strictly nostalgia, like when playing an Atari 2600 game or NES game. They WERE great, and that's what you're memory brings back.
By the way, Scream is far superior to IKWYDLS.
I'm glad someone said this, I've wanted to since the first time gojira implied that all these pre World War 2 films are better than Halloween,Nightmare on Elm Street ect. because of their ''Magic''
Gojira
02-13-2005, 06:38 AM
Omen do you know why those older horror movies are also nostalgic? If you dont let me tell you its because those older movies had better actors. I dare you to see what ant young tv sitcom actor who was in Scream or some other teen flick thinks of Peter Cushing or Christopher Lee when compared to themself as far as acting goes. Better actors will always make for a better movie no matter what genre. In recent years studios have hired tv sitcom actors to be in their movies to lure kids to watch their movies. Ahh how I miss the old days when studios hired really good actors for a movie. Thats why older movies have that Magic.
X¤MurderDoll¤X
02-13-2005, 06:54 AM
Originally posted by Gojira
Omen do you know why those older horror movies are also nostalgic? If you dont let me tell you its because those older movies had better actors.
Don't pass opinion off as fact. There are some great actors in modern horror movies.
AUSTIN316426808
02-13-2005, 06:58 AM
Originally posted by Gojira
Omen do you know why those older horror movies are also nostalgic? If you dont let me tell you its because those older movies had better actors. I dare you to see what ant young tv sitcom actor who was in Scream or some other teen flick thinks of Peter Cushing or Christopher Lee when compared to themself as far as acting goes. Better actors will always make for a better movie no matter what genre. In recent years studios have hired tv sitcom actors to be in their movies to lure kids to watch their movies. Ahh how I miss the old days when studios hired really good actors for a movie. Thats why older movies have that Magic.
Halloween- Jamie Lee Curtis, good actress
Nightmare on Elm Street- Robert Englund, great actor/ Johnny Depp,damn good actor.
Evil Dead- Bruce Campbell, good actor
I could go on but you get the picture.
and I don't know what you have against these actors, everybody has to start somewhere who cares if they were in sitcoms. Very few great actors just got a Gone with the Wind or Godfather type roll thrown at them when they started out and just blew up. The guy who's going to be playing Superman next year in Superman Returns is a sitcom actor but who cares, he might turn out to be the next Gene Hackman or Clint Eastwood for all we know. Stop trying to find a way to convince everybody that these classics you rant about are better than modern films, the bottom line is some of them are and some of them aren't and it's not because of their ''magic'' it's because it's just a better film.
DRAGGOON
02-13-2005, 01:27 PM
JAMIE LEE CURTIS IS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL QUEENS OF SCREAMS :D