Suicide

[evil_blonde]

Apparently it's a good idea to spread this around :confused:

SUICIDE

Throughout the world, about 2000 people kill themselves each day. That's about 80 per hour, three quarters of a million a year. In the U.S., there are more than 80 deaths from suicide every day, 30,000 every year. This is the equivalent of a fully loaded jumbo jet crash every fifth day. From another perspective, you are more likely to kill yourself than be killed by someone else.

"...without knowledge of proper dosages and methods, suicide attempts are often bungled, leaving the victim worse off than before. Many intended suicides by gunshot leave the person alive but brain-damaged; drug overdoses that are not fatal may have the same effect. One eighty-three-year-old woman obtained an insufficient number of pills and lost consciousness but did not die; her daughter ended up smothering her with a plastic bag."

The number of suicide attempts is also subject to dispute. Based on a range of studies, there are probably between 10-20 attempts for every suicide, or roughly 300,000 to 600,000 attempts per year in the U.S. Yet more than half of suiciders kill themselves on their first try.

The overall 4:1 male-to-female suicide ratio in the U.S. is reversed for suicide attempts. Between 70% and 90% (studies differ) of suicide attempts are by medicine/drug overdoses, roughly 15% by wrist cuts.

If you play Russian roulette with a six-shooter, your odds of dying are one in six; if you climb Mt. Everest they're also about one in six. The former is a generally-condemned form of suicide; what, then, is the latter?

Teenagers attempt suicide roughly 10 times more frequently than adults, although their fatality rate of 11.1 per 100,000 people is about the same as adults'. This is the third leading cause of death among 15-19 year-olds. For this age group, there were 5,174 motor-vehicle deaths in 1994, compared to 1,948 suicides.

About four times more girls than boys make suicide attempts, but boys are much more likely to die: about 11% of (reported) males' attempts were fatal, compared to 0.1% of females', a ratio of more than 100:1. This also gives a ballpark average of about 50 attempts for every fatality in this age group.

Compared to those of older people, adolescents' suicide-attempt statistics show two significant differences. First the fatality rate for boys is a hundred times that of girls, a much greater gender difference than with any other age group. The immediate reason is clear enough: most teenage girls use relatively low-lethality methods like drugs and wrist cuts, while a substantial number of boys use guns and hanging. The reasons behind these choices are not known.

There is no suicidal type, but the presence of the following factors make it more likely that a teen will have suicidal feelings:

previous suicide attempt
low self-esteem
helplessness or hopelessness
in trouble
abused or neglected
perfectionistic
gay/lesbian
a traumatic event
recent loss
abuse of alcohol and other drugs
disabled
loner - socially isolated
recent suicide of family member or friend

A case will be made that people shouldn't commit suicide and that, therefore, a manual telling them how to go about it is pernicious. This is like one of the arguments against sex education: "If they know how, they'll do it." Well, they do it anyway. Thirty thousand suicide deaths a year in the U.S. should make this clear.

That is the reality. And the methods people use all too often leave them neither dead nor fully recovered, but maimed and permanently injured: paralyzed from jumps, brain-damaged from gunshots, comatose from drugs.

One young woman took a drug overdose, expecting that her housemates would return soon. They were delayed. I would like to believe that, had she known about less lethal methods, she would be alive today.

The best way to find out whether a person is contemplating suicide is simply to ask him or her directly. Are you thinking of killing yourself? This does not put ideas into their head, but it does free them to talk about what is really going on and to reach out for help.

If the answer is yes.....

Ask them:
What method have you thought of using to kill yourself?
When do you think you'll do this?
Do you have the means (guns, pills etc)?

The more lethal the means, the more available the means and the more definite the time frame, the greater the risk.

Do not ever agree to keep someone's suicidal intentions a secret. Find out who or what they fear and attempt to agree on who can be trusted with this information, but do not wait to notify the appropriate individuals. Better to anger someone by revealing their secret, than to see them dead because you didn't tell someone who could help them.

If, based on your evaluation of the risk (lethal means + availability of means + time frame) the person is in imminent danger of attempting suicide, do not leave them alone. Stay with them until help arrives.

People who talk about suicide do it. About 80% of the time, people who kill themselves have given out definite signals or talked about it to someone.

People who are suicidal don't want to die. Most suicidal people are ambivalent about dying, they just want to stop the pain.

HOW TO PREVENT SUICIDE OF A FRIEND

Suicide prevention is not a last minute activity. All textbooks on depression say it should be reached as soon as possible. Unfortunately, suicidal people are afraid that trying to get help may bring them more pain: being told they are stupid, foolish, sinful, or manipulative; rejection; punishment; suspension from school or job; written records of their condition; or involuntary commitment. You need to do everything you can to reduce pain, rather than increase or prolong it. Constructively involving yourself on the side of life as early as possible will reduce the risk of suicide.

Give the person every opportunity to unburden his troubles and ventilate his feelings. You don't need to say much and there are no magic words. If you are concerned, your voice and manner will show it. Give him relief from being alone with his pain; let him know you are glad he turned to you. Patience, sympathy, acceptance. Avoid arguments and advice giving.

People already have the idea; suicide is constantly in the news media. If you ask a despairing person this question you are doing a good thing for them: you are showing him that you care about him, that you take him seriously, and that you are willing to let him share his pain with you. You are giving him further opportunity to discharge pent up and painful feelings. If the person is having thoughts of suicide, find out how far along his ideation has progressed.

If the means are present, try to get rid of them. Detoxify the home.

Persistence and patience may be needed to seek, engage and continue with as many options as possible. In any referral situation, let the person know you care and want to maintain contact.

It is the part of the person that is afraid of more pain that says “Don't tell anyone.” It is the part that wants to stay alive that tells you about it. Respond to that part of the person and persistently seek out a mature and compassionate person with whom you can review the situation. (You can get outside help and still protect the person from pain causing breaches of privacy.) Do not try to go it alone. Get help for the person and for yourself. Distributing the anxieties and responsibilities of suicide prevention makes it easier and much more effective.

Most people have suicidal thoughts or feelings at some point in their lives; yet less than 2% of all deaths are suicides. Nearly all suicidal people suffer from conditions that will pass with time or with the assistance of a recovery program. There are hundreds of modest steps we can take to improve our response to the suicidal and to make it easier for them to seek help. Taking these modest steps can save many lives and reduce a great deal of human suffering.

Suicidal Behavior

-Previous suicide attempts, “mini-attempts”.
-Explicit statements of suicidal ideation or feelings.
-Development of suicidal plan, acquiring the means, “rehearsal” behavior, setting a time for the attempt.
-Self-inflicted injuries, such as cuts, burns, or head banging.
-Reckless behavior. (Besides suicide, other leading causes of death among young people in New York City are homicide, accidents, drug overdose, and AIDS.) Unexplained accidents among children and the elderly.
-Making out a will or giving away favorite possessions.
-Inappropriately saying goodbye.
-Verbal behavior that is ambiguous or indirect: “I'm going away on a real long trip.”, “You won't have to worry about me anymore.”, “I want to go to sleep and never wake up.”, “I'm so depressed, I just can't go on.”, “Does God punish suicides?”, “Voices are telling me to do bad things.”, requests for euthanasia information, inappropriate joking, stories or essays on morbid themes.

A WARNING ABOUT WARNING SIGNS
The majority of the population at any one time does not have many of the warning signs and has a lower suicide risk rate. But a lower rate in a larger population is still a lot of people - and many completed suicides had only a few of the conditions listed above. In a one person to another person situation, all indications of suicidality need to be taken seriously.

Think what you like. *Shrugs* It's not like I wrote it, but I am interested in your opinions.

[Gren the cake]

thats pretty interesting. thE #s r kinda scary

i dunno ive known of a few people who committed suicide and i basically shrugged em off like 'ok thats what they want to do. want to eb psusies, fine' so i really dont givashit about em. i dont feel bad.

i feel bad for the family though

its just like it siad 'if they want to do it they will' or whatever..... i guess its how some people want to go?

we all got to go somehow..

[Sergio]

I'm afraid of death so I guess I'm lucky that way. I often wished myself dead when I was a teen, however me being afraid of death I lacked the resolve to do anything about it. I'm glad I lived on as I never would have experienced so many great things, and met so many awsome people, like Bloodrayne for example. My advice to anyone wanting to become a statistic is get over it and move on. Things always get better, even if they get worse for a while. It's sad to see the numbers that so many people are willing to throw their lives away like that.

[I_Still_Know!]

Originally posted by Gren the cake
thats pretty interesting. thE #s r kinda scary

i dunno ive known of a few people who committed suicide and i basically shrugged em off like 'ok thats what they want to do. want to eb psusies, fine' so i really dont givashit about em. i dont feel bad.

its just like it siad 'if they want to do it they will' or whatever..... i guess its how some people want to go?


I don't think people that commit suicide decide that suicide would be a better way to die than naturally... I don't think that they necessarily "want" to go that way... but instead they feel that there is no other option.

And it was probably people not giving a shit about these people in life, that contributed to them wanting to 'check out'.... for good.

[Gren the cake]

Originally posted by I_Still_Know!
I don't think people that commit suicide decide that suicide would be a better way to die than naturally... I don't think that they necessarily "want" to go that way... but instead they feel that there is no other option.

And it was probably people not giving a shit about these people in life, that contributed to them wanting to 'check out'.... for good.

there is no other option as in what? as in, 'theres nothing i can do, i should die. even tohugh itll hurt my family and friends so bad, so long as im not hurting anymore thats all that matters'

the 2 people i knew.. had families that loved them, were going to school, money, cars.. PLENTY of friends, really popular...2 guys, and why did they kill themselves? becuz they broke up with thier girlfriends. and they both had girls all over them as well.

hmmmmmmm. that is what im going off of. i give everyone a chance, but if thats what they want to do then im through with it. theres plenty of people in the world that arent constnatly feeling sorry for themselves, that arent incredibly self centered and selfish, that will take the time to actually think, than to act completely irratoinally... that i can spend time with, instead im goign to waste time on these people? not a chance in hell

[I_Still_Know!]

I said that they 'feel' there is no other option. For whatever reason you feel that you need to commit suicide, I would say it is because you can't think of the steps you need to take in order to get yourself out of that state of depression at that point in your life.

I can only speak for myself, but I know if I ever did it (and I ain't) I know that hurting my family would be the last thing that I would ever want to do. Sometimes family and friends and the relationships you have with them can not compare to the 24 hour a day, 7 day a week battle that happens in peoples heads. Telling them that this world is shit, and it's not worth being here.

I have also known a couple of people that have killed themselves (friends of friends) and I didn't dismiss them and say 'whateva' I couldn't help but think - I wonder what shit was going on in their heads.

[urgeok]

some people simply arent wired right to handle certain things life throws at them.

the one thing that seems to be constand it it is usually a suprise.
Anyone who lets you know they want to do it are usually looking for attention.
If they eventually go through with it it will be to spite the people who didnt think they'd do it.

the people who go through with it - well, you never see it coming.
hard to help people if they hide their problems.

not only that sometimes its a spur of the moment thing ..in a dark mood.


I always said that if i ever got to the point where i wanted to kill myself, i'd kill the person who made me feel that way ...
I'm wired fine, i have no chemical imbalances.
I always thing that no matter how bad it gets, i can ride it out and it'll get better.

there's a lot to see and do out there ... if your situation is bad .. radically change it .. what do you have to lose ? the risk of more suffering ? you'll get hurt ?
well, maybe not .. take the chance .. move to another country - work with people 100X worse off than yourself.

This might help some borderline depressives .. but people with the real deal ... they are sick .. mental illness isnt something you can reason with ..

[ShankS]

Originally posted by evil_blonde
Apparently it's a good idea to spread this around :confused:

SUICIDE

Throughout the world, about 2000 people kill themselves each day. That's about 80 per hour, three quarters of a million a year. In the U.S., there are more than 80 deaths from suicide every day, 30,000 every year. This is the equivalent of a fully loaded............................................ ......................


.................................................. ...............had only a few of the conditions listed above. In a one person to another person situation, all indications of suicidality need to be taken seriously.

Think what you like. *Shrugs* It's not like I wrote it, but I am interested in your opinions.


I'm gona print loads of these out, and sell them on ebay listed as 'DIY Suicide Manual' .......$35.00 a piece.

[taylorsmommy]

It's a little strange for me that this thread has come up at this time. The day before New Year's Eve, I had to take my nephew to the hospital because he was acting very strange, very irrational and delusional. He's been in the psychiatric ward since last Thursday. He's doing much better, but obviously still needs some help with things. He's one of those people that keeps everything bottled up inside and doesn't talk about things that are bothering him, which I've always told him is a bad idea. With therapy and meds he's doing a lot better, I just hope it continues and he doesn't keep things bottled up anymore.

[Hate_Breeder]

Originally posted by taylorsmommy
It's a little strange for me that this thread has come up at this time. The day before New Year's Eve, I had to take my nephew to the hospital because he was acting very strange, very irrational and delusional. He's been in the psychiatric ward since last Thursday. He's doing much better, but obviously still needs some help with things. He's one of those people that keeps everything bottled up inside and doesn't talk about things that are bothering him, which I've always told him is a bad idea. With therapy and meds he's doing a lot better, I just hope it continues and he doesn't keep things bottled up anymore.

Sounds like me.....well besides the hospital part..

[movieman64]

My Wife’s girlfriend was cheating on her husband, (we did not know about it) he found out one night. He started beating on her, drug her into the basement, and choked her to the point she passed out. Their daughter, 14 at the time was on his back hitting and screaming the whole time for him to stop. Once he did he ran upstairs, got a 10-gauge shotgun and barricaded himself in the bathroom threatening to kill himself. His Wife finally regained conciseness and her and the Daughter ran out of the house to a neighbors and called the police.

All the while James had got the phone and called his Mom and Brother telling them what had happened, how he couldn’t live with himself, or knowing about his Wife’s infidelity, or the possibility of his going to jail. The Police surrounded the house and talked to him for hours. They finally decided to break into the house, when they did, he blew his head off with the shotgun.

That has been about 3 ½ years ago, both his kids and his Wife do not seem to even care. Both of the kids are into drugs, Their Daughter is now working at a strip club as a dancer, and their Son dropped out of High School. I know that this more then likely would not have happened if James were still alive, (I’m not saying he could stop everything, but a positive Male presence in the home can help).

I was a not real good friend of James, but he was a tough Son-of-a-Bitch, and this was so far out of what I’d ever expected him to do. His family’s reaction really suprises me too. All of this transpired in a matter of 6-8 hours, and despite quite a few people’s efforts, he still killed himself, I guess my point is that all the warning signs in the world can’t prevent anything sometimes. But that’s just my opinion.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by movieman64
That has been about 3 ½ years ago, both his kids and his Wife do not seem to even care. Both of the kids are into drugs, Their Daughter is now working at a strip club as a dancer, and their Son dropped out of High School. I know that this more then likely would not have happened if James were still alive, (I’m not saying he could stop everything, but a positive Male presence in the home can help).

I was a not real good friend of James, but he was a tough Son-of-a-Bitch, and this was so far out of what I’d ever expected him to do. His family’s reaction really suprises me too. All of this transpired in a matter of 6-8 hours, and despite quite a few people’s efforts, he still killed himself, I guess my point is that all the warning signs in the world can’t prevent anything sometimes. But that’s just my opinion.


the wife might not care because she was already interested in someone else. plus he got violent with her.

i think its safe to say the kids definately have issues with it.

[ShankS]

Through early morning fog I see
visions of the things to be
the pains that are withheld for me
I realize and I can see...

[chorus]:

That suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.

I try to find a way to make
all our little joys relate
without that ever-present hate
but now I know that it's too late, and...

[Chorus]

The game of life is hard to play
I'm gonna lose it anyway
The losing card I'll someday lay
so this is all I have to say.

[Chorus]

The only way to win is cheat
And lay it down before I'm beat
and to another give my seat
for that's the only painless feat.

[Chorus]

MASH
The sword of time will pierce our skins
It doesn't hurt when it begins
But as it works its way on in
The pain grows stronger...watch it grin, but...

[Chorus]

A brave man once requested me
to answer questions that are key
'is it to be or not to be'
and I replied 'oh why ask me?'

'Cause suicide is painless
it brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.
...and you can do the same thing if you choose.

[urgeok]

thank you Louden Wainright the 3rd :)



i know i spelled that horribly.

[ShankS]

I used to have gold fish in a tank, when i was a kid. They used to eat the same food all the time.... wonder whether that drove them to near suicide?

[urgeok]

Originally posted by ShankS
I used to have gold fish in a tank, when i was a kid. They used to eat the same food all the time.... wonder whether that drove them to near suicide?


that .. and the fact that they eat where they shit.

[ShankS]

Originally posted by urgeok
that .. and the fact that they eat where they shit.

and piss, but dont they have a 3 second memory... so in effect they'd have new suicide thoughts every 3 seconds.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by ShankS
and piss, but dont they have a 3 second memory... so in effect they'd have new suicide thoughts every 3 seconds.



50 first Dates ? only - with fish !

[ShankS]

or Groundhog Day...

[urgeok]

or .....


or.......


or that one with ......




i forgot

[ShankS]

old age...... you will forget things now, just get used to it :p

[urgeok]

Originally posted by ShankS
old age...... you will forget things now, just get used to it :p


hell, if i can get used to wearing Depends, i can get used to anything !

[ShankS]

Originally posted by urgeok
hell, if i can get used to wearing Depends, i can get used to anything !

eh? how do you wear 'Depends' ? what are they

[taylorsmommy]

Originally posted by ShankS
eh? how do you wear 'Depends' ? what are they


Adult diapers

[ShankS]

Originally posted by taylorsmommy
Adult diapers

why the hell do you Yanks change the names of things all the time? ...whats wrong with calling the incontinence pants?

gets me.

[Haphazard]

Originally posted by ShankS
why the hell do you Yanks change the names of things all the time? ...whats wrong with calling the incontinence pants?

gets me.

Too hard to pronounce...doesn't quite roll off the tongue like "shit drawers" or something.

[taylorsmommy]

Originally posted by ShankS
why the hell do you Yanks change the names of things all the time? ...whats wrong with calling the incontinence pants?

gets me.

Depends is the brand name.

[Haphazard]

Wait...wasn't this a suicide topic???

Ok -- if I wasn't before -- now I am totally convinced that we are capable of ruining any topic whatsoever. No matter how serious the content.

*shakes head*

AH WELL!


http://img2.imagevenue.com/loc59/32079_jesus.jpg

[Gren the cake]

Originally posted by urgeok
some people simply arent wired right to handle certain things life throws at them.

exactly

Originally posted by urgeok
move to another country - work with people 100X worse off than yourself.

NICE. shit, whether suicideal or not i think any fuckin whiner shuold do that! but the sad thing is, a lot of people will go through things like that and learn absolutely nothing

but i did learn something. for whatever reason, these peopel were hard headed enough to go through with it. theres no way out except the pussy way. better to feel nothing than to feel pain.. like they are the only ones to have ever gone through shit in life. "oh woe is me, no one has ever felt my pain"

ill feel bad, and ill wonder for ac ouple minutes. but then thats it. we'll get no answers, theyre dead. i stop givin a shit about them and only worry about those closest to them

the first guy, was going to UCSD (TOP public school in the natoin), just bought a new car (celica). broke up with his gf. 2 weeks later, calls her in the morning. she doesnt pick up, so he leaves some sappy ass message 'ill miss u so much. i stil love you'. leaves a note of some sort near the telephone to his family. several hours later his car is found smashed into a wall, no brake marks.. so he did on purpose

2nd guy. broke up with HIS gf. also going to school, has a car, family..... mother walks into his room on mothers day to say hello, hes hanged himself

how fuckin pathetic are they? ive yet to hear of a truly SAD SAD story, most the times its some bullshit that people kill themselves over.

but ya. doesnt seem as though either of these people were thinkin? what if his car exploded or some jukn killed somebody else? what a great thing for mother to remember every mothers day (be it hallmark holiday or not). thats the very first thing i think of if im feelin like that, cuz my mom is fuckin weird like me (but more foreign) and i could imagine that look on her face. i could NEVER do that to them. shit, i coudlnt even do that to my dogs.

SO. like i said, ill feel for the family, definitely. but those 2 can burn in hell for all i care...

[DraculaInDallas]

Originally posted by evil_blonde
Apparently it's a good idea to spread this around :confused:

SUICIDE

Throughout the world, about 2000 people kill themselves each day. That's about 80 per hour, three quarters of a million a year. In the U.S., there are more than 80 deaths from suicide every day, 30,000 every year. This is the equivalent of a fully loaded jumbo jet crash every fifth day. From another perspective, you are more likely to kill yourself than be killed by someone else.

"...without knowledge of proper dosages and methods, suicide attempts are often bungled, leaving the victim worse off than before. Many intended suicides by gunshot leave the person alive but brain-damaged; drug overdoses that are not fatal may have the same effect. One eighty-three-year-old woman obtained an insufficient number of pills and lost consciousness but did not die; her daughter ended up smothering her with a plastic bag."

The number of suicide attempts is also subject to dispute. Based on a range of studies, there are probably between 10-20 attempts for every suicide, or roughly 300,000 to 600,000 attempts per year in the U.S. Yet more than half of suiciders kill themselves on their first try.

The overall 4:1 male-to-female suicide ratio in the U.S. is reversed for suicide attempts. Between 70% and 90% (studies differ) of suicide attempts are by medicine/drug overdoses, roughly 15% by wrist cuts.

If you play Russian roulette with a six-shooter, your odds of dying are one in six; if you climb Mt. Everest they're also about one in six. The former is a generally-condemned form of suicide; what, then, is the latter?

Teenagers attempt suicide roughly 10 times more frequently than adults, although their fatality rate of 11.1 per 100,000 people is about the same as adults'. This is the third leading cause of death among 15-19 year-olds. For this age group, there were 5,174 motor-vehicle deaths in 1994, compared to 1,948 suicides.

About four times more girls than boys make suicide attempts, but boys are much more likely to die: about 11% of (reported) males' attempts were fatal, compared to 0.1% of females', a ratio of more than 100:1. This also gives a ballpark average of about 50 attempts for every fatality in this age group.

Compared to those of older people, adolescents' suicide-attempt statistics show two significant differences. First the fatality rate for boys is a hundred times that of girls, a much greater gender difference than with any other age group. The immediate reason is clear enough: most teenage girls use relatively low-lethality methods like drugs and wrist cuts, while a substantial number of boys use guns and hanging. The reasons behind these choices are not known.

There is no suicidal type, but the presence of the following factors make it more likely that a teen will have suicidal feelings:

previous suicide attempt
low self-esteem
helplessness or hopelessness
in trouble
abused or neglected
perfectionistic
gay/lesbian
a traumatic event
recent loss
abuse of alcohol and other drugs
disabled
loner - socially isolated
recent suicide of family member or friend

A case will be made that people shouldn't commit suicide and that, therefore, a manual telling them how to go about it is pernicious. This is like one of the arguments against sex education: "If they know how, they'll do it." Well, they do it anyway. Thirty thousand suicide deaths a year in the U.S. should make this clear.

That is the reality. And the methods people use all too often leave them neither dead nor fully recovered, but maimed and permanently injured: paralyzed from jumps, brain-damaged from gunshots, comatose from drugs.

One young woman took a drug overdose, expecting that her housemates would return soon. They were delayed. I would like to believe that, had she known about less lethal methods, she would be alive today.

The best way to find out whether a person is contemplating suicide is simply to ask him or her directly. Are you thinking of killing yourself? This does not put ideas into their head, but it does free them to talk about what is really going on and to reach out for help.

If the answer is yes.....

Ask them:
What method have you thought of using to kill yourself?
When do you think you'll do this?
Do you have the means (guns, pills etc)?

The more lethal the means, the more available the means and the more definite the time frame, the greater the risk.

Do not ever agree to keep someone's suicidal intentions a secret. Find out who or what they fear and attempt to agree on who can be trusted with this information, but do not wait to notify the appropriate individuals. Better to anger someone by revealing their secret, than to see them dead because you didn't tell someone who could help them.

If, based on your evaluation of the risk (lethal means + availability of means + time frame) the person is in imminent danger of attempting suicide, do not leave them alone. Stay with them until help arrives.

People who talk about suicide do it. About 80% of the time, people who kill themselves have given out definite signals or talked about it to someone.

People who are suicidal don't want to die. Most suicidal people are ambivalent about dying, they just want to stop the pain.

HOW TO PREVENT SUICIDE OF A FRIEND

Suicide prevention is not a last minute activity. All textbooks on depression say it should be reached as soon as possible. Unfortunately, suicidal people are afraid that trying to get help may bring them more pain: being told they are stupid, foolish, sinful, or manipulative; rejection; punishment; suspension from school or job; written records of their condition; or involuntary commitment. You need to do everything you can to reduce pain, rather than increase or prolong it. Constructively involving yourself on the side of life as early as possible will reduce the risk of suicide.

Give the person every opportunity to unburden his troubles and ventilate his feelings. You don't need to say much and there are no magic words. If you are concerned, your voice and manner will show it. Give him relief from being alone with his pain; let him know you are glad he turned to you. Patience, sympathy, acceptance. Avoid arguments and advice giving.

People already have the idea; suicide is constantly in the news media. If you ask a despairing person this question you are doing a good thing for them: you are showing him that you care about him, that you take him seriously, and that you are willing to let him share his pain with you. You are giving him further opportunity to discharge pent up and painful feelings. If the person is having thoughts of suicide, find out how far along his ideation has progressed.

If the means are present, try to get rid of them. Detoxify the home.

Persistence and patience may be needed to seek, engage and continue with as many options as possible. In any referral situation, let the person know you care and want to maintain contact.

It is the part of the person that is afraid of more pain that says “Don't tell anyone.” It is the part that wants to stay alive that tells you about it. Respond to that part of the person and persistently seek out a mature and compassionate person with whom you can review the situation. (You can get outside help and still protect the person from pain causing breaches of privacy.) Do not try to go it alone. Get help for the person and for yourself. Distributing the anxieties and responsibilities of suicide prevention makes it easier and much more effective.

Most people have suicidal thoughts or feelings at some point in their lives; yet less than 2% of all deaths are suicides. Nearly all suicidal people suffer from conditions that will pass with time or with the assistance of a recovery program. There are hundreds of modest steps we can take to improve our response to the suicidal and to make it easier for them to seek help. Taking these modest steps can save many lives and reduce a great deal of human suffering.

Suicidal Behavior

-Previous suicide attempts, “mini-attempts”.
-Explicit statements of suicidal ideation or feelings.
-Development of suicidal plan, acquiring the means, “rehearsal” behavior, setting a time for the attempt.
-Self-inflicted injuries, such as cuts, burns, or head banging.
-Reckless behavior. (Besides suicide, other leading causes of death among young people in New York City are homicide, accidents, drug overdose, and AIDS.) Unexplained accidents among children and the elderly.
-Making out a will or giving away favorite possessions.
-Inappropriately saying goodbye.
-Verbal behavior that is ambiguous or indirect: “I'm going away on a real long trip.”, “You won't have to worry about me anymore.”, “I want to go to sleep and never wake up.”, “I'm so depressed, I just can't go on.”, “Does God punish suicides?”, “Voices are telling me to do bad things.”, requests for euthanasia information, inappropriate joking, stories or essays on morbid themes.

A WARNING ABOUT WARNING SIGNS
The majority of the population at any one time does not have many of the warning signs and has a lower suicide risk rate. But a lower rate in a larger population is still a lot of people - and many completed suicides had only a few of the conditions listed above. In a one person to another person situation, all indications of suicidality need to be taken seriously.

Think what you like. *Shrugs* It's not like I wrote it, but I am interested in your opinions.

My opinion was this post was so long I forgot what I read 33 paragraphs ago. This could qualify as a short story!!!

[DraculaInDallas]

Originally posted by ShankS
why the hell do you Yanks change the names of things all the time? ...whats wrong with calling the incontinence pants?

gets me.

LMAO :D

[LilMissScareAll]

I think about suicide alot...but I don't think I could actually do it. :o

[urgeok]

when you're 90 and dying of incurable cancer .. then think about it ...

when you are a kid with a lifetime of experiences and chances to change the situation you are in now ahead of you.. thinking about it is a waste of energy.

try thinking about what it would take for you not to bother thinking about it anymore.

[I_Still_Know!]

Originally posted by urgeok
when you're 90 and dying of incurable cancer .. then think about it ...

when you are a kid with a lifetime of experiences and chances to change the situation you are in now ahead of you.. thinking about it is a waste of energy.

try thinking about what it would take for you not to bother thinking about it anymore.

Yeah that is true, but sometimes stuff happens and you do start thinking about it.

You have probably heard this before, but things do get better the older you get. You know yourself better, you know the kind of people you want to have for friends and only give your time to those good people, you discover a bigger world other than high school etc.

[Haphazard]

Originally posted by I_Still_Know!
You have probably heard this before, but things do get better the older you get.

Oh, I have heard it before...I'm just impatiently waiting to see some damn results!

:D

[allmykids]

I felt alot like doing this when i was younger. infact i tryed but as usall I couldn't even do that right!! now i still get badly depressed but killing myself is no longer an option. just wishing the shit would stop!! You feel like just one more thing is gonna shove you over the edge. I am having a hard time right now. I cryed most of the night. I want things to be better but it all seems to big.

[newb]

When you look at whats going on in the world now [ tsunami's, Iraq ] our little problems seem trivial. Sometimes you have to stand back and look at the BIG picture. Thing always seem to work themselves out.

The thought of suicide has never crossed my mind. Life is to precious and to short as it is.

[allmykids]

Originally posted by newb
When you look at whats going on in the world now [ tsunami's, Iraq ] our little problems seem trivial. Sometimes you have to stand back and look at the BIG picture. Thing always seem to work themselves out.

The thought of suicide has never crossed my mind. Life is to precious and to short as it is.

I feel like i am two people half of me wants my life to stop and the other half would shit if it did!! So you see I AM TRAPPED!! No way out!!

[urgeok]

i always figured no matter how much shit got thown at me i could handle it .. either weather it or bide my time until i could change it.
So far i was right ..

i went through a shitty loveless childhood,
being so broke i lived off of change i found (on peoples desks) on the nightshift of my shitty job - for 2 years ..
I weathered bosses that gave me ulcers, bad relationships i stck with, and a failed marriage that was called off while we were adopting a child from China.

i'm not going to mention the trivial things like a car being totalled 3 days after replacing a blown engine, failed furnaces or any other major financial setbacks that seem like they are going to kill you at the time
Shit happens as long as you are alive ... sometimes the balance is on the bad side .. the trick is to stay alive long enough to see the balance swing your way.
sometimes it just happens, sometimes the responsibility is on you to be strong enough to do something about it.

that being said ... if the problem is chemical/hormonal, etc ... its pretty hard for the rest of us to identify with it ...nothing i said above will apply.
Medication is probably the only answer.

[newb]

Originally posted by urgeok


that being said ... if the problem is chemical/hormonal, etc ... its pretty hard for the rest of us to identify with it ...nothing i said above will apply.
Medication is probably the only answer.

I agree 100%.


Medication....and coming on this forum to vent , laugh, or just bullshit with people with common interest.






and beer

[allmykids]

Originally posted by urgeok
i always figured no matter how much shit got thown at me i could handle it .. either weather it or bide my time until i could change it.
So far i was right ..

i went through a shitty loveless childhood,
being so broke i lived off of change i found (on peoples desks) on the nightshift of my shitty job - for 2 years ..
I weathered bosses that gave me ulcers, bad relationships i stck with, and a failed marriage that was called off while we were adopting a child from China.

i'm not going to mention the trivial things like a car being totalled 3 days after replacing a blown engine, failed furnaces or any other major financial setbacks that seem like they are going to kill you at the time
Shit happens as long as you are alive ... sometimes the balance is on the bad side .. the trick is to stay alive long enough to see the balance swing your way.
sometimes it just happens, sometimes the responsibility is on you to be strong enough to do something about it.

that being said ... if the problem is chemical/hormonal, etc ... its pretty hard for the rest of us to identify with it ...nothing i said above will apply.
Medication is probably the only answer.

I have Bi-polor and it would take a long time to tell you all the shit i have gone through. I am going to the doctor on monday to get back on my meds. I know this will help some but I guess I need to get back into counsling too. I was doing very well for a long time but I ran out of meds quit counsling I figured shit i had counsling for 7 years. I don't need it anymore. But i guess i do. well thanks for listening. belive it or not you have helped!! and for that I thank you!!

[urgeok]

Originally posted by allmykids
I have Bi-polor and it would take a long time to tell you all the shit i have gone through. I am going to the doctor on monday to get back on my meds. I know this will help some but I guess I need to get back into counsling too. I was doing very well for a long time but I ran out of meds quit counsling I figured shit i had counsling for 7 years. I don't need it anymore. But i guess i do. well thanks for listening. belive it or not you have helped!! and for that I thank you!!

well, if we helped then this forum is worth something after all.

I think the meds and councelling may be a life long commitment ..
hopefully you'll get government assistance for it ...

[MichaelMyers]

I am for physician assisted suicide. If someone wishes to die, they should be able to do so.

[urgeok]

under certain circumstances sure .. incurable painful illnesses...

but for depression ? thats letting a drunk make up his mind to drive or not.

If you can help people have a good life through medication, etc ..
then they will be in a better frame of mind to determine if they really want to live or not ...

[evil_blonde]

It's great to see we can have a mostly civilised discussion here.

:)

[Gren the cake]

i think one of the issues, is that with some people they will make up their mind and will not change it for any reason

its almost like theyw ill set themselves up and allow no room for movemet

ex. my friend on a whim got married to her bf (navy was going to be shped to japan, needed to be married to go with him). ok they got an aprtment together but guess what, no car. so she would take a taxi to school. finally got a car and what does he do? "this car idsnt safe so i dont want u driving it" so he'd tkae both sets of keys with him tow ork

so the VERY NEXT DAY withou even tlaking to anyone hardly, she just calls the schools and cancels all of her classes. wouldnt even give hreself any way to move

same with suicide, peope will get it stuck in their heads fo deeply that theres NOTHING left for them, u cant even chang their mind that perhaps hey, ur not the only one, and there are peopel going through werse shit than u

stuborn.. hardhednessess...

[I_Still_Know!]

Originally posted by Gren the cake

same with suicide, peope will get it stuck in their heads fo deeply that theres NOTHING left for them, u cant even chang their mind that perhaps hey, ur not the only one, and there are peopel going through werse shit than u

stuborn.. hardhednessess...

You tell people that are depressed\suicidal to just change their minds, that there are people worse off could infact make the situation worse.

If you want out of this world, if you are depressed, it could very well be that you can't deal with the pain of, not only your own life, but others around you. Some people feel ALL things deeply. You don't seem like one of those people. Your a lucky one!

[Gren the cake]

Originally posted by I_Still_Know!
You tell people that are depressed\suicidal to just change their minds, that there are people worse off could infact make the situation worse.

If you want out of this world, if you are depressed, it could very well be that you can't deal with the pain of, not only your own life, but others around you. Some people feel ALL things deeply. You don't seem like one of those people. Your a lucky one!

not necessarily to change their mind, hust to realize that out of the billions of people in th world now, and the billions before us and after us, that there HAS to be some people to experience the same, if not worse, than what u r experiencing now

yes the world is full of pain but just like that it is full of good too. u need the both, u cant have life withou death.

thats the problem really, depressed people focusing too much on the one. too much on the past, on the bad. when u hafto look at the WHOLE picture, yesterday, today, tomorrow, the good, bad, ugly.. etc..

i feel things deeply sure, im passionate aobut shit. but about all kinds of stuff. just like im passionate about certain problems in the world, im passionate about loves that i have for this world. i guess its just about being balanced. perhaps depressed people r too leaned one way..... just their viewpoint, hard to change.

[Haphazard]

Originally posted by I_Still_Know!
You tell people that are depressed\suicidal to just change their minds, that there are people worse off could infact make the situation worse.

If you want out of this world, if you are depressed, it could very well be that you can't deal with the pain of, not only your own life, but others around you. Some people feel ALL things deeply. You don't seem like one of those people. Your a lucky one!

I agree with this.

I used to be a very upbeat, positive person when I was younger. THEN the world fucks you up the ass, and I have become increasingly darker/depressed and more pessimistic over the years. However, to try and get out of these moods -- for me -- is damn near impossible. Every time I turn around (as if I am not at my own wits end) I have friends or family who are experiencing the same exact setbacks and my heart goes out to them...but at the same time, it is just confirming to me that life sucks and there is no way around it.

This is the way I feel, and I certainly didn't make me feel that way.

If it's not something within me...it doesn't really matter, because I am so affected by the people around me.

[I_Still_Know!]

Originally posted by Gren the cake
perhaps depressed people r too leaned one way..... just their viewpoint, hard to change.

Exactly! And like Urg said that can be due to a chemical imbalance, so they are not really going to realise the good in their life if your brain is telling you that everything is bad\wrong.

[Gren the cake]

yeh, i would sya a bulk of depressed people can fix on their own but there certainly ARE those cases whre they are just so warped.......

heres an example. all my cop classes are taught by cops, many retired but some are working. these are some of the goofiest guys ive ever met, always laughin, crackin jokes. very caring about all of us, wanting to talk to us, giving us the low down on everything etc etc

now think about it. all the crap they see, murder, rape, crimes upon children etc etc.... but do they go off and kill themselves? get stuck in a rut, get depressed and never want to go out? think 'life is such a shithole'

sure. there will be exemptions but for the most part, no. why? becuz this isnt heaven, this is real. there is always going to be both sides, the good and the bad. take 1 shithead, kills an innocent child. it sucks, but theres mor important things to do than bitkch and complain. u go out there, talk to people, find ou who did it. and during all this, people will come out with information, support, love... theres both sides to EVERYTHING. u just hafto look at things from all ways

just like th tsunami. yeh it sucks, 150,000+ lost, but thats the way the world works. before humans were here, tsunamis happene and their gonna continue. itsa part of life, but u move on, u do all u can, u learn from it, and importantly, CHERISH all you have, all that is around you (namely, each other)

[Haphazard]

Originally posted by I_Still_Know!
Exactly! And like Urg said that can be due to a chemical imbalance, so they are not really going to realise the good in their life if your brain is telling you that everything is bad\wrong.

It's hard to realize the good in your life (I mean REALLY sit down and realize it) until there is some kind of tragedy like 9-11. But even then, we all go back to being self-centered, brooding bastards after a while...lol.

[Gren the cake]

Originally posted by Haphazard
It's hard to realize the good in your life (I mean REALLY sit down and realize it) until there is some kind of tragedy like 9-11. But even then, we all go back to being self-centered, brooding bastards after a while...lol.

exactly!!! just the way things work.. like how people all of a sudden turn to god when shit happens

then when shit happens again, they goa way from god!! back back forth and forth..

[Haphazard]

Originally posted by Gren the cake
exactly!!! just the way things work.. like how people all of a sudden turn to god when shit happens

then when shit happens again, they goa way from god!! back back forth and forth..

Very true.

[I_Still_Know!]

I think society sets us up to concentrate on the bad. Take the news. You will have around 25 minutes of deaths that happened, how many car accidents there were, who got raped etc. Then at the end (if you are lucky) they may have a 3 minute story on something good\positive.

[Haphazard]

Originally posted by I_Still_Know!
I think society sets us up to concentrate on the bad. Take the news. You will have around 25 minutes of deaths that happened, how many car accidents there were, who got raped etc. Then at the end (if you are lucky) they may have a 3 minute story on something good\positive.

I have never watched, and do not watch the news. Some people think I am being shallow, or I don't care about my world, etc.

FUCK 'EM!

If it means missing out on an hour worth of doom and gloom, then yes...I am a shallow, selfish mother fucker!

Doom and gloom in entertainment is one thing. Real life sucks. :(

[wufong]

Originally posted by evil_blonde

If you play Russian roulette with a six-shooter, your odds of dying are one in six;
i hear the irish play roulette with automatics..lol

[I_Still_Know!]

Originally posted by Haphazard
I have never watched, and do not watch the news. Some people think I am being shallow, or I don't care about my world, etc.

FUCK 'EM!

If it means missing out on an hour worth of doom and gloom, then yes...I am a shallow, selfich mother fucker!

Doom and gloom in entertainment is one thing. Real life sucks. :(

We actually sound very similar! I am exactly the same with the news... don't watch it.

I didn't even know about the Tsunami until I went to work the next day and someone else told me.

If it is important enough I will find out about it eventually.

[Haphazard]

Originally posted by I_Still_Know!
We actually sound very similar! I am exactly the same with the news... don't watch it.

I didn't even know about the Tsunami until I went to work the next day and someone else told me.

If it is important enough I will find out about it eventually.

That's EXACTLY my attitude.

And because of that...I always get caught in those stupid awkward moments when someone says, "Did you hear about such and such?" And then they act all surprised when I say no.

I'm like you. If it's all that fucking newsworthy, someone who needs to be in the know constantly will fill me in.

I also rely on everyone else to give me the time too...cause I have never worn watches. :D

Everybody serves a purpose in life...lol.

[Gren the cake]

yep. its very interesting when j. lo get married again but leonardo dicaprio going to Sri lanka about the tsunamis?

well not the greatest example but hey dirt on people is much more interesting than the ogod stuff

same about the news. i mean big things like 9/11 yeh yeh but sometimes they just go too far. the way things r u'd thnk violence is on the rise when really its just the opposite.

just boiils down to... whats more intresting? someone doin good or someone fuckin up royally?

[I_Still_Know!]

Originally posted by Haphazard

I also rely on everyone else to give me the time too...cause I have never worn watches. :D

Everybody serves a purpose in life...lol.

LOL!! Yes sir, they do. :D

[Haphazard]

Originally posted by Gren the cake
yep. its very interesting when j. lo get married again but leonardo dicaprio going to Sri lanka about the tsunamis?

well not the greatest example but hey dirt on people is much more interesting than the ogod stuff

same about the news. i mean big things like 9/11 yeh yeh but sometimes they just go too far. the way things r u'd thnk violence is on the rise when really its just the opposite.

just boiils down to... whats more intresting? someone doin good or someone fuckin up royally?

Which proves my point that humans -- by nature -- love controversy and mishaps. So, that's why it always bothers me when people get their asses up in the air regarding violence or sex in entertainment.

That's what we the people want!!!!

Nobody would watch the news if the programs consisted of good news.

[Gren the cake]

could it be because... controvery and mishaps arent all that normal?

think about it, as a whole look at it yes, lots of bad shit goes on.

but if we were all to look at our lives singularly, how many of us could hon estly say, wow, my life is complete and utter shit (and not just becuz they have no friends and dotn go anywhere. i mean like losing ur loved ones tragically, diseases, ravaged by wild monkey mistresses etc etc.)

how many school shootings have their been? how many days were spent bein shot up at school... compared to everyday at school where NOTHING happened? most people will go through those 4 years (.... 5 or 6 for some i guess ;)) and see NOTHING like that.

again, its something different, making it interesting. problem is, people will choose only to see that. you show them 1 day where someone has an accident at disneyland and dies, and the other 364 days of that year where no one died and everyone had fun, will mean nothing to them.

[Arioch]

Which proves my point that humans -- by nature -- love controversy and mishaps. So, that's why it always bothers me when people get their asses up in the air regarding violence or sex in entertainment.

That's what we the people want!!!!

Nobody would watch the news if the programs consisted of good news.

Agreed....its human nature...

[Haphazard]

Originally posted by Gren the cake
could it be because... controvery and mishaps arent all that normal?

think about it, as a whole look at it yes, lots of bad shit goes on.

but if we were all to look at our lives singularly, how many of us could hon estly say, wow, my life is complete and utter shit (and not just becuz they have no friends and dotn go anywhere. i mean like losing ur loved ones tragically, diseases, ravaged by wild monkey mistresses etc etc.)

how many school shootings have their been? how many days were spent bein shot up at school... compared to everyday at school where NOTHING happened? most people will go through those 4 years (.... 5 or 6 for some i guess ;)) and see NOTHING like that.

again, its something different, making it interesting. problem is, people will choose only to see that. you show them 1 day where someone has an accident at disneyland and dies, and the other 364 days of that year where no one died and everyone had fun, will mean nothing to them.

Yes. I think all that you said plays a big part in it. But it doesn't have to be just bad or controversial news regarding this either. There are more than enough people in the world who live a boring existence, and tend to live vicariously through T.V. stars, movie chracters, etc. Also, from first-hand experience, they also live through the lives of real-life friends, co-workers, etc.

[Gren the cake]

lol. yep. i had some friends back in HS and seriously everything that happened with everyone else they knew about and could go on and on for hours. the same with that 'charmed' show, 'dawsons creek' omg they could go on and on

i guess i can see, the most fun is to be able to get along with people and u can certainly relate to characters. a lot of them are written off of the writers friends (matt groening based a lot of the simpsons off of friends)

people just tend to miss out on all the little things at life. i mean all the things that happen throughou the day, the week, yet its britney spears 55 hour marriage thats what gets everyone talkin!

[Arioch]

people just tend to miss out on all the little things at life. i mean all the things that happen throughou the day, the week, yet its britney spears 55 hour marriage thats what gets everyone talkin

Agreed....like her shallow pool of existance is any more substancial or valid than anyone elses or anyone who really works for their living:rolleyes:

There are so many better untold stories in the lives of our fellow humans around us than the ones portrayed on tv to entertain us....

I LOATHE this industry....

[Gren the cake]

:) i guess in a way it brings us together as in, if i were to talk about the party last week, or tonight, only a handful would be able to relate

whereas pretty much everyone can talk about spears idiocy, brings us together at laughing at her :)

nice too though becuz people will IDOLIZE superstars.. peopel they hardly know and have never met!! people who are susceptible to the same BS that we do. hell they will do much worse sometimes!

[evil_blonde]

Originally posted by Gren the cake
:) i guess in a way it brings us together as in, if i were to talk about the party last week, or tonight, only a handful would be able to relate

whereas pretty much everyone can talk about spears idiocy, brings us together at laughing at her :)

nice too though becuz people will IDOLIZE superstars.. peopel they hardly know and have never met!! people who are susceptible to the same BS that we do. hell they will do much worse sometimes!

I hate it when people have infactuations with celebrities. It's just so fucking stupid!

[Gren the cake]

o ya. i mean i guess yeh sure its interesting sometimes but seriously people like make it their life to nkow whats going on with every celebrity.. subscribing to all the magazines and such

[EXTR3MIST]

Reading this thread, I killed myself yesterday.

Greetings from beyond the grave!

[LilMissScareAll]

Originally posted by urgeok
when you're 90 and dying of incurable cancer .. then think about it ...

when you are a kid with a lifetime of experiences and chances to change the situation you are in now ahead of you.. thinking about it is a waste of energy.

try thinking about what it would take for you not to bother thinking about it anymore.

I don't think I'll live to be 90. I probably will get cancer someday though...that's one of my biggest fears...getting cancer. For all I know, I may have it right now.
And I know things could be worse...I know my life could be alot worse...and I'm thankful that it isn't. But still that doesn't change the way I feel. I can't change my situation. It would take alot of money to change my situation and I'm not a rich person, unfortunately.

[The STE]

http://teenforums.studentcenter.org/viewtopic.php?t=111501

[Gren the cake]

very interesting there. im on page 2. im guessing passion is you

[The STE]

stimmt das
(true that)

[Gren the cake]

i love how everyone was arguing with you, it was great.

i was tempted to come in and say something along the lines of 'hes right to say this shit. because people who commit suicide are the most self centered, selfish people on the face of the earth'

but i got lazy. have to register and such...

du kannst auch 'na ja,' 'na klar,' 'ob ja,' und 'das stimmt!' sagen..... es gibt viel zu sagen.

[harmful]

this is a horror website not how to deal with suicide attempts or learn about them. all that is at places like checkyourself.com
lets talk about movies n books

[Gren the cake]

hmmmmmmmmm

[Marroe]

Originally posted by harmful
this is a horror website not how to deal with suicide attempts or learn about them. all that is at places like checkyourself.com
lets talk about movies n books Well, this is the general forum hun. Did you see the thing that said "talk about anything here"? perhaps you would enjoy your stay more in the modern horror, classic horror, upcoming horror, books ect. forums.

[last bad move]

Originally posted by Marroe
Well, this is the general forum hun. Did you see the thing that said "talk about anything here"? perhaps you would enjoy your stay more in the modern horror, classic horror, upcoming horror, books ect. forums. i aploigize she my sister and she is a idiot she does stuff like that to piss people off so just pay no mind and keep going on with the originial topic of conversation

[The STE]

Originally posted by harmful
this is a horror website not how to deal with suicide attempts or learn about them. all that is at places like checkyourself.com
lets talk about movies n books

Fuck You

[Marroe]

Originally posted by last bad move
i aploigize she my sister and she is a idiot she does stuff like that to piss people off so just pay no mind and keep going on with the originial topic of conversation Is she really your sister?



Anyway, I didn't mean to come off as a smartass for once:rolleyes: if I did. Reading over my quote in your post I realized I may have sounded like one.

I'm just here to state the facts:D

[last bad move]

Originally posted by Marroe
Is she really your sister?



Anyway, I didn't mean to come off as a smartass for once:rolleyes: if I did. Reading over my quote in your post I realized I may have sounded like one.

I'm just here to state the facts:D yes she is my sister

and no i think you handled it the same way i would have if it wasnt my sister but sence i know her and know the only reason she made a name on this site was to annoy me i dont even bother