Dimebag Darrell is Dead

[ZombieAss]

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- At least five people died and two others were wounded after a shooting at a Columbus nightclub on Wednesday night, NBC 4 reported.

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The shooting took place shortly after 10 p.m. at Alrosa Villa, located at 5055 Sinclair Road.

Two members of the heavy metal band Damageplan were reportedly shot and killed, including Dimebag Darrell, formerly with the band Pantera, NBC 4's David Wayne reported. The other band member's name was not released. The alleged gunman also died at the scene, Wayne reported.

Shortly after the band began playing its first song, a man reportedly ran onto the stage and began shooting, according to a witness who identified himself as Sean. Some members of the audience reportedly thought the man running onto the stage with a gun was part of the band's act, NBC 4's Erin Tate reported.

Witnesses said that several shots were fired at the band. Witnesses said that a bouncer at the club tackled the alleged gunman before that person was shot and killed. It was unclear as to whom shot the alleged gunman.

NBC 4 reported that of the surviving victims, one person was in critical condition while the other was in fair condition. Several others were treated at the scene, suffering from various injuries.

Alrosa Villa is a popular north Columbus nightspot for young adults, featuring rock and heavy metal bands, NBC 4 reported.

According to the band's Web site, Damageplan was touring nationally. It performed in Buffalo, N.Y., on Tuesday night and had a concert scheduled in Flint, Mich., on Thursday.

Damageplan featured former Pantera artists Dimebag Darrell and Vinnie Paul. The pair were joined by vocalist Patrick Lachman and bassist Bobzilla, according to their Web site.

[wufong]

wow man thats sooooooooo sad:rolleyes:

[Ritualistic]

RIP Dimebag... this is really messed up.. this is going to hit metal heads really hard... \m/ \m/

[DraculaInDallas]

true crime forum n00b....:rolleyes:

[Ritualistic]

Nah I think this post should definately be on the general area..

[MisterSadistro]

Fuck him. He always talked about "respect" in his tunes. Maybe he did not give some to the right people. We all go some time. Let this be a lesson to everyone - you might not gain respect unless you can give it to your peers. Don't be so fuckin' hardcore about it. You'll live longer.
CK

[ZombieAss]

Originally posted by MisterSadistro
Let this be a lesson to everyone - you might not gain respect unless you can give it to your peers. Don't be so fuckin' hardcore about it. You'll live longer.

Sounds about right to me.

[FairyKorpes]

Originally posted by MisterSadistro
Fuck him. He always talked about "respect" in his tunes. Maybe he did not give some to the right people. We all go some time. Let this be a lesson to everyone - you might not gain respect unless you can give it to your peers. Don't be so fuckin' hardcore about it. You'll live longer.
CK

HA! Like people need a reason to go and shoot other people.

[Rotting Eye]

Originally posted by FairyKorpes
HA! Like people need a reason to go and shoot other people.

exactly!!

the gun made them do it

[Death By Jell-O]

I can't believe it! I just woke up at 4:30 am to the news! This is umbelieveable!:mad:

[voltron]

Good god, this is horrible.:( how can some of you be so insensitive about this?He was a great guitarist.Note he was the guitarist for Pantera, not the vocalist who wrote the lyrics.:rolleyes:

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by voltron
Good god, this is horrible.:( how can some of you be so insensitive about this?He was a great guitarist.Note he was the guitarist for Pantera, not the vocalist who wrote the lyrics.:rolleyes: For REAL....Damn...

[meetthecreeper]

Originally posted by MisterSadistro
Fuck him. He always talked about "respect" in his tunes. Maybe he did not give some to the right people. We all go some time. Let this be a lesson to everyone - you might not gain respect unless you can give it to your peers. Don't be so fuckin' hardcore about it. You'll live longer.
CK


Remember that when somebody smokes your sorry ass.

[urgeok]

the guy was probably - obviously - a freaking nutcase.

they will shoot anyone for their own addled brain reasons.
I highly doubt it had anything to do with respect.

same old story .. too many guns.

[meetthecreeper]

Originally posted by urgeok
the guy was probably - obviously - a freaking nutcase.

they will shoot anyone for their own addled brain reasons.
I highly doubt it had anything to do with respect.

same old story .. too many guns.

Right, lets blame the fucking gun.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by meetthecreeper
Right, lets blame the fucking gun.


noooooooooo thats not quite what i said.
The guy was a nut .. but if he had run on stage with
a spagetti measuring cup everyone would still be alive.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by meetthecreeper
Right, lets blame the fucking gun. WHOOPS!...I knew THAT was coming...*Ducks, covers, and runs*

[FairyKorpes]

Originally posted by urgeok
the guy was probably - obviously - a freaking nutcase.

they will shoot anyone for their own addled brain reasons.
I highly doubt it had anything to do with respect.

same old story .. too many guns.

Guns don't kill people, psychotic people with guns kill people ....

What??

:p

[FairyKorpes]

I tell ya it still trips me out when i go to Wal-Mart in Detroit and see a big ass gun case, lol. Or shit loads of booze at the grocery store lol.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by urgeok
noooooooooo thats not quite what i said.
The guy was a nut .. but if he had run on stage with
a spagetti measuring cup everyone would still be alive. Yes...But...By the same token...If a SANE person had walked up on the stage with a gun (which a sane person wouldn't, in the first place), everyone would still be alive...

[FilthyCannibal]

worst news of the year so far...

[urgeok]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Yes...But...By the same token...If a SANE person had walked up on the stage with a gun (which a sane person wouldn't, in the first place), everyone would still be alive...

that has to be the worse arguement i've ever seen hahaha !

[meetthecreeper]

I am not going to get into a whole gun control debate issue, because the issue itself is a dismal failure and does nothing to supress the criminal element.

If the motherfuckers who were running the security at the damn club would have done their job, this may have not had happened.

I have seen Pantera several times, and their shows like most, security is pretty lax.

I was at the first Ozzfest, some asshole thru some M80s into our fucking mosh pit. Someone could have gotten killed.

I lived in California and did security part time for a venue in Long Beach, nobody takes anything seriously its all a big fucking joke. I lost the job for busting somebodies head for punching some kid half his fucking age.

[meetthecreeper]

Originally posted by urgeok
that has to be the worse arguement i've ever seen hahaha !

Figures Canadian. Dial 911, it always works in the horror films.:rolleyes:

[urgeok]

Originally posted by meetthecreeper
If the motherfuckers who were running the security at the damn club would have done their job, this may have not had happened.




i agree with that ..
not only did the shooter get a gun through but so did the person that shot him.

man i'm afraid to bring a camera to a show in Toronto because you'd lose it immediately to security.

[FairyKorpes]

Originally posted by meetthecreeper
Figures Canadian. Dial 911, it always works in the horror films.:rolleyes:

Figures?

You are aware that if you have a gun in your house, it's more then likely going to be used on someone who lives in the home then a intruder?

I don't like guns, but that has nothing to do with me being Canadian.

The odd Canadian does hunt.:rolleyes:

[Vodstok]

Let the Hell's Angels take care of security. The only people dying will be the people who mouth off to them.

Just ask the Stones :D

[urgeok]

Originally posted by meetthecreeper
Figures Canadian. Dial 911, it always works in the horror films.:rolleyes:


come again ?

i completely lost you on that one ..

'Figures Canadian' because we dont have the same problems up here ?

[meetthecreeper]

Right, lets not turn this into a 2nd Amendment debate, I dont feel like getting banned today.

Oh wait thats right Canada doesnt have that right.

Enough about that.

The man is dead, it hurts me, and I am pissed off about it. Somebody needs to be held responsible, aside from the trigger man.

[42ndStreetFreak]

If all you can post is rolleyes smilies crass 'da dude shud ave shown respect man' idiocy and bullshit, attention seeking, sarcasm it's best not to post at all.

Anyway, my Wife told me about this today. Shocking news.

Gun toting madness.

So strange to think that delightfully weird beard won't be seen anymore in new interviews and videos.

When we used to dance to Pantera songs and watch their videos we never thought something like this would happen, but of course crap like this does. Everyday. You just don't notice until it involves someone you recognise and know about.

A tragic day indeed. Pantera were an amazingly powerful band and for any one of them to end their days like this, so early, is terrible.

RIP Dimebag.

[bwind22]

Man, my day has sucked from the second I woke up.


I was awakened by a phone call from my dad telling me my aunt had died over night. Then I couldn't fall back to sleep, so I turn on the television and what do I see? One of my favorite guitarists got smoked on stage by some fucktard in Ohio. :mad:

Just to shed a bit of light, the person that actually killed the shooter was a cop, so that explains why he had a gun in the club. Security fucked up big time though letting some whacko through with a piece.

Sad, sad, sad... Pantera was fuckin' awesome live! (Never saw Damageplan, but I'm sure they rocked too.)

Well, my day sucks... And it's not even 11:00 in the morning here yet. Guess I'll just have to wonder what's next...

[Death By Jell-O]

Man, this just sucks......

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=2&u=/ap/20041209/ap_on_re_us/nightclub_shooting

[newb]

I'm not too familiar with Dime's work but I know I would feel pretty bad if one of my favorite musicians died. Its happened before. Its almost like losing a family member because you may identify with the music so much.

R.I.P.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by newb
I'm not too familiar with Dime's work but I know I would feel pretty bad if one of my favorite musicians died. Its happened before. Its almost like losing a family member because you may identify with the music so much.

R.I.P.

i remember feeling robbed when brandon lee died ...
knowing he was at the beginning of a certain breakthrough... and then gone ..

[Vodstok]

The A&E biography on him was absolutely heartbreaking. The NEXT FUCKING DAY, brandon was going to get married. I cant imagine how that had to have felt for his fiance.

Not to mention his mother who lost her husband and son way to early.

[urgeok]

its weird how you can feel such a sense of loss when you like one of these public figures that you've never met.

it's more than just the knowledge that their creative output is at an end .. its more personal than that ...

I suprised myself at how it effected me.

[Angelakillsluts]

I always loved Pantera, never heard of Damage Plan though. I heard the news last night, very sad. :(

Apparantly it was a crazed Pantera fan. Which is kind of spooky because it was on the same day Lennon was shot and killed by a crazed fan...

[MisterSadistro]

Remember that when somebody smokes your sorry ass.
I don't give anyone reason to. Too many people want respect, but don't give any themselves. It's a sad reality, but I always show as much respect to some homeless guy as I would the Pope. It's called common courtesy. Apparently the 'golden rule' has been forgotten by a lot of the younger generation. Anyhooo...just read about it on the news. Bad situation. It makes you wonder about security at the venues you go to for shows. Worst part of this tragedy will be the lawyers who profit off of it when the lawsuits roll around.
I just read:
The shootings came exactly 24 years after John Lennon was shot to death outside his New York apartment building by a deranged fan.
Yeah. What an 'X-Files' concept there :rolleyes:
CK

[ShankS]

never realy knew much about the guy untill now... not into metal....but R.I.P all the same.

but it's clear as day, that the security in some of these venues is shite. Dont they search or have detectors to stop loonies taking guns into places like this??? The nutter obviously had an intention to maim or kill the guy and take down others aswell. I would have thought, when letting the guy in he'd have looked a bit suspicious, trying to conceal a gun.....unless this loonie was good at acting 'normal' infront of the public, just waiting to carry out his business.

[Death By Jell-O]

It must have been a fairly small venue....Security at small clubs is lax....But I have been to numerous concerts where I've had to turn my pockets inside out, get a pat-down and run over with the wand but they were usually big shows......A couple times a buddy of mine had to walk clear back across the parking lot because he forgot he had a small (2") swiss army knife on his keyring.......I'm sure we'll be seeing a lot more of this treatment at future concerts....

[MisterSadistro]

It's been a bad year for nightclubs. This, the fire in Rhode Island at the Great White concert and the C2 stampede in Chicago. A lot of senseless deaths. There's going to be a lot of changes after these.
CK

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by ShankS
never realy knew much about the guy untill now... not into metal....but R.I.P all the same.

but it's clear as day, that the security in some of these venues is shite. Dont they search or have detectors to stop loonies taking guns into places like this??? The nutter obviously had an intention to maim or kill the guy and take down others aswell. I would have thought, when letting the guy in he'd have looked a bit suspicious, trying to conceal a gun.....unless this loonie was good at acting 'normal' infront of the public, just waiting to carry out his business. The really funny thing is that epople will be saying "why wasnt he checked before hand? if they had searched him and found the gun, those people wouldnt have died."

Many of these same people would say "Why to i have to wait so fuckign long to get on an airplane. Im not a terrorist. what a pain in the ass, they dont have the right to search me...."

[newb]

Not to split hairs , but The Station fire was in February of 2003. I live in R.I. and had gone to that nightclub many,many times. There has already been lots of changes concerning fire codes and such. Some clubs even had to close down because of the cost to keep their buildings up to the new codes.

[ShankS]

Originally posted by Vodstok
The really funny thing is that epople will be saying "why wasnt he checked before hand? if they had searched him and found the gun, those people wouldnt have died."

Many of these same people would say "Why to i have to wait so fuckign long to get on an airplane. Im not a terrorist. what a pain in the ass, they dont have the right to search me...."

your right.... these days the tragic events happen, then they decide to carry out the preventitive measures afterwards.

[MisterSadistro]

Now that I think about it, the C2 club stampede must've been 2003 as well (it happened a week before R.I.).
CK

[Death By Jell-O]

The motto in America should be, Hindsite's always 20/20......

[MichaelMyers]

From what I read, it seems the person that shot him may have been upset over Pantera breaking up and was blaming Darrell for it. The band that was performing had two of Pantera's members but was called Damageplan. Unbelievable. He was one of the best metal guitarists ever.

[PurplePoison89]

R.I.P dimebag never heard much about him til he died but R.I.P anyway

[Sedated_replica]

Originally posted by ZombieAss

according to a witness who identified himself as Sean. Some members of the audience reportedly thought the man running onto the stage with a gun was part of the band's act


Why when bad things happen people always think its apart of a act.

[Hate_Breeder]

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Fucked Up.....beyond belief

[Sedated_replica]

Originally posted by meetthecreeper
Right, lets blame the fucking gun.

I mean, Guns should be alittle to blame for this. No, not completely. But When Crazy douche bags are able to get ahold of a gun. Shit like this happens.

Fuck the NRA and fuck the gun laws.

[DraculaInDallas]

Originally posted by FilthyCannibal
worst news of the year so far...

wtf :confused: try watching a news channel or reading a newspaper once in awhile........

[MisterSadistro]

I came off sounding more crass than I should've on this post before knowing all the facts. I am not a great fan of Pantera or whatever his new band's name is, but he sure as hell never asked to be gunned down on stage in any life, shape or form.
I didn't mean any disrespect to him or his surviving members in my original post. I thought he got into it with some douchebag about whatever and might've had it coming to him. After hearing everyone and their mom basically say he was the coolest guy you would ever meet as a "rock star", I now regret saying anything about the guy last night in my Jagermeister induced post.
Aftedr getting into a mix with some dude myself tonight, I can see how easily a misunderstanding can be the end of your world (mind you I'm the eaSIEST m.f. you will likely meet in your life).
Sorry to all the Dime friends and famly for sounding like a dick.
CK

[FilthyCannibal]

I do read newspapers, and watch the news. I meant to me it's the worst news of the year so far. He was one of the last great guitar players along with Zakk Wylde. Nobody can touch those two. Most metal bands anymore don't play solos. To me it is a huge tragedy and to me it's the worst news of the year so far....

[DraculaInDallas]

Originally posted by FilthyCannibal
I do read newspapers, and watch the news. I meant to me it's the worst news of the year so far. He was one of the last great guitar players along with Zakk Wylde. Nobody can touch those two. Most metal bands anymore don't play solos. To me it is a huge tragedy and to me it's the worst news of the year so far....

I can respect that.... :)

[FilthyCannibal]

ok cool beans

[george]

whit life comes death. its a natural part of life.

[Sedated_replica]

Originally posted by FilthyCannibal
Most metal bands anymore don't play solos.

I don't listen to metal anymore. But Metal and solo's go together like Peanut butter and Jelly. I thought there was to many solo's in metal. They sounded all alike. But thats me.

SOLO ON YOUR FACE!

[voltron]

Originally posted by george
whit life comes death. its a natural part of life.



this was in no way natural.

[I,ZOMBIE]

was the shooter a ex/marine? i thought i heardd that on the news! why couldn't it have been the goo goo dolls or some other crappy band... poor dimebag.

[bloodrayne]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v69/BloodRayne/in_memory.jpg

[Death By Jell-O]

Damn! That's Rad! Where'd You Get That?

[DraculaInDallas]

This guy has been on the news constantly here in the Dallas area....I guess he was from Arlington, Tx.......although I've never heard of the guy it sounds like he was a big deal......at least to the HDC crowd. They showed his home in Arlington, quite scaled down for a rock star, looked like he lived in a regular neighborhood........surprised me, usually celebrities go over board with the material crap.....

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Death By Jell-O
Damn! That's Rad! Where'd You Get That? I stole it ;)

[wufong]

Originally posted by DraculaInDallas
This guy has been on the news constantly here in the Dallas area....I guess he was from Arlington, Tx.......although I've never heard of the guy it sounds like he was a big deal......at least to the HDC crowd. They showed his home in Arlington, quite scaled down for a rock star, looked like he lived in a regular neighborhood........surprised me, usually celebrities go over board with the material crap.....
i dont think he was all that popular, thats why he couldnt afford anything outlandish..but i suppose sales of his albums will go through the roof now though. i say good riddance to the hippie. fucking long haired freaks someone ougth to tel lthe mthe 80's are over man

[FairyKorpes]

Originally posted by wufong
i dont think he was all that popular, thats why he couldnt afford anything outlandish..but i suppose sales of his albums will go through the roof now though. i say good riddance to the hippie. fucking long haired freaks someone ougth to tel lthe mthe 80's are over man

The 80's will never be over!!!!;)

[voltron]

Originally posted by wufong
i dont think he was all that popular


Pantera sold over 14 million records and hes been on the cover of Guitar magazines about a million times.

[newb]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v69/BloodRayne/in_memory.jpg

Nice ribbon Blood but it looks like he has an arrow sticking out of his back. I realize its his guitar but thats the first immpression I got.

[MisterSadistro]

argh ! Most annoying now are gun nuts bantering on the AOL news boards today :
woman SAVED by a gun (aol://5863:126/mB:548812:1890)
This delusional woman keeps posting her story over and over about how her husband collects guns as an investment (huh ?) and she had one in her backpack (good place to keep an investment). Two men asked her if she wanted to have sex with them and she pulled it on them.
Long story made short, as her posts continue to the cheers of other gun nuts, her story keeps changing. Now instead of the guys asking her if she'd like to have sex with them (she's 47 mind you LOL), they had somehow become rapists and were leaving her for dead in the middle of nowhere. Apparently no one else seems to notice the not so gradual change in her story. Scary to think someone who can't even keep her "story" straight is walking around armed at this moment.
Gotta love that after every time there's some kind of gun tragedy in America, the NRA seem to be the first ones on the spot crowing about how great guns are and the event should be seen as another "isolated" incident.
Don't know which is worse: them or the right-wing Christians saying he deserved it for making "devil music" on there. They seem to be going hand in hand a lot.
CK

[Kemal]

Gotta love that after every time there's some kind of gun tragedy in America, the NRA seem to be the first ones on the spot crowing about how great guns are and the event should be seen as another "isolated" incident.

I don't remember the NRA releasing a statement on this shooting. And why should it? It should no more answer for the actions of one man who used a gun to commit a crime than members and devotees of similar music groups should have to answer for the behavior of one deranged fan. Neither group is responsible in any way for this man's crimes. And not all NRA members/politically-active gun owners are right-wing or Christian; that's a bullshit stereotype.

[Sedated_replica]

Originally posted by Kemal
I don't remember the NRA releasing a statement on this shooting. And why should it? It should no more answer for the actions of one man who used a gun to commit a crime than members and devotees of similar music groups should have to answer for the behavior of one deranged fan. Neither group is responsible in any way for this man's crimes. And not all NRA members/politically-active gun owners are right-wing or Christian; that's a bullshit stereotype.

It might be a stereotype. But its mostly true. Most members of the NRA are republican and when I say most I mean about all 98%.

If it was up to them it will still be like the wild west, where everybody gets a gun.

I guess you think that all the gun laws are fair. Look at Canada, Their crime rate is not even half of ours. Why is killing so important? (and yes thats all a Gun does)

[Kemal]

When you say "them" say "you" because I'm a member. I don't know where you get 98% from but around here at least there's a healthy number of minorities in attendance, mainly Asians(women too for that matter). Maybe a majority are Republican but there are many libertarians among NRA ranks and in rural areas it's not uncommon to see Democrat members(I'm a registered Democrat). And by the way the Wild West actually had fairly strict gun control within town limits, and less violent crime than is commonly portrayed in popular media.

Why is killing so important? (and yes thats all a Gun does)

No, all a gun does is push a piece of metal out of the barrel. You can put it through a paper bullseye, an animal or a human being. Killing is an act performed by another man, and it's that man who is morally and legally responsible for what that gun does. A gun is morally neutral. Its purpose is determined by the man who wields it. And if you want to know why I think they're so important, just do a little reading on the first people who were denied the right to own guns in the USA. I'll bet you can guess who it was. They said it was about crime prevention back then, too.

[bloodrayne]

Thank You, Kemal;)

[MisterSadistro]

The NRA guys are coming out in droves on the AOL chatboard as usual and only admit to be card carrying members after statements about how it's a "good thing" that someone killed off the "Satanic" music maker, etc. The NRA itself doesn't worry me as much as some of the politics and beliefs that so many members of it hold dear. The same people who worry about someone else having an abortion because it's not part of "God's plan" are the same people who wouldn't bat an eye over shooting someone to death. I suppose a doctor shouldn't play God with someone's life (even if it is a fetus), but some gun-toting good ole boy is allowed to. I wonder when the side note in the Ten Comandments about 'Thou Shall Not Kill' * (*unless it's by gun and you don't agree with them) was written into The Bible since my edition doesn't have that listed in it.
CK

[Sedated_replica]

Originally posted by Kemal
When you say "them" say "you" because I'm a member. I don't know where you get 98% from but around here at least there's a healthy number of minorities in attendance, mainly Asians(women too for that matter). Maybe a majority are Republican but there are many libertarians among NRA ranks and in rural areas it's not uncommon to see Democrat members(I'm a registered Democrat). And by the way the Wild West actually had fairly strict gun control within town limits, and less violent crime than is commonly portrayed in popular media.


No, all a gun does is push a piece of metal out of the barrel. You can put it through a paper bullseye, an animal or a human being. Killing is an act performed by another man, and it's that man who is morally and legally responsible for what that gun does. A gun is morally neutral. Its purpose is determined by the man who wields it. And if you want to know why I think they're so important, just do a little reading on the first people who were denied the right to own guns in the USA. I'll bet you can guess who it was. They said it was about crime prevention back then, too.

you know what your talking about, but how many innocent little boys and girls have been shot in drive by's? YES it is the person who pulls the trigger and the person DOES commit the crime. But if we had tighter restrictions on Guns it would happen a lot less. By saying "A gun is morally neutral" well a lot of the people who get access to them aren't. And they decide the Bullets fate.

I agree with Chris Rock "Bullets should cost 5,000 dollars (I think thats the number). And when someone gets shot they really deserved it. Less innocent people would die and thats all I really care about.

all a Gun is, is a device just for killing. You can shoot whatever you want with it. Its not a device for fun.
If killing animals or Tin cans is fun. You need a new hobby. thats just how I feel about Gun laws.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by Sedated_replica
you know what your talking about, but how many innocent little boys and girls have been shot in drive by's? YES it is the person who pulls the trigger and the person DOES commit the crime. But if we had tighter restrictions on Guns it would happen a lot less. By saying "A gun is morally neutral" well a lot of the people who get access to them aren't. And they decide the Bullets fate.

I agree with Chris Rock "Bullets should cost 5,000 dollars (I think thats the number). And when someone gets shot they really deserved it. Less innocent people would die and thats all I really care about.

all a Gun is, is a device just for killing. You can shoot whatever you want with it. Its not a device for fun.
If killing animals or Tin cans is fun. You need a new hobby. thats just how I feel about Gun laws.

thats how i feel about it too.
you dont see innocent bystanders getting strangled or knifed to death.

hey, a nuclear bomb isnt responsible for killing either ..
does that mean everyone should be able to get a license for one ?